I would choose Sergio. He has better proportions than Arnold, a smaller waist, and doesn't have hunched shoulders like Arnold.
Haha arnold is dwarfing him. With better condition. His shoulders are hunched because he is leaning forward. You are correct about the smaller waist. Sergio has an all around smaller frame. At least make sense when you post
Just think Zanes toothpick arms beat Arnold once and got Zane 3 Mr Olympias.Not bad for a guy that weighed 175lb.No wonder the nickname Chemist belonged to him.It's hard to judge from a picture all in one line.
sure, Arnold is dwarfing Sergio. Maybe in the waist department. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Sergio%20Oliva/SergioandArnold.jpg)
The thread starter asked us to choose someone based on a pic. I don't know how you can say Arnold has better conditioning b/c they look the same. Both have 4 pacs. Both have the same detail in their arms and delts. The only difference is that Arnold is flexing his quads while Sergio is not. I hope this post made sense to you.
Haha , you are blind. Look how much bigger and more cut his legs are lol. Chest , arms , lats all bigger. DWARFED.
Haha, you are blind. Look how much bigger and more cut his legs are lol. Chest , arms , lats all bigger. DWARFED.
Haha , you are blind. Look how much bigger and more cut his legs are lol. Chest , arms , lats all bigger. DWARFED. Arnolds waist was 33 - 34 inches contest. That is not big on a 6 foot 1 man Sergio claimed a 28 inch waist. It is more like 30 inches. Abnormally small. Maybe is Sergio got in shape he would have beat arnold more :D Cant get shredded eating pizza and coke.
Pizza and Coke, lol. You're taking that too literally. There is a member on this board that trained with Sergio and has been with him during his bodybuilding days. Sergio took things serious and ate junk food just like the rest of the bodybuilders did when it was not contest time. Remember this, Arnold was given and took the best supplements and "stuff" that money could buy. Uncle Joe supplied Arnold with all of his supplements. On the other hand, Sergio had to "earn" his money and was not fed with a silver spoon in his mouth like Arnold was. Sergio only used what "stuff" he could afford and only used what free supplements was given to him.
Haha , you are blind. Look how much bigger and more cut his legs are lol. Chest , arms , lats all bigger. DWARFED. Arnolds waist was 33 - 34 inches contest. That is not big on a 6 foot 1 man Sergio claimed a 28 inch waist. It is more like 30 inches. Abnormally small. Maybe is Sergio got in shape he would have beat arnold more :D Cant get shredded eating pizza and coke.
Oliva's arms were the same size as Schwarzeneggers, on a smaller frame. Legs same thing. Lats same. Waist smaller.
Oh please you think that GARBAGE Weider was pushing back in the late 60s and early 70s actually did anything? Sergio was like Flex Wheeler he relied on his genetics to much and he could get away with that when facing guys like Chuck Sipes and Harold Poole but not Arnold , Arnold was more driven that Sergio and thats why he beat him.
His legs are not the same size in that picture. Please stop with the nonsense.
Answer this my friend. If the stuff back then didn't do anything, then why did they even bother to take it? Arnold would have beat Sergio from '73 to '75 but not in '72. Sergio got robbed. Arnold admitted that it was all politics and that Sergio was the real winner. I was in Essen for God's sake. There not going to let a black man beat Arnold there. Come on. Read between the lines my friend.
Arnold would have beat Sergio from '73 to '75 but not in '72.
What cave have you been living in? One of Schwarzenegger's least good areas was thigh size-decent quad size compensated for by good shape & cuts as well as proper posing, and non-existent hams. This time, notice that Schwarzenegger's feet are positioned outwards, creating a needed impression of size that wasn't there.
One other thing: Oliva was as big in most areas, but on a smaller frame = more muscle.
Can't assume that-Schwarzenegger was in his best shape 73-74 only because he expected Oliva to be there, and only after Schwarzenegger refused Oliva's challenge to compete against him in a neutral, non-Weider contest. ;D
Weider wouldn't let Arnold compete he wanted to and Sergio got out right beat by Bill Pearl at the 1971 NABBA contest while Sergio was training under Aurther Jones none the less !! How did Uncle Joe influcence that contest? ;)
What cave have you been living in? One of Schwarzenegger's least good areas was thigh size-decent quad size compensated for by good shape & cuts as well as proper posing, and non-existent hams. This time, notice that Schwarzenegger's feet are positioned outwards, creating a needed impression of size that wasn't there.
