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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Croatch on December 08, 2006, 10:40:12 AM
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
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no,,
usually gym rats use just as much,,they are just scared to diet/lose weight and get smaller inorder to step on stage. there are many exellent physiqes i see in gyms around that if they had the time and the balls,,,would go quite far. but they dont
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yes i think so. i'm 243lbs without ever eating any steroids.
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
yes, crotch, it's okay if you up your cycle even if you don't have a show coming up. don't worry about it, we don't care.
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Do you munch on dbol or something?
well i don't know anything about steroids, all i know is they have a lot of protein.
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gh...have you ever heard of someone using estrogen pills/birth control to fool a blood test to get a script? I heard it could work to balance test levels.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
no
you need to kill me and stuff it in my stomack if you want me to take estrogen tabs
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Crotch is such a bald junkie ::)
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yes, crotch, it's okay if you up your cycle even if you don't have a show coming up. don't worry about it, we don't care.
Crotch doesn't look like a juicer.
You suggest he start hitting the steroids?
YIP
Zack
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i heard you should grind up estrogen tabs and put them in the water for your hydroponics system and your weed plants will grow bigger buds.
:P
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
You might have a point. But the heaviest "juicers" and the most irrational ones I've seen never stepped onstage ever.
Have you?
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
Croatchie....
People who megadose AAS have various justifications for their behaviour.
For some it's addiction, both a mental and physical one.
For others, it's just a reason to abuse a drug, just one that happens to be anabolic in nature opposed to catabolic.
I think it's high-time you stopped asking the bullshit questions, Croatcher, and joined up with the DarkSide.
At least you can be part of something for once instead of just a casual observer on the outside looking in.
Take a chance in life, bro.
DIV
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well i don't know anything about steroids, all i know is they have a lot of protein.
Is this guy for real?! What a dumb cvunt!!! Go shoot yourself, TurdBrains, and do mankind a tremendous favor!
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I always thought so. :)
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'Naturals' are always obsessed about steroids for some reason.
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I think it's high-time you stopped asking the bullshit questions, Croatcher, and joined up with the DarkSide.
At least you can be part of something for once instead of just a casual observer on the outside looking in.
Take a chance in life, bro.
Hey, I might as well do some coke and heroin, so I can be part of something and not just an outsider looking in. Life is about taking chances, don't be a pussy, do some blow. You're just scared of hard drugs, that's all.
Great comment. ;)
If I wanted to do gear now, I would. I enjoy lifting without it and realize on or off, you will always max out some day. Something about doing it natural to me, seems like it requires more balls. If it were harder to take drugs, I'd probably go that route again.
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Croatch takes like a gram a week of shit. Great physique though.
Are you spreading lies MaxC?
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Croatch takes like a gram a week of shit. Great physique though.
I doubt it. He looks natty to me.
YIP
Zack
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I doubt it. He looks natty to me.
YIP
Zack
Me 2. Except for the receding hairline but that could be natural too.
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People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.
Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.
I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.
I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.
Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.
I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.
I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.
Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.
The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.
As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.
So before you point fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years
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Me 2. Except for the receding hairline but that could be natural too.
No, that is from poor hair genetics.
Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years
You didn't have to, you chose to in order to stay competitive in bodybuilding.
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People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed.I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics.A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it.The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they?No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.So before you point fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years
I thought you had learnt your lesson its all good and well making a post with lots of content but please paragraphs!! ;D
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Who cares if it is or isn't? It's not hurting you.
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Props to Croatch for keeping it "real" and setting an example.
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Props to Croatch for keeping it "real" and setting an example.
AAS is no less natural than beef. It's just deemed that way by society. However, as we know, society can, and frequently does, get things wrong.
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AAS is no less natural than beef. It's just deemed that way by society. However, as we know, society can, and frequently does, get things wrong.
That's a retarded argument.
Do you realise how retarded that is?
