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Here is a clip from the 2006 Colorado Pro.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5830485586257073449&q=Phil+Heath&hl=en
With that, this is the first video footage I have seen of Phil and here are some comments I have regarding his physique below... Keep in mind, I'm a huge fan of his BUT I now see many holes in his physique.
From the front in the relaxed pose Phil looks below average. His quads and calves overpower his upperbody.
Phil's chest is underdeveloped and he needs much more size on his delts to give him the illusion of width, because there will not be much he can do with somewhat narrow clavicals by pro bodybuilding standards.
See "Exibit1".
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Continuing on, Phil has an excellent front double biceps pose in which there are virtually no weaknesses, you can say the same for his front lat spread. I would say that he can add little more size to his arms for perfection. See "Exibit2" and "Exibit3".
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Here is "Exibit3"
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Phil displays exceptional separation between the quads and hamstrings in the side chest pose.
But once again you can see that the lack of development in his chest keeps him from being "great" in this pose. See "Exibit4"
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Phil displays exceptional separation between the quads and hamstrings in the side chest pose.
But once again you can see that the lack of development in his chest keeps him from being "great" in this pose. See "Exibit4"
from the side he looks bigger than he does in the front poses
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If I am not mistaken that is from the NY pro, I personally thought that Darrem was a tad better than him.
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Phil has one of the best back double biceps in the game today.
He displays tremendous separation, and his glutes and hamstrings are shredded.
But he will be going up against "A" listers from here on out and guys like Jay, Victor, Dexter, and Gustavo have the same attributes from the back plus one that Phil doesn't have yet and that's back thickness. His back lat spread is good but he needs more overall back thickness to take it to the next level. See "Exibit5" and "Exibit6".
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from the side he looks bigger than he does in the front poses
You are 100% correct Shadow which is why he will be exposed during the Arnold. I don't think many of these "shortcomings" will be corrected in one year.
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Small and high lat. No future.
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You are 100% correct Shadow which is why he will be exposed during the Arnold. I don't think many of these "shortcomings" will be corrected in one year.
even if he uses Gakic?
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Exibit 6
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Small and high lat. No future.
Actually his lats are not high. Dennis Wolfe and Dexter have high lats.
While Phil doesn't possess low lat insertions like a Ronnie or Dorian, there is nothing bad about them.
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He's a year or two of mass building to be a top contender, for now I think the "newness" of him has worn off and his placing will suffer a bit.
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I can't think of too many people who have a better side triceps pose than Phil Heath see "Exibit7" nuff said....
Methyl Mike, I think unless he hasn't made dramtic improvements, you are correct.
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I can't think to too many people who have a better side tricep pose than Phil Heath see "Exibit7" nuff said....
Methyl Mike, I think unless he hasn't made dramtic improvements, you are correct.
dude after his 2 pro wins he took the rest of the year off..i think so he migh have corrected or some what improved upon his faults
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He has a decent abs and thighs pose. See "Exibit8"
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Phil is rare in that he looks great in all his most muscular poses. See Exibits 9, 10, and 11.
In the first one he resembles Ronnie, the second one Flex and the third one Dexter.
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Small and high lat. No future.
bullshit..if the guy can add mass to the right places and not go overboard, he will do well.
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Phil Heath in about a year or 2 is unquestionably going to win the olympia if he can stay proportioned but with a little more size. He needs another 20-30 pounds of muscle more.
And of course with some Gakic and Phosphogen, as well as NOx209 and a crash MandF workout, he can pack on an incredible 20pds of muscle while lowering bodyfat levels by a stunning 10% in an incredible 2 months! LOL..
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Phil Heath in about a year or 2 is unquestionably going to win the olympia if he can stay proportioned but with a little more size. He needs another 20-30 pounds of muscle more.