One other thing: Oliva was as big in most areas, but on a smaller frame = more muscle.
ND likes to go off in tangents that have nothing to do with the original thread.
ta ta
Nonsense they did " let a black man " beat Arnold in 1969 if it was politics he would have NEVER beat Arnold in 69 !! and who knows if they even took that garbage? they pushed it but seriously go look at some of the old adds in Muscle Builder lol
No cave. I know Sergio had more muscle. But he was not as sharp. I think in that particular picture Arnold looks bigger.
Sergio had bigger quads no doubt but he also carried more fat & water in his physique as well as muscle and that was evident.
Can't assume that-Schwarzenegger was in his best shape 73-74 only because he expected Oliva to be there, and only after Schwarzenegger refused Oliva's challenge to come out of the audience to compete against him in a neutral, non-Weider contest. Essentially Schwarzenegger backed down, which no one realizes. ;D
If Oliva had the cuts in the contest that he had days after after the contest, he'd have won no matter what. Lacking a little sharpness made it a toss-up.
Pizza and Coke, lol. You're taking that too literally. There is a member on this board that trained with Sergio and has been with him during his bodybuilding days. Sergio took things serious and ate junk food just like the rest of the bodybuilders did when it was not contest time. Remember this, Arnold was given and took the best supplements and "stuff" that money could buy. Uncle Joe supplied Arnold with all of his supplements. On the other hand, Sergio had to "earn" his money and was not fed with a silver spoon in his mouth like Arnold was. Sergio only used what "stuff" he could afford and only used what free supplements was given to him.
Easy explanation that ND does a good job on playing dumb on. Oliva was allowed to win because (1) he was the established previous winner, which Weider has proven repeatedly over the years he favors, and (2) it definitely made the contest look more believable to prevent Schwarzenegger from winning first time out against someone as good or better. Allowing Arnold to win the first show, being no better than the established winner, would've discredited a contest that was only a few years old.
Nonsense they did " let a black man " beat Arnold in 1969 if it was politics he would have NEVER beat Arnold in 69 !! and who knows if they even took that garbage? they pushed it but seriously go look at some of the old adds in Muscle Builder lol
Like many said before and I'll say it again. Arnold was not better than Sergio, but Arnold would win the Olympias because of how much money Joe would make with Arnold as Mr. O. Simple. Arnold would win in '73, '74' '75 only because of polotics. I remember reading about many stories when Sergio came out and challenged Arnold in front of everyone and Arnold backed down because Arnold new he would lose and that would make him and Joe look stupid.
Is this the best you could manage? if he liked an established winner why let Arnold ever win? its fantasy , plain & simple , use your head Sergio never faced anyone of Arnold's caliber and when he did he paid the price , Sergio could get away being less than 100% with the likes of Poole and Sipes but not Arnold.
Like many said before and I'll say it again. Arnold was not better than Sergio, but Arnold would win the Olympias because of how much money Joe would make with Arnold as Mr. O. Simple. Arnold would win in '73, '74' '75 only because of polotics. I remember reading about many stories when Sergio came out and challenged Arnold in front of everyone and Arnold backed down because Arnold new he would lose and that would make him and Joe look stupid.
Oh please you think that GARBAGE Weider was pushing back in the late 60s and early 70s actually did anything? Sergio was like Flex Wheeler he relied on his genetics to much and he could get away with that when facing guys like Chuck Sipes and Harold Poole but not Arnold , Arnold was more driven that Sergio and thats why he beat him.
Weider wouldn't let Arnold compete he wanted to and Sergio got out right beat by Bill Pearl at the 1971 NABBA contest while Sergio was training under Aurther Jones none the less !! How did Uncle Joe influcence that contest? ;)
Everyone knows that was the biggest "GIFT" Bill Pearl got. That was his last competition he would enter. He was an old man. There is no way he should of won that competition. Sergio kicks his butt at all times.
Everyone knows that was the biggest "GIFT" Bill Pearl got. That was his last competition he would enter. He was an old man. There is no way he should of won that competition. Sergio kicks his butt at all times.
ND will now insist on "proof", without which he'll claim that what you're saying can't possibly have any truth to it.
It was a NON-IFBB contest you can't claim Weider had a hand in the outcome and I'm in the positive , Pearl won your hero got crushed and all your left with is excuses.
Exactly as predicted, while skirting the reality that there were probably politics involved.ND always favors the white BB unless the "non-white" is very clearly ahead, as in Haney's case.
