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10,000 purse, winner takes all and the chance to become a internet legend if you win. any takers?
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I'd rather see him in the ring with any light heavy or heavyweight in the UFC and see his ass get knocked out in less than 30 seconds.
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$10g's? Serioulsy? I got your man! Regular joe schmoe whitey from the midwest! 6' 215lbs! This will be like taking candy from a baby! Line it up!!!! >:(
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What would happen if Kimbo fought Matt Hughes?
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What would happen if Kimbo fought Matt Hughes?
MMA rules? He'd probably lose but I don't know. Hughes might be too small for Kimbo. Put him with any decent 205 guy that walks around near 220-230 and he wouldn't stand a chance. Depends on how well his training at ATT has been going, though. He would be annihilated under PRIDE rules. He might stand a chance in the UFC if he can get a guy up against the fence and launches some elbows. I doubt it, however.
For 10,000 regardless of winning or losing I'd fight him. Worst thing is you get knocked out in a couple seconds and come out with $10k. ;D
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10,000 purse, winner takes all and the chance to become a internet legend if you win. any takers?
a hungry afghani offered $100 would rip him to pieces..
then prolly try to fuck the corpse.. :-\
i remember once in north paki watching a donkey laden with 4 sacks of grain going up a steep hill...it ws steep enough that the donkeys hind legs kept going..everynow n then you'd see it stumble and a shower of stones would come tumbling down...
thing is..beside him ws an old afghani bent over..with 4 sacks on this damn back guiding the friggin donkey..i mean the dood looked all of 60...
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MMA rules? He'd probably lose but I don't know. Hughes might be too small for Kimbo. Put him with any decent 205 guy that walks around near 220-230 and he wouldn't stand a chance. Depends on how well his training at ATT has been going, though. He would be annihilated under PRIDE rules. He might stand a chance in the UFC if he can get a guy up against the fence and launches some elbows. I doubt it, however.
For 10,000 regardless of winning or losing I'd fight him. Worst thing is you get knocked out in a couple seconds and come out with $10k. ;D
What are the rules for pride. How is it different? Sorry. I know nothing about ufc. My buddy does it. Well, everyone does it now.
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10,000 purse, winner takes all and the chance to become a internet legend if you win. any takers?
for 10000 and with submission allowed sure
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What are the rules for pride. How is it different? Sorry. I know nothing about ufc. My buddy does it. Well, everyone does it now.
Basically, in the UFC, you aren't allowed to kick, stomp, or knee a downed opponent. You're also not allowed to spike an opponent on their head. In PRIDE, all of this is legal and the fighters more than make use of these tactics, especially the Brazilians with the stomps. In the UFC, you're only allowed to punch or elbow an opponent on the ground. PRIDE doesn't allowed elbows to the head because they tend to not do a lot of damage but they open cuts that bleed badly. If Kimbo was fighting someone in PRIDE, I would expect him to be on the ground fast and getting soccer kicked or stomped to the face. With no ground game, I could see him taking massive knees to the head from a north-south position or side mount. He might stand more of a chance in the UFC because he could just bully his way through a fight by using the cage to push someone up against and put his decent boxing skills to work. He's been throwing elbows in his more recent fights because he's been training with ATT. This is all just speculation, though.
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youre close, but:
- pride does not allow spiking
- ufc doesnt allow kicks, knees or stomps to the head on the ground, the body is fine
- pride doesnt allow certain knees to the top of the head on the ground (ask igor ;D) ... though they seem to change this rule from fight to fight
the biggest difference is the issuance of yellow cards in pride, which force the fighters to put on a more exciting fight or lose 10% of their payday! they are issued for holding too much on the ground, holding the ropes, inactivity, repeated fouling etc...
