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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
Good post. Anyone doubting Croatch can visit www.michaelcrichton.com and get set straight.
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"second hand"
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
no it dosen't...
for YEARS after training i used to train..then immediately go to my bar for some beers and ciggys..
there r more alkie related deaths in the USA/ys than ciggy related deaths..
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
croatch smokes, huh?
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no it dosen't...
for YEARS after training i used to train..then immediately go to my bar for some beers and ciggys..
Gee, you sound REALLY dedicated to fitness.
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Gee, you sound REALLY dedicated to fitness.
He's also a cokehead.
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The boss in my office smokes cigars which pisses me right off. Problem is that there's just three of us in the office including him. So if I do rat him out to any labour organizations (not allowed to smoke in the office) it'll be pretty dam obvious its me as the other guy smokes too (at least not in the office).
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Gee, you sound REALLY dedicated to fitness.
did i say i ws fuckface?
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did i say i ws fuckface?
No, you didn't say you were a fuckface, but I'm starting to believe you are. :)
Why do you workout if you drink and smoke every day?
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
maybe not, but it for sure causes: you stink like burnt shit, get the fuck away from me syndrome...
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
IDK, but it fucking smells disgusting.
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Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet
August 2006
Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1
Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).2
Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.3
Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.4
A study found that nonsmokers exposed to environmental smoke were 25 percent more likely to have coronary heart diseases compared to nonsmokers not exposed to smoke.5
Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.6
Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada.7 Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.8
Currently, 14 states including California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New Jersey Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, have already passed strong smoke-free air laws.9
As of 2005, nine smoke-free states prohibit smoking in almost all workplaces, including restaurants and bars (CA, CT, DE, ME, MA, NY, RI, VT and WA).10
Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 1,900 to 2,700 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.11
Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits per year.12 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.13
In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis.14 Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.15
New research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.16
The current Surgeon General's Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack.17
For more information on secondhand smoke, please review the Tobacco Morbidity and Mortality Trend Report as well as our Lung Disease Data publication in the Data and Statistics section of our website, or call the American Lung Association at 1-800-LUNG-USA (1-800-586-4872).
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See my avatar? In yo face, mofo. Second hand that.
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
What's your point? Secondhand smoke is harmful and not at all good for you. That's a no-brainer. Who cares exactly how it's bad for you?
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What's your point? Secondhand smoke is harmful and not at all good for you. That's a no-brainer. Who cares exactly how it's bad for you?
they say the same thing about steroids...but look at the current state of bodybuilding..
oh wait...never mind
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
sure it dose.
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sure it dose.
Please tell me someone didn't just spell does - dose.
Just when you've think you've seen it all on getbig.com. A definately or a rediculous, are bad, but passable. Dose, is just unacceptable.
2nd hand smoke definitely does not cause cancer. The entire claim is ridiculous. ;)
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Please tell me someone didn't just spell does - dose.
Just when you've think you've seen it all on getbig.com. A definately or a rediculous, are bad, but passable. Dose, is just unacceptable.
2nd hand smoke definitely does not cause cancer. The entire claim is ridiculous. ;)
The man who's deathly opposed to tans, implants, steroids and anything deemed 'not natural' smokes.. LOL, priceless.
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The man who's deathly opposed to tans, implants, steroids and anything deemed 'not natural' smokes.. LOL, priceless.
Not opposed to tanning, there is no possible way to change pale skin. Don't smoke, but the 2nd hand smoke crusade is bullshit.
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Not opposed to tanning, there is no possible way to change pale skin. Don't smoke, but the 2nd hand smoke crusade is bullshit.
To each their own, I just don't like standing somewhere and having somebody else's smoke blown in my face, other habits like drinking don't have this problem.. one person drinks, it doesn't affect the person next to them. Smoke by nature spreads in the air.
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To each their own, I just don't like standing somewhere and having somebody else's smoke blown in my face, other habits like drinking don't have this problem.. one person drinks, it doesn't affect the person next to them. Smoke by nature spreads in the air.
If I go out and hear a bunch of drunk people acting like douchebags, it does affect me.
I agree 100% though. Smells like shit, but there is no basis for barring it from restaurants, etc. There were studies done in 97' which show 2nd smoke to not be cancer causing. It's basically being passed because smokers are in the minority and most people don't want to smell smoke, that's all. It's a political move, nothing more.
