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Omnipotent (All powerful)
Job 42:2 "I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose [of] [Yours] can be withheld from You."
Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth [are] reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven And [among] the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand.
Omnipresent (Is everywhere at the same time)
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord [are] in every place, Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
Jeremiah 23:23 "[Am] I a God near at hand," says the Lord, "And not a God afar off? 24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places, So I shall not see him?" says the Lord; "Do I not fill heaven and earth?" says the Lord.
Omniscient (knows everything)
Job 11:7 "Can you search out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limits of the Almighty? 8 [They] [are] higher than heaven--what can you do? Deeper than Sheol--what can you know? 9 Their measure [is] longer than the earth And broader than the sea. 10 "If He passes by, imprisons, and gathers [to] [judgment], Then who can hinder Him? 11 For He knows deceitful men; He sees wickedness also.
Job 37:16 Do you know how the clouds are balanced, Those wondrous works of Him who is perfect in knowledge?
Psalms 147:5 Great [is] our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding [is] infinite.
Isaiah 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable.
1 John 3:20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
Romans 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable [are] His judgments and His ways past finding out!
God is love
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life (resurrection).
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son [to] [be] the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
God is kind, merciful and slow to anger
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it] [is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Romans 8:32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?
Psalms 86:5 For You, Lord, [are] good, and ready to forgive, And abundant in mercy to all those who call upon You.
Psalms 86:15 But You, O Lord, [are] a God full of compassion, and gracious, Longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth.
Romans 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Psalms 103:8 The Lord [is] merciful and gracious, Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy. 9 He will not always strive [with] [us], Nor will He keep [His] [anger] forever.
Nahum 1:3 The Lord [is] slow to anger and great in power, And will not at all acquit [the] [wicked].
God is holy
Leviticus 19:2 "Speak to all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say to them: `You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God [am] holy.
Psalms 47:8 God reigns over the nations; God sits on His holy throne.
Psalms 78:41 Yes, again and again they tempted God, And limited the Holy One of Israel.
Psalms 99:5 Exalt the Lord our God, And worship at His footstool-- He [is] holy.
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.
God is righteous and just
Psalms 116:5 Gracious [is] the Lord, and righteous; Yes, our God [is] merciful.
Ezra 9:15 "O Lord God of Israel, You [are] righteous, for we are left as a remnant, as [it] [is] this day. Here we [are] before You, in our guilt, though no one can stand before You because of this!"
Psalms 145:17 The Lord [is] righteous in all His ways, Gracious in all His works. 18 The Lord [is] near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hebrews 6:10 For God [is] not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, [in] [that] you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
2 Timothy 4:8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
God is eternal. God does not grow old. God does not change His attributes
Habakkuk 1:12 Are You not from everlasting, O Lord my God, my Holy One? We shall not die.
Malachi 3:6 "For I [am] the Lord, I do not change.
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Being omnipotent, he already knows who is going to be saved and who is not. And according to the Bible it is a finite number of persons. It's like last nights lottery. What are your chances of being chosen? Even if you did all the right things.
Save your money and do what you are supposed to do..........pass on your genes.
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Being omnipotent, he already knows who is going to be saved and who is not. And according to the Bible it is a finite number of persons. It's like last nights lottery. What are your chances of being chosen? Even if you did all the right things.
Save your money and do what you are supposed to do..........pass on your genes.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 1:16
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
2 Corinthians 6:2
For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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as much as the muslims and the christians seem at odds on here...most of the time when people post stuff thats in the bible..it sounds very much like the koran..
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as much as the muslims and the christians seem at odds on here...most of the time when people post stuff thats in the bible..it sounds very much like the koran..
They are very similar, except for two very important points:
1. The Koran denies the Trinity, denies that Jesus is GOD the Son. According to the Koran, Allah has no son and Jesus was just a good prophet.
2. The Koran denies that Jesus died for our sins and rose again. According to the Koran, Jesus never died and was taken alive to Heaven.
These two are what Christianity is all about. Without them, Christianity falls apart.
