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Big debate going on here----did man land and walk on the moon? serious question.
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prepare for the normal 240 haterd, but no, man did not land on the moon.
I would cite radiation, monster anomalies in the videos, doctored pics, or NASA's inability and inwillingness to discuss it.
The moon landing was faked in order to secure world financial resources. The US and USSR were the two world superpowers. The conglomerate of financial institutions needed to choose where to put their money. The US won the space race by landing on the moon 5 months before JFK's deadline. The banks moved money to the US and the dollar soared. Russia collapsed two decades later after many centuries of greatness. It was faked to win lenders and investors into US technology.
Toxic is an expert on this. I've spent a few hours studying the landing, but more following the underlying financial reasons. There's a damn good reason man will never attempt a moon landing again, ever. Or a mars landing. Man cannot survive radiation in space 200 m above the planet. Ask all the animals they sent who died. Have ya seen the thin aluminum suits our astronauts wore? And they're all 80 in great health today.
Here are some cute pics:
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Note the crosshairs. Have you ever seen objects in pictures actually scoot IN FRONT of film crosshairs? That's a little bit impossible.
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More motives if anyone would like:
Distraction - The U.S. government benefited from a popular distraction to take attention away from the Vietnam war. Lunar activities did abruptly stop, with planned missions cancelled, around the same time that the US ceased its involvement in the Vietnam War.
Cold War Prestige - The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race with the USSR. Going to the Moon, if it was possible, would have been risky and expensive. It would have been much easier to fake the landing, thereby ensuring success.
Money - NASA raised approximately 30 billion dollars pretending to go to the moon. This could have been used to pay off a large number of people, providing significant motivation for complicity. In variations of this theory, the space industry is characterized as a political economy, much like the military industrial complex, creating fertile ground for its own survival.
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Why don't the Russians come out and say it's fake?
The radiation myth can be debunked by mentioned the current space stations.
Man has walked on the moon.
240-itus spreading like wildfire!
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Nordic-
we shipped Russia a great deal of humanitarian aid that summer inexplicably. Many see this as a payoff. As far as the space stations, they are pretty close to earth. You do know that the moon is 29 times the diameter of the earth, away from us.
I have a Q for you, nordic:
When the control room asked a question to the Astronauts the replies were instant with no delays. This seems strange as even with technology in the 1990's there is a delay from satellite links from the UK to the US. There is about a 0.7 second delay from London to California so how is it possible for instant replies from the Moon ?
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DUMB AND DUMBER LIED TO ME >:(
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Nordic-
we shipped Russia a great deal of humanitarian aid that summer inexplicably. Many see this as a payoff. As far as the space stations, they are pretty close to earth. You do know that the moon is 29 times the diameter of the earth, away from us.
I have a Q for you, nordic:
When the control room asked a question to the Astronauts the replies were instant with no delays. This seems strange as even with technology in the 1990's there is a delay from satellite links from the UK to the US. There is about a 0.7 second delay from London to California so how is it possible for instant replies from the Moon ?
They had magical pixies passing the messages, whilst travelling at speeds equal to that of the universal constant.
A man of your intelligence should know this already!
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I have a Q for you, nordic:
When the control room asked a question to the Astronauts the replies were instant with no delays. This seems strange as even with technology in the 1990's there is a delay from satellite links from the UK to the US. There is about a 0.7 second delay from London to California so how is it possible for instant replies from the Moon ?
Nordic,
The moon landing was a lie. We can debate it all you want. But once you explain the lack of radio delay, I'd be happy to hit you with ten more smoking guns. There's no need to be hostile about it.
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here's a really cute one.
Here are two pics from two different Apollo missions. it seemed they used the same backdrop (identical to the pixel in every angle and depth), but the rocks in front of them are quite different.
Now, did all those rocks, mountains, hills and valleys disappear between the two missions? Or did they use the same backdrop for two movie clips and just get lazy?
And I'm still wondering why there is no radio delay in a real-time conversation from the moon (listen to the clips, they just carry on a nice conversation), when at the speed of electromagnetic radio waves, there would have been a several second delay. listen to the clips - it's like they're talking on the phone. This is not scientifically possible. It was live for the world, this historic chat with Houston, and it was in real time without delays.
It was faked. Minimal casualties. Giant results for our nation. It is what it is.
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I actually think we did land on the moon but I also believe in some of the conspiracy theories. I believe failure was not an option and they had a plan B in case of failure.
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DUMB AND DUMBER LIED TO ME >:(
Funny, pedos all say that I bet...
