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Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, today for the first time publicly defended her decision to become pregnant and asserted that same-sex couples are equally capable of raising children as heterosexual couples.
“When Heather and I decided to have a baby, I knew it wasn’t going to be the most popular decision,” Ms. Cheney said, referring to her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe. She then gestured to her middle — any bulge disguised by a boxy jacket — and asserted: “This is a baby. This is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate, on either side of a political issue. It is my child.”
Ms. Cheney, 37, was speaking at a panel discussion sponsored by Glamour magazine at Barnard College in Manhattan. The baby, whose sex she has not publicly disclosed, is due this spring and will be the sixth grandchild for the vice president and his wife. Ms. Cheney, who is vice president of consumer advocacy for AOL and lives in Virginia, has not said how she became pregnant.
Her father became testy last week during a CNN interview when the host Wolf Blitzer asked what he thought of conservatives — specifically James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family— who are critical of his daughter Mary’s pregnancy.
In refusing to answer, Mr. Cheney told Mr. Blitzer that he was “over the line.”
Ms. Cheney said in a brief interview after the panel that she was not speaking for her father, but that when she saw the interview, she also felt Mr. Blitzer had crossed a line. “He was trying to get a rise out of my father,” she said.
Today at the panel discussion, inside a stuffy room decorated by portraits of stern-looking former Barnard presidents, Cindi Leive, the editor of Glamour, asked Ms. Cheney if she had anything to say to critics like Mr. Dobson.
Mr. Dobson wrote in Time magazine last month that years of social research “indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father.” He also wrote that his group believes that “birth and adoption are the purview of married heterosexual couples.” (Two of the researchers whom Mr. Dobson cited in his article have complained that Mr. Dobson distorted their views and said they disagreed with his conclusions.)
Ms. Cheney noted Mr. Dobson’s distortions of the research he cited and added: “Every piece of remotely responsible research that has been done in the last 20 years has shown there is no difference between children raised by same-sex parents and children raised by opposite-sex parents; what matters is being raised in a stable, loving environment.”
She said Mr. Dobson was entitled to his opinion, “but he’s not someone whose endorsement I have ever drastically sought.”
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test tube baby, huh
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Did anyone else see Wolf Blitzer’s interview with Dick Cheney? Cheney says questions about his lesbian daughter having a baby are out of line. But the very conservative constituents he has cultivated (Focus on the Family, etc.) are the ones most critical of Mary’s lifestyle.
Do you think such questions are out of line? He poses the question near the end of this clip
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Definitely out of line IMO. They are not questions asked because Blitzer has a genuine concern for Cheney and his daughter. They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy. Sounds pretty malicious to me.
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Did anyone else see Wolf Blitzer’s interview with Dick Cheney? Cheney says questions about his lesbian daughter having a baby are out of line. But the very conservative constituents he has cultivated (Focus on the Family, etc.) are the ones most critical of Mary’s lifestyle.
Do you think such questions are out of line? He poses the question near the end of this clip
Good to see you in these parts, Bay, always interesting to have another opinion on the board.
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\They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy
So it's not hypocritical to you?
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So it's not hypocritical to you?
What's not hypocritical? The fact that his lesbian daughter is pregnant?
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What's not hypocritical? The fact that his lesbian daughter is pregnant?
Uh her father is a die-hard con that has a long record of opposing gay rights, and he opposes gays in the military, so I guess now his views have changed? If not then well yeah
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Definitely out of line IMO. They are not questions asked because Blitzer has a genuine concern for Cheney and his daughter. They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy. Sounds pretty malicious to me.
Virtually no interviewer with a politician poses questions that are asked because the reporter has a genuine concern for the politician and his family. The questions are supposed to give the respondent a chance to highlight his/her thinking on the subject and when appropriate, yes, to expose hypocrisy. Why is that out of line? Isn’t that what the fourth branch of government is supposed to do?
Bush/Cheney have specifically cultivated the support of constituents that have made gay & lesbian rights and Family Values a litmus test, yet Cheney’s own family fails that test! Asking him to reconcile that discord strikes me as very much on point and not at all malicious.