Dose that make sense? Dose...oh brother. I think I spelt does correctly since 4yrs old. ;)
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Can also go to wwwJunkScience.com if anyone is concerned about just that, junk science. Most of those research lab's depend on government or private grants to stay in business (and it is a business). Most can and will come up with any finding they think the fund givers will agree with. And the few lab's that do not, are usually ignored or glossed over. Even college lab's come under this negative influence. Political correctness rears it's ugly head again.
Second hand smoke (as well as global warning) fall into the class of not really being sure of any hard evidence, in either case. When you put rats in a small glass booth and pump in layer upon layer of smoke 24/7, the rodents can develop cancer or any other major disease over a period of time. Doesn't even come close (by 10,000 plus times) to what a human may experience being around second hand smoke over a life time.
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No, you didn't say you were a fuckface, but I'm starting to believe you are. :)
Why do you workout if you drink and smoke every day?
meh..my life...my body..my choice ...
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Not opposed to tanning, there is no possible way to change pale skin. Don't smoke, but the 2nd hand smoke crusade is bullshit.
Agreed.
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Who cares.
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Lots of people to be slapping around
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm
All I could is find studies that contradict what you're saying, and allot do. Not only that, but if you ever worked in a bar or restruant, than you'd know what you would smell like after a shift. No going out, you stink. Forget about meeting someone, the first smell and she's gone. Even if it doesn't cause cancer, the rest of the things it does suck. Now weed.........use a bong, no cloud to remain on your clothes and hair.
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fuck smokers, who cares if it's not true... They don't think about others, I don't give a shit if they've been kicked out of public.
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smokers are the scum of society
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meh..my life...my body..my choice ...
Is this smoking or an abortion you're referring to?
Can also go to wwwJunkScience.com if anyone is concerned about just that, junk science. Most of those research lab's depend on government or private grants to stay in business (and it is a business). Most can and will come up with any finding they think the fund givers will agree with. And the few lab's that do not, are usually ignored or glossed over. Even college lab's come under this negative influence. Political correctness rears it's ugly head again.
The only point I'm trying to make is that, don't believe everything you hear. The government is full of shit on many things.
f**k smokers, who cares if it's not true... They don't think about others, I don't give a shit if they've been kicked out of public.
You're missing the point. They try to pass laws with no actual proof, other than smoking offends people. Imagine if they didn't allow juicers in gyms, you'd probably be irrate on that one. If juicers were in the majority across the country, that would be legal as well. It's about votes and not really your "health".
Back to synthol and steroids now....
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I remember reading somewhere that tabacco plants suck up radiation from the ground and disperse it throughout the leaves, which is the part that is smoked. This would explain the elevated cancer risk, and that would make second hand smoke basically a radioactive cloud coming at you. Not pretty to say the least.
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Does anyone believe that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer? If so, let me know and I'll smack you for being a dope.
say that to the hundreds of kids under the age of 12 that turned up with lung cancer because both their parents smoked..
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I remember reading somewhere that tabacco plants suck up radiation from the ground and disperse it throughout the leaves, which is the part that is smoked. This would explain the elevated cancer risk, and that would make second hand smoke basically a radioactive cloud coming at you. Not pretty to say the least.
Yeah, I remember that article. It came right after that one about Frosty the Snowman.
say that to the hundreds of kids under the age of 12 that turned up with lung cancer because both their parents smoked..
Where is the direct proof that 2nd hand smoke actually caused that? Answer, there is none. Please tell me you're not dumb enough to believe a tale like that. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it a fact. Get with it bro.
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where is your proof that second hand smoke doesn't cause lung cancer
do you smoke croatch?
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The burden of proof is on the people making the outrageous claim.
Second hand smoke doesn't cause cancer. It IS political bs.
Look doctor! Another man dead! Second hand smoke killed him!!!
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where is your proof that second hand smoke doesn't cause lung cancer
do you smoke croatch?
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No, I don't smoke.
There are many studies on each. A study doesn't mean much if you consider how easy it is to manipulate data. For every 2nd hand smoke study saying it's harmful, I could find one that counters it. If a person were in a small room with 3 smokers for a period of years, I would say they could be harmed. To say that someone in a restaurant is much more likely to get cancer if they're smokers in there, is just garbage though. Even in a bar, etc. If a waitress dies of lung cancer, they may attribute that to 2nd hand smoke, but it's possible she simply was predisposed to cancer. Point being, they truly don't know shit. The funniest is talking about kids who have died from this under 12...quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Simple common sense should tell you how full of crap some of these studies are. If there were truth behind many of these studies, our race should have been getting lung cancer left and right 20 years ago from all the restaurants we were in with smokers and bars. I'm glad my government cares so much about my health...oh brother.
