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hes back in the gym thanks to Vitali coming out of retirement. At 41 i think he should stay retired, he could be seriously hurt especially is vitali can get back to something like his best
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fianlly a heavyweight fight worth seeing
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I don't think it's such a hot idea. He's been away from boxing for quite some time now. I'm sure his skills are heavily eroded by now. But money talks.
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when he retired he has atleast £150 million in the bank (about $295 million U.S.) so money CANT be his motivational factor. If it is then he is in for a serious beating because hes fighting for nothing more than greed
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Lennox should stick to smoking his pipe and playing chess.
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Klitchko will destroy him.. their one meeting was a fix anyway... Klitschko had him straight up on the scorecards, but the cut from the lacing holes on the glove caused them to call the fight.
Lewis retired a couple of months later... He knew he was beat too... after the fight, all you heard was "Look at him and look at me."
Like the fact that Klitschko had blood flowing from his head was the real sign that he should have won... He better stay retired or Klitschko will hurt him, BAD. The guy has the highest knockout percentage of ANY heavyweight champ ever at 92% and weighs 250 pounds at 6'7"... Lewis may need a psychologist if he's serious, because that's just insane.
Dr. Iron Fist will destroy him I'm afraid...
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I never liked Lewis. Always thought he had a glass jaw. He is just very fortunate to have come along after Mike Tyson lost his mind (and his skills) and when the Heavyweight division went into the toilet.
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You might not have liked him but he was the last great Heavyweight.
If tyson kept it together he would have been the greatest imo, but he didn't so thats not any issue.
Lewis was excellent not the best ever but still very good.
He was just on TV denying this story.
http://www.lennoxlewis.com/lennox/
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There aren't too many things less exciting than Lennox Lewis. I would like to see him pummelled the way Larry Holmes was later in life, just to clarify that Lennox was never great.
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I agree. "Great" and Lennox Lewis should never be used in the same sentence. Who was that crazy journeyman fighter who knocked Lewis out with one punch?
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Klitschko has 34 KOs from 35 wins including one over Herbie Hide (35 KO's from 36 wins) but the only thing that seperates them is Hide has had 2 losses more than him. His record is phenomenal and i whole heartedly believe Lennox should NOT fight again. Forget his legacy, its his health that will be at risk
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I agree. "Great" and Lennox Lewis should never be used in the same sentence. Who was that crazy journeyman fighter who knocked Lewis out with one punch?
I remember him. He lost it and had a nervous breakdown in the ring or something. I think he is in jail now.
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I would like to see him pummelled.
Pumpster, you are a fucking psycho. You been working on Wall Street too long.
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Klitchko will destroy him.. their one meeting was a fix anyway... Klitschko had him straight up on the scorecards, but the cut from the lacing holes on the glove caused them to call the fight.
Lewis retired a couple of months later... He knew he was beat too... after the fight, all you heard was "Look at him and look at me."
Like the fact that Klitschko had blood flowing from his head was the real sign that he should have won... He better stay retired or Klitschko will hurt him, BAD. The guy has the highest knockout percentage of ANY heavyweight champ ever at 92% and weighs 250 pounds at 6'7"... Lewis may need a psychologist if he's serious, because that's just insane.
Dr. Iron Fist will destroy him I'm afraid...
Tu, ain't Lennox about 6'5", 250? I wouldn't think size would be a big factor?
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Lewis was a very tall BIG guy... no doubt... but he never seemed to have any raw power... his fight with Tyson was a sham... I remember Tyson taking a guy that size to town back in the 80s... just threw him against the corner and wailed on him... By the time he beat Tyson... Tyson was a shell.
Klitschko has massive power and while the height / weight may be similar, I'd rather have Lewis hit me any day than Klitschko... I'd rather take that shot than a shot from Tyson in his prime though...
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it was Oliver McCall who beat him first, he had a hell of a pro record but went cuckoo for a while
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Lewis was a very tall BIG guy... no doubt... but he never seemed to have any raw power... his fight with Tyson was a sham... I remember Tyson taking a guy that size to town back in the 80s... just threw him against the corner and wailed on him... By the time he beat Tyson... Tyson was a shell.
