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I think this is 2001, a day after the Olympia. Too bad he didn't win the Olympia till he'd ruined that physique. >:(
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fucking incredible
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I think this is 2001, a day after the Olympia. Too bad he didn't win the Olympia till he'd ruined that physique. >:(
wooooow :o :o :o :o :o
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AMAZING!!!
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I wonder if, in that pic, he was heavier or lighter than he was the day prior. I bet he was heavier.
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he will never looklike that again. He has tried to put on to much mass now.
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It's safe to say there wouldn't be as many complaints if he came into the 06 Olympia in that or the 01 Olympia condition.
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He defnitely had Ronnie beat from that year on
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striations on his quads are unreal!
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Holy shit...that picture of Jay is amazing! I've never seen him so cut with striations with that fullness. He should have taken the O in 2001, no doubt!
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He defnitely had Ronnie beat from that year on
uh.....03 ronnie??
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He looked better then, than september 06
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the reason, in my view why he looks also great here is because he doesnt have various oils and creams slapped on. in his DVD, one step closing he is posing, dry of course in the gym, and looks amazing. on stage, sometimes he doesnt look as good as when he is posing in the gym. contrarty to what some ppl say, i think under certain lighting conditions, the extra oil reflects of, making the skin shine which blurs definition/muscle seperation. i think some use too much.
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the reason, in my view why he looks also great here is because he doesnt have various oils and creams slapped on. in his DVD, one step closing he is posing, dry of course in the gym, and looks amazing. on stage, sometimes he doesnt look as good as when he is posing in the gym. contrarty to what some ppl say, i think under certain lighting conditions, the extra oil reflects of, making the skin shine which blurs definition/muscle seperation. i think some use too much.
ya I agree
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ya I agree
jay over-deos his tan. always. the guy is blacker than ronnie on some days! :P
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jay over-deos his tan. always. the guy is blacker than ronnie on some days! :P
ya I know it dose not look good
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This is one of the best versions of the human phisique developed, no doubt!
He is a true warrior in the gym, he deserves everything good that's happening to him. Jay is the man!
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In 2003 at the Ironman he looked great as well. I also think that was his best
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I remember seeing pics from 2003, i think it was the Arnold. Jay's physique looked simply awesome!
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he still is lacking a ton of detail and shape. thers not cuts in his arms and barely any in his delts nad chest. legs are amazing.
someone post the screen caps or the vid from 01, ronnie beat him fair and square, killed him from the back, won the most muscular, front double and the side chest. how can anyone win while they lost the majority of the mandatories. he was good dont get me wrong, but he is not great.
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based on this vid, jay loses. dont see how he doesnt.
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jay dominated him, the general concensus was jay killed him from the front but lacked in the back dept. It was a fix from the off in 2001, ronnie was the only 1 who was "allowed" to use props and got an almost 10 minute routine apparently as opposed to everyone elses 2-3 minutes. He looked fucking awful onstage. No abs, no cuts in his quads. Give me a break
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he still is lacking a ton of detail and shape. thers not cuts in his arms and barely any in his delts nad chest. legs are amazing.
someone post the screen caps or the vid from 01, ronnie beat him fair and square, killed him from the back, won the most muscular, front double and the side chest. how can anyone win while they lost the majority of the mandatories. he was good dont get me wrong, but he is not great.
Ronnie didn't win a majority of the mandatories , in fact he lost the pre-judging Ronnie only beat him in the posing rounds , Ronnie was extremely lucky in 2001
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Ronnie didn't win a majority of the mandatories , in fact he lost the pre-judging Ronnie only beat him in the posing rounds , Ronnie was extremely lucky in 2001
watch the vid, and tell me jay isnt losing every pose i stated earlier. he clearly is, he is samller and less detailed. and loses badly from the back.
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jay dominated him, the general concensus was jay killed him from the front but lacked in the back dept. It was a fix from the off in 2001, ronnie was the only 1 who was "allowed" to use props and got an almost 10 minute routine apparently as opposed to everyone elses 2-3 minutes. He looked fucking awful, he was a pregnant gorilla onstage. No abs, no cuts in his quads. Give me a break
Exactly it specifically says NO props or multi-colored posing trunks , and Ronnie was allowed to pose longer than everyone else , and low-and-behold he wins the posing rounds and the contest after losing the ENTIRE prejudging its never been done in the history of the Olympia .
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watch the vid, and tell me jay isnt losing every pose i stated earlier. he clearly is, he is samller and less detailed. and loses badly from the back.
Smaller? they both weighed 264 pounds and Ronnie is 5'11" and Jay is lucky if he's 5'9" thats smaller? and the video & pics can be misleading , Jay was clearly the better guy on that occasion , he may not have been better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was better on that day , and I agree Ronnie's back did have more detail in his back but his conditioning was off , even compared to jays.