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I have not always agreed with you about things Croatch, but this time I do. It is a bunch of crap and they gather support for these kind of things from people who don't even go to bars, sit near smoking sections, etc. It does not even matter to them other than to sit on a moral high-ground. Those same people have no problem with their bodyfat being too high, not being active, etc. Even if they do not like smoke when they get near it, not gonna kill them, or even do any real harm. Is it irritating to see people take small children to sit in smoking sections and things like that? Yeah, it is..but..adults have choices to make on their own...As a non-smoker you can just stay away from a business that allows smoking if you need to. If enough people do that, the establishment might change the policy without any governement shit. There are people out there, older ones who always vote BTW, that control these things without even being affected by them. A lot of bars seem to be doing fine by allowing smoking. Even non-smokers in a bar situation know what they are getting into and 99% of the time are in a group where more than one person smokes. As a business owner you put your ass on the line and certain business types need to allow smoking. Agree or not, it's true...The government bullshit does apply to the BB game also...
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You're missing the point. They try to pass laws with no actual proof, other than smoking offends people. Imagine if they didn't allow juicers in gyms, you'd probably be irrate on that one. If juicers were in the majority across the country, that would be legal as well. It's about votes and not really your "health".
Back to synthol and steroids now....
That's funny because you strike me as the type that would ban juicers from the gym. You've spent enough time bitching about them. And there's a big difference, AAS doesn't rub off on people around the user. If I'm around a smoker, I end up smelling like shit too. Well I don't want to smell like nasty ass cig smoke so fuck them. I like eat in a restaurant without smelling like cigerette smoke for the rest of the day. Smoking is nasty.
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That's funny because you strike me as the type that would ban juicers from the gym. You've spent enough time bitching about them. And there's a big difference, AAS doesn't rub off on people around the user. If I'm around a smoker, I end up smelling like shit too. Well I don't want to smell like nasty ass cig smoke so f**k them. I like eat in a restaurant without smelling like cigerette smoke for the rest of the day. Smoking is nasty.
You can't go around banning things, simply cause you don't like them. I don't like it when people stink like alcohol and act like douchebags. Maybe they should just ban public drinking?
Also, get rid of public gayness. I'm sure many would be for that one. 2 guys kissing in public is cool, but just don't smoke. This country is shot.
Yes, they should ban anyone who uses steroids in all gyms. Why, cause I'd like to really see what people are made of, drugs aside. How fun would it be to see how weak and mediocre people would be without their miracle pills/shots/implants. I would call the gym "Naturals". No breast implants either. I want to know it's a true big titty, if it catches my eye. I think I'm going to find a study on how people on steroids offend people who train natural, then get someone to pass a law on it. Good idea.
Just cause you don't agree with something or like it, doesn't mean a law should be passed on it. Think back to days of segregation. Whites didn't like blacks and they couldn't even go to the same restaurants, etc. Now how ridiculous was that? At the time it seems perfectly normal though. If someone doesn't like smelling like smoke, don't sit in the smoking section. It's not that hard. And yes, smoking smells like complete shit..haha
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You can't go around banning things, simply cause you don't like them. I don't like it when people stink like alcohol and act like douchebags. Maybe they should just ban public drinking?
Also, get rid of public gayness. I'm sure many would be for that one. 2 guys kissing in public is cool, but just don't smoke. This country is shot.
Yes, they should ban anyone who uses steroids in all gyms. Why, cause I'd like to really see what people are made of, drugs aside. How fun would it be to see how weak and mediocre people would be without their miracle pills/shots/implants. I would call the gym "Naturals". No breast implants either. I want to know it's a true big titty, if it catches my eye. I think I'm going to find a study on how people on steroids offend people who train natural, then get someone to pass a law on it. Good idea.