This situation is not unlike the case of former VA Senator George Allen. He cultivated the support of the good old boys of VA (including KKK members) yet Allen reacted angrily and suggested a reporter was out of line for asking about the fact that he is of Jewish ancestry. For those fo you whom don’t know, KKK members hate all Jews.
Was asking Allen about his Jewish identity out of line?
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Uh her father is a die-hard con that has a long record of opposing gay rights, and he opposes gays in the military, so I guess now his views have changed? If not then well yeah
Opposing gay rights or gays in the military doesn't mean you hate gays or your child. Cheney's daughter engages in a lifestyle that he disagrees with. That actually happens quite a bit with parents and their children. I think Cheney would be a hypocrite if he turned out to be gay.
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Virtually no interviewer with a politician poses questions that are asked because the reporter has a genuine concern for the politician and his family. The questions are supposed to give the respondent a chance to highlight his/her thinking on the subject and when appropriate, yes, to expose hypocrisy. Why is that out of line? Isn’t that what the fourth branch of government is supposed to do?
Bush/Cheney have specifically cultivated the support of constituents that have made gay & lesbian rights and Family Values a litmus test, yet Cheney’s own family fails that test! Asking him to reconcile that discord strikes me as very much on point and not at all malicious.
This situation is not unlike the case of former VA Senator George Allen. He cultivated the support of the good old boys of VA (including KKK members) yet Allen reacted angrily and suggested a reporter was out of line for asking about the fact that he is of Jewish ancestry. For those fo you whom don’t know, KKK members hate all Jews.
Was asking Allen about his Jewish identity out of line?
I think we disagree on this one. Like I just posted above, I don't believe that a child who engages in conduct that the parent deems objectionable makes the parent a hypocrite. A hypocrite is someone who doesn't practice what they preach. Ted Haggard is a hypocrite. Cheney is not, unless he raised his daughter to be a lesbian.
I don't recall the questions about Allen and his Jewish identity?
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I think Cheney would be a hypocrite if he turned out to be gay.
well it is said to be a genetic thing
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Opposing gay rights or gays in the military doesn't mean you hate gays or your child...
Actually, very often it does. A lot of conservatives reject their gay children and put their ideology ahead of their own flesh and blood. Arch conservative, Alan Keyes, is one of them.
Keyes said homosexuality was based on "selfish hedonism." When Signorile asked if Mary Cheney, Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, was a selfish hedonist, Keyes replied, "Of course she is. That goes by definition."
Keyes kicked his own lesbian daughter out of the house and out of the family, stopped paying her college tuition, etc.
As conservative as they are, I am sure that Dick and Lynne Cheney know that being a lesbian is not a choice their daughter made; she was born that way. If that is true, why do they support laws that deny equality to their own child?
Keyes may be a bad father but at least he is consistent. Cheney is a hypocrite and a coward. He can't take on his own conservative base.
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Did anyone else see Wolf Blitzer’s interview with Dick Cheney? Cheney says questions about his lesbian daughter having a baby are out of line. But the very conservative constituents he has cultivated (Focus on the Family, etc.) are the ones most critical of Mary’s lifestyle.
Do you think such questions are out of line? He poses the question near the end of this clip
It's rather a telling sign of his character that he hasn't toned down the rhetoric. Given that he has seen first hand the life of a homosexual it's not out of line to think he might actually find the desire to stop dehumanizing homosexuals.
His own offspring and yet the ridiculous rhetoric lives on.
Another human beings sexual preference is none of anyone else's business as long as it's not against the law and no one is hurt. And the same goes for a homosexuals right to get married, give birth or adopt children.
Prejudice is the only reason homosexuals don't have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I know the majority of polls say that people don't want homosexuals to have the same rights as heterosexuals but I find it hard to believe that anyone truly cares if two men or two women want to get married. Why is it anyone else's business and why does anyone else care?
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Actually, very often it does. A lot of conservatives reject their gay children and put their ideology ahead of their own flesh and blood. Arch conservative, Alan Keyes, is one of them.
Keyes said homosexuality was based on "selfish hedonism." When Signorile asked if Mary Cheney, Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, was a selfish hedonist, Keyes replied, "Of course she is. That goes by definition."
Keyes kicked his own lesbian daughter out of the house and out of the family, stopped paying her college tuition, etc.
