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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alex23 on December 08, 2006, 01:30:44 PM
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What makes fat people unattractive ?
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Disgust!
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In Asia...they dont have access to the amount of food we do or the types of food we have. Plus a lot of Asian countries can be considered third world and poor.
I think a lot of Asian men have great builds...Alan Ichinose, Chris Faildo, Kris Dim...ect....
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Lots of great Asian bodybuilders.
Sami Al-Haddad, Samir Bannout, Ahmed Haider.
YIP
Zack
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Bad genes? I dont think so. A lot of filipino men have great physiques!
Look at Stan McQuay...he is part asian and has an ideal physique
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I don't know if you can make such a broad statement. There have been some standout Asian bodybuilders and lifters. If you want the look at physical specimens wouldn't Samoan's be considered Asian's?
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Samoans can not be considered asians..they are considered polynesians
American Indians are actually asians (mongoloids)
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You guys dont know who youre talking to..I should be an expert since Im half filipino...
Filipino men have beautiful physiques if put on a bodybuilding program and a bodybuilding diet
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Lebanese right? I thought we were talking Oriental here.
Good calves and arms. Filipino men can put on Weight....not exactly a BBing ethnicity.
Fat and strong, not BBers.
Ok.
I thought we were discussing "What makes Asians mediocre bodybuilders?"
YIP
Zack
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cap 86 said
Oh, well hell. I guess I am an expert on Italian men being pimps with women since I am Italian huh?
I thought black men were supposed to be the pimps with women?
Someone post up a pic of Romeo Villarino. Filipino bodybuilder with great genetics!
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Small structures!
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Oh, well hell. I guess I am an expert on Italian men being pimps with women since I am Italian huh?
I thought you were American?
YIP
Zack
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I hope you guys arent trying to say that Asians have the worst genetics for bodybuilding...this isnt true.
I would think that with the right supplementation and hard core training, anyone can build a decent physique....granted there are limitations that deals with genetics such as round muscle bellies and insertions but I would think every ethnicity has something to bring to the table...
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Lebanese right? I thought we were talking Oriental here.
Good calves and arms. Filipino men can put on Weight....not exactly a BBing ethnicity.
Fat and strong, not BBers.
I wouldn't say fat and strong. Many Samoans are gifted physical specimens and great athletes. They would be standouts in bodybuilding or strength sports if they participated.
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It's mainly environment-diet & training knowledge & equipment. Same thing would apply to African bodybuilders. Fatten them up for a while. Aside from that, of course there are some genetic differences but that's not as big a part, IMO. Even easier to train Amerasians, who've been part of the lifestyle here for a long while and are already bigger.
Same thing with Amerasian girls, they have western more pronounced curves in the right places from the lifestyle here. :-*
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What makes fat people unattractive ?
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Appologize to JJ, wasn't intended at you little biatch...
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It's mainly diet & training. Even easier if you take Amerasians who've been part of the lifestyle here for a long while.
Agree... There's a lot of soy in the diet and wouldn't be surprised if the phyto estrogen have a developmental effect on the long run...
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Does that explain Dim's leg size or his conditioning? Would he need synthol if it were just diet and training?
There will still be some general genetic trends, such as blacks with high, smallish calves, but most of the difference is from the other stuff IMO.
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Lots of great Asian bodybuilders.
Sami Al-Haddad, Samir Bannout, Ahmed Haider.
YIP
Zack
do you know what azn actually means?
you named all arab bbers.
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I see you dissing and putting people down all the time. At least I post pics. Where are the pics of your superior shape and structure?
Me? I don't have superior size. My dissing came mostly yesterday at the expense of Guidos. I chastised them not for build but for plain old faggotry. Next question? I will be posting new pics soon, but guess what son? I don't claim to be a pimp magnet, huge BBer or anything else on here like you and other people because 1.) I don't need to impress people I don't know, and 2.) for all you know it could be bullshit and 3.) bragging about "skills" usually means you are lying and compensating.
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Most asians don't have the genetics for size and mass in the same proportional numbers that other races/ethnicities do.
Bolo Yeung is the exception.....
That nugg would do well as a bodybuilder or powerlifter.
DIV
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cap 86 said
Someone post up a pic of Romeo Villarino. Filipino bodybuilder with great genetics!
Had size, but terrible genetics, the highest lats in the world. I wonder why he didn't last long at all, I don't even think he got his pro card. All pics of him were those of him in "off-season model" mode. He looked black (skin tone). Had hair longer than most females....I thought the guy was in the G4P scene.