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http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/ (http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/)
not faked.
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puller,
for every conspiracy, there will be websites for both sides claiming they have the facts.
Why would NASA release these photo, obviously doctored? What possible reason would they have? The guide crosses on file always overlap everything in the picture.
Why would NASA fake photos?
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I don't know and I am too tired to actually study it all tonight, I just thought everyone would like to see the other side of the arguement with actual knowledge behind it. I personnally don't believe they faked the moon landing but again I haven't studied it all. On another note, today is the 43rd anniversary of the JFK assassination. Just thought u'd wanna know
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Okay... at first I thought you just hated the Iraq war and Bush but now I can see you really are just another conspiracy buff. I have a friend like you. Sits on the fucking computer for what seems like days on end between his runs to the gym. He's all about computers and knows everything about networks, web design, and graphics. And also loves these Alex Jones tapes and tries to convice everyone the NWO and secret societies of pagans and the world elite are behind everything.
He argues this same b/s about the moon and all the anti-bush and anti-war propaganda that you have and he still professes to be a conservative.
Thomas... is that you??
Get a grip man.
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Brix -
NASA released these pics. Why is this photo doctored?
Also, what's up with no radio delay even though they were 200,000 miles apart?
You answer those, and I'll STFU lol...
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Nordic,
The moon landing was a lie. We can debate it all you want. But once you explain the lack of radio delay, I'd be happy to hit you with ten more smoking guns. There's no need to be hostile about it.
Lunar Metldown.
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Guys, why is it so hard to understand that yes, governments do engage in psychological ops (really big lies) in order to further agendas which match their military and macroeconomic goals?
Why wouldn't they lie to win the space race? it killed the USSR and made the USA the only world superpower. It also made a few people very rich with the NASA 25-30B budget.
Why wouldn't they? Cause they are better than lying? Cause someone would snitch? if everyone got rich and all involved knew that to run your mouth meant death, chances are they'd be quiet.
Why wouldn't they?
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Guys, why is it so hard to understand that yes, governments do engage in psychological ops (really big lies) in order to further agendas which match their military and macroeconomic goals?
Why wouldn't they lie to win the space race? it killed the USSR and made the USA the only world superpower. It also made a few people very rich with the NASA 25-30B budget.
Why wouldn't they? Cause they are better than lying? Cause someone would snitch? if everyone got rich and all involved knew that to run your mouth meant death, chances are they'd be quiet.
Why wouldn't they?
Thats it the positives for the govt outweigh the negatives. If they lie to you guys about this, imagine what else is hidden from US citizens?
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Why would NASA fake photos?
incase of failure... If failure was not an option, I they could have had fakes ready and just said they burned up on the return. To be the first to the moon was of such great importance at the time. All that money, it's easy to understand why they would have a backup incase of failure.
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Brix -
NASA released these pics. Why is this photo doctored?
Also, what's up with no radio delay even though they were 200,000 miles apart?
You answer those, and I'll STFU lol...
So with the mountains of material from the moon (rocks, dust, pictures, video, audio), the whole operation itself, and all the people and orgs involved your entire case is based on 2 pictures that anyone can alter?
Radio waves travel at the speed of light. That doesn't make for much of a delay. Maybe a second at most.
...But hey, believe what you want to.
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So with the mountains of material from the moon (rocks, dust, pictures, video, audio), the whole operation itself, and all the people and orgs involved your entire case is based on 2 pictures that anyone can alter?
Radio waves travel at the speed of light. That doesn't make for much of a delay. Maybe a second at most.
...But hey, believe what you want to.
If sound travelled at the speed of light, one would not feel the electricity or see the lightening flash well before the sound of the thunder. And those are coming from clouds within our atmosphere, only a few thousand feet up in the air. How much further is the moon?
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He said radio waves not sound. They're not yelling from the moon
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If sound travelled at the speed of light, one would not feel the electricity or see the lightening flash well before the sound of the thunder. And those are coming from clouds within our atmosphere, only a few thousand feet up in the air. How much further is the moon?
Radio waves are not "sound" waves. Take a physics class.
Radio waves are electromagnetic radiation and travel at the speed of light.
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed-1.html
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So with the mountains of material from the moon (rocks, dust, pictures, video, audio), the whole operation itself, and all the people and orgs involved your entire case is based on 2 pictures that anyone can alter?
Radio waves travel at the speed of light. That doesn't make for much of a delay. Maybe a second at most.
...But hey, believe what you want to.
The head of the Nasa project took a trip to antarctica for rock collection the year before apollo. Then he resigned ONE DAY before the Apollo launch. There were 13 mysterious deaths.
