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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
you smoke and you're a bodybuilder?
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smokers deserve to be treated like the animals they are
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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
Stop smoking for your child's sake.
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nope not a bodybuilder never said I was..
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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
Second hand smoke kills , parents who smoke in the car are endangering their children , its sad the Government has to tell people how to parent
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nope not a bodybuilder never said I was..
ok but smoking is toxic
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I agree it is sad the govt feels the need do it but I still do not agree with it. So I guess gun owners should not be allowed to have thier guns in their house if children are as well
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ok but smoking is toxic
yes and I'm taking steps to be the healthiest this year as the time I was pregnant. Baby steps. It's a hard thing to quit (except when I was pregnant, never had the urge)
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You're absolutely right in that we shouldn't pass laws to prevent people from doing stupid things like smoking in car while a child is present. If we go down that road it will never end. Hell there are some ignorant women that smoke while they're pregnant. What should we do to them?
It's a shame that there are so many absolutely ignorant and stupid people in the world that we even have to consider such measures as passing laws outlawing their stupidity.
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I agree it is sad the govt feels the need do it but I still do not agree with it. So I guess gun owners should not be allowed to have thier guns in their house if children are as well
stop looking for ways to justify you being a lousy human being
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I agree it is sad the govt feels the need do it but I still do not agree with it. So I guess gun owners should not be allowed to have thier guns in their house if children are as well
Bad analogy I have guns and both are double locked and the ammo is in a lock box and I have the keys with me at all times , being near locked guns you don't run the risk of cancer ;)
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wow now I'm a lousy being. Now I can sleep better tonight knowing that
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Second hand smoke kills , parents who smoke in the car are endangering their children , its sad the Government has to tell people how to parent
Second hand smoke kills if you're around it for years and years, constantly. It's true that parents should not smoke around their children, but again the Government shouldn't have the right to step in and impose legislation on the matter.
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Bad analogy I have guns and both are double locked and the ammo is in a lock box and I have the keys with me at all times , being near locked guns you don't run the risk of cancer ;)
there are guns in my house locked and no ammo near them, but ask the parents of columbine kids that were killed they blame those 2 boys parents because of guns in the house.
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there are guns in my house locked and no ammo near them, but ask the parents of columbine kids that were killed they blame those 2 boys parents because of guns in the house.
I think it's cause the victims' families wanted someone to blame, the elected officials wanted to win the next time around, and the parent did ignore some warning signs. But it was the two morons' who deserve the blame.
That's awesome you're an NRA member. What's your carry piece? (Me = G27 with the keltec 32 fallback)
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pops gave me a 357 and grandpa still has his federal arms license to buy and sell guns..he has some great antique guns
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ok I dont know that gun but I strongly believe in right to bear arms
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.357 is nice but you want to be able to place 5 tight ones very quickly... might be hard with that when youre scrambling with a baby in one hand looking for a door. reliable though and sexy as hell as far as guns go.
You ever see the Lenny Magill "move, shoot, live" defensive tactics videos? Incredible stuff!
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there are guns in my house locked and no ammo near them, but ask the parents of columbine kids that were killed they blame those 2 boys parents because of guns in the house.
They need to blame someone because they ones responsible are dead , thats the problem with Americans , we don't like to take responsiblity for are own actions , if the parents didn't properly store the guns they are partly responsible but if they did its not their fault
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nope rob havent...pops gets nra magazine and princess does see his shotguns in his case but I tell her those are for adults. I grew up with a gun in the house and knew if I touched it I would never see the light of day again, my father would of choked me..so rob whats your take on the smoking ban
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first you cant smoke in public places,, then you cant smoke in bars,, then you cant smoke in your car.. you see where things are going. its not just smoking its everything.. little by little the liberal government wants to run every aspect of our lives..
conservative government= less government,less laws,,less restrictions,,more self responsibility
liberal government= more laws,more restrictions,,more government responsibility,, less self responsibility
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my own dad was a FFL, we had m16s and 1911s as household fixtures when growing up. our cleveland basement actually had a full reload press and a shooting range built in there.
smoking ban, i dunno... i think the right to smoke ends where the other person's nose starts... like, you should be able to smoke 24/7, tobacco, weed, crack, i don't care. but the moment you ruin another person's right to smell the fresh air, there is the problem.
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How could someone ever go and get pregnant when being a smoker?
And how could they ever continue smoke with the baby and all?
What kind of mother does that? ::)
-Hedge
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I'm torn on this issue... generally I'm very much opposed to government interfering in people's private lives, but on the other hand in this case there's a third party involved who doesn't have the ability to avoid the situation if they want to, namely the child. Cigarette smoking is disgusting. When I was a child my father smoked, and often chain-smoked on long car trips. I would have been grateful if such a law had been on the books back then.
As far as the gun thing goes, that's an invalid analogy. Guns are only a problem if they are misused, and we have a constitutional right to keep arms to protect ourselves. Cigarettes on the other hand are lethal and problematic when used as directed.
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How could someone ever go and get pregnant when being a smoker?
And how could they ever continue smoke with the baby and all?
What kind of mother does that? ::)
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there are tons of white trash mothers who smoke
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i think the right to smoke ends where the other person's nose starts... like, you should be able to smoke 24/7, tobacco, weed, crack, i don't care. but the moment you ruin another person's right to smell the fresh air, there is the problem.
Agree.
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It's a little thing called Health. I think it's a great idea to be punished by law for smoking in the house/car with children. It's common sense.
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How could someone ever go and get pregnant when being a smoker?
And how could they ever continue smoke with the baby and all?