I've seen studies showing people engaging in everday activities gaining muscle faster on test, then natural trainers. With that kind of power, there's no reason to be impressed by these bloated "bodybuilders." Most people just look at them as juice monkeys cus that's what they are.
And no, let's not mince words. That's semantics you're engaging in. When people say "natural" they mean without the aid of synthetic hormones. You know that and so does everyone else. You're trying to placate yourself by resorting to semantics. Like I said, these guys aren't impressive. None of them, save the top pros.
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AAS is no less natural than beef. It's just deemed that way by society. However, as we know, society can, and frequently does, get things wrong.
Agreed on that. Cocaine is natural too. It's from the coca plant.
(http://www.cocaine.org/justsayno.jpg)
Maybe I'll wear that on a t-shirt. ALL NATURAL!!
Whether something is natural or not, is irrelevant. It's the road you take to get where you are that counts in my book.
You're trying to placate yourself by resorting to semantics.
I need to incorporate those two words into one sentence. I'll have women drooling over me.
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Sorry to break it to you Debussey, but Croatch uses tons of gear. Like a gram a week not to mention copious dbol use.
What kind of proof do you have?
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Sorry to break it to you Debussey, but Croatch uses tons of gear. Like a gram a week not to mention copious dbol use.
Matt C is correct. He lives in my bathroom, under my sink and knows all about my gear usage.
What kind of proof do you have?
He probaby has photos and video, but is waiting until I'm mainstream to release the footage to Hardcopy to earn a paycheck.
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Crotch doesn't look like a juicer.
You suggest he start hitting the steroids?
YIP
Zack
crotch doesn't look like it, but he exhibits the clearest traits of a juicer trying to act like he doesn't. he's the equivalent of the closeted homo that spends all of his time gay-bashing.
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crotch doesn't look like it, but he exhibits the clearest traits of a juicer trying to act like he doesn't. he's the equivalent of the closeted homo that spends all of his time gay-bashing.
Yeah, whatever fag! ;D
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Yeah, whatever fag! ;D
but... but... :'(
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crotch doesn't look like it, but he exhibits the clearest traits of a juicer trying to act like he doesn't. he's the equivalent of the closeted homo that spends all of his time gay-bashing.
But Zach, aren't you...bi?
I thought I remember you posting a long time ago that you experimented, or had fantasies... ???
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Croach,
Why do you think your lifting partner does such heavy gear usage? And he doesnt even compete anymore. I say its a self esteem issue.
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People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.
Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.
I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.
I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.
Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.
I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.
I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.
Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.
The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.
As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.
So before you point fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years
Mark McGwire was big?
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Croach,
Why do you think your lifting partner does such heavy gear usage? And he doesnt even compete anymore. I say its a self esteem issue.
The last time I lifted with someone was in 03' and he doesn't juice. You're probably confusing him with your life partner.
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No, I am talking about the guy who gave u advice on your g/f. lol pretty bad u had to go to him for advice anyway
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Whether something is natural or not, is irrelevant. It's the road you take to get where you are that counts in my book.
Why is the harder way the better way? Is a natural bb more noble in some way? Is using steroids the easier way anyway? Sticking needles in your body every day and worrying about rotting your insides gets old after a while and can be a very hard road to travel.
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Why did TA break Zach G's trust?
Magoo=Zach.
Poor Magoo now faces an account deletion if he is to save any face.
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People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.
Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.
I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.
I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.
Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.
I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.
I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.
Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.
The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.
As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.
So before you point fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years
Yes, there is actually avery potent replacement for steroids, without the side effects like ball shrinkage and gyno..the natural secret is bee pollen... ;)
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That's a retarded argument.
Do you realise how retarded that is?
I've seen studies showing people engaging in everday activities gaining muscle faster on test, then natural trainers. With that kind of power, there's no reason to be impressed by these bloated "bodybuilders." Most people just look at them as juice monkeys cus that's what they are.