Just cause you don't agree with something or like it, doesn't mean a law should be passed on it. Think back to days of segregation. Whites didn't like blacks and they couldn't even go to the same restaurants, etc. Now how ridiculous was that? At the time it seems perfectly normal though. If someone doesn't like smelling like smoke, don't sit in the smoking section. It's not that hard. And yes, smoking smells like complete shit..haha
Well, I agree, I wish steriods were not but that's not reality of it and I'm not about to become sour over what others do. You know who you are, what you are, fuck everybody else. Who you are does not depend on who others are unless you make it that way.
I've been around long enought to know the smoking section doesn't cut it... the whole place smells like smoke unless the establishment really had it planned good and not many of them did. aside from restaurants, there were not smoking sections... It's not like you can go bowling or some other thing back in the day and avoid the fog bank of smoke... It really sucked when smoking was popular with everyone and people could smoke nearly everywhere.
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Here's the way I feel about it... I'm for a persons right everytime unless that right infringes on another's right in public. The smoker has a right to smoke and the non-smoker has a right to not breath smoke. Does the non smoker make way for the smoker and avoid all public areas? Or does the smoker yield his habit for the non smoker. He still gets to smoke away from public and the non-smoker gets to breath fresh air. both get keep their rights in this matter... I say it works better with the smoker yielding to the non-smoker with his right to smoke rather than him expecting the non-smoker to yield their right to breath clean air.
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Yeah, I remember that article. It came right after that one about Frosty the Snowman.Where is the direct proof that 2nd hand smoke actually caused that? Answer, there is none. Please tell me you're not dumb enough to believe a tale like that. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it a fact. Get with it bro.
Why don't you just go ahead and say that smoking itself doesn't cause cancer...Get a clue...Some people are more vunerable to cancer...To say it doesn't cause cancer is just stupid...You have it all backwards...The governments of the world tried hiding facts about this for decades...It doesn't take a genius to know that smoke (regardless of what is in it)is an irratent...Get enough of any irratent and it can be problematic for anyone...Their have been babies that develope broncidious because of the mother smoking 24/7...Asthma is another problem that for sure comes for smoking and second hand smoke...I reason you see so many studies going the other way is for one reason and one reason only...To protect employers esp. in the restuarant business from being sued by their employes...Do you really believe that states like california(very liberal state and New York) wouldn't still be fighing smoking in public if they had a leg to stand on?
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You can't go around banning things, simply cause you don't like them. I don't like it when people stink like alcohol and act like douchebags. Maybe they should just ban public drinking?
Also, get rid of public gayness. I'm sure many would be for that one. 2 guys kissing in public is cool, but just don't smoke. This country is shot.
Yes, they should ban anyone who uses steroids in all gyms. Why, cause I'd like to really see what people are made of, drugs aside. How fun would it be to see how weak and mediocre people would be without their miracle pills/shots/implants. I would call the gym "Naturals". No breast implants either. I want to know it's a true big titty, if it catches my eye. I think I'm going to find a study on how people on steroids offend people who train natural, then get someone to pass a law on it. Good idea.
Just cause you don't agree with something or like it, doesn't mean a law should be passed on it. Think back to days of segregation. Whites didn't like blacks and they couldn't even go to the same restaurants, etc. Now how ridiculous was that? At the time it seems perfectly normal though. If someone doesn't like smelling like smoke, don't sit in the smoking section. It's not that hard. And yes, smoking smells like complete shit..haha
Re-read what you just wrote...After doing so, if you don't come away thinking this was written by a total retard. Then you must be retarded...WTF :-\
http://www.smoke-free.ca/Second-Hand-Smoke/health_kids.htm
i guess Canada(how much more liberal can you get)is messing with their statistics to show hundreds of thousands of reported illnesses to kids under 18 :-\ :-\
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You can't go around banning things, simply cause you don't like them. I don't like it when people stink like alcohol and act like douchebags. Maybe they should just ban public drinking?
Also, get rid of public gayness. I'm sure many would be for that one. 2 guys kissing in public is cool, but just don't smoke. This country is shot.
Yes, they should ban anyone who uses steroids in all gyms. Why, cause I'd like to really see what people are made of, drugs aside. How fun would it be to see how weak and mediocre people would be without their miracle pills/shots/implants. I would call the gym "Naturals". No breast implants either. I want to know it's a true big titty, if it catches my eye. I think I'm going to find a study on how people on steroids offend people who train natural, then get someone to pass a law on it. Good idea.