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watch the vid, and tell me jay isnt losing every pose i stated earlier. he clearly is, he is samller and less detailed. and loses badly from the back.
ronnie has never been so overpowered from the front by anyone. He was bloated, face it. Jay had abs and legs that were possibly the best in the show (Shawn for abs maybe) and Ronnies were worse than Kamalis. His chest and arms may have been slightly weaker if at all than Ronnies, but you cant gove Ronnie the title because he has a better back. Its like giving John Daly every Major by virtue of having the longest drive on the tour. Its bollocks
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Exactly it specifically says NO props or multi-colored posing trunks , and Ronnie was allowed to pose longer than everyone else , and low-and-behold he wins the posing rounds and the contest after losing the ENTIRE prejudging its never been done in the history of the Olympia .
Actually in 1990 Lee haney lost the prejudging to Labrada and then won the posing round to take the whole thing. Also a ridiculous decision.
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Sums it up
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based on this vid, jay loses. dont see how he doesnt.
Actually, Jay wins relaxed front, abs-thighs, front latspread, side chest, front double bicep, side tricep. He loses rear latspread and rear double bicep. He also wins on overall proportion. So he loses 2 and wins 7.
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Sums it up
LOL, that's funny but really that's the "Victory" sign.
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Actually in 1990 Lee haney lost the prejudging to Labrada and then won the posing round to take the whole thing. Also a ridiculous decision.
Haney NEVER lost the prejudging , in 1991 he lost the muscularity round to Yates but he never lost the whole prejudging
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lets put it into simplistic terms if we can for the Coleman hardcores:
1. Ronnie = Never looked worse
2. Jay = never looked better
1+2 = 3. Jay Cutler win
4. IFBB Political interferance THEREFORE
4-3 = Ronnie Coleman win
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LOL, that's funny but really that's the "Victory" sign.
Sure it is ::)
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Actually, Jay wins relaxed front, abs-thighs, front latspread, side chest, front double bicep, side tricep. He loses rear latspread and rear double bicep. He also wins on overall proportion. So he loses 2 and wins 7.
Jay won ALL mandatory poses , he won the whole prejudging , he lost the posing rounds and the show .
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based on this vid, jay loses. dont see how he doesnt.
Ronnie forgets to remember which way to face for front double biceps... ::)
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Haney NEVER lost the prejudging , in 1991 he lost the muscularity round to Yates but he never lost the whole prejudging
You are absolutely, 100% WRONG. 1990 he was LOSING to Labrada heading into the night show.
Flex Magazine, February 1991, p. 138:
"By the end of round two, Lee Labrada was justifiably swimming in elation; he was ahead of Lee Haney by two points."
Round three was the evening show.
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ronnie wasn't even close that year..c'mon now. Look at the thighs on jay, that should tell the story right there....easily one of the best physiques on Jay since 2000, just awsome. To bad the judges want bloated monsters instead of ripped, big awsome looking BBers like jay looks like there.
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You are absolutely, 100% WRONG. 1990 he was LOSING to Labrada heading into the night show.
Flex Magazine, February 1991, p. 138:
"By the end of round two, Lee Labrada was justifiably swimming in elation; he was ahead of Lee Haney by two points."
Round three was the evening show.
HMmmmmmmmmmmm I guess I am wrong ???
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You are absolutely, 100% WRONG. 1990 he was LOSING to Labrada heading into the night show.
Flex Magazine, February 1991, p. 138:
"By the end of round two, Lee Labrada was justifiably swimming in elation; he was ahead of Lee Haney by two points."
Round three was the evening show.
this is correct. they even talk about it on the ESPN broadcast...
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The most amazing thing about Jay in this photo (aside from his insane shoullder-to-waist ratio)? He has PEC striations!
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HMmmmmmmmmmmm I guess I am wrong ???
Yep, and doesn't it make that Olympia a joke? C'mon, Lee haney beating Labrada at POSING?! >:(
Oh, and just a question...do I lose my getbig membership because my previous post didn't have "owned!" all over it? ;)
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Yep, and doesn't it make that Olympia a joke? C'mon, Lee haney beating Labrada at POSING?! >:(
Oh, and just a question...do I lose my getbig membership because my previous post didn't have "owned!" all over it? ;)
I can't believe Haney beat Labrada in the posing rounds lol my apologies for being wrong.
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Actually, Jay wins relaxed front, abs-thighs, front latspread, side chest, front double bicep, side tricep. He loses rear latspread and rear double bicep. He also wins on overall proportion. So he loses 2 and wins 7.
are you out of your mind!!!
lat spread
jay has no detail nor striations in the front lat spread and is not as wide, and shittier taper then ronnie.ronnie has numerous cross striations in his chest and delts, with way better arm.
front double bi
jays symmtry is laughable, ronnies arms are bigger, more defined and he has better proportions. jay looks stumpy with 2 inch legs and long midsection
side chest
ahahah, this is the funniest, ronnie has striations in the delts and chest with way bigger arms. jay has no detail in the side chest and a flat pancake chest.
side tri, and abs jay wins.
so even if you half it on the front, side chest, mm and double bi ronnies, ill say the front lat arguable ronnie still wins based on the domination from the back. you cant win by only winning one side, and jay totally lost the back and was arguable from the front.
ronnie wins.