What kind of mother does that? ::)
-Hedge
Exactly, smokes are poison. Do I think this law should be passed? maybe not, but I sure as hell wouldnt want the mother of my child smoking near my kids or while pregnant. Shit if they made AAS illegal why not smoking?
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wow now I'm a lousy being. Now I can sleep better tonight knowing that
It takes 15 years for people who stops smoking to get their risk ratio down to normal for lung cancer.
Just a little FYI.
So when your kid is in Junior High, then you're safe.
-Hedge
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In Australia, it is all but illegal to smoke in any enclosed areas (except your home or private address), I don't mind it at all, its pretty good to go to a bar and leave without smelling like crap.
The gun laws are extremely tight, its not a right to bear arms here and that's a relief.. IMO.
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first you cant smoke in public places,, then you cant smoke in bars,, then you cant smoke in your car.. you see where things are going. its not just smoking its everything.. little by little the liberal government wants to run every aspect of our lives..
conservative government= less government,less laws,,less restrictions,,more self responsibility
liberal government= more laws,more restrictions,,more government responsibility,, less self responsibility
Why is the Government intervening? because they have to subsidize all the medical costs associated with the problems directly caused by smoking , to they're trying to nip the problem in the bud , every year more people die from smoking related problems than people in the American Revolution , American Civil War , World War I , World War II , Korea , Vietnam and both Gulf wars COMBINED almost half a million a year every year .
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Why is the Government intervening? because they have to subsidize all the medical costs associated with the problems directly caused by smoking , to they're trying to nip the problem in the bud
Who costs the government more, someone who dies instantly from a smoking-related heart attack at 57, or a non-smoker who lives to 85, having spent 20 years on social security and medicare, the last six of which are spent in and out of the hospital with various expensive medical ills associated with old age?
Food for thought re: your argument.
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You can't compare cigarettes to guns.
Cigarettes can't be used in any responsible way.
Even alcohol has its pros, it makes people socialise better.
They are toxic. Period.
If someone came up with the idea of cigarettes today, do you seriously think any nation would allow it? They don't allow ephedera, which isn't even in the same ballpark as cigarettes when it comes to toxicology.
Enough of wasted lives, less effective workforces. It's not only a huge tragedy for all those people who loses their lives and their relatives to cigarette-related diseases. But also a big waste of money for the society as a whole.
Ban it.
-Hedge
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It takes 15 years for people who stops smoking to get their risk ratio down to normal for lung cancer.
Just a little FYI.
So when your kid is in Junior High, then you're safe.
-Hedge
thanks hedge
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You can't compare cigarettes to guns.
Cigarettes can't be used in any responsible way.
Even alcohol has its pros, it makes people socialise better.
They are toxic. Period.
If someone came up with the idea of cigarettes today, do you seriously think any nation would allow it? They don't allow ephedera, which isn't even in the same ballpark as cigarettes when it comes to toxicology.
Enough of wasted lives, less effective workforces. It's not only a huge tragedy for all those people who loses their lives and their relatives to cigarette-related diseases. But also a big waste of money for the society as a whole.
Ban it.
-Hedge
Perhaps newmom is under the impression if she keeps her lighter in a safety box on one side of the house and her cigarettes in another safety on the other side of the house that would constitute her being a responsible smoker.
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600k died in the civil war, if middle school history doesn't fail me...
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600k died in the civil war, if middle school history doesn't fail me...
Okay minus the civil war lol
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the oak you know me so well lol ;D
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The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II, irrespective of political alignment, was roughly 62 million people. The civilian toll was around 37 million, the military toll about 25 million. The Allies lost around 51 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.
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Who costs the government more, someone who dies instantly from a smoking-related heart attack at 57, or a non-smoker who lives to 85, having spent 20 years on social security and medicare, the last six of which are spent in and out of the hospital with various expensive medical ills associated with old age?
Food for thought re: your argument.
The average smoker and the average non-smoker.
Those are the two you have to compare Goat.
And lets pretend the facts that smokers are usually low-educated, un-intellectual, et al... ;D
But the average smoker and the average non-smoker, out of those two, the non-smoker has better health, and also costs the society less.
Why?
Because he has fewer sick days, and is also able to work longer up in his age.
And, not to mention...
HE DOESN'T GO OUT FOR A SMOKE!!! ;D
Case closed.
-Hedge
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In Australia, it is all but illegal to smoke in any enclosed areas (except your home or private address), I don't mind it at all, its pretty good to go to a bar and leave without smelling like crap.
I play in 2 to 3 local bands in florida, where they have a smoking ban in bars. no one enforces it. they work around it, re-designate areas, create patios which connect to the bar/restaurant, etc etc. When it was first passed, I loved it - playing in crystal clear clubs instead of hazy nasty places where I would come home and need 15 min of scrubbing to smell better. But in the last 2-3 years, it's hurt business so bad (along with the hurricanes and our new high temperatures all year due to global warming) that they just don't follow it.
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Why is the Government intervening? because they have to subsidize all the medical costs associated with the problems directly caused by smoking , to they're trying to nip the problem in the bud , every year more people die from smoking related problems than people in the American Revolution , American Civil War , World War I , World War II , Korea , Vietnam and both Gulf wars COMBINED almost half a million a year every year .
its not just smoking.. but its everything else too.. new laws are created everyday that take our rights away..
theres a guy in vermont who raped a 4 year old and got off with probation-no jail time.. theres no law that requires jail time for rape,,but now we need a law about smoking?