Read up on it. Light does some creepy shit there. Like, everything will be in a shadow and the US flag will be all lit up, with the sun BEHIND it. Or the fact that the stationary camera pans when the ship takes back off. Or, the two backdrops identical with different foregrounds. Or the PSI in their spacesuits. It was very high and their would have been ZERO slack. believe what you wish. It was a psyop to win the cold war and it worked. believe it or don't. But they don't doctor pics for no reason. NASA has refused to address these questions. Believe what you wish. $30B was spent on it, USSR lost, and we won. But for anyone to mock me before looking at the evidence, well, piss off, cause you're ignorant of facts.
If you can answer my Qs, I am all ears. NASA doctored pics for zero reason? nahhh
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The head of the Nasa project took a trip to antarctica for rock collection the year before apollo. Then he resigned ONE DAY before the Apollo launch. There were 13 mysterious deaths.
Read up on it. Light does some creepy shit there. Like, everything will be in a shadow and the US flag will be all lit up, with the sun BEHIND it. Or the fact that the stationary camera pans when the ship takes back off. Or, the two backdrops identical with different foregrounds. Or the PSI in their spacesuits. It was very high and their would have been ZERO slack. believe what you wish. It was a psyop to win the cold war and it worked. believe it or don't. But they don't doctor pics for no reason. NASA has refused to address these questions. Believe what you wish. $30B was spent on it, USSR lost, and we won. But for anyone to mock me before looking at the evidence, well, piss off, cause you're ignorant of facts.
If you can answer my Qs, I am all ears. NASA doctored pics for zero reason? nahhh
I want to know is how they can spend $30B on the "fraudulent moon landing" yet it remains a "secret"?
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The head of the Nasa project took a trip to antarctica for rock collection the year before apollo. Then he resigned ONE DAY before the Apollo launch. There were 13 mysterious deaths.
Read up on it. Light does some creepy shit there. Like, everything will be in a shadow and the US flag will be all lit up, with the sun BEHIND it. Or the fact that the stationary camera pans when the ship takes back off. Or, the two backdrops identical with different foregrounds. Or the PSI in their spacesuits. It was very high and their would have been ZERO slack. believe what you wish. It was a psyop to win the cold war and it worked. believe it or don't. But they don't doctor pics for no reason. NASA has refused to address these questions. Believe what you wish. $30B was spent on it, USSR lost, and we won. But for anyone to mock me before looking at the evidence, well, piss off, cause you're ignorant of facts.
If you can answer my Qs, I am all ears. NASA doctored pics for zero reason? nahhh
Anyone within NASA (or anyone period) could've doctored those pics and released em. You're so quick to see what isn't there.
Like I said... my buddy already tried to throw all this shit in my face and I took it seriously for about 2 days and looked at all kinds of pics and video he showed me. I couldn't find anything I saw that was blatently out of place and everything he tried to point out could be fairly easily explained.
Don't accuse me of being ignorant when you're the asshole trying to make up shit just because you don't trust the government. Conspiracy theorists are always the same..... sad.
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I want to know is how they can spend $30B on the "fraudulent moon landing" yet it remains a "secret"?
What do you mean? They monitored themselves. The cash could have been used for secret missions that don't get funding, it could have been used to put in Nixon's swimming pool. how the hell should I know?
Many believe the capsule orbited the earth while we all watched a good tv show. who knows. There was no reason to doctor pics. There was no reason those spacesuits didn't fill with oxygen when the PSI should have had them with higher pressure than 5 PSI. They were flapping in the wind. yes the wind. It makes the flag blow the whole time. And there are gravity issues, pic issues...
anyway, it's irrelevant. they doctored pics and wouldn't say why. Several people did come forward and they had heart attacks and car accidents before they were to testify. Call it crazy coincidences, that's fine. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I was asked, and as an educated man who has studied it, I do believe it was used to beat the USSR and gain the tech edge, and it worked.
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IS NOBODY TALKING TO ME!!!! I'M DEREK ANTHONY GODDAMNIT!!!!!
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Anyone within NASA (or anyone period) could've doctored those pics and released em. You're so quick to see what isn't there.
No. they came out in the NASA batch. And NASA says to this day that every pic is legit.
Brix, remember that people used to mock those who believed JFK was killed in a conspiracy. Do they still get mocked?
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He said radio waves not sound. They're not yelling from the moon
{blush} :-[ silly details.