And of course with some Gakic and Phosphogen, as well as NOx209 and a crash MandF workout, he can pack on an incredible 20pds of muscle while lowering bodyfat levels by a stunning 10% in an incredible 2 months! LOL..
are you smokin some crack..20-30 of muscle...he only needs to add 10-15lbs of muscle..he will blow his waist up if he adds 20-30lbs on that frame
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Phil Heath in about a year or 2 is unquestionably going to win the olympia if he can stay proportioned but with a little more size. He needs another 20-30 pounds of muscle more.
And of course with some Gakic and Phosphogen, as well as NOx209 and a crash MandF workout, he can pack on an incredible 20pds of muscle while lowering bodyfat levels by a stunning 10% in an incredible 2 months! LOL..
hmm..im not sure about 30lbs...but with some added mass he will do well..but i dont think he needs 30lbs of mass
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are you smokin some crack..20-30 of muscle...he only needs to add 10-15lbs of muscle..he will blow his waist up if he adds 20-30lbs on that frame
shadow is correct
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Actually his lats are not high. Dennis Wolfe and Dexter have high lats.
While Phil doesn't possess low lat insertions like a Ronnie or Dorian, there is nothing bad about them.
MMmm strange, i have just seen the video and looked like high lat. But in these pics, he doesnt.
As you say, Dex do have high lat but dennis wolf dont.Dennis is just not still mature.
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MMmm strange, i have just seen the video and looked like high lat. But in these pics, he doesnt.
As you say, Dex do have high lat but dennis wolf dont.Dennis is just not still mature.
phil has been competing for a shorter period then dennis fucktard.
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great unbiased analysis !! We don't see that much often on bodybuilding board !
I say yes, from those pictures Phil needs more muscle but he had more than enough time to gain a good 5-7 pounds of pure muscle this year, wich will make an incredible difference is he gained it in the right places.l
yes he looks pretty average in the relaxed poses, that's his biggest weakness.
but in the other poses, he looks 20 pounds heavier than he actually his !
in the double biceps poses, he looks simply perfect and in the most musculars, he looks unbelievable !
I say: HEATH FOR THE TOP 3 AT THE ARNOLD !!!!!!!!
NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH !!!
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only winter
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only winter
no winter this year 8)
10 degree Celsius here in Montreal ! I am starting to love winter haha
I think it snowed once or twice this year ;D
so the winter won't stop the Heath too !!!
Nothing stops the Heath !!!
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no winter this year 8)
10 degree Celsius here in Montreal ! I am starting to love winter haha
I think it snowed once or twice this year ;D
so the winter won't stop the Heath too !!!
Nothing stops the Heath !!!
hahahahah..well said
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no winter this year 8)
10 degree Celsius here in Montreal ! I am starting to love winter haha
I think it snowed once or twice this year ;D
so the winter won't stop the Heath too !!!
Nothing stops the Heath !!!
;D i fucking hate winter
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are you smokin some crack..20-30 of muscle...he only needs to add 10-15lbs of muscle..he will blow his waist up if he adds 20-30lbs on that frame
20 to 30... He's well behind Jay. Didn't you see the pictures in the Magazine of them workin out together?
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Phil looks great. He'll quality for the Olympia easily, but he won't break top 5 there this year. He needs a better chest and back. Give him a few years to get bigger and he'll be in the top 5 if all stays the same.
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20 to 30... He's well behind Jay. Didn't you see the pictures in the Magazine of them workin out together?
10-15
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20 to 30... He's well behind Jay. Didn't you see the pictures in the Magazine of them workin out together?
dude phil is on the aesthetic side of bodybuilding..he is like modern days flex wheeler..20-30lbs will ruin his shape.he ain't no mass monster and never gonna be one..all he needs to is add 10-15 in the next 2 or 3 yrs..he'll be mr olympia
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Phil looks great. He'll quality for the Olympia easily, but he won't break top 5 there this year. He needs a better chest and back. Give him a few years to get bigger and he'll be in the top 5 if all stays the same.
Care to put your money where you mouth is on that?
