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Only rates the odds at 80 to 90% that he'll do the Olympia.
Would not confirm or deny he's skipping the show.
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Epic spamming of phil heath topics in attempt to raise dvd sales
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Epic spamming of phil heath topics in attempt to raise dvd sales
phil heath is our Levrone, man. I'm like a little Earl1972.
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
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I just hope he doesn't try to add on size too quick and ruin his lines (mainly his midsection). It would be a shame just to try to compete with the big guys too soon... really the only parts he needs to bring up from what I can tell is what Heath already knows... his back and quads. He has naturally good calves, so they will continue to grow... I just hope he doesn't try to rush things. Dexter Jackson had a great midsection and overall package at one point... he tried to rush things and now looks like he's expecting a kid to pop out any day now... just an example of a bodybuilder with a HELL of alot of talent ruining his physique because he decides to play the mass game and add size too quickly...
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
good advice S.R
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shawn ray is right...what's the rush?
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Shawn nailed it !
Competing to place 7th to 10th is fucking useless. ( With my mentality, there wouldn't be a lot of guys competing at the O tho :))
If I were Phil, I'd take the year off and start the 2008 season with winning the Ironman pro, giving himself huge momentum once again and than go on to win the ASC
seems like a great plan ! 8)
Oh and RJ should comeback at the montreal pro this year too 8)
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
I have to admit, that's definitely some sound advice. I don't know if you've have already commented on the final order of 2007 ASC, but if you haven't already, what's your take man? Everyone seems to be addressing that Phil lacks clavicle width, do you agree? And what about Dexter, do you think he should of retained his title? I keep on hearing that Dex is unhappy about his current position within the IFBB, and many are already saying that he's no longer considered a serious threat to Jay or Ronnie. I wonder, will Dexter be this generation's Shawn Ray? That's not insult, because I think he should be more then happy if he continues to place within the top 5…or top 3 at any shows he chooses to compete in.
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If he does the Olympia this year, he's gonna pull a Richard Jones or Alex Federov.
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I agree with Shawn that Heath should wait to make a showing at the Olympia...Wait for the human block and the old man to lose before he gives it a real go....He already improved alot from last year...Now just imagine him in another 2 years...Winning the Arnold by next year and 3 other higher paying shows a year, plus guest posing and multiple sponsorships he will easily pull in the money if he plays his cards right and then take the Olympia right before he turns 30 years old....*Hey Shawn I wanted to ask ya if alot of top tier pro's have agents or managers for their careers????
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If he does the Olympia this year, he's gonna pull a Richard Jones or Alex Federov.
Richard Jones made a great choice to finish up his education and Alex Federov never really had a good showing at a big show plus he had multiple injuries...
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I agree with Shawn that Heath should wait to make a showing at the Olympia...Wait for the human block and the old man to lose before he gives it a real go....He already improved alot from last year...Now just imagine him in another 2 years...Winning the Arnold by next year and 3 other higher paying shows a year, plus guest posing and multiple sponsorships he will easily pull in the money if he plays his cards right and then take the Olympia right before he turns 30 years old....*Hey Shawn I wanted to ask ya if alot of top tier pro's have agents or managers for their careers????
If I were Phil, I'd let Ronnie and Jay sort out their business then focus on it for the next year, whilst improving & making $..
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Shawn, my respect for you has doubled. You nailed it. His condition was off and he can only go down if he rushes it, get out there and make a name around the world and enjoy it a bit. Leave this year for the last of the mass monsters.
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
Good "advices"....
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what shawn said
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Shawn made a really good point....But what about all the other pro's who compete in the Olympia, like Ruhl, Haley, Henry, Mohammad, etc etc who realistically have no shot of winning, but will still enter... dosn't it have alot to do with satisfying sponsorship contracts also?
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He's skipping the olympia because he just lost his first show and he got knocked down to reality...The gift was "gift wrapped"...
He wants everyone to think he is not doing the show so everyone on every board will talk about him and email him asking him to please do the olympia...Now After his third pro show he has qualified three times now...And he talking about not competing once again..
He should compete in the olympia this year just like he should have competed last year...In this "sport" anything can happen (health wise)...To blow off an olympia invite because you only want to compete when you think you have a chance in winning it all is bogus...Phil get over yourself and step up and hop on stage with the best of the best...Respect the guys you beat to get there and do the show that some of them would give their left nut to compete in...
Come back to reality and realise that you are not the best in the world(never was)...You won't win next year or the year after that...
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
Shawn knows his stuff.
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
and this is coming from the one and Only, shawn ray. That's great advice, shawn. By the way, was that a ROLEX you had on your wrist at the Expo :)?