Klitschko has massive power and while the height / weight may be similar, I'd rather have Lewis hit me any day than Klitschko... I'd rather take that shot than a shot from Tyson in his prime though...
Tu, I am an old geezer at 45 so I saw Mike fight in person back around 1985 and 1986 at the Felt Form and Madison Square Garden proper. I also used to go fishing up in the Catskills around that time and we would frequently see Mike doing his roadwork. I think Tyson 1985 through 1988 would have knocked out Lewis.
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it was Oliver McCall who beat him first, he had a hell of a pro record but went cuckoo for a while
Yup, thats the guy.
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Tu, I am an old geezer at 45 so I saw Mike fight in person back around 1985 and 1986 at the Felt Form and Madison Square Garden proper. I also used to go fishing up in the Catskills around that time and we would frequently see Mike doing his roadwork. I think Tyson 1985 through 1988 would have knocked out Lewis.
I only got to see Tyson on PPV back then, but I agree... Tyson in my opinion from 84-88 was the best ever... he was like a pit bull let off his leash (to paraphrase Jamie Foxx).
I'd talk shit to anyone else on the the planet before I did it to Tyson from that day.
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You might not have liked him but he was the last great Heavyweight.
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No proof that he was great, because he never fought any great fighters.
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No proof that he was great, because he never fought any great fighters.
Yeah, um... who did he fight? He ducked the Klitschkos for years... I'm trying to think... he beat both Tyson and Holyfield when they were washed up. Who's left that was great?
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tyson always feared lewis
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tyson always feared lewis
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Unlikely... I've never heard of Tyson fearing anyone.
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Tyson KO'd Lennox when they were in their teens, so Tyson always remembered that and had no fear of him at all. He just happened to be years + passed his best and incredibly fat when they fought. It was a shame to see him like that because he dominated the first round and then gassed
BTW Lennox has now confirmed he will NOT be making a comeback, even though Frank Maloney stated he would be
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No proof that he was great, because he never fought any great fighters.
Well pumpy its all opinions anyway isn't it?
You may think some people are great and there are others who will disagree.
Secondly who dominated the division like he did recently? Thats why I think he is a great.
However people will disagree.
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Yeah, um... who did he fight? He ducked the Klitschkos for years... I'm trying to think... he beat both Tyson and Holyfield when they were washed up. Who's left that was great?
Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis would have been an interesting fight in like 1992. Those guys were deadly enemies from the 1988 Olympics.
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tyson always feared lewis
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For all Tyson's faults he never showed the least bit of fear in the ring or out.
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tyson always feared lewis
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Tyson pre meltdown would have slaughtered Lewis.
He would not have feared anyone then and probably not after his jail term, however he may have known his skills were not up to defeating Lewis prior to the bout, but I doubt the loon would be afraid!
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Tyson pre meltdown would have slaughtered Lewis.
He would not have feared anyone then and probably not after his jail term, however he may have known his skills were not up to defeating Lewis prior to the bout, but I doubt the loon would be afraid!
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Yep, ol' iron mike would've fucking killed him in his prime.
I used to hate lewis when he came over bad mouthing big frank bruno. how dare he!!! and then he went and fucking beat our frank up >:(
bruno the loveable fool and mental case "know wot i mean harry"
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lolol yes good old frank managed to get his hands on a title too!! (how did that happen!!? lol)
I doubt he knows what you mean now, Harry. He probably does not know which city he is in!!
What is it with heavyweights and mental probs!
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lolol yes good old frank managed to get his hands on a title too!! (how did that happen!!? lol)
I doubt he knows what you mean now, Harry. He probably does not know which city he is in!!
What is it with heavyweights and mental probs!
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He was on tv last week. He's helping to promote getting boxing back in schools as part of pe. He seemed ok in himself and made a good case for boxing to be taught in schools.
Remember when he first cracked up and the sun newspaper had "Bonkers Bruno Locked Up" on their front page. Then they had to apologise for being dickheads, the stupid twats.
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Well pumpy its all opinions anyway isn't it?
You may think some people are great and there are others who will disagree.
