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Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« on: January 31, 2007, 06:11:04 PM »
Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, today for the first time publicly defended her decision to become pregnant and asserted that same-sex couples are equally capable of raising children as heterosexual couples.

“When Heather and I decided to have a baby, I knew it wasn’t going to be the most popular decision,” Ms. Cheney said, referring to her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe. She then gestured to her middle — any bulge disguised by a boxy jacket — and asserted: “This is a baby. This is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate, on either side of a political issue. It is my child.”

Ms. Cheney, 37, was speaking at a panel discussion sponsored by Glamour magazine at Barnard College in Manhattan. The baby, whose sex she has not publicly disclosed, is due this spring and will be the sixth grandchild for the vice president and his wife. Ms. Cheney, who is vice president of consumer advocacy for AOL and lives in Virginia, has not said how she became pregnant.

Her father became testy last week during a CNN interview when the host Wolf Blitzer asked what he thought of conservatives — specifically James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family— who are critical of his daughter Mary’s pregnancy.

In refusing to answer, Mr. Cheney told Mr. Blitzer that he was “over the line.”

Ms. Cheney said in a brief interview after the panel that she was not speaking for her father, but that when she saw the interview, she also felt Mr. Blitzer had crossed a line. “He was trying to get a rise out of my father,” she said.

Today at the panel discussion, inside a stuffy room decorated by portraits of stern-looking former Barnard presidents, Cindi Leive, the editor of Glamour, asked Ms. Cheney if she had anything to say to critics like Mr. Dobson.

Mr. Dobson wrote in Time magazine last month that years of social research “indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father.” He also wrote that his group believes that “birth and adoption are the purview of married heterosexual couples.” (Two of the researchers whom Mr. Dobson cited in his article have complained that Mr. Dobson distorted their views and said they disagreed with his conclusions.)

Ms. Cheney noted Mr. Dobson’s distortions of the research he cited and added: “Every piece of remotely responsible research that has been done in the last 20 years has shown there is no difference between children raised by same-sex parents and children raised by opposite-sex parents; what matters is being raised in a stable, loving environment.”

She said Mr. Dobson was entitled to his opinion, “but he’s not someone whose endorsement I have ever drastically sought.”

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 06:17:41 PM »
test tube baby, huh

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 06:18:50 PM »
Did anyone else see Wolf Blitzer’s interview with Dick Cheney?  Cheney says questions about his lesbian daughter having a baby are out of line.  But the very conservative constituents he has cultivated (Focus on the Family, etc.) are the ones most critical of Mary’s lifestyle.

Do you think such questions are out of line?  He poses the question near the end of this clip



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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2007, 06:22:08 PM »
Definitely out of line IMO.  They are not questions asked because Blitzer has a genuine concern for Cheney and his daughter.  They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy.  Sounds pretty malicious to me. 

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2007, 06:23:07 PM »
Did anyone else see Wolf Blitzer’s interview with Dick Cheney?  Cheney says questions about his lesbian daughter having a baby are out of line.  But the very conservative constituents he has cultivated (Focus on the Family, etc.) are the ones most critical of Mary’s lifestyle.

Do you think such questions are out of line?  He poses the question near the end of this clip




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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2007, 06:26:34 PM »
\They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy

So it's not hypocritical to you?

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2007, 06:30:07 PM »
So it's not hypocritical to you?

What's not hypocritical?  The fact that his lesbian daughter is pregnant? 

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2007, 06:41:42 PM »
What's not hypocritical?  The fact that his lesbian daughter is pregnant? 

Uh her father is a die-hard con that has a long record of opposing gay rights, and he opposes gays in the military, so I guess now his views have changed? If not then well yeah

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2007, 06:46:46 PM »
Definitely out of line IMO.  They are not questions asked because Blitzer has a genuine concern for Cheney and his daughter.  They are designed to expose some sort of hypocrisy.  Sounds pretty malicious to me. 