in the ufc the fights progress more naturally(occasionally they stand them up but they dont take away their money) and are far more likely to be boring "lay and prays" (where a wreslter humps someone for 15 minutes) whereas in pride this would result in a yellowcard
basicallly, in japan they are concerned with putting forth the most exciting fights with the toughest(and by that i mean actual toughness or "bushido" during a fight; heart) fighters, and how you win is more important than winning itself .... wheres in the us its just about winning, and fairness
japan also has no drug policy (not that the ufc guys arent taking the exact same shti, but it speaks to the emphasis on putting forward the best product possible instead of having the most "fair")
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youre close, but:
- pride does not allow spiking
- ufc doesnt allow kicks, knees or stomps to the head on the ground, the body is fine
- pride doesnt allow certain knees to the head on the ground (ask igor ;D) ... though they seem to change this rule from fight to fight
the biggest difference is the issuance of yellow cards in pride, which force the fighters to put on a more exciting fight or lose 10% of their payday! they are issued for holding too much on the ground, holding the ropes, inactivity, repeated fouling etc...
in the ufc the fights progress more naturally(occasionally they stand them up but they dont take away their money) and are far more likely to be boring "lay and prays" (where a wreslter humps someone for 15 minutes) whereas in pride this would result in a yellowcard
basicallly, in japan they are concerned with putting forth the most exciting fights with the toughest(and by that i mean actual toughness or "bushido" during a fight; heart) fighters, and how you win is more important than winning itself .... wheres in the us its just about winning, and fairness
japan also has no drug policy (not that the ufc guys arent taking the exact same shti, but it speaks to the emphasis on putting forward the best product possible instead of having the most "fair")
PRIDE allows spiking to the head. Check the rules, there is nothing against it. Have you not seen the Sapp-Big Nog fight? He was pile driven on his head. Fedor was spiked on his head by Randleman. Also, when I'm talking about knees, kicks on the ground, I was talking about the head. It's usually common sense that the body shots are a given. PRIDE doesn't really stop knees on the ground unless they're going to the back of the head or when an opponent falls face down on the mat, which generally means they've been knocked the f**k out anyway.
You're an idiot if you say the fights progress more naturally in the UFC. Lately all they do is stand the fighters up as soon as they hit the ground because the redneck piece of shit fans don't understand anything about the ground game and guard work. Pride lets Arona lay and pray his way to victory almost every fight.
The fighters in the UFC are probably juiced anyway. More and more have been testing positive as of late.
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My buddy does it. Well, everyone does it now.
haha ain't that the truth
five years ago these same clowns wanted to be the next Stone Cold Steve Austin but since wrestling is no longer cool they want to be the next chuck liddell ::)
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haha ain't that the truth
five years ago these same clowns wanted to be the next Stone Cold Steve Austin but since wrestling is no longer cool they want to be the next chuck liddell ::)
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Yeah, it's getting kind of annoying seeing every clown talk about it when they know jack shit about anything actually resembling the sport, only what they've seen on Spike. Guess it's to be expected with the sport growing like it is.
I wasn't directing this post at you either, Earl.
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PRIDE allows spiking to the head. Check the rules, there is nothing against it. Have you not seen the Sapp-Big Nog fight? He was pile driven on his head. Fedor was spiked on his head by Randleman. Also, when I'm talking about knees, kicks on the ground, I was talking about the head. It's usually common sense that the body shots are a given. PRIDE doesn't really stop knees on the ground unless they're going to the back of the head or when an opponent falls face down on the mat, which generally means they've been knocked the f**k out anyway.
You're an idiot if you say the fights progress more naturally in the UFC. Lately all they do is stand the fighters up as soon as they hit the ground because the redneck piece of shit fans don't understand anything about the ground game and guard work. Pride lets Arona lay and pray his way to victory almost every fight.
