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Title: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Insider Z on November 24, 2006, 01:28:15 PM
Well, actually that is the (not so) secret wish of few characters who don't care about the growth of the sport but just caring about their personal power. I've heard that in 2007 IFBB won't promote more pro shows than PDI.
Or better, PDI may be able to set a larger pro show schedule than IFBB.

Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 24, 2006, 01:31:59 PM
Well,
actually that is the (not so) secret wish of few characters who don't care about the growth of the sport but just caring about their personal power.
I've heard that in 2007 IFBB won't promote more pro shows than PDI.
Or better, PDI may be able to set a larger pro show schedule than IFBB.

It seems PDI Euro is going to be a fucking beast in 2007. 
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Insider Z on November 24, 2006, 01:38:32 PM
Who cares?

You'd be surprised to know how many athletes and fans care about it.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: SteelePegasus on November 24, 2006, 01:39:56 PM
It seems PDI Euro is going to be a fucking beast in 2007. 


1. Lee Priest
2. Sammy
3-5. Rodney

no more suspense...
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2006, 02:27:16 PM

It is rumored that in 2007, the PDI will have a number of shows, but most of them will be in Europe. In the U.S., it looks like that the PDI Night of Champions will come back. Unless Wayne DeMilia says so, it is not going out out business.

As for the IFBB, it is going as strong as ever, with the schedule announced earlier, and many people are looking forwards to the shows. First show if the Ironman in Pasadena, in which this year, the top five qualify for the Olympia.

Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: timfogarty on November 24, 2006, 02:42:22 PM
As for the IFBB, it is going as strong as ever,

unless you count the years they were having 15 or more pro show for the men, including 5 or more in Europe.  this year there is a total of one contest being held outside North America

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First show if the Ironman in Pasadena, in which this year, the top five qualify for the Olympia.

ya know, the Olympia is suppose to be the best of the best.  it should be limited to the winners of contests of the previous 12 months
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Insider Z on November 24, 2006, 03:36:25 PM

As for the IFBB, it is going as strong as ever, with the schedule announced earlier, and many people are looking forwards to the shows. First show if the Ironman in Pasadena, in which this year, the top five qualify for the Olympia.



Ron,
if they keep this strategy, both you and I have a chance to qualify for the show that used to be the greatest in our business.
Five from Ironman qualifying for the Olympia is embarassing for the credibility of the system
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: bigmikecox on November 24, 2006, 03:39:08 PM
When Joe Weider dies, the Arnold is going to be a PDI show!!!!
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Platz on November 24, 2006, 03:49:51 PM
unless you count the years they were having 15 or more pro show for the men, including 5 or more in Europe.  this year there is a total of one contest being held outside North America

ya know, the Olympia is suppose to be the best of the best.  it should be limited to the winners of contests of the previous 12 months

I believe that the euro tour will be added later on (Russian & Dutch GP)
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Tre on November 24, 2006, 04:28:03 PM

I say again:

Rooting for the PDI to succeed does not equate to wishing the IFBB to fail or even to experience tough times. 

------------------

And then the NPC Pro Division will emerge and we can have title unification battles.

It'll be a great day when the best bodybuilder in the world holds all 3 title belts.

Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Meltdown on November 24, 2006, 05:15:18 PM
The IFBB Pro calender looked a lot better when Wayne was involved.It's a shame that BB has to suffer as per Politics.IFBB prize money is way too low with Grand Prix shows giving 10k for 1st and 1k for 5th now that is a JOKE.Nite Clubs have bigger prizes.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 24, 2006, 05:51:03 PM
G for P is an alternative when BB prize money is so low.  at least the G for P dollars are tax free.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Meltdown on November 24, 2006, 06:12:09 PM
It's very Sad that the prize money is so low the promoters make a packet with no risk to health.I know people who would spend more for a dinner than 5th place $1000 in a Grand Prix.I thought that Pro meant that you lived off your chosen Profession.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: gordiano on November 24, 2006, 06:59:18 PM
It's very Sad that the prize money is so low the promoters make a packet with no risk to health.I know people who would spend more for a dinner than 5th place $1000 in a Grand Prix.I thought that Pro meant that you lived off your chosen Profession.

I know what you mean.


