Why would Phil heath skip the 2007 Mr Olympia?

[240 is Back]

Only rates the odds at 80 to 90% that he'll do the Olympia.

Would not confirm or deny he's skipping the show.

[monstermunch]

Epic spamming of phil heath topics in attempt to raise dvd sales

[240 is Back]

Epic spamming of phil heath topics in attempt to raise dvd sales

phil heath is our Levrone, man.  I'm like a little Earl1972.

[Shawn Ray]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

[swoody]

I just hope he doesn't try to add on size too quick and ruin his lines (mainly his midsection).  It would be a shame just to try to compete with the big guys too soon... really the only parts he needs to bring up from what I can tell is what Heath already knows... his back and quads.  He has naturally good calves, so they will continue to grow... I just hope he doesn't try to rush things.  Dexter Jackson had a great midsection and overall package at one point... he tried to rush things and now looks like he's expecting a kid to pop out any day now... just an example of a bodybuilder with a HELL of alot of talent ruining his physique because he decides to play the mass game and add size too quickly...

[AVBG]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

good advice S.R

[bigdumbbell]

shawn ray is right...what's the rush?

[Stavios]

Shawn nailed it !

Competing to place 7th to 10th is fucking useless. ( With my mentality, there wouldn't be a lot of guys competing at the O tho 

If I were Phil, I'd take the year off and start the 2008 season with winning the Ironman pro, giving himself huge momentum once again and than go on to win the ASC

seems like a great plan ! 

Oh and RJ should comeback at the montreal pro this year too 

[Forka]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

I have to admit, that's definitely some sound advice.  I don't know if you've have already commented on the final order of 2007 ASC, but if you haven't already, what's your take man?  Everyone seems to be addressing that Phil lacks clavicle width, do you agree?  And what about Dexter, do you think he should of retained his title?  I keep on hearing that Dex is unhappy about his current position within the IFBB, and many are already saying that he's no longer considered a serious threat to Jay or Ronnie.  I wonder, will Dexter be this generation's Shawn Ray?  That's not insult, because I think he should be more then happy if he continues to place within the top 5…or top 3 at any shows he chooses to compete in.   

[canadaphiliac]

If he does the Olympia this year, he's gonna pull a Richard Jones or Alex Federov.

[ThaRealist]

I agree with Shawn that Heath should wait to make a showing at the Olympia...Wait for the human block and the old man to lose before he gives it a real go....He already improved alot from last year...Now just imagine him in another 2 years...Winning the Arnold by next year and 3 other higher paying shows a year, plus guest posing and multiple sponsorships he will easily pull in the money if he plays his cards right and then take the Olympia right before he turns 30 years old....*Hey Shawn I wanted to ask ya if alot of top tier pro's have agents or managers for their careers?

[ThaRealist]

If he does the Olympia this year, he's gonna pull a Richard Jones or Alex Federov.

Richard Jones made a great choice to finish up his education and Alex Federov never really had a good showing at a big show plus he had multiple injuries...

[AVBG]

I agree with Shawn that Heath should wait to make a showing at the Olympia...Wait for the human block and the old man to lose before he gives it a real go....He already improved alot from last year...Now just imagine him in another 2 years...Winning the Arnold by next year and 3 other higher paying shows a year, plus guest posing and multiple sponsorships he will easily pull in the money if he plays his cards right and then take the Olympia right before he turns 30 years old....*Hey Shawn I wanted to ask ya if alot of top tier pro's have agents or managers for their careers?

If I were Phil, I'd let Ronnie and Jay sort out their business then focus on it for the next year, whilst improving & making $..

[Big Lee]

Shawn, my respect for you has doubled.  You nailed it.  His condition was off and he can only go down if he rushes it, get out there and make a name around the world and enjoy it a bit. Leave this year for the last of the mass monsters.

[gordiano]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

Good "advices"....

[SWOLETRAIN]

what shawn said

[svtmuscle]

Shawn made a really good point....But what about all the other pro's who compete in the Olympia, like Ruhl, Haley, Henry, Mohammad, etc etc who realistically have no shot of winning, but will still enter... dosn't it have alot to do with satisfying sponsorship contracts also?

[Wombat]

He's skipping the olympia because he just lost his first show and he got knocked down to reality...The gift was "gift wrapped"...

He wants everyone to think he is not doing the show so everyone on every board will talk about him and email him asking him to please do the olympia...Now After his third pro show he has qualified three times now...And he talking about not competing once again..

He should compete in the olympia this year just like he should have competed last year...In this "sport" anything can happen (health wise)...To blow off an olympia invite because you only want to compete when you think you have a chance in winning it all is bogus...Phil get over yourself and step up and hop on stage with the best of the best...Respect the guys you beat to get there and do the show that some of them would give their left nut to compete in...