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I play in 2 to 3 local bands in florida, where they have a smoking ban in bars. no one enforces it. they work around it, re-designate areas, create patios which connect to the bar/restaurant, etc etc. When it was first passed, I loved it - playing in crystal clear clubs instead of hazy nasty places where I would come home and need 15 min of scrubbing to smell better. But in the last 2-3 years, it's hurt business so bad (along with the hurricanes and our new high temperatures all year due to global warming) that they just don't follow it.
typical florida retard state
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conservative government= less government,less laws,,less restrictions,,more self responsibility
liberal government= more laws,more restrictions,,more government responsibility,, less self responsibility
new laws are created everyday that take our rights away..
Given which party has owned all the lawmaking power for the last six years, you just contradicted yourself.
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You can't compare cigarettes to guns.
Cigarettes can't be used in any responsible way.
Even alcohol has its pros, it makes people socialise better.
They are toxic. Period.
If someone came up with the idea of cigarettes today, do you seriously think any nation would allow it? They don't allow ephedera, which isn't even in the same ballpark as cigarettes when it comes to toxicology.
I don't disagree with you, but the bigger question is are we going to allow government to intrude in the private lives of grown adults and prevent them from making stupid decisions? Unlike you Europeans, I don't like paternalistic governments. We don't believe in that sort of thing in America... or at least we didn't used to, I'm not so sure about the current generation of young liberal idiots.
Like I said earlier, I'm torn on this issue. I really dislike smoking, but I dislike government oppression more. I think 240 said it best... you should be allowed to smoke whatever the fucck you want in private, but the moment it hits someone else's nostrils, that's where your rights end and the rights of the other person begin.
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its not just smoking.. but its everything else too.. new laws are created everyday that take our rights away..
theres a guy in vermont who raped a 4 year old and got off with probation-no jail time.. theres no law that requires jail time for rape,,but now we need a law about smoking?
Oh I agree Stem-cell research etc , but smoking I mean this isn't a bad thing it effects all of us one way or another.
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The average smoker and the average non-smoker.
Those are the two you have to compare Goat.
And lets pretend the facts that smokers are usually low-educated, un-intellectual, et al... ;D
But the average smoker and the average non-smoker, out of those two, the non-smoker has better health, and also costs the society less.
Why?
Because he has fewer sick days, and is also able to work longer up in his age.
And, not to mention...
HE DOESN'T GO OUT FOR A SMOKE!!! ;D
Case closed.
-Hedge
Wow, I guess all the billions in taxes and whatnot tobacco users pay to the government don't do anything. I guess all those scientists that smoke must actually be retards. Oh, and I've only been sick a few times in my life, usually catching the flu from someone else. Same with my Uncle, who's been smoking for a long time.
Case re-opened.;)
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Wow, I guess all the billions in taxes and whatnot tobacco users pay to the government don't do anything. I guess all those scientists that smoke must actually be retards. Oh, and I've only been sick a few times in my life, usually catching the flu from someone else. Same with my Uncle, who's been smoking for a long time.
Case re-opened.;)
We will see how your views change when you are coughing up blood.
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I don't disagree with you, but the bigger question is are we going to allow government to intrude in the private lives of grown adults and prevent them from making stupid decisions? Unlike you Europeans, I don't like paternalistic governments. We don't believe in that sort of thing in America... of at least we didn't used to, I'm not so sure about the current generation of young liberal idiots.
Like I said earlier, I'm torn on this issue. I really dislike smoking, but I dislike government oppression more. I think 240 said it best... you should be allowed to smoke whatever the fucck you want in private, but the moment it hits someone else's nostrils, that's where your rights end and the rights of the other person begin.
Great argument.
There is that old liberal tradition in USA, going all the way back to the constitution I guess.
I see your point, but I also think that something that is only negative, definitely should be banned.
Cocaine is banned, why not cigarettes?
They're not equally dangerous, but they're both poisonous. And both kills.
-Hedge
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Given which party has owned all the lawmaking power for the last six years, you just contradicted yourself.
look at the senators and Representatives that creates the laws,, but yes many conservatives have to go along with them too... conservatives principles are what i believe in..
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We will see how your views change when you are coughing up blood.
Won't happen, I'll probably die next month of a mortar attack or maybe a sniper.
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look at the senators and Representatives that creates the laws,, but yes many conservatives have to go along with them too... conservatives principles are what i believe in..
The Republicans have had both majorities, friend. You can't blame a democrat for the national civil rights grab going on. Their hands have been tied.
The patriot act, the most restrictive abuses on American rights since the japanese internment camps, was conveniently written right before 9/11 for a super duper conservative President.
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Great argument.
There is that old liberal tradition in USA, going all the way back to the constitution I guess.
I see your point, but I also think that something that is only negative, definitely should be banned.
Cocaine is banned, why not cigarettes?
They're not equally dangerous, but they're both poisonous. And both kills.
-Hedge
everything should be legal and there should be no laws, no manditory helmuts and no speed limits fast or slow
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The Republicans have had both majorities, friend. You can't blame a democrat for the national civil rights grab going on. Their hands have been tied.
The patriot act, the most restrictive abuses on American rights since the japanese internment camps, was conveniently written right before 9/11 for a super duper conservative President.
i agree,, i never said the government over the last 6 years has been conservative.. but i think we should go back to it
the patriot act- its not abusing rights, its keeping us safe.. before 911 i could just hop on the subway, now i might get my bag checked.. no loss of rights there, they're not taking away any freedoms
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everything should be legal and there should be no laws, no manditory helmuts and no speed limits fast or slow
In theory, yes. But the state paying for an extra 100,000 gimps a year who hurt themselves means my taxes go up. There's a different angle on everything.
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the patriot act- its not abusing rights, its keeping us safe.. before 911 i could just hop on the subway, now i might get my bag checked.. no loss of rights there, they're not taking away any freedoms
There are a lot of constitutional scholars and law professors, from both parties, who believe the 4th amendment of the Constitution has been EXACTLY taken away by the patriot Act.