It shows what you know , Bill Pearl ONLY faced Sergio that one time and beat him clearly ! Arnold was supposed to compete in that contest and Weider wouldn't let him out fear the same thing would happen to Arnold that happened to Sergio , get beat fair & square.
sure, Arnold is dwarfing Sergio. Maybe in the waist department. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Sergio%20Oliva/SergioandArnold.jpg)
The thread starter asked us to choose someone based on a pic. I don't know how you can say Arnold has better conditioning b/c they look the same. Both have 4 pacs. Both have the same detail in their arms and delts. The only difference is that Arnold is flexing his quads while Sergio is not. I hope this post made sense to you.
Oh trust me my friend. I know a whole lot more than what you think I know. I'm not on here to argue with you. Arnold didn't enter that contest because everyone in the IFBB knew it was Bill's last competition and if Arnold entered, it would have been Sergio and Arnold as the 2 finalists. It's simple. Everyone knows that. By the way this is my last post on this subject my friend. See you on other threads.
This is interesting because it's only in the prejudging photos of the '72 Olympia that Arnold appears to match Sergio in any way, for example, in the below pics, Sergio's legs, chest & lats appear to be much bigger than Arnolds. If you watch the footage of Sergio & Arnold at the night show, Sergio absolutley blows Arnold away. It's not even close.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m15.jpg) (http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Oliva14.jpg)
SERGIO!!!!
The prejudging is where the contest is decided thats when you have to look your best.
If you look closer at the picture, you can see that Sergio is further back than anyone else.Good point, it's true.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109191.0;attach=122837;image)
Someone tell that to the judges in the 2001 Olympia where Jay had an atomic lead over Ronnie and still lost ???. Yet another great decision from Weider's boyz.
SERGIO!!!!!
Sergio owning Schwarzenegger on lat spead both front and back..Arnold was honest for a change, admitting that he'd lost to Oliva in this contest.
What was that about Schwarzenegger's quads being comparable in size? Monster delusions..beating him on lats too. hahahahaahahaha
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109191.0;attach=122893;image)
It's amazing how the '72 Olympia is regarded as the classic example of bodybuilding politics being out of control yet the '70 Olympia is probably an even better example. Arnold cooly eyes Sergio, WTF ::). Arnolds probably thinking to himself "Thank God I wore black posing trunks & I've got Uncle Joe in my corner".
SERGIO!!!!!
He's saying thank God Sergio showed up looking smooth as a babies ass this makes my job easier .
Someone needs to photoshop Vince in there.
Who would you choose?alexxx you are fucking high bro alll these guys would get smoked in the olympia this year.
I think Goodrum would fit perfectly between Arnold and Zane..or maybe at the far end of the lineup.
Goodrum is way to huge dude. People would be disgusted with his size.
Who would you choose?
I know you would choose Sergio, Alexxx, but I got Arnold's back so I go with him! :P
Who would you choose?
Who would you choose?just like they way they are standing..
Also I just noticed that 4 of those in lineup where previous mr. Olympias.. guess which? ;D
Haha arnold is dwarfing him. With better condition. His shoulders are hunched because he is leaning forward. You are correct about the smaller waist. Sergio has an all around smaller frame. At least make sense when you post ::)
Correction:
Only Arnold & Sergio were "previous" mr.O in that lineup,
Dr.Franco and Frank went to become mr. O after Arnold got tired of winning and retired at the tender age of 28 in 75'
If Arnold weighed about 230, then what would Sergio weigh? Sergio would be way too small to compete by today's standards.
I have a question...just because someones has big arms, does that mean they are good arms??? Sergio had no peak at all on his biceps...arnold at least had decent looking arms...
wow alex...i sure am glad you pointed out that the arm has two muscles...the point i was trying to make was that everyone has been saying sergio has better arms and i wanted a justification
I'll be honest...his arms are huge...but they look like shit...theres no shape there, all mass....
sergio rules 77...explain to me whats so perfect to me about an arm where the bicep looks like a fucking hill...no peak...no cuts...to have a perfect arm, it requires components that he's missing...
How can people even debate this? Arnold Is King. End of story. I do think Sergio relied to much on genetics, you can noticably tell that Arnold improved year after year where as Sergio brought the same package year after year with less then stellar conditioning. Pumpster you sir are by far just as retarded when it comes to logic as Triple V when it comes to BBing. Please shove an icepick in your eye now cause ND owns you day and night even if he isn't right (which in this case he is right).