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I like Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Stevie Wonder could see that the Olympia would not put another Feather in Phil's Cap by doing the show.
Like Bob Cick said, "Some people are planning their trip to the O to see you so make up your mind."
Personally, I never competed in the Mr. O based on the fans attendance or travel plans.
When you compete to win, do it in a manner where there is a glimmer of hope that you legitamately have a chance, expirience taught me that my Rookie year when I placed 13th because I felt I had some sort of obligation simply because I was qualified.
This is a new day and we are talking about Phil.
No, I never had a "Manager" some guys I have heard have but nonetheless, if you have someone you can listen to as a Pro by all means it would be smart to heed some Advises. ;D
Phil does the O, he gains nothing. :-\
Phil skips the O, his mystique continues to grow as will his muscles and maturity! Which by the way, is what he was sorely missing at the ASC and only comes with time.
The reality is, if he does the show, he will miss the top 6 or eek his way into it but we will all be talking about the Top 2 or 3 guys and the fan fare will wane on the others rather quickly and dude will either be back on a diet 1 or 2 months later for the ASC or take a year off but still have to Requalify at the Colorado Pro Am early summer of 08 in his home state! ;D
I personally would advise him to let them WAIT(The Fans)! 8)
He grows, his gets busy, promotes himself, matures, guest poses, does seminars, markets himself as a product and make this into a business!
If not, I'll be there to support the kid either way but since it's a message board I thought I'd share my two cents.
He has a great FUTURE with FUTURE being the operative word. ;)
Peace,
S. Ray
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It was a Custom Made Breitling :o
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If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post ;)
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business. :-\
Peace,
S. Ray
awesome post shawn...just spoken like a real veteran
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I like Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Stevie Wonder could see that the Olympia would not put another Feather in Phil's Cap by doing the show.
Like Bob Cick said, "Some people are planning their trip to the O to see you so make up your mind."
Personally, I never competed in the Mr. O based on the fans attendance or travel plans.
When you compete to win, do it in a manner where there is a glimmer of hope that you legitamately have a chance, expirience taught me that my Rookie year when I placed 13th because I felt I had some sort of obligation simply because I was qualified.
This is a new day and we are talking about Phil.
No, I never had a "Manager" some guys I have heard have but nonetheless, if you have someone you can listen to as a Pro by all means it would be smart to heed some Advises. ;D
Phil does the O, he gains nothing. :-\
Phil skips the O, his mystique continues to grow as will his muscles and maturity! Which by the way, is what he was sorely missing at the ASC and only comes with time.
The reality is, if he does the show, he will miss the top 6 or eek his way into it but we will all be talking about the Top 2 or 3 guys and the fan fare will wane on the others rather quickly and dude will either be back on a diet 1 or 2 months later for the ASC or take a year off but still have to Requalify at the Colorado Pro Am early summer of 08 in his home state! ;D
I personally would advise him to let them WAIT(The Fans)! 8)
He grows, his gets busy, promotes himself, matures, guest poses, does seminars, markets himself as a product and make this into a business!
If not, I'll be there to support the kid either way but since it's a message board I thought I'd share my two cents.
He has a great FUTURE with FUTURE being the operative word. ;)
Peace,
S. Ray
In spite of the writing, I'd say this is a great post. And I literally mean 'great'!
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I think that as a competitor, Phil should compete at the Olympia...its what shawn did...and its what Phil should do...he can make a lot of changes in 6-7 months.
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I think that as a competitor, Phil should compete at the Olympia...its what shawn did...and its what Phil should do...he can make a lot of changes in 6-7 months.
Phil is not and never will be shawn -EVER ... I stated this before. Shawn compared too anyone , any size , any shape and he had Flex , Kevin and Dorian and Lee and LEE L and Andre and Nasser - TOP notch competition and was always in the thick of things but he learned on stage and is passing this information to someone who has 50% of the "It " shawn had....
PHill should scoot over to Shawn for mentoring and not Jay Cutler - He needs too worry about XMAN and Victor and not be raising Heath!
You may not alwasy agree or like what he says - BUT HE IS 95% RIGHT AND THE OTHER 5% IS JUST TO MOTIVATE YOU !
TRUE STORY
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Phil is not and never will be shawn -EVER ... I stated this before. Shawn compared too anyone , any size , any shape and he had Flex , Kevin and Dorian and Lee and LEE L and Andre and Nasser - TOP notch competition and was always in the thick of things but he learned on stage and is passing this information to someone who has 50% of the "It " shawn had....
PHill should scoot over to Shawn for mentoring and not Jay Cutler - He needs too worry about XMAN and Victor and not be raising Heath!