Are they incorrect?
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There are a lot of constitutional scholars and law professors, from both parties, who believe the 4th amendment of the Constitution has been EXACTLY taken away by the patriot Act.
Are they incorrect?
have any of right rights been taken away?
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everything should be legal and there should be no laws, no manditory helmuts and no speed limits fast or slow
your kidding right? no speeding laws? what would happen if you could drive 90 down a city street.. should we allow murders too?
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have any of right rights been taken away?
Wow. You avoided answering my question by asking a question which I could not possibly answer because the patriot Act allows me to be tapped, searched, etc without ever being told.
It's like you shot yourself in the foot while handing me your wallet. Nice!
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Wow. You avoided answering my question by asking a question which I could not possibly answer because the patriot Act allows me to be tapped, searched, etc without ever being told.
It's like you shot yourself in the foot while handing me your wallet. Nice!
240 even you know that the govenment is watching every place you go on the internet . they attach all sorts of tracking devices without your permission or knowledge.
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Wow. You avoided answering my question by asking a question which I could not possibly answer because the patriot Act allows me to be tapped, searched, etc without ever being told.
It's like you shot yourself in the foot while handing me your wallet. Nice!
someone listening to your phone calls does not take away any of you freedoms.. when the government says you cant use your phone anymore- then your rights/freedoms are being taken away.. theres a difference.... and a website designer isnt having his phone calls taped unless you've been hanging out at some terrorists cells.
new york has cameras all over the streets now,, i can still walk down the street like i did 10 years ago.. just because someone may be watching me or recording me doesnt change a thing about my life- therefore none of my rights have been taken away
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just because someone may be watching me or recording me doesnt change a thing about my life- therefore none of my rights have been taken away
Okay.
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Wow, I guess all the billions in taxes and whatnot tobacco users pay to the government don't do anything. I guess all those scientists that smoke must actually be retards. Oh, and I've only been sick a few times in my life, usually catching the flu from someone else. Same with my Uncle, who's been smoking for a long time.
Case re-opened.;)
smoking is addictive...Scientist can get addicated just the same as anyone else...
How many scientists have tried to stop smoking and couldn't? I don't know the answer but i could take a guess that its a large percentage...
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Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
What are you afraid your precoius princess will see what kind of a jacksass you really are? She will be so proud of you when she grows up "look at my mom the chain smoking, gun toteing ditz, maybe you should start chewing tobbaco, for the final red-neck touch.
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I guess Kh doesn't believe in the right to privacy, which in all intentive purposes is being invaded for all the right reasons the wrong way.
Wombat, smoking is a choice. Just like, say, putting a gun to your head, taking AAS, smoking weed, jacking off, drinking a beer...
Luv2Hurt, you just basically equated everyone who smokes and owns firearms to rednecks. Good job showing how truly ignorant and biased you are.
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Glad you got the point genius
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Well I am a hypocrite and don't want her thinking it is OK. Owning a gun does not make a person a red neck but thanks for your feed back. Wait the final touch should be a lawn chair in the front yard with some teeth missing..
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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
I think if your re-read your post...You have the answer right in front of you...The fact that you won't even allow your kids to see you doing this is a huge "tell"...I'm guessing its because you don't want it to influence your kids in starting to smoke...If thats the case, then you agree that not only smoking hurts people but also second hand smoke...And if alot of the dumbasses of the world(as you called them) won't protect their kids like you do, don't you think that maybe someone should step in...If you knew of someone sexually abusing a child, wouldn 't you step in? Do you believe that Britney Spears should have the right to drive around with her infant sitting in her lap? Not many years ago no one would have bat an eye..Should we go back to that time and erase that law about children...I'm guessing you would say so...And we can all just call them dumbasses and let them do whatever they want with their kids...
Parents don't own their kids...They give birth to them...Kids have rights and they should be protected at all costs...Kids should have more laws passed to protect them from not only people in general but also their parents...
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It's really sad when you hear a child say something like "here are your cigarettes, mommy".
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What about "Here's your beer dad"?
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What about "Here's your beer dad"?
that's bad too. Also when kids talk about jail like it's no big deal. Sad.
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Why is the Government intervening? because they have to subsidize all the medical costs associated with the problems directly caused by smoking , to they're trying to nip the problem in the bud , every year more people die from smoking related problems than people in the American Revolution , American Civil War , World War I , World War II , Korea , Vietnam and both Gulf wars COMBINED almost half a million a year every year .
Um...the death toll of WWII was roughly 50 million(military and civilian)...which is a tad bit over half a million. Heck, England alone lost over a million men in that war, and they're just an island.
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Well I am a hypocrite and don't want her thinking it is OK. Owning a gun does not make a person a red neck but thanks for your feed back. Wait the final touch should be a lawn chair in the front yard with some teeth missing..
Well smoking, owning GUNS and being a NRA member sure smells red-neck to me, just calling a spade a spade.
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wombat
yes smoking hurts and kills. It's a nasty habit to break. I still don't think the government should infringe on my rights. I wont harm my child and will do anything to protect her. Yes if I know for a fact someone is being abused of course I would say something. On another note, spanking a child on the hand or bottom and I mean a light spank is no reason to call child abuse hotline like so many do now. No i don't hit my child, but spanking is so taboo now and these young kids I read about that pop off to their teachers just have no respect. Now beating a child is something I would definitely go to authorities to. I see where u are getting at wombat. Am I infringing on someones rights because lets say I see a woman beating her child in a restroom at a restaraunt.
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Well smoking, owning GUNS and being a NRA member sure smells red-neck to me, just calling a spade a spade.
