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Feds pushing for Internet records
« on: January 07, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
Feds pushing for Internet records

BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers



MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.

For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.

The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.

"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.

"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."

So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.

In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornography has exploded as the Internet makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.

But federal agents and prosecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don't routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.

Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2007, 08:04:40 PM »
Feds pushing for Internet records

BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers



MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.

For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.

The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.

"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.

"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."

So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.

In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornography has exploded as the Internet makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.

But federal agents and prosecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don't routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.

Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2007, 08:05:07 PM »
  What a load of Bullshit. I don't mess with kiddy porn but it is none of their business what I do. Why not just find the porn sites and then find out who has been to them from their records,rather than keep tabs on every place everyone goes.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2007, 08:06:13 PM »
And??


And you're busted...you better throw away your computer and get a new one...you don't want to be on tv as a child perv. That figures too...pedophiles are always republicans.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2007, 08:06:50 PM »
Feds pushing for Internet records

BY JOHN REINAN
McClatchy Newspapers



MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.

For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.

The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.

"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.

"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."

So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.

In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornography has exploded as the Internet makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.

But federal agents and prosecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don't routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.

Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

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f**k that.  >:(
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2007, 08:07:17 PM »

And you're busted...you better throw away your computer and get a new one...you don't want to be on tv as a child perv.m That figures too...pedophiles are always republicans.

I have nothing to worry about...you?

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2007, 08:07:51 PM »
I have nothing to worry about...you?

not me...I'm not a republican.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2007, 08:08:01 PM »
pedophiles are always republicans.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2007, 08:08:39 PM »
not me...I'm not a republican. ;)

Then it's a non-issue then isn't it?

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2007, 08:10:50 PM »
And??
And What moron, you read it and comment, they're called words.  cool huh... :P

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2007, 08:12:18 PM »
Then it's a non-issue then isn't it?

   For me it is....I'm not the one with kiddy porn on my hard drive.

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2007, 08:13:08 PM »
Is that a fact????????

From the pages of YOUR left wing brothers and sisters........

http://www.xxx.com


Hope this helps!

 
  Pointing blame elsewhere will not do you any good in court.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2007, 08:13:21 PM »
Is that a fact????????

From the pages of YOUR left wing brothers and sisters........

http://www.xxx.com


Hope this helps!

And they should start with the data bases of these bastards >:(!!

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2007, 08:14:38 PM »
  For me it is....I'm not the one with kiddy porn on my hard drive.

I guess we'll find out soon enough :D!

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2007, 08:16:37 PM »
 What a load of Bullshit. I don't mess with kiddy porn but it is none of their business what I do. Why not just find the porn sites and then find out who has been to them from their records,rather than keep tabs on every place everyone goes.
exactly, they always masquerade this crap under something like this... Gee, you don't dare stand opposed to going after child pornographers and the ilk that go seek it right.... yea... oh brother.... and on the side they won't collect other information like what political sites you've gone to.  They wont make any ASSumptions in your file because you read the communist manifesto online etc etc...

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2007, 08:18:54 PM »
And they should start with the data bases of these bastards >:(!!
wake up, this is about more than going after child porn. ::) I you that flipping naive...

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2007, 08:19:11 PM »
I guess we'll find out soon enough :D!

 I'm Just playing around lighten up. I actually have a guy that works for me who was busted in August in an internet sex sting.He is 26 and went to meet what he thought was a 14 year old girl.He has yet to be sentenced but they took his computer.I can't stand the guy but I have been warned by MY boss that he is not to be mistreated over this.He was caught red handed and yet they always protect THEIR  >:(  rights...Amazing.

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2007, 08:21:06 PM »
wake up, this is about more than going after child porn. ::) I you that flipping naive...

You think that people affiliated with NAMBLA don't have kiddie porn on their DB's......if you don't think so, thats being naive!

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2007, 08:22:26 PM »
You think that people affiliated with NAMBLA don't have kiddie porn on their DB's......if you don't think so, thats being naive!

Is NAMBLA an orginization for boy lovers or something? I saw an episode of LAW AND ORDER about something like that. Sickos. >:(

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2007, 08:23:02 PM »
I'm Just playing around lighten up. I actually have a guy that works for me who was busted in August in an internet sex sting.He is 26 and went to meet what he thought was a 14 year old girl.He has yet to be sentenced but they took his computer.I can't stand the guy but I have been warned by MY boss that he is not to be mistreated over this.He was caught red handed and yet they always protect THEIR  >:(  rights...Amazing.

Didn't you post about this sometime ago?

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2007, 08:23:10 PM »
I'm Just playing around lighten up. I actually have a guy that works for me who was busted in August in an internet sex sting.He is 26 and went to meet what he thought was a 14 year old girl.He has yet to be sentenced but they took his computer.I can't stand the guy but I have been warned by MY boss that he is not to be mistreated over this.He was caught red handed and yet they always protect THEIR  >:(  rights...Amazing.
That's like a Darwin award...  They can't breed in prison... I can't believe people are this dumb yet watch those nighline setups, absolutely hilarious...  These guys get punked hardcore... Oh come in, take your cloths off, I'll be in there in a few seconds... put the beer in the fridge... Busted, there is Joe Reporter saying, What are you doing....  Sick but funny these guys are so stupid...

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2007, 08:23:17 PM »
 nevermind just clicked the link...sickos. >:(

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2007, 08:24:29 PM »
Didn't you post about this sometime ago?

yes...still makes me mad.It looks like he will ONLY get house arrest and/or probation. ...That is just wrong,in my opinion.

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2007, 08:26:01 PM »
Intenseone please take that link down, WTF is your problem, you've done more promotion for that site than anyone.  Something you want to tell us ::)  You also just made the point here...  If they were collecting data, they would now have it that gtbro visted Nambla.  Dude, take the link down please... I don't know why you post it so often :-\

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2007, 08:26:22 PM »
Is NAMBLA an orginization for boy lovers or something? I saw an episode of LAW AND ORDER about something like that. Sickos. >:(

Yes...it stands for North American Man/Boy Love Association