You may not alwasy agree or like what he says - BUT HE IS 95% RIGHT AND THE OTHER 5% IS JUST TO MOTIVATE YOU !
TRUE STORY
Heath is getting mentored by Cutler??? What is Cutler going to teach him to do, keep at it; coming in runner up until you finally win the Mr. O because of basic default just to keep the seat warm for a true champion??? Nothing against Cutler he is Mr. O for a reason, but Heath has tons of more potential than Cutler ever did or does.....
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Heath is getting mentored by Cutler??? What is Cutler going to teach him to do, keep at it; coming in runner up until you finally win the Mr. O because of basic default just to keep the seat warm for a true champion??? Nothing against Cutler he is Mr. O for a reason, but Heath has tons of more potential than Cutler ever did or does.....
For once we agree ;)
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Nothing against Cutler he is Mr. O for a reason, but Heath has tons of more potential than Cutler ever did or does.....
Jay turned pro at age 23.
At age 25, Jay Cutler took 4th place at the 1999 ASC. He placed behind Nasser, Levrone, and Cormier.
At age 27, Jay won The NOC.
Since then he won the Pro Ironman, 3 Arnold Classic's, and The Mr Olympia.
I'd say that Jay had tremedous potential. I dont think that he made any horrible decisions during his career.
BUT.....
I do think that Shwan Ray did make some mistakes in his career by not competing more often. There were Arnold Classic titles that he could have won IMO.
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Unfortunately I competed because I wanted to win the Big One after I already won the Arnold.
That said, I was focused on the Business of Bodybuilding, which to this day is STILL the only Job I have ever held because I did not spend my time chasing Contest Titles but rather when it was time to compete I did it against the Best in the World at a time I felt I had ample preparation for and time to conduct Business which is WORLD Wide. Very hard to both but once you've tasted the Business End, you realize there is more Longevity to your health and career by strategically picking your shows not just going on the Paper Chase for Titles.
Phil again, is in a great place to be choosey and make money while waiting for the Muscle Maturity to catch up to his POTENTIAL, as the other Cats duke it out and finally in 3 yrs time will be gone including: Dexter 40, Jay(Retired), Freeman (43), Melvin(41) possibly Victor (36) and definitely Ronnie(90)!
Now do the math: Phil will be 30 with the playing field as his Oyster. ;D
I may be getting old but trust me I feel like a Wise Old Swammi here kid! 8)
Peace,
S. Ray
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I think that as a competitor, Phil should compete at the Olympia...its what shawn did...and its what Phil should do...he can make a lot of changes in 6-7 months.
No... he should wait. The arguement shawn brought to the table was business oriented... and he was completely dead on. From a physique sandpoint, what kind of improvements can he make in 6-7 months? Add more mass too quickly? It would ruin his physique if he tries to "improve" by adding enough mass to be competitive and earn a top 3 spot at the O... he is very young, and I am sure he is in no rush to put on the size needed to be competitive for a top 3 spot at the O. He should market himself, add size gradually, and take his time. That is exactly how Tony Freeman got to where he is now... he did not add size to quickly to be competitive at the O... he took his time and marketed himself wisely. That is why he is a success today.
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No... he should wait. The arguement shawn brought to the table was business oriented... and he was completely dead on. From a physique sandpoint, what kind of improvements can he make in 6-7 months? Add more mass too quickly? It would ruin his physique if he tries to "improve" by adding enough mass to be competitive and earn a top 3 spot at the O... he is very young, and I am sure he is in no rush to put on the size needed to be competitive for a top 3 spot at the O. He should market himself, add size gradually, and take his time. That is exactly how Tony Freeman got to where he is now... he did not add size to quickly to be competitive at the O... he took his time and marketed himself wisely. That is why he is a success today.
That is very true...How else do you think Freeman is pulling off all this success of late at his age.....Big Ron only has a few years on Tony and Ronnie is on his way out while Tony is on his way up...Strange how things work out like that.... ;D
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He's skipping the olympia because he just lost his first show and he got knocked down to reality...The gift was "gift wrapped"...
He wants everyone to think he is not doing the show so everyone on every board will talk about him and email him asking him to please do the olympia...Now After his third pro show he has qualified three times now...And he talking about not competing once again..
He should compete in the olympia this year just like he should have competed last year...In this "sport" anything can happen (health wise)...To blow off an olympia invite because you only want to compete when you think you have a chance in winning it all is bogus...Phil get over yourself and step up and hop on stage with the best of the best...Respect the guys you beat to get there and do the show that some of them would give their left nut to compete in...
Come back to reality and realise that you are not the best in the world(never was)...You won't win next year or the year after that...
..i agree..