Just cause you don't agree with something or like it, doesn't mean a law should be passed on it. Think back to days of segregation. Whites didn't like blacks and they couldn't even go to the same restaurants, etc. Now how ridiculous was that? At the time it seems perfectly normal though. If someone doesn't like smelling like smoke, don't sit in the smoking section. It's not that hard. And yes, smoking smells like complete shit..haha
and sucking on the back of a tail pipe won't kill ya either right
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Yes, cus sucking a tail pipe is like walking by someone smoking. ::)
Oh brother.
Croatch is right, if anything we need less laws. It's turning into a fascist state controlled by old fuckers.
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Re-read what you just wrote...After doing so, if you don't come away thinking this was written by a total retard. Then you must be retarded...WTF
http://www.smoke-free.ca/Second-Hand-Smoke/health_kids.htm
i guess Canada(how much more liberal can you get)is messing with their statistics to show hundreds of thousands of reported illnesses to kids under 18
If you believe that bunch of horseshit, I pray for you. What a bland uncontrolled study. You need to pick up on things like:
A British study found that SIDS deaths could be reduced by two-thirds if parents did not smoke.***
Could be reduce...not are reduced.
A U.S. analysis** of over 100 reports on pædiatric diseases concluded that children’s exposure to tobacco smoke is responsible for up to:
Repsonsible for up to, not responsible for. Hell, it could be responsible for all of them, or maybe none.
ETS is causally linked with a number of adverse health effects in children (under 18), including:
Causally linked, meaning not directly, but a possible link.
It's odd, my dad smoked 2 packs a day and I have had none of the mentioned things in this study. I must have superior genetics or, maybe it's just a bunch of bullshit many people are dumb enough to buy. Trust me, there are no actual studies to prove that 2nd hand smoke directly has caused even one death. Why, because there are no controlled studies on this matter. It's all speculation. You could say that all these illnesses are cause by the exhausts from cars in the city. I could make a study showing how people who live in NYC are 3x as likely to get respiratory illness. It's a joke bro, wake the f**k up.
Meltdown..haha ;)
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If you believe that bunch of horseshit, I pray for you. What a bland uncontrolled study. You need to pick up on things like:
A British study found that SIDS deaths could be reduced by two-thirds if parents did not smoke.***
Could be reduce...not are reduced.
A U.S. analysis** of over 100 reports on pædiatric diseases concluded that children’s exposure to tobacco smoke is responsible for up to:
Repsonsible for up to, not responsible for. Hell, it could be responsible for all of them, or maybe none.
ETS is causally linked with a number of adverse health effects in children (under 18), including:
Causally linked, meaning not directly, but a possible link.
It's odd, my dad smoked 2 packs a day and I have had none of the mentioned things in this study. I must have superior genetics or, maybe it's just a bunch of bullshit many people are dumb enough to buy. Trust me, there are no actual studies to prove that 2nd hand smoke directly has caused even one death. Why, because there are no controlled studies on this matter. It's all speculation. You could say that all these illnesses are cause by the exhausts from cars in the city. I could make a study showing how people who live in NYC are 3x as likely to get respiratory illness. It's a joke bro, wake the f**k up.
Meltdown..haha ;)
Their is no real studies because they are all buried...But i will make this very simple. Do you believe that Benzene and Methylene Chloride are carcinogens and Mutagens(cancer causing and gene mutating agents?) They are known to be. No real disputing that one i hope Croatch. But its your choice as whether you "believe" them to be..Its One of the reasons why i give the sucking on the end of a tail pipe analogy. If you were to purchase them to be used in a lab(they do have scientific value as solvents),they are clearly marked as cancer causing agents. They have to be used in hoods or isolaters(glove boxes)in the labs(why do you think that is?)
If you accept that they are , then the answer is simple. Smoke contains these compounds. Chemically and physically, it contains them. They are by-products of the combustion process. They form at a particular temperature during the burning. They are classified under the term "hex" because of the hexgonal Benzene Ring in the molecule. If you look at a gas chromotograph of various peaks in cigarette smoke(remember the peaks in the movie medicine man?)they are usually far toward the right of the graph. Its the hex compounds that are very nasty. These tie into the concept of "free radicals" (tell me you believe in free radicals?) which everyone has heard about. If you inhale smoke, then your putting Benzene, methylene Cloride and other "hex" ring compounds into your lungs,sinuses, throat ect(Just imagine a 12 year olds lung, sinuses, and throat which are still evolving)where they will cause genes with cells to mutate and cause cancer cells to grow..