If Arnold weighed about 230, then what would Sergio weigh? Sergio would be way too small to compete by today's standards.
I have a question...just because someones has big arms, does that mean they are good arms??? Sergio had no peak at all on his biceps...arnold at least had decent looking arms...
Did you start following BB yesterday? Oliva's tris & forearms were much better; that's 2/3s of the equation except to those dazzled by biceps peaks. His arm size was also bigger, relative to his height, so overall it was a draw at best for Schwarzenegger.
Who would you choose?
First smart thing you've said your entire existence on this planet. ;)
I'll be honest...his arms are huge...but they look like shit...theres no shape there, all mass....
Sergio and Arnold are tied genetic wise.
grab an umbrella...please show me where I said Sergio had the perfect arm ?. I was just disputing the fact that his arms look like shit, which I will say again is one of the stupiest statements I have ever heard. Would you say Arnold had shitty arms because he had weak triceps in comparison with his biceps peak ?. I love how the recent trend on the boards is to say because Sergio didn't have cuts like Andreas Munzer, that he is somehow an inferior bodybuilder. 99.9 % of bodybuilders from that era didn't have "cuts".
SERGIO!!!!!
Sergio and Arnold are tied genetic wise. What it comes down to is conditioning and Arnold wins on that. I'd rather have oliva's physique though.
Golden Shower should start reminding us that Menzter could beat any of those guys! ::)
Sergio had the better structure. Arnold was 6 feet to 6 '1. That is why he looks dominated by Arnold in some shots. But overall he had the better structure.Tiny waist great proportions.But lets not make Arnold to be a gh gut. His waist appeared tiny in most all his shots and only was 34 inches contest ready. That is not large at all for a man of 6'1. Retards lie about there waist measurement all the time. I doubt Sergio's was a legit 28. More like 29 - 30 imo. Arnold had better arms. Yes Sergio had better triceps but his arms as mentioned before had no shape and zero peak to the bicep. While fantastic they are not as good as Arnie's. Chest goes to Arnold hands down. Legs are the same size. But again Sergio has no detail while Arnie has separation ahead of his time. Early in his career Sergio has better calves but later Arnie had bigger and better calves. Arnold presented better condition then Sergio also. If Sergio had gotten more ripped then he would have beat Arnie more times then he did. But he did not.
Arnold looks better in the original shots provided. Just plain reality.
Highly opinionated CRAP. No objectivity whatsoever-legs were not the same size, which discredits all your other "observations". ;D
Highly opinionated CRAP, without admitting that you're an Arnold groupie. No objectivity-legs were not the same size, which discredits all your other "observations". ;D
Legs were not the same size, AND Oliva was shorter = big advantage. That's not even considering Schwarzenegger's non-existent hams.. ;D
You post a picture of sergio at a favorable angle. I will post one of Arnie. Legs/calves look bigger here.
If you'd read the proceeding pages, you'd have known that the pic you posted is not representative, because (1) Oliva was farther back from the camera, (2) wasn't tensing, and (3) didn't have legs properly posed.
The other pic is when those factors are eliminated, is the accurate one. Sorry to burst your bubble with reality. :'(
Here's some more reality, Sergio owning Schwarzenegger on taper, back, tris, legs, delts... ;D Big difference in waist size, contrary to your misinfo.
Really? Looks to me the same thing could be said for this comparison you have posted. Arnold look to be relaxed while sergio is tensing his muscle.
Really? Looks to me the same thing could be said for this comparison you have posted. Arnold look to be relaxed while sergio is tensing his muscle.
Sergio and Arnold are tied genetic wise. What it comes down to is conditioning and Arnold wins on that. I'd rather have oliva's physique though.
Arnold was the best BBer in the world in 73' through 75'. No one came close those yrs.
Untrue; this is your opinion only.
So what makes it untrue? I could say your opinion is untrue.
Only a lightweight would make such a black & white claim about '73-75, someone lacking sufficient initiative to find out otherwise. If you did it becomes purely a matter of personal preference, no one's clearly better in that time frame. Arnold did not come in his best condition 73-74 by accident; he was expecting Oliva to show up.