The fighters in the UFC are probably juiced anyway. More and more have been testing positive as of late.
i thought mauro mentioned they had changed the spiking rule after the fedor fight but its not on their website so im probably wrong (maybe it was the vegas show i was watching with neutered rules)
"Also, when I'm talking about knees, kicks on the ground, I was talking about the head. It's usually common sense that the body shots are a given. "
you might have ment to say you were a cock sucking homo too ... but what came out was:
"In the UFC, you're only allowed to punch or elbow an opponent on the ground."
the knees to the head rule its sketchy, they say you cant hit the occipital region, but you can hit the sides of the head and ears, implying the top of the head is cool ... but they stopped igor and warned someone else recently for hitting the top... i guess in the heat of the moment its hard to tell
as for the lay and pray and arona's special tretment ... he got stood up against wandy in their last fight and he lost the belt on account of it. while we are talking about fight progresssion, how often do they move fighters from the cage vs repositioned them from the ropes ... that makes a night and day difference in a fight ;)
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What an insult to Matt Hughes to even bring his name into this thread ;D Even as a smaller guy, Kimbo's guys would be crying foul as Matt chokes him out from behind. What would happen is Kimbo would punch himself out and probably land very little against a skilled fighter and when he's gasping for air, matt would have him regardless of size. Kimbo wouldn't last with Gracie, no fucking way in the world, he's not going to beat Matt either. All Kimbo does is swing wild against people who think they can fight but haven't actually done anything outside of the occational drunken bar fight. Kimbo is a scam.
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i thought mauro mentioned they had changed the spiking rule after the fedor fight but its not on their website so im probably wrong (maybe it was the vegas show i was watching with neutered rules)
"Also, when I'm talking about knees, kicks on the ground, I was talking about the head. It's usually common sense that the body shots are a given. "
you might have ment to say you were a cock sucking homo too ... but what came out was:
"In the UFC, you're only allowed to punch or elbow an opponent on the ground."
the knees to the head rule its sketchy, they say you cant hit the occipital region, but you can hit the sides of the head and ears, implying the top of the head is cool ... but they stopped igor and warned someone else recently for hitting the top... i guess in the heat of the moment its hard to tell
as for the lay and pray and arona's special tretment ... he got stood up against wandy in their last fight and he lost the belt on account of it. while we are talking about fight progresssion, how often do they move fighters from the cage vs repositioned them from the ropes ... that makes a night and day difference in a fight ;)
It doesn't make a night and day difference, the fighters are used to it and expect it when they start rolling around near the edge of the ring. Arona didn't lose the belt because he got stood up. He lost it because they don't want someone who lay'n'prays his way to victory as champion, it wouldn't be good for entertainment. You don't see many knees to the side on the ground in the UFC because they're too busy working guard. Just as you don't see too many elbow barrages in PRIDE.
I'm pretty sure the only cocksucking homo is the fag who melts down whenever Flower insults him.
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I just watched Rocky and I am all fired up !!!!!!
I would so kick his ass right now.
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Supposedly Iceberg, Kimbo's manager is trying to set up a fight with Paul Buentello and Kimbo. If this occurs, expect a quick KO by "Don't fear me, fear the consequences." Pride has better fighters, better fights. I like the cage, and the use of elbows, though. NSAC and CSAC are the ones who will dictate rules for fights in those states. In Hawaii, you can kick a downed opponent in championship fights. (See Mayhem/Trigg). Not having drug tests is popular with fighters, particularly if you provide a sample from a cadaver or dog.
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I'm a bigger fan of the ring myself. The cage gets in the way too much and outside of moving the fight to the middle, the ring is fine. You don't get people using the ropes for leverage ala some of the UFC fighters. It's all preference, I'm a PRIDE guy so. ;D
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Pride fighters in the cage with hybrid rules would be my choice. Definite DSE fan boy, just hate the time delays on PPVs.
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It doesn't make a night and day difference, the fighters are used to it and expect it when they start rolling around near the edge of the ring.
for someone who knocks UFC fans for not appreciating the ground game you sure have no idea about its finer points: you get too close to the ropes and you will be put back in the middle of the ring thereby giving the guy on the bottom escape options 360deg around him; you get pressed against the cage and suddenly your escape options are down to 180 degrees (tito, randy, lindland are just a few of the people who made careers out of pinning an opponent to the cage) ... youll have to take my word for it that this is a "big deal" ;)
Arona didn't lose the belt because he got stood up. He lost it because they don't want someone who lay'n'prays his way to victory as champion, it wouldn't be good for entertainment.