As conservative as they are, I am sure that Dick and Lynne Cheney know that being a lesbian is not a choice their daughter made; she was born that way. If that is true, why do they support laws that deny equality to their own child?
Keyes may be a bad father but at least he is consistent. Cheney is a hypocrite and a coward. He can't take on his own conservative base.
Bay we have discussed the issue of homosexuality before, so you obviously know I don't agree with the lifestyle, but I do not support demonizing the person for the lifestyle he or she chooses to live. We will not solve whether a person is born gay or chooses to live that way on this board. I think we could both come up with good examples of why it either is or is not a lifestyle choice. I think what we can agree on is hating a homosexual solely because he or she is a homosexual is wrong.
It also sounds like we have different definitions of hypocrisy. :) My definition of a hypocrite is someone who doesn't practice what they preach. What's yours?
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I don't recall the questions about Allen and his Jewish identity?
Where were you when all that was going on? Anyway, I started a different thread for that subject.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123640.0
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This board is always the same...
Blah Blah gay sex, Blah Blah congress.
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He'll tell 100 million families how to live their lives. But gets offended when asked about his own house.
yes, Wolf pushed him a bit, but it's about damn time journalists started doing their job again.
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This board is always the same...
Blah Blah gay sex, Blah Blah congress.
Good to see you stayed on topic then.
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Good to see you stayed on topic then.
;D
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He'll tell 100 million families how to live their lives. But gets offended when asked about his own house.
yes, Wolf pushed him a bit, but it's about damn time journalists started doing their job again.
if your child lived a lifestyle you didn't agree with, wouldn't you still defend them??
i hope so.
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if your child lived a lifestyle you didn't agree with, wouldn't you still defend them??
i hope so.
Yes. But I wouldn't make my career of bashing people who lived that lifestyle. Cheney has a history of intolerance and a willingness to bash people who act in that manner. I do not.
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Yes. But I wouldn't make my career of bashing people who lived that lifestyle. Cheney has a history of intolerance and a willingness to bash people who act in that manner. I do not.
It's the hypocracy that I can't stand... He's a fear mongerer and a man of much hate.
I agree with you... If he doesn't want people involved in his life... Stay out of theirs.
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she worked on cheneys campaign...she worked for a party that opposes same sex marriages..
you cant have 1 foot in and one foot out..simple..
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The problem as I see it, is that Cheney doesn't have a pro-Gay policy.
Or that he hasn't cut off the family ties with his lesbian daughter.
He can't have both.
Either be a Gay friendly politician with a lesbian daughter.
Or Anti-Gay and not acknowledging that daughter.
I don't care whichever stance he takes.
It's the inconsistency I don't understand.
-Hedge
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If he doesn't want people involved in his life... Stay out of theirs.
I agree, it's as simple as that
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Hypocrite = "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually posses, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."
Hypocrisy = "a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess."
Cheney having a lesbian daughter doesn't fall under either definition.
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Hypocrite = "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually posses, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."
Hypocrisy = "a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess."
Cheney having a lesbian daughter doesn't fall under either definition.
My original statement was in regards to him wanting to be in your business, but you stay out of his.
Although... he is totally against Gay people and yet does not shun his daughter, that too is hypocritical don't you think?
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Hypocrite = "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually posses, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."
Hypocrisy = "a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess."
Cheney having a lesbian daughter doesn't fall under either definition.
Cheney having a lesbian daughter but not doing anything about it, does fall under both definitions IMO.
I am very pro gay and all, but I'm trying to not make this about Gay rights.
I think Alan Keyes, kicking out his daughter, is acting in line with his political beliefs.
Either Cheney needs to change his beliefs, or his family situation IMO.
-Hedge
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My original statement was in regards to him wanting to be in your business, but you stay out of his.
Although... he is totally against Gay people and yet does not shun his daughter, that too is hypocritical don't you think?
I don't know that he is against homosexuals. He opposes granting special rights to homosexuals. There is nothing hypocritical about opposing a lifestyle choice and loving your kid. He probably doesn't embrace his daughter's lifestyle, but he embraces her. That's actually very consistent with being a Christian. (Not sure if Cheney is a Christian.)
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Cheney having a lesbian daughter but not doing anything about it, does fall under both definitions IMO.