And so I ask this question once again......


Why would ANYONE want to be a pro?
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Lee_a_priest on November 24, 2006, 07:30:10 PM
When Joe Weider dies, the Arnold is going to be a PDI show!!!!

 ;)
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Lee_a_priest on November 24, 2006, 07:34:01 PM
I know what you mean.


And so I ask this question once again......


Why would ANYONE want to be a pro?

No why would anyone want to be a pro and then not be able to compete and make money where and when they can?

Like i have said i pay my dues to the NHRA and get a membership card(nicer then he IFBb one as well) but i can race IHRA or any other racing league to make money..just dosen't make sense in Bodybuilding to restrict guys making money while they can...ALL about power and ego...what a shame.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: njflex on November 24, 2006, 07:43:22 PM
ihra probably has a bigger fan base,nascar too.shame,can u feel the squeeze lee.u have to sell ur soul to be a ifbb playa,you have done it and successfully long time.think of all the names that have come and gone ???
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: kyomu on November 25, 2006, 05:08:50 AM
No why would anyone want to be a pro and then not be able to compete and make money where and when they can?

Like i have said i pay my dues to the NHRA and get a membership card(nicer then he IFBb one as well) but i can race IHRA or any other racing league to make money..just dosen't make sense in Bodybuilding to restrict guys making money while they can...ALL about power and ego...what a shame.
They make use of BBer because they are stupid. ;)
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: SteelePegasus on November 25, 2006, 05:13:19 AM
The IFBB Pro calender looked a lot better when Wayne was involved.It's a shame that BB has to suffer as per Politics.IFBB prize money is way too low with Grand Prix shows giving 10k for 1st and 1k for 5th now that is a JOKE.Nite Clubs have bigger prizes.

1. night clubs have more people in attendance
2. when you factor in the bar they make more money
3. night clubs have more people on gear
4. and much better posing routines
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: efirkey on November 25, 2006, 05:58:00 AM
unless you count the years they were having 15 or more pro show for the men, including 5 or more in Europe.  this year there is a total of one contest being held outside North America

ya know, the Olympia is suppose to be the best of the best.  it should be limited to the winners of contests of the previous 12 months

and as the best of the best, it should allow winners from other organizations to compete as well as it was originally intended
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: efirkey on November 25, 2006, 06:01:47 AM
Ron,
if they keep this strategy, both you and I have a chance to qualify for the show that used to be the greatest in our business.
Five from Ironman qualifying for the Olympia is embarassing for the credibility of the system


If they only allowed winners in the Olympia, then in some years they would have less than five competitors.  This wouldn't make for a great show.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: ether on November 25, 2006, 06:02:56 AM
1. night clubs have more people in attendance
2. when you factor in the bar they make more money
3. night clubs have more people on gear
4. and much better posing routines

Awesome post. ;D

Wouldn't it make sense for the PDI to be having shows now, when the IFBB is quiet...so that more people might cross over rather than hosting the NOC like the week before the olympia.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: buffbodz on November 25, 2006, 06:57:58 AM
This post has allot of good points.  Why should their be only 1 kid on the block calling all the shots.  The window of opportunity for a bodybuilder is only so long.  Why would any federation not wish the best earning not to mention the prestige of winning a crossover show?  One question.  Does the PDI suspend any of their athletes who compete in another federation?  Is whats good for the goose good for the gander?  I don't believe anyones brought up this before.  Lee, 240 anyone?
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 25, 2006, 07:08:28 AM
people on top don't like to share money or spotlight.  it is inevitably their downfall because they don't adapt to change quickly enough.

PDI is currently a guerilla operation.  They can adapt to changing environment much more quickly than a larger, more beaurocratic org like the IFBB.  On the other hand, IFBB has the NPC understructure and is #1 in the mindset of the consumer.   There will always be a #1 and a #2 in every market - -coke/pepsi, nike/reebok... so PDI will always be right there are a different alternative.  wayne's experience is the wildcard - seeing as he knows the IFBB show ops inside and out, he doesn't face that barrier to entry that John Doe would have when trying to fig out how to build a show and the structure underneath it, not to mention promotions.

it's an interesting story here. Classic leader/guerilla example ala marketing 101.  IFBB is safe of course, but thanks to the availability of media, perceptions held by athletes, and wayne's IFBB IQ, PDI could move from 'shasta' to 'pepsi' status by the end of 2007, providing a viable option and becoing a legit #2 contender. That is what IFBB probably fears (i would). Waking up after the 2007 and realizing they now possess 55% of the market share to PDI's 45%, instead of 90% (2006 figures).  With wayne's ambitions 2007 euro plans, i am guessing we'll see more of what we did last year (guys flipflopping, organized public bashing to counter all PDI announcements.