Aaahahahaha, GTFO hippie
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Well smoking, owning GUNS and being a NRA member sure smells red-neck to me, just calling a spade a spade.
first off I own a gun (singular). See it's a right we fought for in this country. ITS CALLED FREEDOM.
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first off I own a gun (singular). See it's a right we fought for in this country. ITS CALLED FREEDOM.
Wow you sound so free.............you need a gun.
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naaaaaaaaaaaaa just a shotgun or riffle
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Well smoking, owning GUNS and being a NRA member sure smells red-neck to me, just calling a spade a spade.
a little ignorant there,,i own plenty of guns,, proud nra life member, i love to go hunting on my days off.. born and raised in the bronx.. im about as far way from redneck as it gets..
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Luv2Hurt
You miss the point.
She has a right to bear arms, in defense of her land, her home, and her family. It's not that she loves guns and is a gun nut, but she chooses to excersize her freedom to own a gun.
The NRA isn't just about owning guns and shooting stuff. They're about protecting freedoms that crazy nutjobs are trying to take away because they don't like it. Being able to own a gun is in the original constitution of the US, and there are people out there lobbying to ban them. She never said she NEEDED a gun, but she likes to have one for peace of mind.
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lol exactly kh300, I lived in the lower east side of nyc for 5 years I'm sooooooo far from being a redneck.
Ozzy you see my point, thank god someone does. I like to target shoot with my dad, he is the hunter and stuff, I am not. I don't feel I need one, but I am thrilled I have the right to do so
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a little ignorant there,,i own plenty of guns,, proud nra life member, i love to go hunting on my days off.. born and raised in the bronx.. im about as far way from redneck as it gets..
Where you live does not matter, are you saying there are special places where red-necks live, thats ignorant.
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yes smoking hurts and kills. It's a nasty habit to break. I still don't think the government should infringe on my rights. I wont harm my child and will do anything to protect her. Yes if I know for a fact someone is being abused of course I would say something. On another note, spanking a child on the hand or bottom and I mean a light spank is no reason to call child abuse hotline like so many do now. No i don't hit my child, but spanking is so taboo now and these young kids I read about that pop off to their teachers just have no respect. Now beating a child is something I would definitely go to authorities to. I see where u are getting at wombat. Am I infringing on someones rights because lets say I see a woman beating her child in a restroom at a restaraunt.
If 2nd hand smoke can cause cancer(although never really proven) but many other ailments have been proved from 2nd hand smoke...Then it MUST be looked at the same way as someone beating their child...Not to do so in irresponsible...Fact of the matter is children need MORE rights...They are human for crying out loud...If you can't smoke in a restraunt because its considered dangerous for everyone in there...Then why should that stop in a house with someone under the age of 18(who doesn't really have a voice)...Children need more of a voice in this world...Parents shouldn't have the right to endanger a child...
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Where you live does matter, are you saying there are special places where red-necks live, thats ignorant.
nope just saying..there are ignorant people no matter where you live
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L2H,
My Dad is a gun/hunting nut. He goes on a hunting trip almost twice a year and owns property that he goes to every day to plant stuff for deer and geese, so he can shoot them. He's a hunting nut in every sense of the word, even watches the hunting channel hahaha.
Redneck? I don't see very many redneck dentists walking around. He doesn't talk with a drawl or anything. He doesn't smoke, dip, or drink. He's a lifetime member of the NRA and goes to NRA dinners and meetings.
So, the argument that everyone that owns a gun and is a member of the NRA being a redneck is squashed.
And BTW, "Where you live does matter, are you saying there are special places where red-necks live, thats ignorant." doesn't make any sense.
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by the way...If the government had its choice, they would rather have no laws concerning smoking...Whether you believe it or not, the government would rather have us slowly kill ourselves...They were in cohots with the tobacco industry for years knowing they were killing us...
The 2nd hand smoke thing came from the people not the government...its not the government on this one infringing on our rights...The people are taking this one into their own hands..Of course they have to use the government to make anything happen...
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If 2nd hand smoke can cause cancer(although never really proven) but many other ailments have been proved from 2nd hand smoke...Then it MUST be looked at the same way as someone beating their child...Not to do so in irresponsible...Fact of the matter is children need MORE rights...They are human for crying out loud...If you can't smoke in a restraunt because its considered dangerous for everyone in there...Then why should that stop in a house with someone under the age of 18(who doesn't really have a voice)...Children need more of a voice in this world...Parents shouldn't not have the right to endanger a child...
Because restaraunt is a public place and home is private. What I do in my car is my business unless I am breaking a law. Did you know there was an old blue law in the state of ct that it was against the law to drink a beverage without a straw.
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And BTW, "Where you live does matter, are you saying there are special places where red-necks live, thats ignorant." doesn't make any sense.
Yeah I forgot the "not" in there, I must have forgot cause this "hippie" is too stoned ;) Thanks for the debate guys I guess we just dissagree on some things, no big deal.
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"Being in cahoots with" = supporting a huge industry that would topple our economy if it suddenly went under.
The government could care less what people do as long as it doesn't affect the country/economy. Now, billions go to the government on taxes from tobacco. You think they'd actually allow it to be outlawed?
Pfft. People know tobacco is dangerous when used for years. They do it anyway. Why?
Why do I smoke, knowing it can kill me in 30 years? Cause I don't give a shit. After a stressful day of being shot at, having incoming rounds go off 50 meters away, hearing about friends that got blown up that day, I like to be able to step outside and have a smoke. I'll quit sometime, but I don't feel like it.