I am very pro gay and all, but I'm trying to not make this about Gay rights.
I think Alan Keyes, kicking out his daughter, is acting in line with his political beliefs.
Either Cheney needs to change his beliefs, or his family situation IMO.
-Hedge
What beliefs does he need to change?
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I don't know that he is against homosexuals. He opposes granting special rights to homosexuals. There is nothing hypocritical about opposing a lifestyle choice and loving your kid. He probably doesn't embrace his daughter's lifestyle, but he embraces her. That's actually very consistent with being a Christian. (Not sure if Cheney is a Christian.)
I thought it was "equal rights", never heard them say they were "special" before.
Cheney not a Christian? Come on... he's with "W" right?
As far as Christianity is concerned... Christians still say homosexuality is evil... but he's letting evil into his life... Somewhere there's some hypocracy in there.
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I thought it was "equal rights", never heard them say they were "special" before.
Cheney not a Christian? Come on... he's with "W" right?
As far as Christianity is concerned... Christians still say homosexuality is evil... but he's letting evil into his life... Somewhere there's some hypocracy in there.
Actually, it's the act that is sinful and Christianity teaches to hate the sin and love the sinner. Not enough Christians do this, unfortunately.
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He probably doesn't embrace his daughter's lifestyle, but he embraces her. That's actually very consistent with being a Christian. (Not sure if Cheney is a Christian.)
Good point.
One thing he could've done, which would've made sense, is to critisise her and her "husband" (?) for getting that kid.
But you're making a valid point.
After all, you should love thy enemies, right? ;)
-Hedge
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Mary Cheney defends same-sex parenthood
Vice president's lesbian daughter says baby not 'prop'
(02-02) 04:00 PST New York -- Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, has for the first time publicly defended her decision to become pregnant and asserted that same-sex couples were equally capable of raising children as heterosexual couples.
"When Heather and I decided to have a baby, it wasn't going to be the most popular decision ever," Cheney said, referring to her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe.
She then gestured to her middle -- any bulge was disguised by a boxy jacket -- and asserted: "This is a baby. This is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate by people on either side of an issue. It is my child."
Cheney, 37, was speaking Wednesday at Barnard College in Manhattan in a panel discussion sponsored by Glamour magazine. The baby, whose sex she has not revealed publicly, is due this spring and will be the sixth grandchild for the vice president and his wife.
Cheney, who is vice president for consumer advocacy for AOL and lives in Virginia, has not said how she became pregnant.
Her father became testy last week during a CNN interview when the host, Wolf Blitzer, asked what he thought of conservatives -- specifically James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family -- who are critical of his daughter's pregnancy.
In refusing to answer, the vice president told his interviewer: "I think, frankly, you're out of line with that question."
Mary Cheney said in a brief interview after the panel discussion that she was not speaking for her father, but that when she saw the interview, she also felt Blitzer had crossed a line. "He was trying to get a rise out of my father," she said.
Glamour editor Cindi Leive asked Cheney whether she had anything to say to critics like Dobson.
He wrote in Time magazine in December that years of social research "indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father." He also wrote that his group believes that "birth and adoption are the purview of married heterosexual couples." Two of the researchers whom Dobson cited in his article have complained that Dobson distorted their views and said they disagreed with his conclusions.
Cheney agreed the research was distorted. "Every piece of remotely responsible research that has been done in the last 20 years on this issue has shown there is no difference between children who are raised by same-sex parents and children who are raised by opposite-sex parents," she said. "What matters is that children are raised in a stable, loving environment."
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URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/02/MNG0KNTHP11.DTL
If she believes that same-sex couples are equally capable of raising children as heterosexual couples and her father is supporting her and the impending child, he must believe that as well. Why doesn't he take on her conservative critics? Through his behavior he is essentially saying that gays and lesbians should have no equal/parental rights--except for his daughter and her lover. So much for standing on principle. ::)
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She then gestured to her middle -- any bulge was disguised by a boxy jacket -- and asserted: "This is a baby. This is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate by people on either side of an issue. It is my child."
Cheney, 37, was speaking Wednesday at Barnard College in Manhattan in a panel discussion sponsored by Glamour magazine.
