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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Albeit on February 20, 2007, 07:57:40 PM
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I appologize if this has already been covered or whatnot, but i'll ask it anyways: is the inherent risk in deadlifts worth the risk vs the benefit? I mean, if you do heavy squats, isn't that more important than heavy deads? The reason i ask is a couple of years ago i messed up my back by doing deads that i guess were too heavy (i thought my form was ok, but it could have been the reason too). So now, i do them pretty light, and am kind of paranoid to bring the weight up again. Just wondering what you think in general about this exercise.
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Oh yeah, for what it's worth, when the injury happened, i was lowering the weight to the ground when i heard / felt two pops in my lower back. It didn't hurt, it was just like the sound when you crack your back, but i was like "f*ck, i better put this down now," and like 20 min later it seized up and i couldn't even tie my shoes....it took months to be back to normal, and even now it's not the same as it was.
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If it’s the lower portion of the movement that aggravates you, try partial/rack dead lifts. Depending on where you set the bar, you can eliminate roughly the bottom third of the ROM.
You can still go heavy to overload the muscles at the top of the contraction, but starting up higher is a little more forgiving on the lumbar region.
Most people think it’s easier to start up higher.
A small percentage of trainers think it’s just as hard because, while you start higher and shorten the stroke, you also eliminate the momentum that your legs and lower back help create by the time the bar hits the starting position of a partial.
In addition to being safer, Charles Glass recommends these to his clients because they offer the same benefit (as traditional DL) to the rest of the back without thickening the waist.
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If youre just going for muscle growth, I have a much better option than olympic bar deadlifts.
Dumbell deadlifts. Holding the bells on the sides. Much easier to keep your back straight(ish) and to keep a vertical plane of movement.
Ive been doing them for a few weeks. 75lb x 20 reps(ish)....ouch! Ive been getting a level of soreness that I havent gotten in my 15 yrs of training...not to mention a bit of growth.
Try them and post feedback.
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If youre just going for muscle growth, I have a much better option than olympic bar deadlifts.
Dumbell deadlifts. Holding the bells on the sides. Much easier to keep your back straight(ish) and to keep a vertical plane of movement.
Ive been doing them for a few weeks. 75lb x 20 reps(ish)....ouch! Ive been getting a level of soreness that I havent gotten in my 15 yrs of training...not to mention a bit of growth.
Try them and post feedback.
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Yeah, if after 15 years you haven't been that sore, i'd say it's worth a shot.
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Pleae do, Im still pissed at myself for only just trying them. I use straps too btw. I just dont want my grip to fail before my quads.
Heres what I do..
50x15 wu
75x20 ouch
75x20 ouch!
75x18-20 (life changing event!)
Shoulder width stance. Keeping back as straight as well as you can. Almost dragging the bells down the sides of the legs. Touch bells to floor and back up.
Squat down and hold with no weight for 60 sec between sets "trapping" the blood in the quads. They will hurt as much as the deads!
Like I said, PLEASE post feedback.
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here's a big article on deadlift and variations, even videos. check out the sumo deadlift
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson101.htm
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deadlifts is one of the best erxercise ever works the lowerback the grip the traps the hamstrings benefits are immense use heavy weights
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They're no riskier than any other exercise you do. :-\
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sure they are.
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sure they are.
How so? You can get injured doing any exercise with shitty form or too heavy of weight which is usually why people get hurt on deads...
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some exercises are technically more difficult and because of that harder to do with good form which enhances the risk of injury. plus some exercises, give worse injuries if you do injure yourself on em.
i rather injure myself doing tricep pushdowns than squats.
problem with deadlift for example is that good form gets harder with more weight.
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If youre just going for muscle growth, I have a much better option than olympic bar deadlifts.
Dumbell deadlifts. Holding the bells on the sides. Much easier to keep your back straight(ish) and to keep a vertical plane of movement.
Ive been doing them for a few weeks. 75lb x 20 reps(ish)....ouch! Ive been getting a level of soreness that I havent gotten in my 15 yrs of training...not to mention a bit of growth.
Try them and post feedback.
D
75 pound db deadlifts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my Lord, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you must have a grip that could bend steel. ::)
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75 pound db deadlifts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my Lord, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you must have a grip that could bend steel. ::)
thanks for the quality addition.... ::)
dumbbell deads with reps over 15 hurt like hell, i've been down that road before. do to a nagging back issue i have resigned myself to just doing stiff leg deads... it may sound silly but they hurt my back a lot less then full deads and i use close to the same weight
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thanks for the quality addition.... ::)
dumbbell deads with reps over 15 hurt like hell, i've been down that road before. do to a nagging back issue i have resigned myself to just doing stiff leg deads... it may sound silly but they hurt my back a lot less then full deads and i use close to the same weight
no offense to him i'm sure he's a nice guy but that type of weight deserves to be ridiculed, it's a joke, they're deadlfits for fucck's saks, even the 150's should be a warm up on a whole body movement like deadlifts, too many of you clowns baby yourselves.
