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Feds pushing for Internet records
BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers
MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.
For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.
The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.
"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.
"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."
So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.
In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornography has exploded as the Internet makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.
But federal agents and prosecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don't routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.
Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
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Feds pushing for Internet records
BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers
MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.
For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.
The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.
"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.
"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."
So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.
In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornography has exploded as the Internet makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.
But federal agents and prosecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don't routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.
Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
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And??
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What a load of Bullshit. I don't mess with kiddy porn but it is none of their business what I do. Why not just find the porn sites and then find out who has been to them from their records,rather than keep tabs on every place everyone goes.
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And??
And you're busted...you better throw away your computer and get a new one...you don't want to be on tv as a child perv. That figures too...pedophiles are always republicans.
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Feds pushing for Internet records
BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers
MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.
For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.
The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.
"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.
"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."
So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.
In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornography has exploded as the Internet makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.
But federal agents and prosecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don't routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.
Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
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f**k that. >:(
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And you're busted...you better throw away your computer and get a new one...you don't want to be on tv as a child perv.m That figures too...pedophiles are always republicans.
I have nothing to worry about...you?
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I have nothing to worry about...you?
not me...I'm not a republican.
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pedophiles are always republicans.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D
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not me...I'm not a republican. ;)
Then it's a non-issue then isn't it?
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And??
And What moron, you read it and comment, they're called words. cool huh... :P
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Then it's a non-issue then isn't it?
For me it is....I'm not the one with kiddy porn on my hard drive.
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Is that a fact????????
From the pages of YOUR left wing brothers and sisters........
http://www.xxx.com
Hope this helps!
Pointing blame elsewhere will not do you any good in court.
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Is that a fact????????
From the pages of YOUR left wing brothers and sisters........
http://www.xxx.com
Hope this helps!
And they should start with the data bases of these bastards >:(!!
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For me it is....I'm not the one with kiddy porn on my hard drive.
I guess we'll find out soon enough :D!
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What a load of Bullshit. I don't mess with kiddy porn but it is none of their business what I do. Why not just find the porn sites and then find out who has been to them from their records,rather than keep tabs on every place everyone goes.
exactly, they always masquerade this crap under something like this... Gee, you don't dare stand opposed to going after child pornographers and the ilk that go seek it right.... yea... oh brother.... and on the side they won't collect other information like what political sites you've gone to. They wont make any ASSumptions in your file because you read the communist manifesto online etc etc...
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And they should start with the data bases of these bastards >:(!!
wake up, this is about more than going after child porn. ::) I you that flipping naive...
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I guess we'll find out soon enough :D!
I'm Just playing around lighten up. I actually have a guy that works for me who was busted in August in an internet sex sting.He is 26 and went to meet what he thought was a 14 year old girl.He has yet to be sentenced but they took his computer.I can't stand the guy but I have been warned by MY boss that he is not to be mistreated over this.He was caught red handed and yet they always protect THEIR >:( rights...Amazing.
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wake up, this is about more than going after child porn. ::) I you that flipping naive...
You think that people affiliated with NAMBLA don't have kiddie porn on their DB's......if you don't think so, thats being naive!
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You think that people affiliated with NAMBLA don't have kiddie porn on their DB's......if you don't think so, thats being naive!
Is NAMBLA an orginization for boy lovers or something? I saw an episode of LAW AND ORDER about something like that. Sickos. >:(
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I'm Just playing around lighten up. I actually have a guy that works for me who was busted in August in an internet sex sting.He is 26 and went to meet what he thought was a 14 year old girl.He has yet to be sentenced but they took his computer.I can't stand the guy but I have been warned by MY boss that he is not to be mistreated over this.He was caught red handed and yet they always protect THEIR >:( rights...Amazing.
Didn't you post about this sometime ago?