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They are very similar, except for two very important points:
1. The Koran denies the Trinity, denies that Jesus is GOD the Son.
2. The Koran denies that Jesus died for our sins.
These two are what Christianity is all about. Without them, Christianity falls appart.
yeah the koran says jesus ws not the son of god..wait ws he son of god or god himself? <in all honesty that bothers me..which is it? >
it just says god is ..well it describes god as you have above..and says jesus ws just another prophet..like mohammed.actually technically mohammed isn't supposed to be given any more respect than jesus..
i wish muslims would follow their own damn preachings..they consider chistians " alhlel kitab" ..people of the book..yet soo much fucking hate....sad..religions found under the same god cant get along peacefully..
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i wish muslims would follow their own damn preachings..they consider chistians " alhlel kitab" ..people of the book..yet soo much fucking hate....sad..religions found under the same god cant get along peacefully..
Christians shouldn't hate anyone either, but I know it happens. I do not condone hate toward anyone.
John 13:34-35
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"
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Christians shouldn't hate anyone, but I know it happens. I do not condone hate toward anyone.
John 13:34-35
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"
growing up i ws told stories how a hindu woman used to throw her trash onto mohammed every friday when he passed under her house on his way to the mosque..
one friday she didn't...soo he check up on her and found her sick..soo he stayed with her and nursed her back to health...
..yanno..your basic do good stuff....now these girls wana blow shit up in the name of mohammed..its sad i tell ya...and the whole 70 virgins fiasco...i mean r ya kidding me? how did i miss that when i read the koran yrs ago....its not there..thats why..
as i said..the non extremist version of islam is actually quite a happy religion..and i'd def lean towards it ..if only i believed in god..which i dont..
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growing up i ws told stories how a hindu woman used to throw her trash onto mohammed every friday when he passed under her house on his way to the mosque..
one friday she didn't...soo he check up on her and found her sick..soo he stayed with her and nursed her back to health...
Cool story! 8)
That's how Christians are supposed to spread Christianity, through kindness and by showing love toward our enemies.
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Cool story! 8)
thats just 1 example..how what i ws taught and how it shocks me when i hear other muslims speaking like..well..morons..yeah i did grow up sheltered so maybe i ws kept from some of the ugliness..
for example..under muslim law jews and chistians and muslims r supposed to live peacefully together..
now some people bring up a tax non muslims have to pay to the muslim state...in reality the tax is a substitute for zakat..which is a portion of ones salary one MUST give to the poor..yanno there r many many examples where the truth gets distorted..
now in all honesty i disagree with the tax...me thinks you should be allowed to choose..
wait lemme post up a link nord of all people posted about sharia law..he kinda pwned himself..cause he meant for the post to be negative....i'm gonna look for it
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
now ..i disagree with a lot there..but for example..if ya look at the dress codes..there r one for MEN ALSO...except in soieties..men conveniently dont follow..
btw..this discussion i know really has no direction..but my class is doing a lab and i'm bored..
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A great book to quote, but still written by men. Stories are what kept people entertained and gave them hope. One day when science actually proves that all religion is a hoax, albeit a good money maker for the smart ones, the whole world will go nuts.
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Is God vengeful?
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Is he jealous?
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Is God vengeful?
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Yes
Is he jealous?
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Yes
Your point? ;D
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how can he be pure love and be vengeful, or better yet have needs and be all-powerful and perfect?
it doesnt make sense, therefore i dont buy it. simple as that. i like religion, i like what it can do for humanity and its true teachings i just think alot of the book is based on power structures in society.
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Yes
Yes
Your point? ;D
all i know is that i better not make a golden calf otherwise he may order my kids to be killed.
Also read the post above.
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Being omnipotent, he already knows who is going to be saved and who is not. And according to the Bible it is a finite number of persons. It's like last nights lottery. What are your chances of being chosen? Even if you did all the right things.
Save your money and do what you are supposed to do..........pass on your genes.
So what if God does know who will be saved and who will deny Him? God is above all of His creation, including the very concept of time but that does not mean that us in our present canot make a choice. We still have to either deny God or accept Him. I pray you will do the latter and repent of your sins. Save my money? What money? We are supposed to worship God and keep His commandments...that is the all of man and what we were created for.