Let me get this straight, Arona didnt lose because he was stood up for his lay and pray, but he lost because of his lay and pray ... f**k youre stupid ::)
You don't see many knees to the side on the ground in the UFC because they're too busy working guard. Just as you don't see too many elbow barrages in PRIDE.
Its impossible to see knees to the side from guard (do you know what guard means?) ... but from side mount you see them all the time...
You dont see many elbows in pride because they are not allowed to the head and its usually more damaging to punsh the body because of the distancing involved with elbowing ;)
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I'd uppercut Kimbo into the middle of next week
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for someone who knocks UFC fans for not appreciating the ground game you sure have no idea about its finer points: you get too close to the ropes and you will be put back in the middle of the ring thereby giving the guy on the bottom escape options 360deg around him; you get pressed against the cage and suddenly your escape options are down to 180 degrees (tito, randy, lindland are just a few of the people who made careers out of pinning an opponent to the cage) ... youll have to take my word for it that this is a "big deal" ;)
Let me get this straight, Arona didnt lose because he was stood up for his lay and pray, but he lost because of his lay and pray ... f**k youre stupid ::)
Its impossible to see knees to the side from guard (do you know what guard means?) ... but from side mount you see them all the time...
You dont see many elbows in pride because they are not allowed to the head and its usually more damaging to punsh the body because of the distancing involved with elbowing ;)
OWNED!
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i love these newbs who watch a season of TUFF and are ready to take on the world ;D
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i would fight him if it was an all in fight, but i would have doubts if it was a fist fight with his posse of twats around. All in i wouldnt bother, take him down and smash him up or break his arm. Reminiscent of the way Butterbean just had his arse handed to him
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Hughes would beat that ape unconsious in 30 seconds. Has anyone seen the vid of that fat cop smoking Kimbo's ass?
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It was posted in another thread. Gannon is his last name. He is a Boston cop ;D
I would like to see hughes fight this guy. Hughes is a little monster. I know he got his ass kicked by that Canadian dude (yikes) but I still think he is a beast.
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GSP is a fucking beast. The guy is incredible. Only 25 if I'm not mistaken, also.
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GSP is a fucking beast. The guy is incredible. Only 25 if I'm not mistaken, also.
When I saw him I thought there was no way he could beat Hughes. I only know Hughes from the few ufc fights I have watched. But, he kicked his ass. I think this could also be a wake up call for Hughes. They said he did not train for fights until fairly recently?
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hughes has zero striking because hes too big, he should be competing in the 155 .... GSP is a very big framed man for 170 and hes a complete fighter ... i doubt youll see him lose any time soon in the ufc
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I know shit about ufc. So I will take your word for it. How much does gsb weigh?
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he fights at 170 and walks around at 190 or so ... oddly enough, im 2 inches taller, 5lbs lighter, fatter, but my friend who trained with him said im significantly bigger ;D
you should take some time and check out Pride, youd enjoy it alot more than ufc ;)
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he fights at 170 and walks around at 190 or so ... oddly enough, im 2 inches taller, 5lbs lighter, fatter, but my friend who trained with him said im significantly bigger ;D
you should take some time and check out Pride, youd enjoy it alot more than ufc ;)
I am reading some mma shit right now. Who is the greatest fighters from either organization?
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in UFC id say liddell, GSP, and possibly vera ... those guys seem to all have well rounded games
in pride, fedor, barnett, gomi, kang ... man theres too many to mention
http://www.nokaut.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10
you can get ANY mma video you want here, check it out ;)
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Thanks.... Checking out some vids now.
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thank link came straight from Diesel1 ... he is the undisputed KING of tracking down links and we should all line up and toss his salad for it!
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hughes has zero striking because hes too big, he should be competing in the 155 .... GSP is a very big framed man for 170 and hes a complete fighter ... i doubt youll see him lose any time soon in the ufc
No way in hell Hughes can cut to 155. He walks at 190 and is very,very lean. (I have rolled with him at a seminar) He is incredibly strong, and has tremendous pressure from half guard/side control/mount. His striking has nothing to do with his size, but more to do with the time spent striking. He started his striking training with Pat, he was a wrestler through and through, he only has about 10 years experience in striking, whereas GSP started in a striking based art and is better suited to stand and bang.