Virtually no interviewer with a politician poses questions that are asked because the reporter has a genuine concern for the politician and his family.  The questions are supposed to give the respondent a chance to highlight his/her thinking on the subject and when appropriate, yes, to expose hypocrisy.  Why is that out of line?  Isn’t that what the fourth branch of government is supposed to do?

Bush/Cheney have specifically cultivated the support of constituents that have made gay & lesbian rights and Family Values a litmus test, yet Cheney’s own family fails that test!  Asking him to reconcile that discord strikes me as very much on point and not at all malicious. 

This situation is not unlike the case of former VA Senator George Allen.  He cultivated the support of the good old boys of VA (including KKK members) yet Allen reacted angrily and suggested a reporter was out of line for asking about the fact that he is of Jewish ancestry.  For those fo you whom don’t know, KKK members hate all Jews. 

Was asking Allen about his Jewish identity out of line?

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2007, 06:58:08 PM »
Uh her father is a die-hard con that has a long record of opposing gay rights, and he opposes gays in the military, so I guess now his views have changed? If not then well yeah

Opposing gay rights or gays in the military doesn't mean you hate gays or your child.  Cheney's daughter engages in a lifestyle that he disagrees with.  That actually happens quite a bit with parents and their children.  I think Cheney would be a hypocrite if he turned out to be gay.   

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2007, 07:02:35 PM »
Virtually no interviewer with a politician poses questions that are asked because the reporter has a genuine concern for the politician and his family.  The questions are supposed to give the respondent a chance to highlight his/her thinking on the subject and when appropriate, yes, to expose hypocrisy.  Why is that out of line?  Isn’t that what the fourth branch of government is supposed to do?

Bush/Cheney have specifically cultivated the support of constituents that have made gay & lesbian rights and Family Values a litmus test, yet Cheney’s own family fails that test!  Asking him to reconcile that discord strikes me as very much on point and not at all malicious. 

This situation is not unlike the case of former VA Senator George Allen.  He cultivated the support of the good old boys of VA (including KKK members) yet Allen reacted angrily and suggested a reporter was out of line for asking about the fact that he is of Jewish ancestry.  For those fo you whom don’t know, KKK members hate all Jews. 

Was asking Allen about his Jewish identity out of line?


I think we disagree on this one.  Like I just posted above, I don't believe that a child who engages in conduct that the parent deems objectionable makes the parent a hypocrite.  A hypocrite is someone who doesn't practice what they preach.  Ted Haggard is a hypocrite.  Cheney is not, unless he raised his daughter to be a lesbian.   

I don't recall the questions about Allen and his Jewish identity? 

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2007, 07:05:54 PM »
I think Cheney would be a hypocrite if he turned out to be gay.   

well it is said to be a genetic thing

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2007, 07:18:42 PM »
Opposing gay rights or gays in the military doesn't mean you hate gays or your child... 

Actually, very often it does.  A lot of conservatives reject their gay children and put their ideology ahead of their own flesh and blood.  Arch conservative, Alan Keyes, is one of them.

Keyes said homosexuality was based on "selfish hedonism." When Signorile asked if Mary Cheney, Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, was a selfish hedonist, Keyes replied, "Of course she is. That goes by definition."

Keyes kicked his own lesbian daughter out of the house and out of the family, stopped paying her college tuition, etc.

As conservative as they are, I am sure that Dick and Lynne Cheney know that being a lesbian is not a choice their daughter made; she was born that way.  If that is true, why do they support laws that deny equality to their own child?

Keyes may be a bad father but at least he is consistent.  Cheney is a hypocrite and a coward. He can't take on his own conservative base.

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 07:23:35 PM »
Did anyone else see Wolf Blitzer’s interview with Dick Cheney?  Cheney says questions about his lesbian daughter having a baby are out of line.  But the very conservative constituents he has cultivated (Focus on the Family, etc.) are the ones most critical of Mary’s lifestyle.

Do you think such questions are out of line?  He poses the question near the end of this clip




It's rather a telling sign of his character that he hasn't toned down the rhetoric. Given that he has seen first hand the life of a homosexual it's not out of line to think he might actually find the desire to stop dehumanizing homosexuals.