It's people telling me not to do it that make me want to do it more. I hate being told what I CAN'T do. If you tell me I CAN'T do something, you're reinforcing my urge to want to do it even more. People need to stop trying to tell other people what they can and can't do, just because they don't like it.
Yeah I forgot the "not" in there, I must have forgot cause this "hippie" is too stoned ;) Thanks for the debate guys I guess we just dissagree on some things, no big deal.
Yeah, I like being able to debate a subject like this without all the "OMFG SMOKIN IS TEH BAD YOU SUCK MONSTER LUNG CANCER" and such. The hippie comment... well I've been watching a lot of SouthPark recently so... :)
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exactly luv2hurt. I thought it was an interesting topic. Sure I need to stop smoking. I don't need the govt or town or state what I need to do as far as my child. I feed her, give her undying love and respect, make sure she is developing as she should, read and play together. Now time for a smoke...just kiddinggggggggg to cold to go outside. ;D
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Second hand smoke kills if you're around it for years and years, constantly. It's true that parents should not smoke around their children, but again the Government shouldn't have the right to step in and impose legislation on the matter.
o.K. then
When the kid becomes a young adult (18 and so on) and that kid has lung problem/asthma that can only be related to a parent that smoked in the house for 18 years...Should that young adult be able to sue his parents for neglagents? And if not, why not?
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Because restaraunt is a public place and home is private. What I do in my car is my business
It's a private place if it's only you and other consenting adults who can choose to leave at any time present. Once you introduce a child who has no choice but to be there into the mix, it's no longer "private".
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ozzy makes a good point,, many people have stressfull jobs and if a cigarette gives them a break- or relaxes them,, then good..
the point i was trying to make earlier is ya - the government is trying to keep us from smoking around our kids.. first it was we couldnt smoke in public places,, then it was at bars,, now its in our cars... guess whats next..pretty soon you wont be able to smoke
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exactly kh300
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ozzy makes a good point,, many people have stressfull jobs and if a cigarette gives them a break- or relaxes them,, then good..
the point i was trying to make earlier is ya - the government is trying to keep us from smoking around our kids.. first it was we couldnt smoke in public places,, then it was at bars,, now its in our cars... guess whats next..pretty soon you wont be able to smoke
No, you should always be able to smoke in places where your smoke will not hit the nostrils of other people who don't want to be smelling your smoke.
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It's a private place if it's only you and other consenting adults who can choose to leave at any time present. Once you introduce a child who has no choice but to be there into the mix, it's no longer "private".
well I would'nt let my child sit in restaraunt that allowed smoking. I'm a better parent than that. But some parents will allow it, and these are the types that should'nt have kids in the first place, but in this country they are allowed to have kids.
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o.K. then
When the kid becomes a young adult (18 and so on) and that kid has lung problem/asthma that can only be related to a parent that smoked in the house for 18 years...Should that young adult be able to sue his parents for neglagents? And if not, why not?
yes,, that parent should be in jail.. doesnt mean that person cant smoke,which is where this is leading.. besides- i cant talk for anyone else,, but here in ny if i go to my Sargent and say "hey look boss, i pulled over 2 people for smoking in their car, and 5 people for talking on their cell phones, and 3 people for not wearing their seat belts".. he would smack me in the face and tell me to do some real work.. point is even if this law gets passed its not one of these enforced ones- just one to make us aware..
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o.K. then
When the kid becomes a young adult (18 and so on) and that kid has lung problem/asthma that can only be related to a parent that smoked in the house for 18 years...Should that young adult be able to sue his parents for neglagents? And if not, why not?
I said that parents SHOULD NOT smoke if they have children, especially around the children.
Anyway, if I'm sitting somewhere smoking and someone walks up to me and asks me to stop, I'll stop. But then again, if it's outside, I'll move, and if the person continues to bother me I'll walk away or tell them to get out of my face. It's these anti-smoking FREAKS that are the real problem, like that lady in NYC that attacked that other lady (who was across the street) for smoking.
Anywho, if the parent smoked for 18 years and the kid ends up sick with something smoke related, then I'm all for the kid being able to sue the dumbass parent.
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Pfft. People know tobacco is dangerous when used for years. They do it anyway. Why?
Why do I smoke, knowing it can kill me in 30 years? Cause I don't give a shit. After a stressful day of being shot at, having incoming rounds go off 50 meters away, hearing about friends that got blown up that day, I like to be able to step outside and have a smoke. I'll quit sometime, but I don't feel like it.
It's people telling me not to do it that make me want to do it more. I hate being told what I CAN'T do. If you tell me I CAN'T do something, you're reinforcing my urge to want to do it even more. People need to stop trying to tell other people what they can and can't do, just because they don't like it.
Yeah, I like being able to debate a subject like this without all the "OMFG SMOKIN IS TEH BAD YOU SUCK MONSTER LUNG CANCER" and such. The hippie comment... well I've been watching a lot of SouthPark recently so... :)
This subject isn't about smoking itself but smoking in an area where children(lungs that are still growing)are involved...
People aren't smoking because they don't give a shit...In most cases they smoke because they can't stop...Its more addicting then coke...Many people can go to a party and do a line or two of coke and leave it alone...But how many people do the same with smoking? Yes their are some but most people who smoke, started young and can't stop it now...I wonder what the percentage of people(over 30) is that have tried to stop smoking??I bet its huge...These people aren't smoking because they don't give a shit...
I bet newmom has tried to stop smoking dozens of times...I can't imagine she is smoking and hidding it from her kids because she just doesn't give a shit...Fact is--she is addicted...