Was it ghandi who said it?  "First they ignore you.  Then they mock you. Then they attack you. At that point, you've won." ;)

Just a sat AM analysis under the influence of raisin and date oatmeal.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 1Fast400 on November 25, 2006, 07:13:08 AM
I'm one of the few on this board that has put on a pro show.  Tell me how a promoter is supposed to make money when the "sanctioning fee's" and prize purse for mens bodybuilding/womens bb'ing/figure/fitness totals 76k dollars?  That doesn't count the expenses of the judges, which have to be paid for by the promoter, plus 500 bucks or whatever to each judge post show.  

Their system is setup to fail.  You get NOTHING for that 76k dollars.  I asked to used the NPC mailing list and was told no.  All I wanted to do was let people know about the show.  Please tell me how a new show is supposed to generate at least 100k in profit in order to break even?  The biggest show of the year only draws 5k people.  Sponsors aren't going to nut up if you don't have a history of people coming into your event.  You can put the show near the arnold or the olympia because people have the big cash outlay for those events.

It's a flawed system and I for one would LOVE to see it fall or change hands.  This is just coming from the business side.  I won't even get into the competition side of things.  I have some REALLY good stories for that one.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 25, 2006, 07:23:09 AM
mike, something tells me a few shots and you're the most entertaining guy in the bar.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 1Fast400 on November 25, 2006, 07:25:34 AM
I'm not a fun one to argue with, that's for sure.  Many years on a debate team combined with the gift of gab, makes it fun :).  I'm pretty laid back 99% of the time.  However, should I take a disliking to someone, I can be a royal pain.  Now that I'm out of the industry and not dating anyone that competes, I don't have to watch myself. 

I'm heading out to the race track, catch ya later.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Tre on November 25, 2006, 08:49:22 AM
Many years on a debate team...

Those Charlotte schools produced some *monster* debate teams over the years, no question about that.

Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: thisiskeith12 on November 25, 2006, 09:01:57 AM
I'm one of the few on this board that has put on a pro show.  Tell me how a promoter is supposed to make money when the "sanctioning fee's" and prize purse for mens bodybuilding/womens bb'ing/figure/fitness totals 76k dollars?  That doesn't count the expenses of the judges, which have to be paid for by the promoter, plus 500 bucks or whatever to each judge post show. 

Their system is setup to fail.  You get NOTHING for that 76k dollars.  I asked to used the NPC mailing list and was told no.  All I wanted to do was let people know about the show.  Please tell me how a new show is supposed to generate at least 100k in profit in order to break even?  The biggest show of the year only draws 5k people.  Sponsors aren't going to nut up if you don't have a history of people coming into your event.  You can put the show near the arnold or the olympia because people have the big cash outlay for those events.

It's a flawed system and I for one would LOVE to see it fall or change hands.  This is just coming from the business side.  I won't even get into the competition side of things.  I have some REALLY good stories for that one.

A great post!
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: timfogarty on November 25, 2006, 12:11:24 PM
One question.  Does the PDI suspend any of their athletes who compete in another federation?  Is whats good for the goose good for the gander?  I don't believe anyones brought up this before.  Lee, 240 anyone?

You must not have been paying attention when the PDI started up.  One of the founding tenets was that you'd be free to enter any contest of any organization.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 25, 2006, 12:22:57 PM
You must not have been paying attention when the PDI started up.  One of the founding tenets was that you'd be free to enter any contest of any organization.