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I'm Just playing around lighten up. I actually have a guy that works for me who was busted in August in an internet sex sting.He is 26 and went to meet what he thought was a 14 year old girl.He has yet to be sentenced but they took his computer.I can't stand the guy but I have been warned by MY boss that he is not to be mistreated over this.He was caught red handed and yet they always protect THEIR >:( rights...Amazing.
That's like a Darwin award... They can't breed in prison... I can't believe people are this dumb yet watch those nighline setups, absolutely hilarious... These guys get punked hardcore... Oh come in, take your cloths off, I'll be in there in a few seconds... put the beer in the fridge... Busted, there is Joe Reporter saying, What are you doing.... Sick but funny these guys are so stupid...
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nevermind just clicked the link...sickos. >:(
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Didn't you post about this sometime ago?
yes...still makes me mad.It looks like he will ONLY get house arrest and/or probation. ...That is just wrong,in my opinion.
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Intenseone please take that link down, WTF is your problem, you've done more promotion for that site than anyone. Something you want to tell us ::) You also just made the point here... If they were collecting data, they would now have it that gtbro visted Nambla. Dude, take the link down please... I don't know why you post it so often :-\
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Is NAMBLA an orginization for boy lovers or something? I saw an episode of LAW AND ORDER about something like that. Sickos. >:(
Yes...it stands for North American Man/Boy Love Association
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Intenseone please take that link down, WTF is your problem, you've done more promotion for that site than anyone. Something you want to tell us ::) You also just made the point here... If they were collecting data, they would now have it that gtbro visted Nambla. Dude, take the link down please... I don't know why you post it so often :-\
Yeah that was pretty dumb of me to click it...because I was fairly certain that's what it was. :-\
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Yes...it stands for North American Man/Boy Love Association
Dude, take the link down, really what the fuck is your problem man... ::)
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Intenseone please take that link down, WTF is your problem, you've done more promotion for that site than anyone. Something you want to tell us ::) You also just made the point here... If they were collecting data, they would now have it that gtbro visted Nambla. Dude, take the link down please... I don't know why you post it so often :-\
I post to make a point when we (Republicans) get a accused of being pedos....I'll remove it right now!
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Yeah that was pretty dumb of me to click it...because I was fairly certain that's what it was. :-\
search it here and see how often Intenseone has posted that link... I didn't even know they had a page until he posted it ::) I remember it from South Park and republicans use to mention it all the time in conjunction with those civil rights lawyers... But serious Intenseone, do you need to keep posting the link ::)
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I post to make a point when we (Republicans) get a accused of being pedos....I'll remove it right now!
You mean someone else has accused republicans of being pedophiles? HAHAHAHAH I just threw that comment in there for fun because I knew Intensone was reading the thread. :D
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I post to make a point when we (Republicans) get a accused of being pedos....I'll remove it right now!
thank you... Next time you can probably make your point without sending them traffic :-\
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Int. are you saying nambla is liberal ::) I guess your point went over my head what the hell did you post it for ???
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search it here and see how often Intenseone has posted that link... I didn't even know they had a page until he posted it ::) I remember it from South Park and republicans use to mention it all the time in conjunction with those civil rights lawyers... But serious Intenseone, do you need to keep posting the link ::)
I only posted it once before about a year ago.....don't over exaggerate!
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Int. are you saying nambla is liberal ::) I guess your point went over my head what the hell did you post it for ???
To show it was a liberal site!
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To show it was a liberal site!
It says it's a liberal site? ::)
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I only posted it once before about a year ago.....don't over exaggerate!
very funny, you kept posting it like crazy there for a bit... It's gone now but I remember you going nut for some reason with the nambla site.
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To show it was a liberal site!
How do you know it is a "LIBERAL" site? just because they are sickos doesn't mean they are dems.
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very funny, you kept posting it like crazy there for a bit... It's gone now but I remember you going nut for some reason with the nambla site.
I posted the link one other time Berserker, it was reposted in response to my post....it's a sick site and I would NEVER post it over and over again >:(!!