Besides which, it was Arnold who refused to accept Oliva's challenge at a non-Weider contest in '74. You say he was so great but he was too much of a pussy to come out of the audience, while Columbu did. You were too busy worshipping Schwarzenegger's balls to get all the facts first. ;)
Only a lightweight would make such a black & white claim about '73-75, someone lacking sufficient initiative to find out otherwise. If you did it becomes purely a matter of personal preference, no one's clearly better in that time frame. Arnold did not come in his best condition 73-74 by accident; he was expecting Oliva to show up.
Besides which, it was Arnold who refused to accept Oliva's challenge at a non-Weider contest in '74. You say he was so great but he was too much of a pussy to come out of the audience, while Columbu did. You were too busy worshipping Schwarzenegger's balls to get all the facts first. ;)
Only a lightweight would make such a black & white claim about '73-75, someone lacking sufficient initiative to find out otherwise. If you did it becomes purely a matter of personal preference, no one's clearly better in that time frame. Arnold did not come in his best condition 73-74 by accident; he was expecting Oliva to show up.
Besides which, it was Arnold who refused to accept Oliva's challenge at a non-Weider contest in '74. You say he was so great but he was too much of a pussy to come out of the audience, while Columbu did. You were too busy worshipping Schwarzenegger's balls to get all the facts first. ;)
Arnold is flexing his legs. Arnold's Chest is bigger but that's it. Sergio has better lats, arms. Here is another pic from that same Olympia. Even Sergio's calves are bigger and longer.
Man you don't know a God damn thing , prepare pumpster because you're going to get your ass handed to you ; First of all genius the contest was an I.F.B.B. contest and it was in 1973 NOT 1974
It was the 1973 Mr International held in Mexico , Sergio entered the contest and won then he had the epiphany to challenge Arnold to see who is the worlds best built man , now mind you Sergio lost 3 straight times to Arnold and once to Bill Pearl but he wanted to act the role
Arnold asked Weider if he should go onstage and Weider said " no " Joe got on mike and told Sergio if he wanted a crack at Arnold he should wait until the 1973 Mr Olympia which was held in New York one month later , Sergio wanted NO part of it , he insisted they face each other now . Sergio trained specifically for the Mr International and Arnold was in the final phase of his Olympia prep , so he thought if he could catch an off Arnold he'd have a better chance of beating him , again Sergio was invited to compete at the Olympia and he REFUSED
Franco decided to accept Sergio's challenge and after the two exchanged shots the promoter of the show held up the hands of both men indicating a TIE ! Sergio couldn't beat Franco and he was supposed to beat Arnold ::) and Sergio himself said he was just 218 pounds for the Mr International , Arnold would have crushed him another fact is Sergio ' won ' the Mr International title for 1973 but was later stripped for competing in a WBBG contest he was also suspended for competing in a non-IFBB sanctioned contest and he never returned until 1984
So do yourself a favor do some research before commenting on things you don't even know , because you look like more of an idiot ( is that possible? ) than usual.
You are a cock
Arnold is better.
Wayyy better huh? That comment kills your credibility. He may have been better. But he was not "wayyyy" better. You make it sound like Arnie was not even close lol. Only problem was Arnie looked better. Maybe if Sergio shut his face and got ripped he might have actually won more contests :-\
Thats funny, most people remember it as Arnold wouldnt except the challenge, and franco the runt got smoked
Who is most people? and it was Sergio who wanted no part of Arnold at the 73 Olympia which he was invited to compete in and the promoter of the show raised both Franco & Sergios arms declaring a draw .
Wayyy better huh? That comment kills your credibility. He may have been better. But he was not "wayyyy" better. You make it sound like Arnie was not even close lol. Only problem was Arnie looked better. Maybe if Sergio shut his face and got ripped he might have actually won more contests :-\
How many more times was Sergio expected to let Weider pack it in his ass??? the promoter took the easy way out.
Again with the Weider cop out , Sergio lost to Bill Pearl in a NABBA contest NOT IFBB and this was in 1971 while under the training of Arther Jones no less . like Sergio his fans are full of excuses .
This contest?
Bill Pearl has a cool physique 8)
Sergio should feel ashamed of himself for competing against to naturals! ;D
Natural as Palumbo ;D , If Palumbo ever was to be drug tested, his urine would melt the bottle ;D
lol if he would ever be tested it would be so toxic he could dry a whole sea!
Palumbo is so toxic, he could re-use his urine and shoot it back into him, twice the value ;D
Ouch! Palumbo is so toxic he could recreate the whole sewer system with a drop of sweat!
This contest?
Bill Pearl has a cool physique 8)