And no, let's not mince words. That's semantics you're engaging in. When people say "natural" they mean without the aid of synthetic hormones. You know that and so does everyone else. You're trying to placate yourself by resorting to semantics. Like I said, these guys aren't impressive. None of them, save the top pros.
Hormones are as synthetic as protein powder, dehydrated milk and frozen beef.
Natural= naturally occuring. Body produces test. Test is natural. Full stop.
If most people thought the earth was at the centre of the solar system (read history), I guess you'd say that this means the earth was at the centre of the solar system, then?
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shit all the hundreds of thousands of woman using estrogen---------------are they scumbags and drug addicts in ur eyes too croatch
its all hormones------someone using hormones to become feminine are fine and acceptable but for a man to become stronger and bigger-------------------well it usaually elicits this typical jealous, threatened attitude--------------------------------------why is that?
why do u have so much hate and negativity towards people who aren't affecting ur life Croatch?
I dont use gear but if someone wants to then fine----just like if someone wants to smoke ciggarettes or do drugs----------------it aint me using them so f)ck it
why are u such a tight ass hater croatch?
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shit all the hundreds of thousands of woman using estrogen---------------are they scumbags and drug addicts in ur eyes too croatch
its all hormones------someone using hormones to become feminine are fine and acceptable but for a man to become stronger and bigger-------------------well it usaually elicits this typical jealous, threatened attitude--------------------------------------why is that?
why do u have so much hate and negativity towards people who aren't affecting ur life Croatch?
I dont use gear but if someone wants to then fine----just like if someone wants to smoke ciggarettes or do drugs----------------it aint me using them so f)ck it
why are u such a tight ass hater croatch?
Meltdown :-X
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Meltdown :-X
Croatch doesn't hate them, it's just part of his online persona. It's not like when he falls asleep at night it's to the sight of counting corpses of steroid-related deaths. ;D
At least I don't think it is...
Well I hope it's not ;D
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It's not an excuse if you've reached your genetical limit naturally. It's just a means to an end to compete with the bigger guys.
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Meltdown :-X
meltdown----come on Croatch even u have to agree I made a valid point-----------Estrogen is acceptable and fine because it doesn't encite this jealous, threatened attitude that the majority of males feel about other guys being bigger and stronger than them
Answer the question Croatch---"do u feel a woman taking estrogen is as corrupt and f*cked up as a man taking testosterone?"----and why do u feel this way?
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Croatchie....
People who megadose AAS have various justifications for their behaviour.
For some it's addiction, both a mental and physical one.
For others, it's just a reason to abuse a drug, just one that happens to be anabolic in nature opposed to catabolic.
I think it's high-time you stopped asking the bullshit questions, Croatcher, and joined up with the DarkSide.
At least you can be part of something for once instead of just a casual observer on the outside looking in.
Take a chance in life, bro.
DIV
I couldn't agree more.
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Croatch has an obsession against steroids and steroid users.I say to Croatch get over it all ready, lol.If guys want to use gear thats there choice, not yours, you cant control the world.Croatch you have a great physique for a natural guy, but you never stepped on stage and had to deal with the pressures of having to please the fans.
I went as far as a possibly could naturally I was 255lbs ,bench pressing 500 lbs and curling 225 for 4 reps, so I was pushing myself to the utmost limit .I was literally stuck at 255lbs after being there for 4 years and I just couldnt grow anymore.I won most of the natural shows I entered except Team Universe and Musclemania, but those shows are far from natural.So what does a natural do when he is 33 years ols genetically maxed out and went as far he could possibly go naturally????
I could have used anabolics and entered Muscle Mania, and TU and won them both.But instead I did the noble thing and eneter non tested shows like the Mr USA..
I understand Croatch you hate the fact that bodybuilders use steroids, but what sprot doest these days.Croatch you just train to look good so you can bang as many big titied broads as you can because your a dirty little beast.You dont work out to compete or look good on stage, so you would never understnd the pressures of having to use steroids
Croatch get over the Napleaon complex my friend and come by my house and I will give you a shot of testosterone to make you feel better okay, lmao........