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I posted the link one other time Berserker, it was reposted in response to my post....it's a sick site and I would NEVER post it over and over again >:(!!
How did you find it?
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How did you find it?
ahahahahha... busted.... :P
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yes Intenseone, without posting anything sick, back up Nambla is Liberal ::)
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yes Intenseone, without posting anything sick, back up Nambla is Liberal ::)
BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMS, DAMN IT!!! ::)
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AHHAHAHAHHAHHAAHHHAHA... .. LOOKIE, my search turned up... Republicans for Nambla!!!
HOLY CRAP :o
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97962.0
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Why not just find the porn sites and then find out who has been to them from their records,rather than keep tabs on every place everyone goes.
You've got my vote. My liberal and conservative friends also agree to this.
But honestly, your question is rhetorical.
We KNOW the reason behind this proposal:
...another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.
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We had this debate about 2 years ago in Gossip, NOBODY could find a serious list past about 5 people that were dems, but look through this:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97962.0
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AHHAHAHAHHAHHAAHHHAHA..... LOOKIE, my search turned up... Republicans for Nambla!!!
HOLY CRAP :o
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97962.0
hahahahahahaha
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hahahahahahaha
(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xPeId5aPpWB8bM:http://www.twistednerve.co.uk/tnxl153/red_hand.gif)
DO'H!!!! AHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA
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INTENSEONE JUST WENT MIA lololol.... :P
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I have nothing to worry about...you?
I agree. The sickos who are into kiddie porn should be very concerned. I'm not.
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I agree. The sickos who are into kiddie porn should be very concerned. I'm not.
::)
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Im' perhaps the most public guy on the forums. i'm on getbig, or working, all day long. i have literally nothing to hide at all. however i am very much against the govt just reading everything on my PC.
Anyone who is "a-okay" with it is not seeing all the possibilities.
There will be monster abuses. Do you think the federal agent who snoops on Warren buffet's computer isn't going to go home and buy stocks accordingly? Do you think the agent whose brother runs a business competing with yours isn't going to snoop for a few min at your marketing plan? Do you think the local candidate for whatever isn't going to try to find out every flirtatious email his competitor has sent in the last 15 years?
Those who are making the law might have the purest of intentions. but man is man. And every agent with a blank check to read PCs will be stealing naked pics of your wife, reading your diary, etc etc. These folks have govt paychecks and aren't exactly loaded, so there will be chances for corruption are monster. And even if you're completely clean, the *perception* of being dirty can ruin you.
For example-
Mr I, would you like everyone in your gym to find out that you just posted a link to Nambla on a weightlifting board of all places? Of course not. It was in the midst of an online discussion on politics, and you're completely NOT like that. Everyone here knows that you are a religious man and strong conservative. But suppose you had a phycho ex who would try to use that info agianst you in a custody battle. Shit. That would look so bad as you tried to explain posting such a link on an all-ages board.
See how f'king dangerous it is when you can see everyone on someone's PCs? Every time you accidently click something, get redirected, make a casual or flippant remark to someone, that info would suddenly become damning to your reputation.
It's a dangerous law. I'm all for snooping on the bad guys. But a blank check to every PC in the country is inviting large levels of corruption and abuse.
well said... My little myopic friend Beach, please print this out and put it above your puter... centered... :D
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Im' perhaps the most public guy on the forums. i'm on getbig, or working, all day long. i have literally nothing to hide at all. however i am very much against the govt just reading everything on my PC.
Anyone who is "a-okay" with it is not seeing all the possibilities.
There will be monster abuses. Do you think the federal agent who snoops on Warren buffet's computer isn't going to go home and buy stocks accordingly? Do you think the agent whose brother runs a business competing with yours isn't going to snoop for a few min at your marketing plan? Do you think the local candidate for whatever isn't going to try to find out every flirtatious email his competitor has sent in the last 15 years?