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I think this sums up 2001 perfectly:
http://www.bodybuildinglive.com/articles/2001_11_2001olympia.html
Rumor had it that everyone just figured Ronnie would win again. "He’s unbeatable," I’ve heard some proclaim all year long...However, nobody told any of that "unbeatable" stuff to Jay Cutler.
The very first competitor on the stage was Ronnie Coleman...The crowd oohed and ahhed, shook their heads in astonishment at his size, and, of course, cheered a whole bunch. Yup, unbeatable everyone figured.
Jay Cutler then came on the stage and the crowd all took notice, but not as many people went ooh and ahh like they did for Ronnie. I guess we just thought he looked darn good and that Ronnie was still unbeatable.
...Then the unthinkable happened; the unbeatable was suddenly getting beaten up.
When Ronnie and Jay stood side by side, the oohing and ahhing started again. Then it got louder and louder. Believe it or not, it didn’t take long for the judges to catch on either. For whatever reason, standing alone Jay failed to impress, but standing beside Ronnie he looked better. Yes better!
...So, how close was it? Not really close at all. In the morning, Jay flat-out won...From where I was sitting, all I could here was "Jay, Jay, Jay" being chanted by the fans...I looked up at Ronnie and I’d never seen him look so worried...If you look at the score cards, you’ll see Cutler was ahead by a pretty good margin when the morning finished up.
...Then came the night show. Darkness fell and that changed everything. Ronnie was first up and did have a better free-posing routine than Jay...Then the final posedown came...Nighttime really hadn’t changed a thing; Jay still looked better.
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side chest
ahahah, this is the funniest, ronnie has striations in the delts and chest with way bigger arms. jay has no detail in the side chest and a flat pancake chest.
Look, if you can't understand why Ronnie's pregnant stomach ruins his side poses, then you obviously don't know enough about bodybuilding to hold a discussion. There's a reason why bodybuilding isn't called "Huge guy competition." Bodybuilders are not simply huge weightlifters. They're supposed to have X frames. A huge gut is the exact OPPOSITE of what bodybuilding's all about.
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I can't believe Haney beat Labrada in the posing rounds
No harder to believe that Ronnie coming from behind to beat Jay in the posing round.
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what gut in the side poses, in the vid he controls his gut well. oh you must be one of the morons like nd that think transitions count and walking around.during the mandatories his gut is controlled, thats all that matters.
complaining about a gut in transitions is like complaining about no striations in the chest during transitions, IT DOESNT MATTER.
you cant see anyones gut in the side chest.
i dont care what reporters said, were you there? if you werent then all you have to go on is what i have, the vids and pics, and jay is losing in them. thats like NDS statement about misleading video, youd have to be there. were you? no so same logic as above.
funny that ND says ronnie should have lost because of the pics, and reports, but when people say that about dorian he always says, DORIAN WON. well RONNIE WON end of story. but only a fool would use that as an argument.
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Some of my favorite Cutler pics, all from 2001.
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Some of my favorite Cutler pics, all from 2001.
Actually the first two are '03 Arnold Classic.
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uh.....03 ronnie??
A lot of people say Ronnie was perfect in '03. Based on what?
(http://vpxsports.com/Olympia2003/images/DSCF8018F.jpg)
Looks horrible there.
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epic avoiding my response because you've been badly owned doncummy.
look how shitty his symmtry is. he is a very good bodybuilder but he lost to ronnie.
03 ronnie based on other pics, im sure hulkster can post some were he is murdering everyone.
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A lot of people say Ronnie was perfect in '03. Based on what?
(http://vpxsports.com/Olympia2003/images/DSCF8018F.jpg)
Looks horrible there.
So everyone is wrong....dude post a most muscular, front double bi, and you know what im gonna say next. Post a rear lat spread. ...dude dont sift through 50 pics to find the worst one just tp prove your point.
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jays arms and legs in those pics look like they belong to a dude with 20% bodyfat. smoothish arms in bodybuilding right there.
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jays conditioning was better,jay was more cut,jays legs were more cut,jays arms were better,and i think so even in the back poses jay held his own and overall jay should have won this show
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epic avoiding my response because you've been badly owned doncummy.
look how shitty his symmtry is. he is a very good bodybuilder but he lost to ronnie.
03 ronnie based on other pics, im sure hulkster can post some were he is murdering everyone.