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"Croatch you just train to look good so you can bang as many big titied broads as you can because your a dirty little beast"
:D
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well i don't know anything about steroids, all i know is they have a lot of protein.
lmao, man this one takes the cake
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People use anabolics for plain and simple reasons if you dont use them and you get your ass on stage at a national level you will get your assed spanked.If you people think these guys who claim to be natural and place at national level shows dont use gear your fooling yourselves.
Yes I used gear, but f**k it alteast I man enough to admit it.I have seen guys and have known guys who were on types of gear enter natural shows.These days even the guys in local shows used more gear then I did when I went into the USA's.
I am not saying drugs are right, because I wish all bodybuilders didnt use drugs, but drugs arent going away its always going to be apart of bodybuilding.People use steroids out of pressure, I know I have been there.I naturally qualified for the Mr USA.
I was totally drug free at the time 33 years old, and off season 255 lbs and competing at 216-220lbs after training for 14-15 years.I was genetically maxed out, and what was I going to do, enter the Mr USA naturally? I could have, but I would have gotten totally killed. I would have been a 5'11" heavyweight at about 216-220 lbs which is not impressive on a big boned man on the national level.
Most of the guys who enter national shows as heavyweights are 5'6-5'8" have small bones and are shredded.Plus conditioning, is another thing a natural guy looks decently hard until you put him against a shredded guy on anabolics. A person on anabolics has rounder fuller muscle bellies , there muscles are twice as dence, and they get twice as hard a a "real " natural guy.
I tip my hat off to all natural guys, because I know how hard it really is to be natural.But there is literally no replacement for steroids, and there is no way around them if you want to go big time in bodybuilding.Its a shame that "REAL " natural shows dont get alot of publicity because the athletes deserve it. The unfortunate thing is most people go to bodybuilding shows to see freaks, not guys who look good.
I was one of the biggest "all natural "bodybuilders in the INBA after 15 years of training, and I could hold a candle to most guys in open national bodybuilding.People go to topless bars to see average looking girls with average size boobs do they? No they go there to see big chested hot looking slutty women, another words freaks.Society is to blame for athletes using steroids.
Take a look at baseball, the sport was slowly starting to die until big Mark Macguire got on the sauce and started knocking the ball out of the park.If you think he didnt use anabolics your kidding yourself, I have one of his rookie cards and he was like 145 lbs as a rookie.When he was a his peak he was 250 lbs from Androstene, ?lol I dont think so.
The bottom line is yes it would be nice if steroids werent invented, but the sad truth is they are here to stay like it or not.
As long as the fans and the promoters keep wanting the athletes or bodybuilders to be bigger stronger and faster, the more steroids they will use.You cant blame the athletes, that is there lively hood, and they are paid to perform, if they dont perform, they lose there job or get repelced.In a perfect world there would be no steroids, but infornatly our world isnt perfect and niether are the athletes.
So before you point fingers at athletes who use anabolics, you may want to look at the reason why they are using them.Trust me from an athlete who did use anabolics up until a year ago, I wish I didnt have to after being natural for 15 years
Good post, brotha.
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Answer the question Croatch---"do u feel a woman taking estrogen is as corrupt and f*cked up as a man taking testosterone?"----and why do u feel this way?
No.
Croatch has an obsession against steroids and steroid users.I say to Croatch get over it all ready, lol.If guys want to use gear thats there choice, not yours, you cant control the world.Croatch you have a great physique for a natural guy, but you never stepped on stage and had to deal with the pressures of having to please the fans.
You should never take something to please some strange crowd of tranny/muscleworshipping fruitcakes.
You chose to see how far you could take your physique through drug use, but you had a physique to begin with through years of hard work and dedication. Big difference from the douchebag who decides to get into lifting and wants to be "hardcore" like the "pros", so blast a bunch of gear, then look worse than me. Those people will always be pathetic to me, anyway you break it down. It's just the majority of people who use gear, that give it a bad name.