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No way in hell Hughes can cut to 155. He walks at 190 and is very,very lean. (I have rolled with him at a seminar) He is incredibly strong, and has tremendous pressure from half guard/side control/mount. His striking has nothing to do with his size, but more to do with the time spent striking. He started his striking training with Pat, he was a wrestler through and through, he only has about 10 years experience in striking, whereas GSP started in a striking based art and is better suited to stand and bang.
hughes 10+ years striking is probably more experience than GSP has ... and striking has everything to do with size as being overly muscled slows you down and makes it harder to relax (which is how you generate power)
smarten up >:(
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hughes 10+ years striking is probably more experience than GSP has ... and striking has everything to do with size as being overly muscled slows you down and makes it harder to relax (which is how you generate power)
smarten up >:(
Matts ability to strike with GSP has nothing to do with his size. He has BEEN a wrestler his entire life, he will default back to his strengths, which is takedown and ground and pound. No amount of training standup will nullify years of habbits created. Royce Gracie, a ground fighter has been training stand up for the last 14 years, it STILL is not up to the level of Matt Hughes. Is this because of his incredible size? Hughes was outstriking Royce relatively easy. I think not. Maybe you should get into the gym and spar, see how you will react. No matter how many years of Muay Thai I do, I always revert back to what I know, which is to drop and shoot and take a leg/legs for a single, double, ankle pick, etc. His musclulature can inhibit his ability to strike, but it is not the main thing that allowed GSP to dominate him. Matt's "riddum" was disrupted, and GSP was beating him to the punch, kick. He also set him up perfectly with the inside cut kick/jab. Then when they clinched, GSP secured underhooks and actually pushed Matt off of the fence with relative ease. (Which has never been done) The one thing Matt normally dominates, scrambles, GSP was able to beat him here as well. In the first fight GSP was beating Matt at standup, and in a scramble off of a shoot, Matt was able to nail the far side armbar.
Before telling people to smarten up, maybe get into the gym and get some fight time with some fighters before you base your opinion. Doing two smokers a year teaches me I don't want to stand and trade.
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hughes 10+ years striking is probably more experience than GSP has ... and striking has everything to do with size as being overly muscled slows you down and makes it harder to relax (which is how you generate power)
smarten up >:(
Hughes isn't over muscled you fucking clown. Body88, don't listen to anything this retard says, he doesn't even know that you're allowed to spike people on their head in Pride. He's a nuthugging MMA fan that thinks he knows what he's talking about. As AmericanBulldog says, Hughes is a wrestler first and a striker second, that's why he couldn't compete with GSP on their feet.
You're a fucking clown, plain and simple. Go back to jerking off to TUF reruns and let the guys who know what they're talking about handle this.
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neither of you has any clue what youre talking about
hope this helps :)
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neither of you has any clue what youre talking about
hope this helps :)
You're a TUF guy that has jumped on the MMA bandwagon who doesn't even know the basic rules of PRIDE and obviously hasn't seen any of the best fighters the organization has ever had. AmericanBulldog has something like 14+ years of grappling and striking experience if I'm not mistaken, so you're really digging yourself into a hole here. You're a clown.
Hope this helps.
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neither of you has any clue what youre talking about
hope this helps :)
So I guess intellectual debate is out of the question.
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So I guess intellectual debate is out of the question.
It's not even worth arguing with this clown. He knows nothing.
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It's not even worth arguing with this clown. He knows nothing.
Ignore berzerkfury everyone, this tiny tit has been owned to shreds in this thread and now he is having a meltdown.
Seems like a repeat occurrence for this intellectual giant
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Ignore berzerkfury everyone, this tiny tit has been owned to shreds in this thread and now he is having a meltdown.
Seems like a repeat occurrence for this intellectual giant
Chalk up another one of my nuthuggers who has decided to follow me across Getbig. Xpac, weren't you run off the V last week?