Secondly who dominated the division like he did recently? Thats why I think he is a great.
However people will disagree.
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It's only opinion when there's no real competition. In competitive eras like the 30s, 40s, 60s and 70s there was a basis of proof that hasn't existed since. Fighting mediocrities it takes outrageous performances like Tyson's in the 80s to even receive consideration of greatness IMO. Lewis did not look great nor was he particulary aggressive.
Lewis is something like Larry Holmes-good but barely top ten all-time, and all-round uninspiring. Without proven greatness or personality, the lack of competition hurt their legacies.
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Pumpster, you are a fucking psycho. You been working on Wall Street too long.
My groupie always brings it back to me while conveniently ignoring the same sentiment from others. I give him a reason for being, in lieu of his own content. LOL
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the thing is, Frank was IMO easily winning that fight from what i can remember of it and Lennox got him with a "lucky punch"
Give Lennox credit where its due though. When he fought Tua, Tua was touted as unstoppable and was thought by some as the man to walk through Lewis. What we saw was a masterclass in boxing and Lennox dominated him
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It's only opinion when there's no real competition. In competitive eras like the 30s, 40s, 60s and 70s there was a basis of proof that hasn't existed since. Fighting mediocrities it takes outrageous performances like Tyson's in the 80s to even receive consideration of greatness IMO. Lewis did not look great nor was he particulary aggressive.
Lewis is something like Larry Holmes-good but barely top ten all-time, and all-round uninspiring. Without proven greatness or personality, the lack of competition hurt their legacies.
yes i'll agree on that point, however the argument for proof is something we will have to agree to disagree on.
Secondly being overly aggressive should not be a factor in this, it's boxing not dogfighting. There are plenty of clever boxers who are good and counter punch etc.
anyway i suppose I was slightly over the top calling him great, but he was still the best we've seen in a long time!
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He was on tv last week. He's helping to promote getting boxing back in schools as part of pe. He seemed ok in himself and made a good case for boxing to be taught in schools.
Remember when he first cracked up and the sun newspaper had "Bonkers Bruno Locked Up" on their front page. Then they had to apologise for being dickheads, the stupid twats.
You can always rely on the Sun to print shit then think later!!
Good to see Frank is on the right track
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Unlikely... I've never heard of Tyson fearing anyone.
yeah that is why he basically chose to fight holyfield over lewis ::)
also when guys fight for a living they normally don't go around bragging about who they are afraid of...
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Tyson KO'd Lennox when they were in their teens, so Tyson always remembered that and had no fear of him at all.
see my post above and no he never knocked him out they sparred and both did a number on each other
cus said they both would be future champs
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For all Tyson's faults he never showed the least bit of fear in the ring or out.
did you ever think that maybe it was all apart of his exaggerrated tough guy image?
oh and he clearly feared him in the years leading up to the fight hence the reason it took so long to actually happen
tyson = most overrated fighter ever
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Tyson pre meltdown would have slaughtered Lewis.
He would not have feared anyone then and probably not after his jail term, however he may have known his skills were not up to defeating Lewis prior to the bout, but I doubt the loon would be afraid!
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no he wouldn't have
tyson never faced a guy with lewis height, power, and skill which is why he dodged him for years
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see my post above and no he never knocked him out they sparred and both did a number on each other
cus said they both would be future champs
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then why wasnt it ever contested when it was repeatedly said in the build up to the fight? Tyson at his absolute best would have mauled Lennox, his movement, accuracy and power were awesome but he had the mind as well. His tactics were well thought out and he remains the very best boxer weve ever seen in the HW division. He was the complete package
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no he wouldn't have
tyson never faced a guy with lewis height, power, and skill which is why he dodged him for years
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He HAS faced guys as big as Lewis prior to that fight... I don't have a complete rundown, but I do remember a fight... I think it was in 86, where he took out a 6'6' monster and checked him in the corner and pummelled him.
Lewis was NOT a power hitter... NEVER...
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He HAS faced guys as big as Lewis prior to that fight... I don't have a complete rundown, but I do remember a fight... I think it was in 86, where he took out a 6'6' monster and checked him in the corner and pummelled him.