Heath's DVD in it's final touches and you'll see his training.
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Care to put your money where you mouth is on that?
Heath's DVD in it's final touches and you'll see his training.
Lift, is there a release date?
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Lift, is there a release date?
Looking like the end of this month, we're waiting on some footage from the Colorado Pro to integrate.
The fans will decide which DVD cover goes to production - look for it this weekend.
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Looking like the end of this month, we're waiting on some footage from the Colorado Pro to integrate.
The fans will decide which DVD cover goes to production - look for it this weekend.
do you have any info on ronnies dvd?
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do you have any info on ronnies dvd?
No. Not sure who did Ronnie's DVD.
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as with ray and a 93 wheeler has a bigger than he really is type physique,at 215 his muscle pop's and is full,has great conditioning and at least he has leg's so that is not a big priority like some pro's playing catchup on leg's is tougher,than refining say some more chest .he will be a player in the grand scheme,give credit when credit is due.
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Heath's arms are already pretty loaded. I don't see where he needs to bring them up. If anything, maybe his chest. But he's got a nice flow to everything now. As for as putting on 20-30 lbs. I thought Melvin would throw it away if he went for more muscle and he did and he looks better than ever.
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Heath's arms are already pretty loaded. I don't see where he needs to bring them up. If anything, maybe his chest. But he's got a nice flow to everything now. As for as putting on 20-30 lbs. I thought Melvin would throw it away if he went for more muscle and he did and he looks better than ever.
Actually if you look at Melvin from this past Mr. O, you can see his waist line is bigger than say......before he started working with "The Chad". On the plus side is that Chad brought him in better condition and bigger, I guess you have to sacrifice something.
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Phil is on time for where he is at his age and where he is trying to be in the future.
The Future is not now, he knows it and will pace himself accordingly.
He is trying to improve slowly, let his muscle maturity run it's course by doing so, in 3 to 4 years he will be sitting pretty provided he does not get caught up with the almighty Scale, which has ruined it's share of potential great athletes.
Size is not going to be his problem down the road, Balance will become more important when you get right down to it.
He needs to focus on his weaknesses, sans the extra mass and the rest will take care of it's self.
Circa 1993 Flex Wheeler at the ASC never looked better and he was 216-218lbs at 5'10. His conditioning was sick and separation was rivaled by none!
This will be Heath's Ace in the Hole, as the majority of Pro's on the circuit today, sacrifice Conditioning for Mass.
This will separate him from the pack "Conditioning" and the cream will rise to the top.
Phil is handling his business at a young age being compared to guys with 5 to 10 yrs of more training is not really fair but he is ahead of most of them at this point of his career with time on his side.
ASC Top 5 Finalist, Mr. O qualification and possible top 6 finish in 07'. ;D
Peace,
S. Ray
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Heath's arms are already pretty loaded. I don't see where he needs to bring them up. If anything, maybe his chest. But he's got a nice flow to everything now. As for as putting on 20-30 lbs. I thought Melvin would throw it away if he went for more muscle and he did and he looks better than ever.
problem is that his arms kind of overshadow everything else on him right now, awesome bb'er though.
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Heath's arms are already pretty loaded. I don't see where he needs to bring them up. If anything, maybe his chest. But he's got a nice flow to everything now. As for as putting on 20-30 lbs. I thought Melvin would throw it away if he went for more muscle and he did and he looks better than ever.
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problem is that his arms kind of overshadow everything else on him right now, awesome bb'er though.
lets see what he does against the big boys..no way his perfect record stays intact
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lets see what he does against the big boys..no way his perfect record stays intact
he can beat guys like Alves, JOJ, even some of the best second tier guys like DJ and Markus, but against Jay, Ronnie, Dex, Gustavo, Victor, Gunter we'll just have to see.
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he can beat guys like Alves, JOJ, even some of the best second tier guys like DJ and Markus, but against Jay, Ronnie, Dex, Gustavo, Victor, Gunter we'll just have to see.