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You're a TUF guy that has jumped on the MMA bandwagon who doesn't even know the basic rules of PRIDE and obviously hasn't seen any of the best fighters the organization has ever had. AmericanBulldog has something like 14+ years of grappling and striking experience if I'm not mistaken, so you're really digging yourself into a hole here. You're a clown.
Hope this helps.
Man I am feeling old thinking about the time I have spent. Unfortunately it is longer than 14+ and I am still a four stripe blue........
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Chalk up another one of my nuthuggers who has decided to follow me across Getbig. Xpac, weren't you run off the V last week?
I run the V board. I let you tiny tits post once in a while.
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You're a TUF guy that has jumped on the MMA bandwagon who doesn't even know the basic rules of PRIDE and obviously hasn't seen any of the best fighters the organization has ever had. AmericanBulldog has something like 14+ years of grappling and striking experience if I'm not mistaken, so you're really digging yourself into a hole here. You're a clown.
Hope this helps.
i was talking about mma on here years before tuff came out so that theory is shot to shit, and i pwned the fuck out of you regarding arona and teh natural progression of fights in pride v ufc so you really shouldnt speak to me, seriously
as for bulldog, i didnt read his last post because its long, but if hes been training striking for 14 years id expect him to know that being overly muscled kills you on a speed, endurance and rom level in terms of striking. now weather or not matt hughes has that size(and type) of musculature is a matter of opinion, but what is apparent is hughes does not bang well and by that i mean he doesnt seem to have a good concept of relaxing his shoulders, sitting on his punches, throwing solid combos, kicking, distance/footwork, throwing from the hip ... he throws like more like a tense weight lifter than a striker .. to be fair, this is true for 90% of the mma world .. if you dont believe me watch a ufc with anyone whose done muaythai or boxing and ask them what they think of studs like leben and franklin(not to say they are overmuscled, but they dont understand striking very well and were considered to be striking gods by TUF fools like you)
granted you cannot throw in maa the same as in a pure kickboxing bout because youll get taken down right away, but you can still differieniate the overly muscled guys(coleman, hughes, monson, shrek, kerr etc) from the boys who are much more wirey but bang much harder (gomi, fedor, crocop, liddell, vera) on the basic way they throw: from the shoulder(former) and the hip(later) ... conversly, when you come into mma from a striking background you need to train your muscles differently for a different type of balance and footwork, some people adjusted very well (crocop, hunt) and some didnt(schilt, leko)
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i was talking about mma on here years before tuff came out so that theory is shot to shit, and i pwned the f**k out of you regarding arona and teh natural progression of fights in pride v ufc so you really shouldnt speak to me, seriously
as for bulldog, i didnt read his last post because its long, but if hes been training striking for 14 years id expect him to know that being overly muscled kills you on a speed, endurance and rom level in terms of striking. now weather or not matt hughes has that size(and type) of musculature is a matter of opinion, but what is apparent is hughes does not bang well and by that i mean he doesnt seem to have a good concept of relaxing his shoulders, sitting on his punches, throwing solid combos, kicking, distance/footwork, throwing from the hip ... he throws like more like a tense weight lifter than a striker .. to be fair, this is true for 90% of the mma world .. if you dont believe me watch a ufc with anyone whose done muaythai or boxing and ask them what they think of studs like leben and franklin(not to say they are overmuscled, but they dont understand striking very well and were considered to be striking gods by TUF fools like you)
granted you cannot throw in maa the same as in a pure kickboxing bout because youll get taken down right away, but you can still differieniate the overly muscled guys(coleman, hughes, monson, shrek, kerr etc) from the boys who are much more wirey but bang much harder (gomi, fedor, crocop, liddell, vera) on the basic way they throw: from the shoulder(former) and the hip(later) ... conversly, when you come into mma from a striking background you need to train your muscles differently for a different type of balance and footwork, some people adjusted very well (crocop, hunt) and some didnt(schilt, leko)
VP are you suggesting that BerzerkFury is the type of guy who makes "eye contact" when practicing BJJ with his "boys"?