His own offspring and yet the ridiculous rhetoric lives on.

Another human beings sexual preference is none of anyone else's business as long as it's not against the law and no one is hurt. And the same goes for a homosexuals right to get married, give birth or adopt children.

Prejudice is the only reason homosexuals don't have the same rights as heterosexuals.

I know the majority of polls say that people don't want homosexuals to have the same rights as heterosexuals but I find it hard to believe that anyone truly cares if two men or two women want to get married. Why is it anyone else's business and why does anyone else care?

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 07:28:10 PM »
Actually, very often it does.  A lot of conservatives reject their gay children and put their ideology ahead of their own flesh and blood.  Arch conservative, Alan Keyes, is one of them.

Keyes said homosexuality was based on "selfish hedonism." When Signorile asked if Mary Cheney, Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, was a selfish hedonist, Keyes replied, "Of course she is. That goes by definition."

Keyes kicked his own lesbian daughter out of the house and out of the family, stopped paying her college tuition, etc.

As conservative as they are, I am sure that Dick and Lynne Cheney know that being a lesbian is not a choice their daughter made; she was born that way.  If that is true, why do they support laws that deny equality to their own child?

Keyes may be a bad father but at least he is consistent.  Cheney is a hypocrite and a coward. He can't take on his own conservative base.


Bay we have discussed the issue of homosexuality before, so you obviously know I don't agree with the lifestyle, but I do not support demonizing the person for the lifestyle he or she chooses to live.  We will not solve whether a person is born gay or chooses to live that way on this board.  I think we could both come up with good examples of why it either is or is not a lifestyle choice.  I think what we can agree on is hating a homosexual solely because he or she is a homosexual is wrong.

It also sounds like we have different definitions of hypocrisy.   :)  My definition of a hypocrite is someone who doesn't practice what they preach.  What's yours?  

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2007, 07:34:20 PM »
I don't recall the questions about Allen and his Jewish identity? 

Where were you when all that was going on?  Anyway, I started a different thread for that subject.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123640.0


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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2007, 09:12:15 PM »
This board is always the same...

Blah Blah gay sex, Blah Blah congress.

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2007, 09:20:23 PM »
He'll tell 100 million families how to live their lives.  But gets offended when asked about his own house.

yes, Wolf pushed him a bit, but it's about damn time journalists started doing their job again.

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2007, 09:22:16 PM »
This board is always the same...

Blah Blah gay sex, Blah Blah congress.

Good to see you stayed on topic then.
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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2007, 09:50:05 PM »
Good to see you stayed on topic then.

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 10:09:26 AM »
He'll tell 100 million families how to live their lives.  But gets offended when asked about his own house.

yes, Wolf pushed him a bit, but it's about damn time journalists started doing their job again.


if your child lived a lifestyle you didn't agree with, wouldn't you still defend them??

 i hope so.
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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 11:00:45 AM »

if your child lived a lifestyle you didn't agree with, wouldn't you still defend them??

 i hope so.

Yes.  But I wouldn't make my career of bashing people who lived that lifestyle.  Cheney has a history of intolerance and a willingness to bash people who act in that manner.  I do not.

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 02:54:39 PM »
Yes.  But I wouldn't make my career of bashing people who lived that lifestyle.  Cheney has a history of intolerance and a willingness to bash people who act in that manner.  I do not.

It's the hypocracy that I can't stand... He's a fear mongerer and a man of much hate.

I agree with you... If he doesn't want people involved in his life... Stay out of theirs.

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 04:45:35 PM »
she worked on cheneys campaign...she worked for a party that opposes same sex marriages..

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Re: Mary Cheney Publicly Defends Her Pregnancy
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 04:54:48 PM »
The problem as I see it, is that Cheney doesn't have a pro-Gay policy.

Or that he hasn't cut off the family ties with his lesbian daughter.

He can't have both.

Either be a Gay friendly politician with a lesbian daughter.

Or Anti-Gay and not acknowledging that daughter.


I don't care whichever stance he takes.

It's the inconsistency I don't understand.

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