Gustavo is second tier me...you think Heath can beat Rule if Markus comes in 100%?
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Gustavo is second tier me...you think Heath can beat Rule if Markus comes in 100%?
Gustavo has proven that he's a first tier guy IMO, and i'm not saying that he SHOULD beat Markus but i'm saying that the judges will be blinded by Phil's "shape" over Ruhl's mind blowing size and condition.
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First off, props to Big_Wiggs for a well written and clearly thought out thread. It's obvious you put a lot of work into it.
I'm very impressed by Phil Heath. Despite his narrow clavicles and lighter weight, his muscles expand tremendously when he poses and his true talent shines through. In the side tricep pose, for instance, his arm seems impossibly thick, as do his hamstrings. It's wondrous how he can look like a narrow shouldered boy standing in the front relaxed pose and yet seem mound of muscle upon muscle in his hands together all muscular pose.
As for his future, he needs about 10-15 pounds of quality muscle, especially on his back. There's really no rush to do so because he is VERY competitive as he is (or was many months ago). It will be exciting to see how much he has improved since the NY Pro come March 3rd at the Arnold Classic.
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I agree with Shawn - Phil needs to pace himself, and decide strategically what is the best career moves for him. There is so much pressure on Phil for this year, everyone expects him to be the best, to become an overnight sensation now that he is competing in the his major pro bodybuilding show with some of the top ten in the world.
For some, placing in the top 6 of the Arnold Classic is great. For Phil Health, the top three is quite easily attainable. But to win the Arnold Classic... well... he has to go through Victor Martinez and Dexter Jackson, and they have a lot of say about this rookie sensation if he thinks he will win the Arnold.
However, I have to say that Phil is quite humble, friendly and realistic in his quest for rankings at the Arnold. Phil has learned is PR business well from his days as a basketball player.
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/2006/expo/oly5074.jpg)
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Thanks for all the compliments. I figure with some of the "Tom Foolery" I contribute to the board, I should bring something worth reading also. ;D More "analysis" and articles to come.
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He has a decent abs and thighs pose. See "Exibit8"
Phil Heath has a lot to prove yet. Remember what they said about Federov.. and he was standing next to Jay and Ronnie.
He's only beaten Darrem and an off Dennis James.
And someone need to get a life
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phils hits his side chest like ronnie hits his... he leans foward to much incorporating too much front delt
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Phil is on time for where he is at his age and where he is trying to be in the future.
The Future is not now, he knows it and will pace himself accordingly.
He is trying to improve slowly, let his muscle maturity run it's course by doing so, in 3 to 4 years he will be sitting pretty provided he does not get caught up with the almighty Scale, which has ruined it's share of potential great athletes.
Size is not going to be his problem down the road, Balance will become more important when you get right down to it.
He needs to focus on his weaknesses, sans the extra mass and the rest will take care of it's self.
Circa 1993 Flex Wheeler at the ASC never looked better and he was 216-218lbs at 5'10. His conditioning was sick and separation was rivaled by none!
This will be Heath's Ace in the Hole, as the majority of Pro's on the circuit today, sacrifice Conditioning for Mass.
This will separate him from the pack "Conditioning" and the cream will rise to the top.
Phil is handling his business at a young age being compared to guys with 5 to 10 yrs of more training is not really fair but he is ahead of most of them at this point of his career with time on his side.
ASC Top 5 Finalist, Mr. O qualification and possible top 6 finish in 07'. ;D
Peace,
S. Ray
what he said,,
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what he said,,
Welcome to the thread Nasser! :)
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his shape is similar to dexter but thicker.
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gh15 í have analyzed your old posts
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Phil Heath has a lot to prove yet.
Phil doesn't have jack to prove. He's already accomplished more then 98% of the pros with a Weider contract, several magazine covers, a Met-Rx contract, won two pro shows and several guest posings booked.