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do you know what azn actually means?
you named all arab bbers.
Yeah, I am pretty sure I know what Asian means.
I just watched Hossein Rezazadeh of Iran win the superheavyweight, and Jaber Salem of Qatar getting 2nd in the Asian Games, Weightlifting.
Do you know what Asian means?
YIP
Zack
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NFL, fat and strong. If you look at their arms, they are big but are full of fat. Strength sports for sure, not sure about BBing.
Sonny Schmidt did ok in bodybuilding, eh?
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I thought he was Aussie. Even so, one guy with limited success correct?
Sonny Schmidt, the Samoan bodybuilder known for his quiet intensity and balanced physique, died of cancer in Melbourne, Australia, on January 25. The winner of the 1995 Masters Olympia, Schmidt was diagnosed with the disease in December 2003 and was told by doctors that he did not have long to live. Schmidt died at his Melbourne home surrounded by family and friends. He was 50 years old.
Born Edmond Alten Schmidt in New Zealand on September 19, 1953, Schmidt grew up on the small South Pacific island of Western Samoa. Eventually, he found his way to Australia, where he earned his pro card in 1989. He quickly distinguished himself on the IFBB circuit with his thick powerfully built musculature. The 5'10" 240-pound bodybuilder would compete in nearly 50 pro contests, his final appearance being the 1999 Masters Olympia, where he finished third. The highlight of his career was winning the '95 Masters O.
Population of Samoa is around 180,000. I would say his "limited success" was quite remarkable, as was the achievement of becoming a Olympia caliber athlete from such a tiny population.
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Sonny Schimdt is part samoan..not full
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The answer is; they actually have brains that function above the level of the average 10 yr old, therefore they realise competitive bodybuilding is insane.
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First of all, I can read without you bolding that text. Second, are there any other big name Samoan BBers that getbiggers would have heard of? If not, Sonny is there one. That does not make a group of people suited for an endeavor. Third, are you Samoan?
How many Mr. Olympias do you need from Samoa to be convinced they don't have bad genetics? Jeez... ???
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I no medocre!! >:(
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=111450.0
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What makes asians mediocre bodybuilders?
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/GrandPrix2/GP03B.jpg)
two words: Ronnie Coleman 8)
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I said bad BBing genetics not bad genetics. They are naturally big and strong, eg NFL linemen and linebackers.
Very few are NFL linemen, as opposed to others. They are big, but look at the native diet that they ate in Somoa, very high in fat content. Imagine thousands of yrs of that. Now imagine, eating all the fatty Am food. You'd blow up like a blimp too.
I remember hearing on the news how the Am diet is making native Hawaiians fatter, due to the fact they already have a naturally higher fat percentage than people of Euro or African descent.
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Very few are NFL linemen, as opposed to others. They are big, but look at the native diet that they ate in Somoa, very high in fat content. Imagine thousands of yrs of that. Now imagine, eating all the fatty Am food. You'd blow up like a blimp too.
I remember hearing on the news how the Am diet is making native Hawaiians fatter, due to the fact they already have a naturally higher fat percentage than people of Euro or African descent.
Samoans aren't asian, neither are Hawaiians, Tongans, Micronesians, Maori. They are all polynesian. Polynesian's are naturally large. My Grandmother, who is 3/4 Hawaiian, is 5'11 1/2, 155 lbs, solid at 88. She still travels monthly, teaches hula, rides horses, does all of her own landscaping. But she is not ASIAN. Her older brother, my uncle, is 91, 6'5, 235.
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Mexicans have the worst bodybuilding genetics, can't build a lot of size naturally and have trouble getting lean.
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Many are linemen, esp in college too. Many top linemen and linebackers are Samoan.
Out of all the linemen, in the NFL, epecially the top defenses, very few are Samoan.. Hell, i was watching the USC/UCLA game, and i saw very few Samoans, or in any of the AAC games (Duke is taking the national B-ball championships this yr!!). But if you needed big guys on the line, since Samoans have a propensity for big big, I can see why there will be more Samoans filling the ranks of the NFL and Div-! college.
If Samoans were great athletes, then they would rule the track and field, NFL, NBA,etc.
I went to school with some Samoans, and there are Samoans at my gym, I just see them as being big and fat.More so on the "big" part than fat, I guess you would call them stocky. The weight they are pushing up is more or less than any fat black, white, hispanic, paki, would push.