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Is God vengeful?
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NO. I'm sorry that I wrote Yes above. I searched the entire Bible and found not one place where it says that God is vengeful. So He is not.
Psalm 103:8
The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love.
how can he be pure love and be vengeful?
Because God is love and because God is just, He does take vengeance on those who commit crimes against humanity and oppress the defenceless and the innocent, if the authorities here on earth will do nothing to help them...for example: The Holocaust.
Isaiah 34:8
For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion's cause.
Isaiah 35:4
say to those with fearful hearts, "Be strong, do not fear; your God will come, he will come with vengeance; with divine retribution he will come to save you."
God does not want us to be vengeful. He does not want us to take revenge. That is God's job only.
Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.
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how can he be pure love and be vengeful, or better yet have needs and be all-powerful and perfect?
I missed the part where God has needs. God has wants, but He doesn't have needs. When God asks for something from us, it is not because He needs it. It is for our own benefit. God does not need anything from us. We need God.
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all i know is that i better not make a golden calf otherwise he may order my kids to be killed.
Also read the post above.
OzmO,
you keep bringing up that golden calf story to make a point that God is vengeful or hateful. I'm confused. Have you read the whole story lately? It is a testament of God's love and mercy.
God had just performed many wonders and miracles in front of Israel's eyes. God fed them and protected them. God gave them their freedom from Egypt. What did Israel do in return? Build a golden calf and worship it. Yes, God got angry with good reason. God was about to wipe out Israel entirely except for Moses. Yet, in His anger, God had mercy on them and decided not to destroy them. Yes, those responsible for the golden calf, those who worshiped the golden calf were sentenced to death, with good reason.
God is love, He is just, He is merciful and slow to anger.
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Is he jealous?
;)
Exodus 20:4-5
"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God"
It is a sin when we are jealous of someone because he/she has something that we do not have. It is a different use of the word jealous when God says He is jealous. What He is jealous for belongs to Him; worship and service belong to Him alone, and are to be given to Him alone.
If you are married and found your wife french kissing another man, you have the right to be jealous, since that type of affection from your wife belongs to you alone. This type of jealousy is not sinful. Rather, it is entirely appropriate. Being jealous for something that belongs to you is good and appropriate. Jealousy is a sin when it is a desire for something that does not belong to you.
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OzmO,
you keep bringing up that golden calf story to make a point that God is vengeful or hateful. I'm confused. Have you read the whole story lately? It is a testament of God's love and mercy.
God had just performed many wonders and miracles in front of Israel's eyes. God fed them and protected them. God gave them their freedom from Egypt. What did Israel do in return? Build a golden calf and worship it. Yes, God got angry with good reason. God was about to wipe out Israel entirely except for Moses. Yet, in His anger, God had mercy on them and decided not to destroy them. Yes, those responsible for the golden calf, those who worshiped the golden calf were sentenced to death, with good reason.
God is love, He is just, He is merciful and slow to anger.
he killed 3000 men ! for what? being insecure? Isn't patience a virtue or is this "GOD" a hypocrite?
Is the message here, be careful if GOD does things for you and you get insecure because he'll kill you
Was he so mad that he had do all this work and they didn't appreciate it?
some mercy! i could understand if those people all became murderers, including the children. but com on!
This "GOD" who is also jealous seems more like a human being to me.
That is not the GOD i know.
The GOD i know wouldn't have sunk to the level of man and enacted vengeance because of a lack of submission to his authority.
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he killed 3000 men ! for what? being insecure?
Being insecure? Where do you get that from? So if you find your wife sleeping with another man, your jealousy equates to insecurity? I don't think so. Your jealousy in that case would be good and appropriate. God is not insecure. That's ridiculous.
Isn't patience a virtue or is this "GOD" a hypocrite?
God is patient, mercyful and slow to anger, but I would watch what I say about God if I were you. May God forgive you for your insults to HIM. He is to be respected, revered and feared.
Is the message here, be careful if GOD does things for you and you get insecure because he'll kill you
No, that is not the message at all.