It doesn't really matter if you believe anything about the smoke. Its whether you are willing to acknowledge that these Benzene ring compounds are as nasty as they are.
Then its a simple matter. And heres the key point. if the natural defenses in a body can continue to fight these mutations and cancer cells, you wont get cancer. This happens all the time. Maybe even in your case. You just don't know yet..Your dad might have already done the damage..Bodies have defenses againts mutations, against cancer cells, against virses, against bacteria, ect. BUT, your natural defense mechanisms in your body can't keep up with destroying these cells before they can start replicating themselves. Then you are fcked. Thats why some get cancer and some don't. Maybe someone can smoke for 20 years and not get cancer...but that doesn't mean they are not giving it to their 12 year old child whose body is still going thru the growing stage...Forget about what i said about the smoke and realize that it has everything to do with the "hex ring"compounds in the smoke. And whether you are willing to acknowledge the chemistry of these compounds. In how these compounds cause genes to mutate and cause cancer cells to grow out of control. And whether your body has the defenses to fight off the cancer cells before they grow out of control. But every person is different. But i guess in your eyes if YOU don't get cancer right now then no one will get cancer ever from these compounds.. Interesting way to live...If i was a smoker and i thought for one second that it was hurting my children in my house or friends driving in my car ect. i certainly wouldn't want that on me...No way...Not when i could walk outside and not hurt a soul...But you keep believeing what you believe...And remember the government was not the ones to throw negitive propaganda at this...It was people like you and me that went out and did the research...
I'm for letting everyone do whatever the fck they want including uses drugs if they like..As long as they are not directly influencing my or anyone elses health...
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Niggga...
There are carcinogens everywhere you walk.
Walk around New Yawk or LA and breath the carcinogens.
You ain't gonna get lung cancer from walking pass some person in the street smoking, or sitting by somebody smoking in the restaurant.
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You ain't gonna get lung cancer from walking pass some person in the street smoking, or sitting by somebody smoking in the restaurant.
Pretty much my point. It's not a health issue, it's a political issue, nothing more. One day, someone got tired of smelling smoke, so to justify banning it from places, they found a few horseshit studies to support the ban.
Whether you smoke or hate it, it goes against the freedom of being a US citizen. If you can't have a smoking section in a restaurant, that is garbage. The problems with most smokers is they will tolerate getting the shank and continue going to places that don't allow smoking. People go to bars, then go outside to smoke like a 2nd class citizen.
I can't wait for the day they try to ban it from casinos...ahah. That would never happen because there is too much money to be lost. This is why the anti 2nd hand smoke pussies didn't try to get this passed in Nevada. If it was really about peoples safety, why not ban it in casinos now? It's banned in supermarkets, huge shopping centers.
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Niggga...
There are carcinogens everywhere you walk.
Walk around New Yawk or LA and breath the carcinogens.
You ain't gonna get lung cancer from walking pass some person in the street smoking, or sitting by somebody smoking in the restaurant.
your right...But how about someone working all day and night at a bar or in that same restaurant you mentioned...So you believe a women living in a one bedroom apartment smoking 4 packs a day with 3 kids living in the same apartment are not at any real risk?...And if they are then these people working in restaurants and bars are also at risk...
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And if they are then these people working in restaurants and bars are also at risk...
Maybe so, maybe not. The point is, there are no true studies to support this. It's all speculative. So, passing a law on studies, which have been thrown out, goes against what this country is about, "freedom".
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Stop working in a bar and get a job at Dennys. It should be up to the bar owner, the state shouldn't ban it.
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Pretty much my point. It's not a health issue, it's a political issue, nothing more. One day, someone got tired of smelling smoke, so to justify banning it from places, they found a few horseshit studies to support the ban.
Whether you smoke or hate it, it goes against the freedom of being a US citizen. If you can't have a smoking section in a restaurant, that is garbage. The problems with most smokers is they will tolerate getting the shank and continue going to places that don't allow smoking. People go to bars, then go outside to smoke like a 2nd class citizen.
I can't wait for the day they try to ban it from casinos...ahah. That would never happen because there is too much money to be lost. This is why the anti 2nd hand smoke pussies didn't try to get this passed in Nevada. If it was really about peoples safety, why not ban it in casinos now? It's banned in supermarkets, huge shopping centers.