The Rock (Dwayne Johnson) got lipo because he could get that shredded look, because he's half Samoan.
And that "black vapire" bber (forgot his name), he has stated since he's half Samoan, it hard for him to get shredded.
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http://www.arthurhu.com/index/asports.htm
Sport be race
I read that one time...
I can't keep track...Samoan or no Samoan
I think that once Asians in Asian countries start eating the more Protein based Western diet, you'll see more Asian athletes. Like over here in the US, it is not uncommon to see a 5'10-6ft Asian dude. Remember, Europeans were shorter than Am. Indians (just look at doorways of colonial houses) due to the Am. Indians have a heavy protein diet
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FlexingtonSteele, are asians sneaky? 8)
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I think people are speaking of E.Asians - Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, etc..
It's a mix of diet and genetics obviously. What percentage is diet and what is genetics is hard to say. It's funny though, many blacks living in the middle of Africa eating bugs have gone on to be big sports stars. I think genetics plays a big role.
Samoans look like they have black in them. Don't they have frizzy hair?
I think they are sort of an intermediate race between blacks and asians.
Arabs are a mixture of blacks, asians, and Mediterranean whites.
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Asians have significant lower endogenous testosterone level:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/5005463/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
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Asians have a specific gene degeneration that prevents them of achieving full development
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weaker bones and naturally lower testo in general (than whites and blacks) the smaller bones they have can be an advantage tho. Also, i dont think bodubuilding is a big sport amont the chinese, many of whom havent got food for the day. And japanese are more interested in bukkake porn and eating poop+ playing with electronic gadgets+studying. lets not talk about india...
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bukkake porn ..... LOL
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Too many carbs in their diet plus poor genetics leave them S.O.L
too many carbs..na that hasnt anything to do with it...maybe to little protein..but too many carbs? na...its lower natural testo production (also naturally higher fat % than blacks for example in general..)
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koreans and some japs got big calfs tho...
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FlexingtonSteele, are asians sneaky? 8)
They may be the sneakiest creatures on the face of the planet. Always in stealth mode, with their sneaky eyes and small limber bodies........
Maybe this has something to do their mediocre ability to build a quality physique.
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yeah or maybe they cant handle the pain so they study and work and study and never lift big weight only big book, less time eating more time working and studying. buy big mercedes, but wear weird clothes, like poor man..but always expensive car. but cheap clothes.
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this turned into all out genetic by ethnicity ,black = ideal muscular genetic's for bbing san's calve's.white's = cutler type large boned,eastern european look grow large,real eastern euro's get probably best grade supp's and are freak's other than using poor tanning product's.italian/greek/mediterrean shorter stature ,can get big and lean and make good bber's.
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Lots of great Asian bodybuilders.
Sami Al-Haddad, Samir Bannout, Ahmed Haider.
YIP
Zack
i think he means orientals Hedge, i would consider those fellows more Middle Eastern.
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yeah i was talking about yellow dudes..not arabs...arabs got good bodybuilding genes.
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yeah or maybe they cant handle the pain so they study and work and study and never lift big weight only big book, less time eating more time working and studying. buy big mercedes, but wear weird clothes, like poor man..but always expensive car. but cheap clothes.
hahahahahahaha.
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Asians aren't mediocre. Not the best but still no slouches either. All humans are one and the same, whether yer black, white, yellow, red, green, brown, purple, pink or turquoise or whatever. Jeeryme7 made some good points though; you can't expect a starving African or Asian with no moolah for food to be a great BBer. Survival would be very very good for a start. ;)
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this turned into all out genetic by ethnicity ,black = ideal muscular genetic's for bbing san's calve's.white's = cutler type large boned,eastern european look grow large,real eastern euro's get probably best grade supp's and are freak's other than using poor tanning product's.italian/greek/mediterrean shorter stature ,can get big and lean and make good bber's.
Well yes, blacks do have poor calves and high insertions, generally speaking.
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last time i checked whateva won mr getbig, wasnt he asian?
i googled this just to check out asian physiques, they might not be as big as americans but that may be because they dont juice as much nor eat as much as american bodybuilders but they can look like this http://www.asiabb.com/Guests/DUXSouth%20Korea/cat.asp?iCat=165
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NO THEY JUST HAVE HAVE LITTLE COCKS AND THE JUDGES JUDGE ACCORDINGLY.