Was he so mad that he had do all this work and they didn't appreciate it?
some mercy! i could understand if those people all became murderers, including the children. but com on!
You talk as if God didn't warn them. God said do not build an idol and do not worship it or you will be sentenced to death? What did they do? The opposite. What is God to do? Let them go just like that? Then God would not be taken seriously. Then God would not be just.
This "GOD" who is also jealous seems more like a human being to me.
God is jealous only about what's His. Humans get jealous, most of the time, about things others have that we do not have, things that do not belong to us.
That is not the GOD i know.
The GOD i know wouldn't have sunk to the level of man and enacted vengeance because of a lack of submission to his authority.
And how do you know this god of yours? Where do you get his attributes from? Your god tolerates sin, crimes against humanity? Your god allows sin to go unpunished? Your god is unjust and spoils you rotten?
I love the one true God, the God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and all of His attributes. I have absolutely no problems with what He has done through History. I have absolutely no problems with God being jealous of what belongs to Him. I have no problems with God being a just God who punishes sin. He is good, holy and perfect. It's a shame you can't see that!
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Being insecure? Where do you get that from? So if you find your wife sleeping with another man, your jealousy equates to insecurity? I don't think so. Your jealousy in that case would be good and appropriate. God is not insecure. That's ridiculous.
God is patient, mercyful and slow to anger, but I would watch what I say about God if I were you. May God forgive you for your insults to HIM. He is to be respected, revered and feared.
No, that is not the message at all.
You talk as if God didn't warn them. God said do not build an idol and do not worship it or you will be sentenced to death? What did they do? The opposite. What is God to do? Let them go just like that? Then God would not be taken seriously. Then God would not be just.
God is jealous only about what's His. Humans get jealous, most of the time, about things others have that we do not have, things that do not belong to us.
And how do you know this god of yours? Where do you get his attributes from? Your god tolerates sin, crimes against humanity? Your god allows sin to go unpunished? Your god is unjust and spoils you rotten?
I love the one true God, the God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and all of His attributes. I have absolutely no problems with what He has done through History. I have absolutely no problems with God being jealous of what belongs to Him. I have no problems with God being a just God who punishes sin. He is good, holy and perfect. It's a shame you can't see that!
im sorry loco but everything your saying sounds like a man not a GOD. jealous? vengeful? has wants? the god your describing sounds like a human. and GOD is not a human, the bible is doing a good job at humanizing god.
im sorry but PURE LOVE doesnt condem or even judge if he is pure love. everything your saying is contradictory. how can pure love have anger? a negative emotion. and how can god even be emotional? that is a human aspect. there are many more things but i will stop there.
you'd have to throw reason out the door to beleive the above.
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Being insecure? Where do you get that from? So if you find your wife sleeping with another man, your jealousy equates to insecurity? I don't think so. Your jealousy in that case would be good and appropriate. God is not insecure. That's ridiculous.
No, what i was saying was those people he killed were being insecure.
God is patient, mercyful and slow to anger, but I would watch what I say about God if I were you. May God forgive you for your insults to HIM. He is to be respected, revered and feared.
So you can't answer can you? You can't explain this hypocritical behavior? You just say i'm insulting GOD?
See that's the difference here loco, with all due respect to you, and i mean it, I don't know GOD from the words in the Bible, i know GOD from my heart and my relationship with him and my soul. Not solely from some book.
And because i fear him....i'm supposed to not question and be obedient? Control through fear? com on dude.
You talk as if God didn't warn them. God said do not build an idol and do not worship it or you will be sentenced to death? What did they do? The opposite. What is God to do? Let them go just like that? Then God would not be taken seriously. Then God would not be just.
Yeah, GOD is setting a great example there isn't he? kind of contradicts Jesus's teaching doesn't it?
DO AS I SAY OR I WILL KILL YOU. WORSHIP ME OR I WILL KILL YOU. yeah great stuff. I'm going to apply that to regular life because this is the example GOD has set for me, so when you read in the paper next week about some BIBLE THUMPING SELF RIGHTEOUS religious zealot who killed 3 people in a subway because they wouldn't accept Jesus as their savior you'll know who it is and you'll i'll have a place in heaven!