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What do you mean? They monitored themselves. The cash could have been used for secret missions that don't get funding, it could have been used to put in Nixon's swimming pool. how the hell should I know?
Don't get angry with me! >:(
What I mean is, $30b was spent.. surely there would be a money trail..$30B is hard to spend without being noticed. The people/employees would have surely leaked some info to the public?
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No. they came out in the NASA batch. And NASA says to this day that every pic is legit.
Brix, remember that people used to mock those who believed JFK was killed in a conspiracy. Do they still get mocked?
I'm not going to spend all night arguing with you over this. But I will say that the effect of crosshairs being blurred out by a brighter background image is common. And I say that as a rifle hunter and an amateur astronomer.
No they're not still mocked. At least not all the time. But this whole "we never went to the moon" bullshit is just that. Please don't breed... I beg you.
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What I mean is, $30b was spent.. surely there would be a money trail..$30B is hard to spend without being noticed. The people/employees would have surely leaked some info to the public?
$2.3 TRILLION leaked from the Pentagon and we've never heard another word about it. (Rummy announced via DoD on Sept 10, 2001)
When you collect, distribute, monitor, and spend all the money, it's not hard to put it anywhere you wish.
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240 is right there for the government to hide 30B is like anyone of us hiding 500 bucks. It's a drop in the bucket
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I'm not going to spend all night arguing with you over this. But I will say that the effect of crosshairs being blurred out by a brighter background image is common. And I say that as a rifle hunter and an amateur astronomer.
No they're not still mocked. At least not all the time. But this whole "we never went to the moon" bullshit is just that. Please don't breed... I beg you.
Don't be a cock. You wanna go there? You're a fucking dumb shit for buying that war lie. You're risking your skin for a lie, dude. You are the biggest sucker in the room. Sorry, but you wanna insult me on a breeding level? You bought the biggest lie of our lives. So don't go there. I reserve my judgment of your choice until you go there.
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Don't be a cock. You wanna go there? You're a fucking dumb shit for buying that war lie. You're risking your skin for a lie, dude. You are the biggest sucker in the room. Sorry, but you wanna insult me on a breeding level? You bought the biggest lie of our lives. So don't go there. I reserve my judgment of your choice until you go there.
meltdown
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240 is right there for the government to hide 30B is like anyone of us hiding 500 bucks. It's a drop in the bucket
I dont think its a question of "hiding" the $$, rather being able to spend it discreetly..
For example and this is a hypothetical scenario... The people or person who built and designed the "moon" (soundstage) would have been paid some serious $$$. Surely these people would have gone back home to their wives/partners after a tough day on the site and blabbed. I know I would have!
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meltdown
yep. i tire of people who haven't researched the questions about things, lecturing like they know the argument. it's like a 7th grader in remedial math getting on a forum and telling a calc professor his numbers are wrong. You are in the belly of the beast. Enjoy it. But when you come home, please open your eyes and stop buying lies.
or, fuck it, you keep buying the bullshit. Stupid people deserve the shitty circumstances they put themselves in.
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Oh, I think 240 is crazy to believe the moon landing was false. That's just insane. I was just commenting on the governments end of "laundering" money. If you google apollo 11 conspiracy you will find answers to all of 240's questions. The flag, the pictures, all of it. I just hate pasting articles and I'm to lazy to reword each one.
here's one exerp of an article answering the crosshairs question.
Bad: Crosshairs were etched in the astronauts' cameras to better help measure objects in the pictures. However, in several images, it looks like the objects are actually in front of the crosshairs, which is impossible if the crosshairs were inside the camera! Therefore, the images were faked.
Good: This argument is pretty silly. Do the HBs think that NASA had painted crosshairs on the set behind the astronauts? I heard one HB claim the crosshairs were added later on, and NASA had messed up some of the imaging. That's ridiculous! Why add in crosshairs later? Cameras equipped with crosshairs have been used for a long time, and it would have been easy to simply use some to take pictures on the faked set. Clearly, the HBs are wrong here, but the images do look funny. What happened?
What happened becomes clearer when you look more closely at the images. The times it looks like an object is in front of the crosshair (because the crosshair looks blocked by the object) is when the object photographed is white. The crosshair is black. Have you ever taken an image that is overexposed? White parts bleed into the film around them, making them look white too. That's all that happened here; the white object in the image ``fills in'' the black crosshair. It's a matter of contrast: the crosshair becomes invisible because the white part overwhelms the film. This is basic photography.
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I dont think its a question of "hiding" the $$, rather being able to spend it discreetly..