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NO THEY JUST HAVE HAVE LITTLE COCKS AND THE JUDGES JUDGE ACCORDINGLY.
You sound frustrated, typing this using capitals. Sign of insecurity it is.
Fact is that every human being shares about 99.99% of the same genetics. About 0.01% makes the difference, according to skin color, bone structure etcetera.
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You guys talking of not many linebackers of Samoan ancestry, not many Samoans in this and that, how do you expect there to be a lot of Samoans in anything, if there's 170-180 000 on the island?
Perhaps you're confusing Samoan with other Polynesian nations or Maori, which are actually indigenous New Zealanders.
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NO I AM BIGGER THAN THE AVERAGE BEAR BUT THANX I KNOW YOU WERE CURIOUS JUST AS YOU ARE AS TO HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE A LITTLE ASIAN YOGURT SLINGER IN YOUR RECTUM.THANX FOR THE POST.
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Not pro-Asian, I take it?
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NO I AM BIGGER THAN THE AVERAGE BEAR BUT THANX I KNOW YOU WERE CURIOUS JUST AS YOU ARE AS TO HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE A LITTLE ASIAN YOGURT SLINGER IN YOUR RECTUM.THANX FOR THE POST.
Sure kid.
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And most are lazy. Do you think their is a correlation between laziness and poor calves? I have seen some black sprinters with crazy calves.
No high calves, are not due to laziness. One can't make their calves lower. I remember reading an article in Runner magazine (after some guy read it and said blacks have a extra tendon---WTF ::)). Well it said that West African blacks have high calves, smaller waists, and denser bones, and higher fast twitch fibers, than Whites and East Africans. Probably due to the environment. Well these characterics are good for sprinting, and short bursts of speed. Having high calves is good for transfering torque to the ground. If you lookat the sprinters, their calves are developed, but are still high. One doesn't need high calves to run quickly. In fact, the glutes and quads are the propelling factors in running, the calves don't really play that much.
Because this is bbing, one wants all muscles big, so l those that can't get them big, are called "deficient" or "poor", but maybe there is a genetic/environment reason for the way things are.
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little dicks
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I think that it comes down to structure and diet. Most Asians seem to have narrower frames and thinner bones. Also, in Asia their diets consist of little protein.
Im pretty sure that being muscular is kind of a taboo in Asia. I'm an MMA fan, and I notice that a lot of the Asian fighters look like they don't touch weights at all.
However, their have been some great Asian bodybuilders. Sonny Schmidt, Kris Dim, Wong Hong, Stan McQuay, and Hidetada Yamagishi.
Some things I've noticed about Asian people at the gym is that they have Dorian Yates calves and beefy arms. I've also noticed their lats are very high.
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Talofa...Samoans tend to be larger boned, holding more muscle mass, and stronger that the average ethnic groups (including my white bros). In other words, a much larger percent of the individual Polynesians, following the chain of islands from New Zealand to Hawaii , fall into this genetic pool. (Oh there are weaker runts of the litters sometimes, maybe 5'10 and 180 & only bench 300 or so, but they are usually drowned at birth) My two younger cousins would be classed as average for their race. Both were using 400+ for reps in regular workouts when they were 18 years old. Now play at two major football factory's, one bowl bound.
American Samoa (can't speak for Western Samoa) has a population of around 55,000. The Mormon Church brought quite a few over to attend mostly their schools years ago The natural progression was to play sports, football being number one. BYU, Utah, Utah St, etc being first choice but a lot of California & Washington state colleges also. From a very small population base, the NFL has quite a few Samoans on their active list. Two of my relations are retired (pension is crap) and one is still active. Funny thing is is that American style football is not that big a deal over on the island(s). It's soccer & rugby (Aussie and New Zealand leagues have Samoan players).Their natural hip and leg drive give a advantage to power sports like rugby and football.
Why not that many Samoans in BB'ing or lifting? Because they don't seem to care that much when most of them are already bigger and stronger than most. They will workout but not always with serious intent. Samoans, for the most part, prefer combat style sports, like football, here in America. Not always the happy, friendly natives when sports are involved, very competitive & aggressive. English explorers compared them to the Irish when it came to a fighting and the warrior spirit. (Sonny S. grandfather was German. Germany once owned most of the groups of the Samoan islands) Good Luck.