Croatch get over the Napleaon complex my friend and come by my house and I will give you a shot of testosterone to make you feel better okay, lmao........
Are you saying 5' 7 1/2" is short? ;D
Shouldn't you be making love to your online trannypet, Kegdrainer? ;)
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Croatch, who is that chump you workout with at LVAC?
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No.You should never take something to please some strange crowd of tranny/muscleworshipping fruitcakes.
Does this include protein powder?
Or beef, if you want to get big to impress people? ???
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Does this include protein powder?
Or beef, if you want to get big to impress people? ???
You probably shouldn't take up BBing if all you want to do is impress people.
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I've got a feeling that accounts for somewhere between 98-99% of the people doing it , though.
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I've got a feeling that accounts for somewhere between 98-99% of the people doing it , though.
Probably right. I meant more along the lines of serious BBing (competing).
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Fair call. Yeah, I started out for those reasons- but I moved away from them after a few years. I think most lifters who stay in it for that long do.
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Did you get onstage or just hoped to compete one day?
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Did you get onstage or just hoped to compete one day?
I hope to compete- I've only been training for six years. How about you?
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I reckon 6 years is more than enough if you've been eating/training right. I trained for about 2 yrs with a very bad nutritional plan and looked basically the same as when I started! Eating is 50% of the struggle.
I hope to compete next year, around the time or Mr. Getbig. The thrill of competition is a big draw for me. Getting up there, doing a mindblowing routine and getting cheers from the crowd. What more could you ask for?
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Yeah, that would be awesome.
I wonder how badly competitive bodybuilders get stage fright?
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
of course many people use competing as a way to rationalize the heavy drug use to themselves. but many more compete for the love of it and know that they will not achieve the level of physique they desire without the proper tools
would you ride a bike everywhere because cars are "unnatural" and more dangerous? our just use the more efficient vehicle even though it is "dangerous, unnatural, and dirty" if you prefer bike races to car races then enter those instead - but don't hate on the race car drivers because they go faster than you
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of course many people use competing as a way to rationalize the heavy drug use to themselves. but many more compete for the love of it and know that they will not achieve the level of physique they desire without the proper tools
would you ride a bike everywhere because cars are "unnatural" and more dangerous? our just use the more efficient vehicle even though it is "dangerous, unnatural, and dirty" if you prefer bike races to car races then enter those instead - but don't hate on the race car drivers because they go faster than you
So true. No need for hating based on drug use. If you don't respect them, that's your opinion, but it just brings bad vibes and is pretty tedius to hear the same group hating on eachother. Jealousy manifests itself in many different ways, and dissing someone because they're what you aren't is one of them.
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Jealousy manifests itself in many different ways, and dissing someone because they're what you aren't is one of them.
Agreed. I don't go around bashing gay people or races of people or fat people. Only the shortcutters who want a pat on the back cause they made completely average gains for a basic cycle. I love these guys! Jokers.
Yeah, putting someone down because they're not like you, is a poor way to be. There are many not like me, but I don't knock them, just this one special category.
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
agreed but then again i see assholes doing mega cycles just to look half decent going to a club so who knows i know i barely do shit compared to the people i compete against
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but then again i see assholes doing mega cycles just to look half decent going to a club
Yes. Megadouchebags.
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Do you think most people use the "competing" excuse, for the reason they abuse drugs?
For example: "Well, I have a "show" coming up, so I'm going to do a mega cycle.
It semi-justifies the abundant usage and makes it seem rational.
What's your opinion?
One can understand the logic of a BB/fitness/figure amateur, or pro., competitor juicin'/doping because he/she thinks that they have to do so keep up with the competition, that they assume is juicin'/doping as well...i.e. the age-old mindset of "do anything to try and get a competitive edge"!