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he should take ray's advice seriously,,ray likes that kid
infact there are many similarities between the 2,,i dont think heath can bring him self to perfection like ray did,,because ray physiqe was uniqe in the fact that everything developed together and was very proportional and symetrical which is why he is top 10 in bodybuilding history and its a shame that zane got 3 o and ray got none,,
never the less,, as we all know bodybuilding is not always whos the justified winner taking everything into consideration,,,it is more of individual best in specific time and place among other competitors of that same time period with the demands of that time period,, ray had a field of competitors out of this world,,,the strongest in bodybuilding history,,with physiqes that are rare to be found even today!
phil heath WILL most likley hold the title mr o eventually,,his field of competitors will be weaker and he got a lot of the ray thing going in him + couple more inches of height!,,he will never be jason cutler,,he will never have a huge prego gut,,his physiqe/genetics wont allow it,,you will see,,he is also a nice smart guy and far from show off and act and ifbb likes it,,he just need more time,,simply more time,,and ofcourse gotta stay healthy but thats up to god
judges will see past his genetic structural problems the moment he add little more size and muscle maturity
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damn a bunch of phil-lovers, this thread makes me sick, all the hype
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he should take ray's advice seriously,,ray likes that kid
infact there are many similarities between the 2,,i dont think heath can bring him self to perfection like ray did,,because ray physiqe was uniqe in the fact that everything developed together and was very proportional and symetrical which is why he is top 10 in bodybuilding history and its a shame that zane got 3 o and ray got none,,
never the less,, as we all know bodybuilding is not always whos the justified winner taking everything into consideration,,,it is more of individual best in specific time and place among other competitors of that same time period with the demands of that time period,, ray had a field of competitors out of this world,,,the strongest in bodybuilding history,,with physiqes that are rare to be found even today!
phil heath WILL most likley hold the title mr o eventually,,his field of competitors will be weaker and he got a lot of the ray thing going in him + couple more inches of height!,,he will never be jason cutler,,he will never have a huge prego gut,,his physiqe/genetics wont allow it,,you will see,,he is also a nice smart guy and far from show off and act and ifbb likes it,,he just need more time,,simply more time,,and ofcourse gotta stay healthy but thats up to god
judges will see past his genetic structural problems the moment he add little more size and muscle maturity
He'll never have the prego gut? Ok..People were saying that about Dexter...He is well on his way to that very thing...And in losing the arnold, what do you think he is going to do now that Victor has steam rolled him with next to zero gut...The Flex Wheelers and the Rays of the world want Phil to be Mr. Olympia one day for what I believe is a selfish reason....And that reason is they want to be compared to him...Wheeler knows that because of the narrowness of phil that Wheeler will always match up with him...Heath will probably never look as good as Wheeler...To bring his width way out(like he needs to) he will have to do what Wheeler did...And as far as Ray...Heath will never be in his league...Ray is as close to perfection as humanly possible...But guys like cutler-hates and Coleman make Ray look small..So he is never compared to these guys and get lost in the shuffle....But if Heath was ever to become mr. O like you say, then comparison's of Wheeler and Ray will be all over the boards....And everyone will say the same thing...Too bad Wheeler and Ray didn't compete in the same time period as Heath because they would blow him away...All just my opinion...Phil heath has a very good build but tell me something GH15...Just how is he ever going to add the width that he needs to compete against the likes of a Victor and company...Heath like Wheeler are heavy weights in a middle weight frame...Dexter also...Thats why he hasn't blow up...Heath should compete in the olympia this year for one simple reason...He will place in the top 8...And in doing so he will qualify for next year...That gives him a full year to do what he has to do...If he doesn't compete in the O this year, he will have to qualify next year...Heath took almost a full year before entering the Arnold and to me looks just about the same as last year...I didn't see really any improvements...Nothing that blow you away anyway...This guy should get some Olympia experience under his belt...Again who the hell knows in this game just how many times he could be back...(se/King Kamali-Tom Prince ect)..
GH15 --you state that you are a top 10 olympia comp/ My guess is you understand that you will never win the thing ...So Why do it? Why not just do all the small shows?
Phil do the Olympia...You have an awesome body...Show it to everyone up against the best in the world...
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you got a point there,, but i dont think ray has anything to gain by heath winning anything,,,it is simply business aspect and ray is older and wizer,,and most importantly been there!! getting an advice from him is as equal as getting advice from arnold or haney,,,it should be taken seriously simply because he knows this industry to the t
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Like I said in previous posts, I like to Monday Morning Quarterback but trust me when I say, I have nothing to gain.
Paying it Forward is better than taking it with me.
Phil is his own man, what he Sows he will Reap.
Either way, this is great fodder for Phil and others like him one day.
Peace,
S. Ray