For example and this is a hypothetical scenario... The people or person who built and designed the "moon" (soundstage) would have been paid some serious $$$. Surely these people would have gone back home to their wives/partners after a tough day on the site and blabbed. I know I would have!
Not necessarily. You're assuming they would have had to hire a gossipy hollywood DOP for the day.
I'm sure the American covert agencies have their own AV personnel.
Just like I doubt the CIA has to go to Berlitz for language translations either. They have that in-house.
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yep. i tire of people who haven't researched the questions about things, lecturing like they know the argument. it's like a 7th grader in remedial math getting on a forum and telling a calc professor his numbers are wrong. You are in the belly of the beast. Enjoy it. But when you come home, please open your eyes and stop buying lies.
or, f**k it, you keep buying the bullshit. Stupid people deserve the shitty circumstances they put themselves in.
You're right.. keep making an ass of yourself and an ass is what everyone will see. Congrats!
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i don't bring it up. i was asked what my opinion is. My opnion is that in 69, we had RFK killed, vietnam in full swing, woodstock personifying a new defiant voice, and they needed a success. You can believe forever that the govt lies about lots of little things (most ppl agree on this) but they would never lie about big things.
Is that rational? A govt who regularly lies about many many small things would never dream of lying about a big thing?
It's what I believe. Do I care that it happened? not really. Am i trying to convert anyone? No. it is what it is. A lot of people feel the same way. Who knows, mayube time will give us more answers. but it's over now and nothing we know will change much.
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Just in case ... pretty cool board.. 8) http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php
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i don't bring it up. i was asked what my opinion is. My opnion is that in 69, we had RFK killed, vietnam in full swing, woodstock personifying a new defiant voice, and they needed a success. You can believe forever that the govt lies about lots of little things (most ppl agree on this) but they would never lie about big things.
Is that rational? A govt who regularly lies about many many small things would never dream of lying about a big thing?
It's what I believe. Do I care that it happened? not really. Am i trying to convert anyone? No. it is what it is. A lot of people feel the same way. Who knows, mayube time will give us more answers. but it's over now and nothing we know will change much.
I never believed the gov't was incapable of lying. I don't even know anyone who thinks the gov't doesn't lie.
But this bullshit has so many holes in it that to actually believe it is to be irrational, period.
C'mon dude, even if they tried to lie about this the gov't wouldn't be able to get as far as they did before SO MANY people involved blew the whistle. Funny how the fact that we went to the moon wasn't even questioned until this conspiracy craze of the late 90's up to now. But some people just want to find things to make up stories about so have at it.
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brix,
are you trying to convince me? Or yourself?
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brix,
are you trying to convince me? Or yourself?
Niether... I'm just stating that arguing about this is fuckin rediculus. Actually I'm mad at myself for even entertaining the fact that anyone who actually believes this never happened has an ounce of truth behind them. I'm leaving now to slap myself.
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Niether... I'm just stating that arguing about this is fuckin rediculus. Actually I'm mad at myself for even entertaining the fact that anyone who actually believes this never happened has an ounce of truth behind them. I'm leaving now to slap myself.
Okay. Thanks for serving our country. I hope you do open your eyes when you come home,and do something great with the combination of your military experience and the thigns that we at home know, which you aren't exposed to. peace.
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Okay. Thanks for serving our country. I hope you do open your eyes when you come home,and do something great with the combination of your military experience and the thigns that we at home know, which you aren't exposed to. peace.
Hmm... I wish I could show you clowns at home the things I get to see that YOU aren't exposed to.
You might change your tune.
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I see a lot on other boards about some serious violent and shady shit. I wish you guys would come home. My theory is that half (the dumber half) would guard the borders. Immigration prob solved. The bright half gets to work immediately on development of a new fuel source.
US men & women stop dying. The UN takes over in Iraq and they take the hits. The US becomes more isolated, but way more safer. We correct our financial issues thru innovation and hard work, not invading and resource grabbing. My 2 cents.
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I see a lot on other boards about some serious violent and shady shit. I wish you guys would come home. My theory is that half (the dumber half) would guard the borders. Immigration prob solved. The bright half gets to work immediately on development of a new fuel source.
US men & women stop dying. The UN takes over in Iraq and they take the hits. The US becomes more isolated, but way more safer. We correct our financial issues thru innovation and hard work, not invading and resource grabbing. My 2 cents.
Everytime the UN goes somewhere who supplies a majority of the troops? New fuel source? That's a HALF decent idea... but we'd be better off to tap sources closer to home until that new source is "discovered."
I would give your two cents to a homeless guy to spend on maddog 20/20.