However, what is absolutely INSANE are the legions of RECREATIONAL BBers who "juice/dope to the gills and never have any intention of competing!?? Individuals who are so insecure, and impatient for rapid gains, that they will risk throwing away their health and longevity "with both hands" just for a few extra inches/pounds of muscle size in shorter periods of time and with less effort. Talk about not playing with a full deck!!
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I do steroids because i love the way they make me feel. Show or no show. When Im on I am the alpha male. I grow faster or get leaner, and feel great.
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i heard you should grind up estrogen tabs and put them in the water for your hydroponics system and your weed plants will grow bigger buds.
:P
if that is true -- I am going to go inject my plant with the depo shot
or order some orthotricycline from Vince G!!
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I do steroids because i love the way they make me feel. Show or no show. When Im on I am the alpha male. I grow faster or get leaner, and feel great.
This goes along with the warped mentality/thinking of a bunch of teenagers who, when given the question: "if they could take some drug that would make them "famous" and then they later be dead by age 25" (words to the effect), would they take it?! The majority answered "yes"!??
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Wrong i am 22 and have been bodybuilding for almost 5 years. This is my first year using. I am 5' 10 and was at a natural plateau around 199- 207lbs. I am currently bulking and almost at a pretty lean 220 lbs. I love this sport or hobby, whatever you wanna call it. Mega cycles are for retards. I am all about basics... nothing even remotley out of the ordinary. If you absolutly love lifting, whats wrong with performing at my maximum potential?
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Why does Croatch start threads like this when he's on tons of shit?
Monster delusions. If I were on, I'd want a rebate.
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Its all about show one responds to the gear taken. A gram is a lot of shit. I never go that high and i am making sweet gains keeping sides at a min. Until one absolutly needs to take doseages in excess of a gram, i dont recommend that for anybody.
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Didn't you used to do steroids Croatch?
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Didn't you used to do steroids Croatch?
Croatch, is this true?
Have you taken 'AAS' before?
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Croatch, is this true?
Have you taken 'AAS' before?
Yeah. I used to smoke weed, collect baseball cards, and jack off to the JcPenny bra section too, then I grew up.
I saw what a joke it was to obtain gains on gear and realized it was not for me, so I did one cycle and stopped...13 years ago. Kept zero gains, gained 70lbs without the use of drugs since 2002. I wonder why I'm unimpressed when somebody gains 15lbs off a cycle and walks around the gym like they're going to the Olympia? Classic. These clowns make me laugh every day. Get some real gains bro.
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Monster delusions. If I were on, I'd want a rebate.
For someone who says he doesnt do roids, you ALWAYS bring up the subject in your threads. You admitted to doing them in the past and it's obvious you think about roids ALL THE TIME, so just admit you loved em and that you are in fact doing them now.
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Yeah. I used to smoke weed, collect baseball cards, and jack off to the JcPenny bra section too, then I grew up.
I saw what a joke it was to obtain gains on gear and realized it was not for me, so I did one cycle and stopped...13 years ago. Kept zero gains, gained 70lbs without the use of drugs since 2002. I wonder why I'm unimpressed when somebody gains 15lbs off a cycle and walks around the gym like they're going to the Olympia? Classic. These clowns make me laugh every day. Get some real gains bro.
Congratulations Croatch, you got smart early on in your weight-training career!
Like yourself, I gained approximately 75 lbs. of muscular bodyweight in a year-and-one-half (through all-natural weight-training) and had a physique good enough at the approximate end of that period that no less than the great John Grimek thought my physique was good enough to be really competitive in the Teen-Age Mr. America, even though my "specialty" was Olympic weightlifting at the time.
The sad part about the doper's BB efforts (beyond the health and shortened life-span risks) is that they will never know how much of their strength/development progress was due to drugs, or was the result of natural increases.
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Croatch
your full of shit your not 5'7 1/2" your maybe 5'5' tops, if your lucky.My wife is 5'6" and towered above your ass, like a mother looking down on a child.Croatch is so short he has to use a step sool or wear boots with those platforms just so he doesnt look so short.Croatch is a dirty little beat that only works out to bang bit bittied bimbos, you strippers ,cocktail matresses, what ever have has big tities weather it has 4 legs he wil try to bang it
Here is a picture of Croatch before he started training
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Yeah. I used to smoke weed, collect baseball cards, and jack off to the JcPenny bra section too, then I grew up.