Those who are making the law might have the purest of intentions. but man is man. And every agent with a blank check to read PCs will be stealing naked pics of your wife, reading your diary, etc etc. These folks have govt paychecks and aren't exactly loaded, so there will be chances for corruption are monster. And even if you're completely clean, the *perception* of being dirty can ruin you.
For example-
Mr I, would you like everyone in your gym to find out that you just posted a link to Nambla on a weightlifting board of all places? Of course not. It was in the midst of an online discussion on politics, and you're completely NOT like that. Everyone here knows that you are a religious man and strong conservative. But suppose you had a phycho ex who would try to use that info agianst you in a custody battle. Shit. That would look so bad as you tried to explain posting such a link on an all-ages board.
See how f'king dangerous it is when you can see everyone on someone's PCs? Every time you accidently click something, get redirected, make a casual or flippant remark to someone, that info would suddenly become damning to your reputation.
It's a dangerous law. I'm all for snooping on the bad guys. But a blank check to every PC in the country is inviting large levels of corruption and abuse.
Good Post. Some very valid points there. I know if I had the ability to snoop without consequenses...I probably would.I would like to think I wouldn't,but...
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Mr I, would you like everyone in your gym to find out that you just posted a link to Nambla on a weightlifting board of all places? Of course not. It was in the midst of an online discussion on politics, and you're completely NOT like that. Everyone here knows that you are a religious man and strong conservative. But suppose you had a phycho ex who would try to use that info agianst you in a custody battle. Shit. That would look so bad as you tried to explain posting such a link on an all-ages board.
Exactly.
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I only posted it once before about a year ago.....don't over exaggerate!
BUZZ wrong again. You posted it a few months ago when another Republican Mark Foley then co-chair on the Congressional Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, got caught preying on pubescent boys. I remember this cause I clicked the link and came up disgusted. :'(
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To show it was a liberal site!
If it's a Liberal site, ...why were they urging everyone to vote Republican in the mid-terms?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UamvC6MQY8
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Re this new "law," what is the specific language? Pretty difficult to debate a proposed law when you don't even know what it says.
Re NAMBLA: I don't have a problem saying it's something that falls within the liberal camp. Liberals support the homosexual rights movement and essentially normalizing all facets of the homosexual rights movement. That includes some normal people and some bizarre elements. The bizarre side includes bisexuality, transvestites, and those who have sex with young kids. We have some absolutely ridiculous statutory language in Hawaii brought to us by the liberals who support this movement. These folks pretty much believe sexuality is whatever you want it to be, and we have statutory language that says just that. It's wild.
I participated in a classroom discussion with a well educated professor once who defended NAMBLA. Scary stuff.
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BUZZ wrong again. You posted it a few months ago when another Republican Mark Foley then co-chair on the Congressional Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, got caught preying on pubescent boys. I remember this cause I clicked the link and came up disgusted. :'(
I could have swore I remembered him posting it more than once.
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If it's a Liberal site, ...why were they urging everyone to vote Republican in the mid-terms?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UamvC6MQY8
Is that for real or a joke? I had to click off when the cowboy was holding hands with a boy :-X
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Is that for real or a joke? I had to click off when the cowboy was holding hands with a boy :-X
I know this one is a joke. It's a Mark Foley spoof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zE00NSEKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zE00NSEKE)
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Why can't Intenseone explain why it's a liberal site... I suspect he holds it as a liberal site because some civil liberty lawyers defended them. That's not the same thing if that's what he's thinking... For one thing groups like the aclu are critical of both parties and have helped people from the right to the left. Come on Intenseone, what the hell was your angle here, why is it liberal?
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I know this one is a joke. It's a Mark Foley spoof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zE00NSEKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zE00NSEKE)
was the first one a real commercial, surely not or was it something they made for their site or what, I'm just trying to get if they were really backing republicans... that would be funny if true...
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