Lewis was NOT a power hitter... NEVER...
Correct. And Lewis had a glass jaw. It is Lewis, not Tyson, who might be one of the most overrated fighters in boxing history. He was a stiff IMO. Tyson was an animal. I've never seen a fighter hit as hard as he did. I remember his line early in his career, where he said he throws "every punch with bad intentions." That's a classic. And it was true. He was a devastating puncher in his prime. When he fought Frank Bruno, I recall him breaking Bruno's jaw and one or two ribs. And remember the Berbick knockout? I short hook that literally knocked Berbick silly.
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Correct. And Lewis had a glass jaw. It is Lewis, not Tyson, who might be one of the most overrated fighters in boxing history. He was a stiff IMO. Tyson was an animal. I've never seen a fighter hit as hard as he did. I remember his line early in his career, where he said he throws "every punch with bad intentions." That's a classic. And it was true. He was a devastating puncher in his prime. When he fought Frank Bruno, I recall him breaking Bruno's jaw and one or two ribs. And remember the Berbick knockout? I short hook that literally knocked Berbick silly.
The Berbick knockout was classic... I'm awake...
I'm not awake anymore...
You're right about "Bad Intentions"... Every punch Tyson threw could potentially knock you out. I'd let Lewis hit me ANY day over Tyson...
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The Berbick knockout was classic... I'm awake...
I'm not awake anymore...
You're right about "Bad Intentions"... Every punch Tyson threw could potentially knock you out. I'd let Lewis hit me ANY day over Tyson...
Yep. The heavyweight division has been in the crapper ever since Tyson went to prison (the first time). :'(
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Yep. The heavyweight division has been in the crapper ever since Tyson went to prison (the first time). :'(
I agree... there hasn't been interest in it since.
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no he wouldn't have
tyson never faced a guy with lewis height, power, and skill which is why he dodged him for years
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he would have brutalized him and i'm a Lewis fan!
lewis was not nearly as quick as him and secondly being punched by Tyson is about as hard as it gets this would have sent Lewis to the canvas, where he would have stayed. His chin would not have stood up to Tysons power
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He HAS faced guys as big as Lewis prior to that fight... I don't have a complete rundown, but I do remember a fight... I think it was in 86, where he took out a 6'6' monster and checked him in the corner and pummelled him.
Lewis was NOT a power hitter... NEVER...
Yes he did face numerous lanky fucks and smashed them too
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I don't rate Lewis - it'll be a shame to see him come back if he does because he'll ruin whatever legacy he had when he left the game behind. Boxers are the worst sportsmen when it comes to stuff like this - why can't they ever just retire on a high and mean it?
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no he wouldn't have
Tyson never faced a guy with lewis height, power, and skill which is why he dodged him for years
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Completely agree. Who besides Tyson was a credible heavyweight with skill during the late 80's and early 90's that Tyson beat? Michael Spinks? Please!
Tyson would have had trouble with Lewis in any era, period. Don't tell me Lewis doesn't have any power. The last thing a heavyweight loses is his power. Last time I checked he put a bloody Tyson on his sorry ass. Most people get disillusioned by how Tyson layed waste to everyone in his prime. But the bottom line is, he never fucking beat anybody!! Name one credible heavyweight that he has defeated besides a scared to death Michael Spinks. Tyson always had trouble with bigger opponents with decent reach and a good jab. Always. Buster Douglas was 6'4" with a good jab and reach. Remember how that turned out? Don't tell me Tyson wasn't focused. Douglas came to fight that night and WAS NOT intimidated whatsoever of the Tyson mystique.
That's another reason why he couldn't knockout Bonecrusher Smith(who was huge)who thoroughly confused Tyson but lost a majority decision. Tyson was way overrated. There was never a good heavyweight to truly test him during his prime.
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I hope to God that stupid tea drinking crumpet eating croquet fag gets his face beat in... Hope to God Klitschko puts him into a wheelchair..
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Tyson pre meltdown would have slaughtered Lewis.
He would not have feared anyone then and probably not after his jail term, however he may have known his skills were not up to defeating Lewis prior to the bout, but I doubt the loon would be afraid!