God is jealous only about what's His. Humans get jealous, most of the time, about things others have that we do not have, things that do not belong to us.
OH, so we are justified in killing anyone who is not Christian? I'm buying a machine gun right now and killing anyone not in church this Sunday! GOD has set the example for me to follow. FEAR HIM!
And how do you know this god of yours? Where do you get his attributes from? Your god tolerates sin, crimes against humanity? Your god allows sin to go unpunished? Your god is unjust and spoils you rotten?
GOD allows sins to go unpunished all the time dude, what world do you live in? you atone for your sins when you die.
I love the one true God, the God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and all of His attributes. I have absolutely no problems with what He has done through History. I have absolutely no problems with God being jealous of what belongs to Him. I have no problems with God being a just God who punishes sin. He is good, holy and perfect. It's a shame you can't see that!
Yeah i can't see that, the blood of 3000 people who didn't do what god said to do is blocking my vision and i'm confused. I'm getting my gun and killing some sinners. ::)
the righteous shall inherit the earth.......FEAR GOD!
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im sorry loco but everything your saying sounds like a man not a GOD. jealous? vengeful? has wants? the god your describing sounds like a human. and GOD is not a human, the bible is doing a good job at humanizing god.
im sorry but PURE LOVE doesnt condem or even judge if he is pure love. everything your saying is contradictory. how can pure love have anger? a negative emotion. and how can god even be emotional? that is a human aspect. there are many more things but i will stop there.
you'd have to throw reason out the door to beleive the above.
It's okay. ;D
See, that is exactly what I'm trying to show with this thread, that God, though not a human, is a very personable God. It's not that we are making him like us. God made us like Him:
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness"
Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."
You are correct. God is not a human, but He is a person. God is spirit, and He does have emotions. Why is that bad? Are you saying that God should not have emotions or are you saying that He should, but just not negative emotions? I just explained that jealousy in itself is not a negative emotion. Anger in itself is not a negative emotion either. Why you get jealous and why you get angry, and what you do with your jealousy and what you do with your anger is what makes the difference.
I honestly don't see the contradiction. Can you not have a loving judge? Is tolerance of crime a virtue? Oh, and God is not vengeful.
I guess you are as confused about what I see as I am confused about what you see. I really don't see the contradiction or the problem. Do you have kids? Do you love them? Do you not correct and punish them? Do you spoil them rotten and let them do as they please, and give them every single thing they want?
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god cant be perfect and jealous. that indicates that he is missing something, somehting to be jealous of. a want or need .
again this is illogical. the bible is wrong.
god will not punish you, he cant, hes pure love remember. how can pure love do something negative? he cant, that is unless that isnt god.
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i would also agree with OZMO. i know god through reason, soul and logic. he gave me those things to use(not really). GOD can be found within and without. theres alot more bullshit to plough through without though.
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Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness"
I've always found that contradicting to the one GOD mantra preached through out the BIBLE.
shouldn't he have said:
I will make man in my image in my likeness.
In that sentence he suggests he had help in making man.....So angels have the power to create? A power only GOd is supposed to have?
So then Satan can create men too?
hmmmmmmm
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No, what i was saying was those people he killed were being insecure.
So you can't answer can you? You can't explain this hypocritical behavior? You just say i'm insulting GOD?
See that's the difference here loco, with all due respect to you, and i mean it, I don't know GOD from the words in the Bible, i know GOD from my heart and my relationship with him and my soul. Not solely from some book.
And because i fear him....i'm supposed to not question and be obedient? Control through fear? com on dude.
Yeah, GOD is setting a great example there isn't he? kind of contradicts Jesus's teaching doesn't it?
DO AS I SAY OR I WILL KILL YOU. WORSHIP ME OR I WILL KILL YOU. yeah great stuff. I'm going to apply that to regular life because this is the example GOD has set for me, so when you read in the paper next week about some BIBLE THUMPING SELF RIGHTEOUS religious zealot who killed 3 people in a subway because they wouldn't accept Jesus as their savior you'll know who it is and you'll i'll have a place in heaven!