Come back to reality and realise that you are not the best in the world(never was)...You won't win next year or the year after that...

[Iceman1981]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

Shawn knows his stuff.

[HUGEPECS]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

and this is coming from the one and Only, shawn ray. That's great advice, shawn. By the way, was that a ROLEX you had on your wrist at the Expo ?

[Shawn Ray]

I like Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Stevie Wonder could see that the Olympia would not put another Feather in Phil's Cap by doing the show.
Like Bob Cick said, "Some people are planning their trip to the O to see you so make up your mind."
Personally, I never competed in the Mr. O based on the fans attendance or travel plans.
When you compete to win, do it in a manner where there is a glimmer of hope that you legitamately have a chance, expirience taught me that my Rookie year when I placed 13th because I felt I had some sort of obligation simply because I was qualified.
This is a new day and we are talking about Phil.
No, I never had a "Manager" some guys I have heard have but nonetheless, if you have someone you can listen to as a Pro by all means it would be smart to heed some Advises.
Phil does the O, he gains nothing.
Phil skips the O, his mystique continues to grow as will his muscles and maturity! Which by the way, is what he was sorely missing at the ASC and only comes with time.
The reality is, if he does the show, he will miss the top 6 or eek his way into it but we will all be talking about the Top 2 or 3 guys and the fan fare will wane on the others rather quickly and dude will either be back on a diet 1 or 2 months later for the ASC or take a year off but still have to Requalify at the Colorado Pro Am early summer of 08 in his home state!  
I personally would advise him to let them WAIT(The Fans)!
He grows, his gets busy, promotes himself, matures, guest poses, does seminars, markets himself as a product and make this into a business!
If not, I'll be there to support the kid either way but since it's a message board I thought I'd share my two cents.
He has a great FUTURE with FUTURE being the operative word.
Peace,
S. Ray

[Shawn Ray]

It was a Custom Made Breitling

[the shadow]

If I were Phil, I'd wait.
He has time on his side and would be sitting pretty with more improvements by waiting.
At his age, he has more options than most.
I personally would be starting my WORLD Tour now, visiting and posing in as many countries and states as possible until the Olympia Cashing in on the Business of Bodybuilding. Then come back to the ASC and do it again.
Keep them waiting and wanting, the Olympia Line up will leave Phil where he is right now.
7-10th when you add Ronnie & Jay back in the mix.
You gain nothing by placing there and sacrificing the chance to Cash In on the tour he could set up while mapping out an Off Season training plan.
Otherwise, he'll be back on the Contest Diet and training by June which means little to no improvement when he could be growing and improving while building his name and future.
My two cents which counts for nothing but come Late Sept we can revisit this post
You looked great by the way Phil but remember this is a business.
Peace,
S. Ray

awesome post shawn...just spoken like a real veteran

[kiwiol]

I like Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Stevie Wonder could see that the Olympia would not put another Feather in Phil's Cap by doing the show.
Like Bob Cick said, "Some people are planning their trip to the O to see you so make up your mind."
Personally, I never competed in the Mr. O based on the fans attendance or travel plans.
When you compete to win, do it in a manner where there is a glimmer of hope that you legitamately have a chance, expirience taught me that my Rookie year when I placed 13th because I felt I had some sort of obligation simply because I was qualified.
This is a new day and we are talking about Phil.
No, I never had a "Manager" some guys I have heard have but nonetheless, if you have someone you can listen to as a Pro by all means it would be smart to heed some Advises.
Phil does the O, he gains nothing.
Phil skips the O, his mystique continues to grow as will his muscles and maturity! Which by the way, is what he was sorely missing at the ASC and only comes with time.
The reality is, if he does the show, he will miss the top 6 or eek his way into it but we will all be talking about the Top 2 or 3 guys and the fan fare will wane on the others rather quickly and dude will either be back on a diet 1 or 2 months later for the ASC or take a year off but still have to Requalify at the Colorado Pro Am early summer of 08 in his home state! 
I personally would advise him to let them WAIT(The Fans)!
He grows, his gets busy, promotes himself, matures, guest poses, does seminars, markets himself as a product and make this into a business!
If not, I'll be there to support the kid either way but since it's a message board I thought I'd share my two cents.
He has a great FUTURE with FUTURE being the operative word.
Peace,
S. Ray

In spite of the writing, I'd say this is a great post. And I literally mean 'great'!

[Royalty]

I think that as a competitor, Phil should compete at the Olympia...its what shawn did...and its what Phil should do...he can make a lot of changes in 6-7 months.