I saw what a joke it was to obtain gains on gear and realized it was not for me, so I did one cycle and stopped...13 years ago. Kept zero gains, gained 70lbs without the use of drugs since 2002. I wonder why I'm unimpressed when somebody gains 15lbs off a cycle and walks around the gym like they're going to the Olympia? Classic. These clowns make me laugh every day. Get some real gains bro.
Fair call. If we were all held victims of the mistakes in our pasts, we would never be able to make observations.
But do you regard your past-self with the same hatred as the others?
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Agreed. I don't go around bashing gay people or races of people or fat people. Only the shortcutters who want a pat on the back cause they made completely average gains for a basic cycle. I love these guys! Jokers.
Yeah, putting someone down because they're not like you, is a poor way to be. There are many not like me, but I don't knock them, just this one special category.
I've never seen a juicer want a 'pat on the back' for stacking on muscle/winning a show. Even if they did, so what? They've shown they can do it, albeit it much easier than a natural. In BBing in general (competitive or recreational), it's all about how you look outside of the gym (and for some, inside), not the journey it takes to look that way.
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Croatch
your full of shit your not 5'7 1/2" your maybe 5'5' tops, if your lucky.My wife is 5'6" and towered above your ass, like a mother looking down on a child.Croatch is so short he has to use a step sool or wear boots with those platforms just so he doesnt look so short.Croatch is a dirty little beat that only works out to bang bit bittied bimbos, you strippers ,cocktail matresses, what ever have has big tities weather it has 4 legs he wil try to bang it
Duhhh...ugh...grunt...yu k...yuk...and fum youse dumass spellin' and grammur, youse nevur made it pas da 8th gwade!!
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Duhhh...ugh...grunt...yuk...yuk...and fum youse dumb spellin' and grammur, youse nevur made it pas da 8th gwade!!
hahahaha, gotta agree with you here Richard, "GetitonNY" is a typical NY italian greaseball moron.
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Fair call. If we were all held victims of the mistakes in our pasts, we would never be able to make observations.
But do you regard your past-self with the same hatred as the others?
I wouldn't say hatred at all. Nor do I hate someone who juices. For me, it comes down to going against what bodybuilding should be. If I take a pill that gives me another 20lbs, but I'm putting in the same work and effort, I would derive no satisfaction from this. Sure, it would put me past a plateau for now. When I plateau again, then what...take more or more of something else...and so on. Whether you're on or not, you will always plateau one day.
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I wouldn't say hatred at all. Nor do I hate someone who juices. For me, it comes down to going against what bodybuilding should be. If I take a pill that gives me another 20lbs, but I'm putting in the same work and effort, I would derive no satisfaction from this. Sure, it would put me past a plateau for now. When I plateau again, then what...take more or more of something else...and so on. Whether you're on or not, you will always plateau one day.
Do you feel the same way about whey- as they surely aid muscular growth?
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Do you feel the same way about whey- as they surely aid muscular growth?
No. If I stopped taking whey protein, I wouldn't lose 30% of my gains.
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i stopped taking whey and there is no difference
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i stopped taking whey and there is no difference
Dude, you're avatar is too much. Nice coloring on the DA original.
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No. If I stopped taking whey protein, I wouldn't lose 30% of my gains.
Fair call. What about small cycles with good PCT and post cycle training, eating and rest, then?
No mass lost- or negligable.
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What do you think? I'm sure juicers can rationalize it any way. Why do people smoke dope? SHoot up? I doubt a "show" is their first reason. I would say insecurity.
Yeah I agree, but then we all know that drugs are a part of the sport. So it would be like saying that a Basketball Player has an obsession for basketballs??