OH, so we are justified in killing anyone who is not Christian? I'm buying a machine gun right now and killing anyone not in church this Sunday! GOD has set the example for me to follow. FEAR HIM!
GOD allows sins to go unpunished all the time dude, what world do you live in? you atone for your sins when you die.
Yeah i can't see that, the blood of 3000 people who didn't do what god said to do is blocking my vision and i'm confused. I'm getting my gun and killing some sinners. ::)
the righteous shall inherit the earth.......FEAR GOD!
Ozmo,
I respect your beliefs. If I ask you questions about your beliefs is because I am really trying to understand, not to mock you or anything like that.
It does not make me angry that you insult my God. I was saying that for your own good. He loves you and protects you even if you don't believe in Him, and God is worthy of your respect and reverence.
You do not have to exaggerate to make your point. "KILL ALL NON-CHRISTIANS"? Come on, you know Christianity is not a religion of violence. I'll prove it to you. See how Christianity is attacked and mocked daily in the media, and even on this board. We Christians just sit here and take it, without retaliating, without threatening, without "KILLING". You can't do that with certain other religions, can you? Insulting and mocking certain other religions equates to putting a bounty on your own head.
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I've always found that contradicting to the one GOD mantra preached through out the BIBLE.
shouldn't he have said:
I will make man in my image in my likeness.
In that sentence he suggests he had help in making man.....So angels have the power to create? A power only GOd is supposed to have?
So then Satan can create men too?
hmmmmmmm
God is one in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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Ozmo,
I respect your beliefs. If I ask you questions about your beliefs is because I am really trying to understand, not to mock you or anything like that.
It does not make me angry that you insult my God. I was saying that for your own good. He loves you and protects you even if you don't believe in Him, and God is worthy of your respect and reverence.
You do not have to exaggerate to make your point. "KILL ALL NON-CHRISTIANS"? Come on, you know Christianity is not a religion of violence. I'll prove it to you. See how Christianity is attacked and mocked daily in the media, and even on this board. We Christians just sit here and take it, without retaliating, without threatening, without "KILLING". You can't do that with certain other religions, can you? Insulting and mocking certain other religions equates to putting a bounty on your own head.
I'm not mocking them, i'm only pointing out that condemning others based on your religion is wrong.
Plus you haven't addressed the points, i made about fear based control and killing people. In today's age, moses would be up for war crimes.
Loco, i have the up most respect for your commitment to your faith. I was just drama-tizing my points.
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I'm not mocking them, i'm only pointing out that condemning others based on your religion is wrong.
Plus you haven't addressed the points, i made about fear based control and killing people. In today's age, moses would be up for war crimes.
Loco, i have the up most respect for your commitment to your faith. I was just drama-tizing my points.
Thanks Ozmo! I wasn't sure if you were angry and I wanted you to calm down before addressing your points.
Plus you haven't addressed the points, i made about fear based control and killing people. In today's age, moses would be up for war crimes.
Perhaps you are correct. And this takes us to the subject of "Dispensations", something I will explain in a new thread, but not today. That will address your points.
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god cant be perfect and jealous. that indicates that he is missing something, somehting to be jealous of. a want or need .
God is jealous only of what is His, worship, praise and service. Look at the alternative of those times. Other religions of the time said their gods required human sacrifice, orgies, etc. They feared the rain, they feared the sun, the moon, etc. God wanted to pull humanity out of that. God is not missing anything, and God needs nothing.
He doesn't even need our worship and praise. We owe it to Him and it is for our own benefit. We will always worship or praise something or someone, movie stars, pro athletes, famous scientists, millionaires, etc. As we worship and praise these people, in the back of our heads we want to be in their shoes, we want to be them, we want to become more like them.
The more we worship, praise and serve God, the more we become like Him, just, loving, slow to anger, etc. God needs nothing from us. We need God
again this is illogical. the bible is wrong.
I know you believe that the Bible is wrong, but I believe that it is right and that it is the word of God.
god will not punish you, he cant, hes pure love remember. how can pure love do something negative? he cant, that is unless that isnt god.
Why not? I don't have a problem with that.
Hebrews 12:6
"because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son"