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no offense to him i'm sure he's a nice guy but that type of weight deserves to be ridiculed, it's a joke, they're deadlfits for fucck's saks, even the 150's should be a warm up on a whole body movement like deadlifts, too many of you clowns baby yourselves.
please post a video of yourself doing 20 reps of dumbbell deads with 150s ::)
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no offense to him i'm sure he's a nice guy but that type of weight deserves to be ridiculed, it's a joke, they're deadlfits for fucck's saks, even the 150's should be a warm up on a whole body movement like deadlifts, too many of you clowns baby yourselves.
QFT!
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please post a video of yourself doing 20 reps of dumbbell deads with 150s ::)
hahahhahaa, yeah i'll get right on that "wooo", i'll set up a youtube account, get a video camera and set it up in the gym juts to record a lift that any guy with two years of training should be doing. :-*
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no offense to him i'm sure he's a nice guy but that type of weight deserves to be ridiculed, it's a joke, they're deadlfits for fucck's saks, even the 150's should be a warm up on a whole body movement like deadlifts, too many of you clowns baby yourselves.
Not necessarily. I think if you use the full range of motion doing dummbell deadlifts you can really put a hurt on yourself. Just because you can deadlift 400lbs doesn't mean you'll be able to use 200 pound dumbbells.
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hahahhahaa, yeah i'll get right on that "wooo", i'll set up a youtube account, get a video camera and set it up in the gym juts to record a lift that any guy with two years of training should be doing. :-*
lazy bastard :)
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Go f... yourself sqaud >:(
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150 dumbells are difficult as hell tp pick up with your hands and hold a grip on. doing deads with dumbells will be more of a forearm workout than a back workout.
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Go f... yourself sqaud >:(
hahahhaa, don't get too mad at me "mitchy" i mean shit 75 pound dumbbell deadlifts i can't even imagine the damage you could do to a person. :o
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If dont with the correct form and technique the risk is the same as with any excersise..
DO DEADS.. nuff said
and none of that pussy rack dead nonsense..
deads from the floor...
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Do partial deads, my back is pretty big and ive got very good results with them-and no low back problems. Go heavy and use straps. I use them to start my workout and sometimes do shrugs with them and then go to heavy dbell rows.
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deadlifts squats bench presses are all great exersizes and i bieleve in them. u will here diffrent stories from people who get injured doing them but the everyone will agree they have put mass on many peoples frame. i think form is the major one reason people get injury and not warming up properly...
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deadlifts squats bench presses are all great exersizes and i bieleve in them. u will here diffrent stories from people who get injured doing them but the everyone will agree they have put mass on many peoples frame. i think form is the major one reason people get injury and not warming up properly...
bingo
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Heavy partial deads have definitely put on size and strength, to a noticeable extent, along with squats that i do the day before my back workout. This translates over to chest, where im stronger and much of it is due to deads and squats.
I think your body has a switch and it makes you maintain some form of balance and symetry-in other words squats/deads turn the switch on and allows your entire body to grow-and if you neglect them, you will be stuck at whatever level you are.
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I like deads, but yes they kill my back
someone tell me: when doing partials, roughly how far down on the rack should i be going? (how high up should the bar be placed at?)
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I like deads, but yes they kill my back
someone tell me: when doing partials, roughly how far down on the rack should i be going? (how high up should the bar be placed at?)
shin level
Try cleans...great mass/strength movement and you use less weight. My best deadlift was 465 for 2 and I was able to do 185 for 3 with cleans but my back gets killed. My traps/delts/upper back all have grown from them. Try it. Even using a plate with good form with get that thickness comparable to deads IMO. End of rant. ;D
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Dumbbell deadlifts/squats are tough. I use over 400lbs for deads in my bodybuilding routine at the end of lat training. Try grabbing two 90lbs dumbbells and holding them at your sides. Squat until the dumbbells brush or lightly tap the floor. Go that low. Repeat for 12 slow reps. Now do a couple of sets with this exercise. I do them at the end of leg training when my legs are already shot.
Using dumbbells has a different feel than squatting or deadlifting with a barbell. A much greater range of motion. Someone who hasn't tried doing a dumbbell squat/deadlifts who uses 400lbs./500lbs with a bar is going to be surprised that doing sets with "light" dumbbells is harder than they thought.
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Dumbbell deadlifts/squats are tough. I use over 400lbs for deads in my bodybuilding routine at the end of lat training. Try grabbing two 90lbs dumbbells and holding them at your sides. Squat until the dumbbells brush or lightly tap the floor. Go that low. Repeat for 12 slow reps. Now do a couple of sets with this exercise. I do them at the end of leg training when my legs are already shot.
Using dumbbells has a different feel than squatting or deadlifting with a barbell. A much greater range of motion. Someone who hasn't tried doing a dumbbell squat/deadlifts who uses 400lbs./500lbs with a bar is going to be surprised that doing sets with "light" dumbbells is harder than they thought.
you tell 'em old timer.