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No roundeye here benches 605 like me! >:(
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Talking about genetic's of asian is stupid when your talking about bodybuilding. It's like trying to explain how many orientals you have dropping out of high school. Steriods and asian culture are a way more important reason you don't find asian's in Bodybuilding. If your gonna talk about genetics use something that's more scientific than look's.
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How come white men invented most of the modern technology we take for granted? Airplanes, cars, radio, combustion engines, computers, television, phone, etc. Is that environment or genetic?
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How come white men invented most of the modern technology we take for granted? Airplanes, cars, radio, combustion engines, computers, television, phone, etc. Is that environment or genetic?
uh oh!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't tell the truth about race around here RKBB, people will call you a racist. ::)
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uh oh!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't tell the truth about race around here RKBB, people will call you a racist. ::)
That's right I forgot! Let's just go back to being pc now. ;D
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How come white men invented most of the modern technology we take for granted? Airplanes, cars, radio, combustion engines, computers, television, phone, etc. Is that environment or genetic?
Honestly it's to do with history White people controled Europe which gave them control of the world when they had the best links to the eastern and western world. so they tookover any valuble territory. When after they did this they invented all that stuff. When they had the best resouurcers. IT's all geography
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Honestly it's to do with history White people controled Europe which gave them control of the world when they had the best links to the eastern and western world. so they tookover any valuble territory. When after they did this they invented all that stuff. When they had the best resouurcers. IT's all geography
::) Whatever makes you feel better.
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::) Whatever makes you feel better.
Oh yeah and i forgot potaetoes they cause your brain to secrete turipilin
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it all really comes down to genetics! everytime! you have to have a killer combo of both decent genetics and over all good structure. have u ever noticed guys that look huge but in all reality theirs not much muscle on them,they just might have the right configuration to give u the illusion of size. IE small waist. lower chest, small joints, it goes on and on
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Too much rice, not enough meat!
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NO THEY JUST HAVE HAVE LITTLE COCKS AND THE JUDGES JUDGE ACCORDINGLY.
Ha, and you would know? You're a sick homo!
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didn't think diet would really matter. asians over here tend to eat more like white people, but are still limited by the same genetics as the wimps overseas.
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Wait till the the chinese drug program which is well underway and we hit the 2008 Olympics.
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Samoans can not be considered asians..they are considered polynesians
American Indians are actually asians (mongoloids)
NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ASIANS...I KNOW YOU DON'T STILL BELIEVE THE CRAP ABOUT LAND BRIDGES AND WALKING OVER FROM RUSSIA? NEITHER GENES, NOR FEATURES NOR BODY TYPES OF NATIVE AMERICANS IS RELATED IN ANY WAY TO RUSSIANS, CHINESE OR ANY SUPPOSED MONGOLOIDS....JEEZ
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NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ASIANS...I KNOW YOU DON'T STILL BELIEVE THE CRAP ABOUT LAND BRIDGES AND WALKING OVER FROM RUSSIA? NEITHER GENES, NOR FEATURES NOR BODY TYPES OF NATIVE AMERICANS IS RELATED IN ANY WAY TO RUSSIANS, CHINESE OR ANY SUPPOSED MONGOLOIDS....JEEZ
And how did they get there?
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Wait till the the chinese drug program which is well underway and we hit the 2008 Olympics.
Isn't that why there are 7 foot plus basketball players? And the women's track teams has better times than the mens?
Damn Commies >:(
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NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ASIANS...I KNOW YOU DON'T STILL BELIEVE THE CRAP ABOUT LAND BRIDGES AND WALKING OVER FROM RUSSIA? NEITHER GENES, NOR FEATURES NOR BODY TYPES OF NATIVE AMERICANS IS RELATED IN ANY WAY TO RUSSIANS, CHINESE OR ANY SUPPOSED MONGOLOIDS....JEEZ
Actually they do.
Look up Geronimo. He's pure indian. Looks like a mongolian or Chinese.
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I don't think this is a fair generalization. One of my best friends is Asian, and is seriously no joke. It's really not fair how good his physique is because he eats Mcdonalds three times a day EVERY SINGLE DAY. The guy has a twenty seven inch waist and 18 in. arms, with that dense compact muscle maturity. I also hated having to do calves and traps while he skipped them because dude doesn't need to hit those. Everyone around here knows whats up. I'm for real, the guy puts so many people to shame no matter who's around (even though we were hittin up World's Gym Columbus, OH, where Mike Davies and Mike Francois train current NPC competitors).
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asians have tiny COCKS.enough said ask bob chick or eryk bui. ;D