:-\ So she is invited to speak on a public panel, solely because she is the pregnant lesbian daughter of a conservative vice president, and her baby is not a prop? Okkaaaayyyyy.
I find the attacks on Cheney sort of amusing. On one hand, he is a "hypocrite" for not publicly condemning his daughter (rather than just her behavior). On the other hand, he would be a heartless, terrible father if he disowned her like Alan Keyes did with his daughter. Nothing inconsistent there. ::)
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:-\ So she is invited to speak on a public panel, solely because she is the pregnant lesbian daughter of a conservative vice president, and her baby is not a prop? Okkaaaayyyyy.
I find the attacks on Cheney sort of amusing. On one hand, he is a "hypocrite" for not publicly condemning his daughter (rather than just her behavior). On the other hand, he would be a heartless, terrible father if he disowned her like Alan Keyes did with his daughter. Nothing inconsistent there. ::)
I wouldn't judge him for being consistent. I've never claimed Keyes to be a terrible father or a hypocrite, or inconsistent with his political beliefs.
I may not agree with Keyes views on teh faggotrism, but I give him credit for not just talking the talk, but also walking the walk.
The key issue is really: Who knows what Dick Cheney really thinks about gays?
Who would really trust him to be anti-Gay, when he's not condemning the way his daughter chooses to live?
That is really the only issue here for me.
Sure, Gay Rights can be debated forever.
But this whole "Do as I say, not as I do" pattern of Cheney, is what I find interesting, and a nice topic.
-Hedge
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Now that she has given birth do you opinionated conservatives still think Mary Cheney (and all other homosexuals) woke up one day and chose to be gay/lesbian?
Cheney’s Daughter Gives Birth to a Boy
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON, May 23 (AP) — Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter Mary delivered an 8-pound, 6-ounce boy on Wednesday, the first child for her and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe.
Samuel David Cheney was born at 9:46 a.m. at Sibley Hospital here, the vice president’s office announced. Mr. Cheney and his wife, Lynne, visited their new — and sixth — grandchild a few hours later.
Mary Cheney announced in December that she and Ms. Poe had decided to start a family. Her decision to become pregnant and raise a child with Ms. Poe was criticized in some conservative circles. For example, James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said children needed to be raised by heterosexual married couples.
The vice president bristled at questions on the topic.
Mary Cheney was an aide to her father in the 2004 campaign and now is vice president for consumer advocacy at AOL.
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Opposing gay rights doesn't mean you hate gays.
Huh? ::)
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Now that she has given birth do you opinionated conservatives still think Mary Cheney (and all other homosexuals) woke up one day and chose to be gay/lesbian?
As opposed to a conservative with no opinions? :)
What does have Mary Cheney giving birth to a baby have to do with whether or not she was born a lesbian?
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Huh? ::)
::)
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Definitely out of line IMO. They are not questions asked because Blitzer has a genuine concern for Cheney and his daughter. They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy. Sounds pretty malicious to me.
A reporter trying to expose hypocrisy in government officials? We wouldn't want that! Completely out of line for a "free" press. ::)
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If Cheney himself was engaged in a homosexual lifestyle and spoke out against gays then he would be a hypocrite....like J Edgar Hoover, but Cheney, as much as i can;t stand him and think he's a warmongering greedy devil, can not be held accountable for the choices his daughter makes.
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Here's the new parents. Which one get to be the dad? :)
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If Cheney himself was engaged in a homosexual lifestyle and spoke out against gays then he would be a hypocrite....like J Edgar Hoover, but Cheney, as much as i can;t stand him and think he's a warmongering greedy devil, can not be held accountable for the choices his daughter makes.
I agree.
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Here's the new parents. Which one get to be the dad? :)
Don't cross Heather... She can kick your ass! :-[
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Now that she has given birth do you opinionated conservatives still think Mary Cheney (and all other homosexuals) woke up one
I take you are saying that you're not opinionated, right? :P
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she worked on cheneys campaign...she worked for a party that opposes same sex marriages..
you cant have 1 foot in and one foot out..simple..
Maybe because she's looking at the bigger picture? Fiscal conservatism, national defense, etc.
You don't have to be 100 percent on board with a political party to be affiliated with them.
Believe it or not there are gay conservatives.