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100% correct. I think Tyson knew Lewis was going to whip him but he went and fought without being afraid. He should have bit Lewis ear!
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My groupie always brings it back to me while conveniently ignoring the same sentiment from others. I give him a reason for being, in lieu of his own content. LOL
Wow, who cares what others think tuff guy? You are your own man I thought?
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yeah that is why he basically chose to fight holyfield over lewis ::)
also when guys fight for a living they normally don't go around bragging about who they are afraid of...
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Ok ,Earl. When you got thye nuts to step in the ring get back to me. ::)
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Wow, who cares what others think tuff guy? You are your own man I thought?
Yet another example. I give him a reason to post in the absene of anything else to say.
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then why wasnt it ever contested when it was repeatedly said in the build up to the fight?
I never heard anybody say it other than you
I think it was "beyond the glory" where it was said that they sparred and both fought well
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He HAS faced guys as big as Lewis prior to that fight... I don't have a complete rundown, but I do remember a fight... I think it was in 86, where he took out a 6'6' monster and checked him in the corner and pummelled him.
Lewis was NOT a power hitter... NEVER...
he never ever faced a guy with his size, skills, and power
first guy i've ever heard say lennox wasn't a "power hitter" ::)
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Correct. And Lewis had a glass jaw. It is Lewis, not Tyson, who might be one of the most overrated fighters in boxing history. He was a stiff IMO. Tyson was an animal. I've never seen a fighter hit as hard as he did. I remember his line early in his career, where he said he throws "every punch with bad intentions." That's a classic. And it was true. He was a devastating puncher in his prime. When he fought Frank Bruno, I recall him breaking Bruno's jaw and one or two ribs. And remember the Berbick knockout? I short hook that literally knocked Berbick silly.
who are the great fighters tyson has beaten?
you just named a bunch of cans
berbick beating an old over the hill ali doesn't make him great
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Completely agree. Who besides Tyson was a credible heavyweight with skill during the late 80's and early 90's that Tyson beat? Michael Spinks? Please!
Tyson would have had trouble with Lewis in any era, period. Don't tell me Lewis doesn't have any power. The last thing a heavyweight loses is his power. Last time I checked he put a bloody Tyson on his sorry ass. Most people get disillusioned by how Tyson layed waste to everyone in his prime. But the bottom line is, he never fucking beat anybody!! Name one credible heavyweight that he has defeated besides a scared to death Michael Spinks. Tyson always had trouble with bigger opponents with decent reach and a good jab. Always. Buster Douglas was 6'4" with a good jab and reach. Remember how that turned out? Don't tell me Tyson wasn't focused. Douglas came to fight that night and WAS NOT intimidated whatsoever of the Tyson mystique.
That's another reason why he couldn't knockout Bonecrusher Smith(who was huge)who thoroughly confused Tyson but lost a majority decision. Tyson was way overrated. There was never a good heavyweight to truly test him during his prime.
finally somebody that agrees with me AND EVERY GUY THAT GETS PAID TO KNOW BOXING
tyson is overrated by FANS because he knocked people out
tyson was a scary bully and until he fought douglas nobody was willing to stand up to him
look what happened :)
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Ok ,Earl. When you got thye nuts to step in the ring get back to me. ::)
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finally somebody that agrees with me AND EVERY GUY THAT GETS PAID TO KNOW BOXING
tyson is overrated by FANS because he knocked people out
tyson was a scary bully and until he fought douglas nobody was willing to stand up to him
look what happened :)
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If you don't think Douglas was scared of Tyson, you're crazy... He was scared that night... He's admitted that he had fear, but he powered through it.
So you're paid to know boxing? Almost every boxing analyst on the planet says that Tyson was a fucking beast and that he in his prime would whip damn near anyone out there today.
If you say otherwise, great... have fun... feel free to tell Tyson he's a pussy next time you see him.
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If you don't think Douglas was scared of Tyson, you're crazy... He was scared that night... He's admitted that he had fear, but he powered through it.
So you're paid to know boxing? Almost every boxing analyst on the planet says that Tyson was a fucking beast and that he in his prime would whip damn near anyone out there today.