I didn't avoid your response. I already told you if you can't see the problems with that gut then there's no discussion to have. (And yes, DURING his posing you can see the gut, especially during side triceps)
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based on this vid, jay loses. dont see how he doesnt.
Damn I was at that show, memories man memories. Ronnie looked like shit that year, if jays back hadn't sucked so bad, he would have won.
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Anyways, we're getting away from the main focus of the thread: in this pic Jay looks like an amazing Mr. olympia!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121906.0;attach=137325;image)
Does anyone have other pics from that same photoshoot?
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A lot of people say Ronnie was perfect in '03. Based on what?
(http://vpxsports.com/Olympia2003/images/DSCF8018F.jpg)
Looks horrible there.
Ronnie's mid-section looks wider than Jay's
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what gut in the side poses, in the vid he controls his gut well. oh you must be one of the morons like nd that think transitions count and walking around.during the mandatories his gut is controlled, thats all that matters.
complaining about a gut in transitions is like complaining about no striations in the chest during transitions, IT DOESNT MATTER.
you cant see anyones gut in the side chest.
i dont care what reporters said, were you there? if you werent then all you have to go on is what i have, the vids and pics, and jay is losing in them. thats like NDS statement about misleading video, youd have to be there. were you? no so same logic as above.
funny that ND says ronnie should have lost because of the pics, and reports, but when people say that about dorian he always says, DORIAN WON. well RONNIE WON end of story. but only a fool would use that as an argument.
Ronnie's GUT can be seen in the mandatory poses and the scorecards indicate that Ronnie had some very close calls 1998/01/02/04 these are the judges decisions , Dorian never had a close call according to the final scoresheets , people may feel he should have lost but he wasn't in danger of losing despite what people say.
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Actually, Jay wins relaxed front, abs-thighs, front latspread, side chest, front double bicep, side tricep. He loses rear latspread and rear double bicep. He also wins on overall proportion. So he loses 2 and wins 7.
Jay had better front double biceps, side chest??? Put the CRACKPIPE down kiddo. ronnie's chest is twice fuller than jay's in that pose. The pose is called side chest, so dont give me that crap that jay wins the side chest because of better calves.
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Jay had better front double biceps, side chest??? Put the CRACKPIPE down kiddo. ronnie's chest is twice fuller than jay's in that pose. The pose is called side chest, so dont give me that crap that jay wins the side chest because of better calves.
Exactly, SIDE CHEST, not side delt, as thats all you can see on Ronnie.
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Jay had better front double biceps, side chest??? Put the CRACKPIPE down kiddo. ronnie's chest is twice fuller than jay's in that pose. The pose is called side chest, so dont give me that crap that jay wins the side chest because of better calves.
No Jay wins because he's better conditioned and is carrying 264 pounds of lean mass , Ronnie was 264 pounds and holding water
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uh.....03 ronnie??
still lose... Ronnie may be huge but that fucking gut killed the entire physique
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Ronnie's mid-section looks wider than Jay's
always been wider than anybody else..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121906.0;attach=137352;image)
Look at this picture, apart from Jay, all have their gut protruding out.. Ronnie, Dennis and Dexter..
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Jay, hands down in this shot.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121906.0;attach=137352;image)
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that 1st pic on page one he looks unreal!
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I prefer this. Check out the symmetrical biceps. The right one was actually bigger back then. How did that go so wrong.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/dorian01/015.jpg)
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I prefer this. Check out the symmetrical biceps. The right one was actually bigger back then. How did that go so wrong.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/dorian01/015.jpg)
That is hands down the best Jay has ever looked. He poses well here too.
Wonder why he never hits that pose in a show? ???
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That is hands down the best Jay has ever looked. He poses well here too.
Wonder why he never hits that pose in a show? ???
He got bigger
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WOW!!!!!
GH has ruined his physique
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look's like a 250lb dolf lundgren in that pic.
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We know Ronnie's midsection isn't perfect but in that picture, DJ and Dexter's look worse.
It's not about looking the best of the worst ::) ....Cutler has easily defeated Coleman in that shot.
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We know Ronnie's midsection isn't perfect but in that picture, DJ and Dexter's look worse.
DJ's and Ronnie's are about tied and Dex isn't far behind and Cutler has a slight vaccum
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We know Ronnie's midsection isn't perfect but in that picture, DJ and Dexter's look worse.
Yes, but herein lies the point of bodybuilding that the judges seem to miss 90% of the time: the guy who should win is the one who is CLOSEST to perfection.
And I'd be willing to bet there's no one here who, when thinking of perfection, thinks of distended abs being anywhere NEAR that side of the spectrum.
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i think he can definatly acheive that again. Hes not getting any bigger hust harder
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I prefer this. Check out the symmetrical biceps. The right one was actually bigger back then. How did that go so wrong.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/dorian01/015.jpg)
look how small his chin looks