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I quit twice. Once about 4 years ago, and quit while I was pregnant and stayed smoke free while breast freeding. It's a nasty habit and I need to stop. Just hiding from one kid (she is my only one)
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yes,, that parent should be in jail.. doesnt mean that person cant smoke,which is where this is leading.. besides- i cant talk for anyone else,, but here in ny if i go to my Sargent and say "hey look boss, i pulled over 2 people for smoking in their car, and 5 people for talking on their cell phones, and 3 people for not wearing their seat belts".. he would smack me in the face and tell me to do some real work.. point is even if this law gets passed its not one of these enforced ones- just one to make us aware..
i agree...my position is let an adult do just about anything to themselves as long as its not directly hurting anyone else(health wise)...Kids just have no voice in the world...I think they should.
Someone wants to blow lines all night...More power to them...They want to drink a case a beers...What do i care...Its their body...Even if they want to do this all in front of their kid in their house...Ok by me..As long as they are not feeding their kids this stuff...
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..But I didn't say OTHER PEOPLE, I was talking about myself.
In fact, I can and have quit smoking a couple of times cold turkey. For basic training and AIT, and again when I hit Kuwait the first time. What you quoted was my opinion on why I smoke. I know it's hard for other people, it's just easy for me.
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but here in ny if i go to my Sargent and say "hey look boss, i pulled over 2 people for smoking in their car, and 5 people for talking on their cell phones, and 3 people for not wearing their seat belts".. he would smack me in the face and tell me to do some real work.. point is even if this law gets passed its not one of these enforced ones- just one to make us aware..
Maybe most cops wouldn't bother, but you know there's always some Dudley Doright cop who will bust people for it just because he can. Not to mention bored cops in upscale suburbs where there's little crime.
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..But I didn't say OTHER PEOPLE, I was talking about myself.
In fact, I can and have quit smoking a couple of times cold turkey. For basic training and AIT, and again when I hit Kuwait the first time. What you quoted was my opinion on why I smoke. I know it's hard for other people, it's just easy for me.
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gotcha :)
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Second hand smoke kills , parents who smoke in the car are endangering their children , its sad the Government has to tell people how to parent
I don't disagree with you - it shouldn't be legal for parents to poison their kids.
But shouldn't we extend that to nutrition as well?
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I don't disagree with you - it shouldn't be legal for parents to poison their kids.
But shouldn't we extend that to nutrition as well?
Absolutely not, because foods are not inherently "good" or "bad", but rather it's a question of amounts and variety.
Tobacco, on the other hand, is unsafe in any amount and has no useful purpose.
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From: http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/nicotine.htm
Researchers have long been aware that fewer smokers get Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases than non-smokers. Up to April l992, of the 17 studies on Alzheimer's and smoking which had been published in peer-reviewed journals, 13 reported a reduced risk for smokers and only four found no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Similar findings have been published on the effect of smoking and Parkinson's disease.
In an article in The Times of London (9/7/93), Dr. James Le Fanu provided an examination of the research on smoking and its apparent protective effect for certain diseases. Dr. Le Fanu stated unequivocally: "Smokers have a 50 per cent reduced risk of developing Alzheimer's--and the more smoked the greater the protection." He also noted that emerging research points to a similar effect of smoking on Parkinson's disease.
So striking was the apparent protective effect of smoking on Alzheimer's and Parkinson's that increasingly biomedical researchers are experimenting with nicotine to treat the symptoms of these dread disease in-patients who have been diagnosed as having them. Results from these experiments have all showed promise in alleviating the symptoms of these diseases with the administration of nicotine.
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From: http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/nicotine.htm
Researchers have long been aware that fewer smokers get Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases than non-smokers. Up to April l992, of the 17 studies on Alzheimer's and smoking which had been published in peer-reviewed journals, 13 reported a reduced risk for smokers and only four found no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Similar findings have been published on the effect of smoking and Parkinson's disease.
In an article in The Times of London (9/7/93), Dr. James Le Fanu provided an examination of the research on smoking and its apparent protective effect for certain diseases. Dr. Le Fanu stated unequivocally: "Smokers have a 50 per cent reduced risk of developing Alzheimer's--and the more smoked the greater the protection." He also noted that emerging research points to a similar effect of smoking on Parkinson's disease.
So striking was the apparent protective effect of smoking on Alzheimer's and Parkinson's that increasingly biomedical researchers are experimenting with nicotine to treat the symptoms of these dread disease in-patients who have been diagnosed as having them. Results from these experiments have all showed promise in alleviating the symptoms of these diseases with the administration of nicotine.
A dozen other substances, from Green Tea to blueberries have been shown to do the same thing. But if your heart is really set on using nicotine to prevent Alzheimers, there are 4 or 5 different ways to administer it that don't involve fuccking up my air with your smoke (not to mention fuccking up your own lungs).
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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
Is this really a constitutional issue? What part of the constitution allows a person to smoke cigarettes in a car with a child?
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Because restaraunt is a public place and home is private. What I do in my car is my business unless I am breaking a law. Did you know there was an old blue law in the state of ct that it was against the law to drink a beverage without a straw.
That is where you are wrong, when driving on roads you do not own them the government does It is considered a privelage to be allowed to drive, if they did not create laws we may have new moms out on the roads with loaded shotguns, puffin on ciggs while watching days of our lives on her flat panel, screamin at the baby in the back.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
O.K. That's the preamble, which doesn't create/confer any rights. Next? :)
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That is where you are wrong, when driving on roads you do not own them the government does It is considered a privelage to be allowed to drive, if they did not create laws we may have new moms out on the roads with loaded shotguns, puffin on ciggs while watching days of our lives on her flat panel, screamin at the baby in the back.
The right to travel and move about freely is absolutely a right, going back to English common law.