If you say otherwise, great... have fun... feel free to tell Tyson he's a pussy next time you see him.
he was scared yeah but he was also the first to stand up to him
i'm not paid to know boxing but others are and they all say tyson is overrated by fans
you pulled the "almost every boxing analyst" thing out of your ass ::)
when did I say tyson was a pussy and what is the deal with so many people around here nowadays saying "you wouldn't say that to his face" ::)
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he was scared yeah but he was also the first to stand up to him
i'm not paid to know boxing but others are and they all say tyson is overrated by fans
you pulled the "almost every boxing analyst" thing out of your ass ::)
when did I say tyson was a pussy and what is the deal with so many people around here nowadays saying "you wouldn't say that to his face" ::)
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Let me put it to you like this... I would have no problem looking at Lewis and saying that he ducked a lot of people and was a sub par champ... I would not say it to Tyson.
Not because of Tyson's temper more than Lewis' but simply because if Lewis hit me, I think I could take it... if Tyson hit me, I'd be fucked.
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Let me put it to you like this... I would have no problem looking at Lewis and saying that he ducked a lot of people and was a sub par champ... I would not say it to Tyson.
Not because of Tyson's temper more than Lewis' but simply because if Lewis hit me, I think I could take it... if Tyson hit me, I'd be fucked.
Sorry pal I dont know you and I just started reading but if your not a fighter who trains everyday I dont think that you could take a hit from someone who trains all day... Just my two cents but youd get knocked out.
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Sorry pal I dont know you and I just started reading but if your not a fighter who trains everyday I dont think that you could take a hit from someone who trains all day... Just my two cents but youd get knocked out.
I didn't say I wouldn't... I just said I'd rather get hit by Lewis than Tyson... that's all.
Lewis would knock me out... Tyson might kill me.
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then you obviously didnt watch the full build up to the fight, where it was stated numerous occasions. Lewis wasnt a knockout puncher, he had a good punch but he was never the kind of guy who could put you to sleep with 1 big haymaker. That was Tysons meat and potatos there mate
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Klitschko and Lewis BOTH excelled because the heavyweight field has been INCREDIBLY week for about a decade.
During any other time BOTH would be ranked as mediocre fighters. :-\
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Sorry pal I dont know you and I just started reading but if your not a fighter who trains everyday I dont think that you could take a hit from someone who trains all day... Just my two cents but youd get knocked out.
Completely irrelevant; his point was that Tyson was one of the top all-time punchers, whereas Lewis was underwhelming, with no compelling strengths in any area.
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Completely irrelevant; his point was that Tyson was one of the top all-time punchers, whereas Lewis was underwhelming, with no compelling strengths in any area.
What about lewis' size, height,and reach? Those were compelling strengths which contributed greatly to his success as a heavyweight champion.
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I hope he gets his arse whooped
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What about lewis' size, height,and reach? Those were compelling strengths which contributed greatly to his success as a heavyweight champion.
Size is misleading by itself. Also depends on how it's used and the guy's temperment.
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If you don't think Douglas was scared of Tyson, you're crazy... He was scared that night... He's admitted that he had fear, but he powered through it.
So you're paid to know boxing? Almost every boxing analyst on the planet says that Tyson was a fucking beast and that he in his prime would whip damn near anyone out there today.
If you say otherwise, great... have fun... feel free to tell Tyson he's a pussy next time you see him.
thats where youre wrong, most experts incluing Max Klellerman on air and on his radio show has said repetedly that Mike Tyson was very much dominated against the best heavyweights of his era. which is true, you cant argue that.
Mike in his prime may whip everyone today except for the top the Klitchko brothers perhaps, being that the division is so weak.
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thats where youre wrong, most experts incluing Max Klellerman on air and on his radio show has said repetedly that Mike Tyson was very much dominated against the best heavyweights of his era. which is true, you cant argue that.
Mike in his prime may whip everyone today except for the top the Klitchko brothers perhaps, being that the division is so weak.
That's what I said.
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lennox retired to avoid fighting his brother.either Klitschko would kill him..