Pro Division Inc is not in competition with any other organization or federation. It is only to provide another
avenue for the Bodybuilding athlete to compete on a professional level with different criteria and standards.
http://pdiradio.com/pr/1.pdf

The Sports Act of 1978, and a subsequent ruling on the matter in 1983, has given amateur athletes the right to compete in any organization any time they wish without fear of threats or reprisals.
http://pdiradio.com/pr/4.pdf

Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Lee_a_priest on November 25, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
They make use of BBer because they are stupid. ;)
Ain't that the truth and they know what ever they do or throw at the Bodybuilders they will do nothing about it.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Lee_a_priest on November 25, 2006, 01:21:20 PM
This post has allot of good points.  Why should their be only 1 kid on the block calling all the shots.  The window of opportunity for a bodybuilder is only so long.  Why would any federation not wish the best earning not to mention the prestige of winning a crossover show?  One question.  Does the PDI suspend any of their athletes who compete in another federation?  Is whats good for the goose good for the gander?  I don't believe anyones brought up this before.  Lee, 240 anyone?
No you can compete with any organization Wayne has no problem ..i am guest posing at 4 shows for NABBA next year and another different organization in France.Wayne said if we can make money he will not stop us competing wherever .That's how it should be.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: SWOLETRAIN on November 25, 2006, 01:23:04 PM
No you can compete with any organization Wayne has no problem ..i am guest posing at 4 shows for NABBA next year and another different organization in France.Wayne said if we can make money he will not stop us competing wherever .That's how it should be.
WORD
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: onlyme on November 25, 2006, 01:47:35 PM
No you can compete with any organization Wayne has no problem ..i am guest posing at 4 shows for NABBA next year and another different organization in France.Wayne said if we can make money he will not stop us competing wherever .That's how it should be.

And that why other BB's will be coming over.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Jr. Yates on November 25, 2006, 05:05:36 PM
And that why other BB's will be coming over.
exactly. It only makes sense.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: HRDCOR on November 26, 2006, 01:14:37 AM
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Like i have said i pay my dues to the NHRA and get a membership card(nicer then he IFBb one as well) but i can race IHRA or any other racing league to make money..just dosen't make sense in Bodybuilding to restrict guys making money while they can...ALL about power and ego...what a shame                                                                                 


Ummmm Ive got a Library card !!!
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: the shadow on November 26, 2006, 01:22:54 AM
the PDI WILL end next year..RIP PDI
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on November 26, 2006, 03:02:34 AM
the PDI WILL end IFBB next year..RIP PDI

   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: kyomu on November 26, 2006, 03:09:18 AM
wow.sami you look great even standing next to great lee priest!
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Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: PORKY on November 26, 2006, 04:19:45 AM
 8) ;D I'm very likely joining you next year Sami bro! Preparations all on the way already  ;)
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 26, 2006, 06:37:36 AM
the PDI WILL end next year..RIP PDI

what were your 2006 PDI predictions, shadow?
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: disco_stu on November 26, 2006, 12:24:39 PM
I'm not a fun one to argue with, that's for sure.  Many years on a debate team combined with the gift of gab, makes it fun :).  I'm pretty laid back 99% of the time.  However, should I take a disliking to someone, I can be a royal pain.  Now that I'm out of the industry and not dating anyone that competes, I don't have to watch myself. 

I'm heading out to the race track, catch ya later.


well arent you awesome then?....

very impressive...

1fast400 eh....what is your definition of ''fast''....we'll be the judge.

regards,

fantastic stu
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: rocco911 on November 26, 2006, 01:04:53 PM
No you can compete with any organization Wayne has no problem ..i am guest posing at 4 shows for NABBA next year and another different organization in France.Wayne said if we can make money he will not stop us competing wherever .That's how it should be.

Lee - when will you be moving to France?  Since you continue to lie about dating Adella you might has well join the French P*ssy's.  Plus they are most likely your size.  But if you hit woman in France they will cut your hand off...
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: Tre on November 26, 2006, 04:34:06 PM
But if you hit woman in France they will cut your hand off...

Sean Connery certainly wasn't French.
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: 1Fast400 on November 27, 2006, 06:15:13 AM
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well arent you awesome then?....

Yes, yes I am. haha
Title: Re: PDI out of the business?
Post by: HUGEPECS on November 27, 2006, 06:22:28 AM
maybe I need to check them out next year or something, and see if they will survive the Wrath of the IFBB