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VP are you suggesting that BerzerkFury is the type of guy who makes "eye contact" when practicing BJJ with his "boys"?
hahahaha, that picture never gets old.
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i was talking about mma on here years before tuff came out so that theory is shot to shit, and i pwned the f**k out of you regarding arona and teh natural progression of fights in pride v ufc so you really shouldnt speak to me, seriously
as for bulldog, i didnt read his last post because its long, but if hes been training striking for 14 years id expect him to know that being overly muscled kills you on a speed, endurance and rom level in terms of striking. now weather or not matt hughes has that size(and type) of musculature is a matter of opinion, but what is apparent is hughes does not bang well and by that i mean he doesnt seem to have a good concept of relaxing his shoulders, sitting on his punches, throwing solid combos, kicking, distance/footwork, throwing from the hip ... he throws like more like a tense weight lifter than a striker .. to be fair, this is true for 90% of the mma world .. if you dont believe me watch a ufc with anyone whose done muaythai or boxing and ask them what they think of studs like leben and franklin(not to say they are overmuscled, but they dont understand striking very well and were considered to be striking gods by TUF fools like you)
granted you cannot throw in maa the same as in a pure kickboxing bout because youll get taken down right away, but you can still differieniate the overly muscled guys(coleman, hughes, monson, shrek, kerr etc) from the boys who are much more wirey but bang much harder (gomi, fedor, crocop, liddell, vera) on the basic way they throw: from the shoulder(former) and the hip(later) ... conversly, when you come into mma from a striking background you need to train your muscles differently for a different type of balance and footwork, some people adjusted very well (crocop, hunt) and some didnt(schilt, leko)
Not disputing that musculature hinders striking, it does. I said so in my post. What I also said is that it wasn't his musculature that hindered him in the GSP fight. GSP established a good "riddum" in the fight, beat Matt to the punch, won the scrambles, and outwrestled Matt to boot. People have established habbits that they default to when they get clipped. I duck my head, throw loopey punches and follow it up with a shot, or neck tie up. Not the best technique, but this is what I know and default to.
Long, wiry is better for striking and MMA in general. Sean Sherk is someone who is heavily muscled and throws good combos, has a stiff jab, and decent head movement for a midget musclebound freak. We saw what happens when a world class striker goes against a good MMA stiker in the Wandy/CC fight. (See Silva/Franklin as well). Most MMA guys are more grappling based, and as such start off on a wrong foot. What we do in wrestling isn't conducive to striking. Traps up, waist bent forward, flat on our feet, one foot forward with hands at midline of your torsos to prevent shots. This structure doesn't gel with the elbows tight to the body, chin down, hands up striking of western boxing. When wrestlers throw, they have a tendency to drag their jabs and crosses leaving their chins wide open.
So I do not totally disagree with your assertions, however, to say that Hughes is a bad striker because of his musculature isn't correct.
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Kimbo is basically an underground Gary Goodridge...and GG has had his ass handed to him enough times
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Kimbo is basically an underground Gary Goodridge...and GG has had his ass handed to him enough times
That is a slam to Big Daddy.
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but Big Daddy still has one of the best ever knockouts in MMA. My dad is an instructor in Kuk Sool Won, the gradings are a nightmare - very technical. Big Daddy is probably the best known Kuk sool fighter in the world, and does the art proud. He'll never be the best fighter around but he does put up a good un
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gary lives about 2 hrs from me and he used to wrestle with my training partner occasionally ... im not 100% sure but i thought he was not actually very accomplished in kuk sool won despite the fact he fought for a school/dojo at first, and later he was supposedly fighting out of a gym called ultimate(where my training partner would roll with him and where i trained briefly) ... technically gary has never been a star, but he still knocks motherfuckers out and hes a tough bastard.
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but Big Daddy still has one of the best ever knockouts in MMA. My dad is an instructor in Kuk Sool Won, the gradings are a nightmare - very technical. Big Daddy is probably the best known Kuk sool fighter in the world, and does the art proud. He'll never be the best fighter around but he does put up a good un
In interviews, he claims he no longer practices Kuk Sul Won.