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That is where you are wrong, when driving on roads you do not own them the government does It is considered a privelage to be allowed to drive, if they did not create laws we may have new moms out on the roads with loaded shotguns, puffin on ciggs while watching days of our lives on her flat panel, screamin at the baby in the back.
never said I own the road, and further more I don't think tv's or dvd players and turned on every second is proper parenting in my opinion, but that is up to the parent. Even if I did travel with a gun, shotgun or riffle I would'nt carry it loaded, don't have a concealment permit just a gun permit is all I have. When I have gone target practice, carry the gun in the trunk and ammo in the glove compartment.
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They should invent a helmet that smokers can put on in cars or other public places. You have to sit there in your own smoke/stink. Just a big bubble head. You sit in your own smoke and maybe a little motor sucks it up. That way, only you haev to tolerate the smoke.
Would smokers support this? No. Cause they enjoy letting their unsavory byproduct escape into the air so the nostrils of others can absorb the impact.
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Why not quit smoking if for nothing more than to put the money you were spending on cigarettes in maybe a bank account for you child's future? A couple years of interest with continuous deposits and that'd be a pretty penny.
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I agree 240. Most would'nt use that helmut. I don't think smokers should be allowed to stand in front of buildings puffing, not fair to non-smokers as well..
and you are right but she has a bank account already. I did'nt say I was not going to quit but it's not an easy thing to do.
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wasn't saying that you thought you owned the road but people forget that driving is a privelage not a right. Breathing clean air shouldn't be a privelage but a natural born right...I wish that 52% of america was pro clean air, when I was younger. It sometimes chokes me up just seeing a person in their car covered in smoke.
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If you think you're breathing clean air right now, you need a reality check.
A dozen other substances, from Green Tea to blueberries have been shown to do the same thing. But if your heart is really set on using nicotine to prevent Alzheimers, there are 4 or 5 different ways to administer it that don't involve fuccking up my air with your smoke (not to mention fuccking up your own lungs).
I just posted that in response to your "Smoking has no benefits" comment, just to be a smartass. :)
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I heard a story about a town in bangor, Maine and new jersey also trying..
Now everyone keep an open mind (I know I will get trashed for it)
Smoking in cars with children present. Now, I don't believe a parent should smoke in a car or in the house with children present but that is the parents choice. I really feel strongly, the gov't is infringing on our constitutional rights. Anyone that does smoke in front of children (i.e. in the car with them in it is just a dumbass). Yes I do smoke and no not around jacks. I wont let her see me doing it. What can I say..IM an NRA member and believe the right to bear arms..
I am confused. If you don't let your child see you smoke, do you think she doesn't know you are a smoker?
For non smokers, we can smell the smoke in your hair, clothes, breath, body, etc.
You may think that you don't smell like smoke, trust me, you do.
Sandra
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I did'nt say I don't smell like smoke ms. sandra, I did'nt say I was the perfect parent (of course I'm not). It's a gross habit thats hard to break. For non-smokers I guess it's hard to understand. Thanks for the advice sandra..it is dully noted
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Why won't you let her see you smoke? Maybe she's not old enough but it would be good for her to see you, and then see you quit. When she gets older she will know that it can be done. But Ican also see how you dont want kids to see that your smoking then think it's ok.
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well she is only 17months but soon enough she will know..she just does'nt need to see it. I don't know why people are making a big deal because I don't let her see me. And for those that have asked (not that how much I smoke is relavent) but I will answer about 6-7 a day, sometimes lower because it's to damn cold outside.
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well she is only 17months but soon enough she will know..she just does'nt need to see it. I don't know why people are making a big deal because I don't let her see me. And for those that have asked (not that how much I smoke is relavent) but I will answer about 6-7 a day, sometimes lower because it's to damn cold outside.
I have been around smokers all life. Quitting is very hard. I wish you the best of luck when you do it again.
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well she is only 17months but soon enough she will know..she just does'nt need to see it. I don't know why people are making a big deal because I don't let her see me. And for those that have asked (not that how much I smoke is relavent) but I will answer about 6-7 a day, sometimes lower because it's to damn cold outside.
17 months...
Then you're breast feeding. And feeding someone innocent the nicotine. >:(
Good job.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/LinksBirth.html
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And feeding your baby
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um hedge if u read my earlier post i didnt smoke while i was breast feeding..she was on formula after 3 months...
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I quit twice. Once about 4 years ago, and quit while I was pregnant and stayed smoke free while breast freeding. It's a nasty habit and I need to stop. Just hiding from one kid (she is my only one)
hedge read before u pass judgement..
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um hedge if u read my earlier post i didnt smoke while i was breast feeding..she was on formula after 3 months...
Does your child inhale any secondhand smoke (which is unfiltered when it comes from directly from the cigarette)? I understand how addicting nicotine is, but this isn't about you, it's about your child. It's really unfair to your kid.
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well i smoke outside and change my shirt after i smoke and wash my hands and believe me its not like i go outside every hour, especially when it's this cold out. and yes it's not about me
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well i smoke outside and change my shirt after i smoke and wash my hands and believe me its not like i go outside every hour, especially when it's this cold out. and yes it's not about me
Good luck quitting. You owe it to your kid and yourself.
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thanks beach..thanks to this thread I only had 1 so far today and been up since 7 and its 230...hell might as well quit
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well she is only 17months but soon enough she will know..she just does'nt need to see it. I don't know why people are making a big deal because I don't let her see me. And for those that have asked (not that how much I smoke is relavent) but I will answer about 6-7 a day, sometimes lower because it's to damn cold outside.
"Mommy - why do you smell so bad?"
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Start smoking cannabis.
Smoking weed helped me to quit tobacco.