It will be banned in casinos...Just a matter of time...But they will be the last to go...Its all about money...If all the smokers got together and lobbied for their cause with lots of money for the guys elected to office. Then they could buy some time. These states that banned it didn't want to take the risk anymore...They know what is coming...To many non smokers getting cancer after working in restraurants for years..But you are right how do you prove an illness that can be caused by many different things?...It will never be a 100% science but you have to use common sense...
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Stop working in a bar and get a job at Dennys. It should be up to the bar owner, the state shouldn't ban it.
thats a cop out...So one should have to put themselves at risk to do the job of serving food or drink? Why should a bar owner have the right to put his employess at risk? Its not like these employess of out in the Barrien Sea going after King Crab...
or are you saying that servers should get hazzardes duty pay?
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It's a bar for chrisakes. ::)
They know what they're getting into. OMG!!! smoke.
AS IF all these barmaids are just keeling over from second hand smoke.
PLEASEEEE.
This isn't hazardous duty, it's a typical bar. Such sensationalist bs.
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It's a bar for chrisakes. ::)
They know what they're getting into. OMG!!! smoke.
AS IF all these barmaids are just keeling over from second hand smoke.
PLEASEEEE.
This isn't hazardous duty, it's a typical bar. Such sensationalist bs.
look we live in a country where our government wants us to die Period...If you don't believe that, you've been living in a fcking hole...Do you really believe that the government wants to ban public fcking smoking? Of course they don't. They want the sheep to get ill...Its why they helped big tobacco all these years hide that fact that hundreds of thousands have died from their product...Guess what they can't do that anyone...And they know it...
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It's a bar for chrisakes. ::)
They know what they're getting into. OMG!!! smoke.
AS IF all these barmaids are just keeling over from second hand smoke.
PLEASEEEE.
This isn't hazardous duty, it's a typical bar. Such sensationalist bs.
so you need someone to drop dead on the spot to realise that their may be a problem...Your exactly the type that this government loves...
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The government does NOT want us to die. They want us to go into debt. ;D
All your blustering does not change the fact that it's an infringement on personal rights.
Take away the politically biased "science" and disseminate the facts, but don't take away rights. The owners of the bars should decide how they want to run their establishments. Alcohol is much worse, but it's someone's right nonetheless.
Next thing the sensationalist ex-smoker anti-smoking fanatics are going to do is classify bars as hazard zones lol.
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If you believe that bunch of horseshit, I pray for you. What a bland uncontrolled study. You need to pick up on things like:
A British study found that SIDS deaths could be reduced by two-thirds if parents did not smoke.***
Could be reduce...not are reduced.
A U.S. analysis** of over 100 reports on pædiatric diseases concluded that children’s exposure to tobacco smoke is responsible for up to:
Repsonsible for up to, not responsible for. Hell, it could be responsible for all of them, or maybe none.
ETS is causally linked with a number of adverse health effects in children (under 18), including:
Causally linked, meaning not directly, but a possible link.
You've never written a research paper have you?
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To many non smokers getting cancer after working in restraurants for years..But you are right how do you prove an illness that can be caused by many different things?...It will never be a 100% science but you have to use common sense...
Where are these people who have died directly from 2nd hand smoke? If a person dies of some kind of cancer and they happened to be a waitress, they would consider that a 2nd hand smoke death, which is speculative, but they use it as a "fact". That is the problem with the entire thing. It is like Lyle Alzado dying of brain cancer, they blamed it on steroids..haha Same type of thing. The government shouldn't have the power to pass law without true evidence that something is harmful to others. Plain and simple. In reality, they should ban alcohol and cigarettes. Alcohol causes more problems than smoking every will. Drunk driving, bar fights, sexual assault, etc. If the government really gave a shit, they'd ban these in a second. Instead, they banned ephedrine. Classic! But I believe that ban was overturned due to facts later found. When something is in the minority, it's easy for it to get banned. If smokers got smart, they would form an alliance and all vote democrat or republican. You'd see politicians all of a sudden in favor for smoking to be put back into restaurants. ::)
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You've never written a research paper have you?
No, I've never competed in the Olympia either, but I know how to lift weights. What's your point?
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No, I've never competed in the Olympia either, but I know how to lift weights. What's your point?
He must have thought we'd be impressed by his brutal power of not saying anything.