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The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, underreporting for three years how often it forced businesses to turn over customer data, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_security_letters
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quick, neotaints, spring into action and defend this!
Tell us why breaking the law is a good thing!
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I hate to use the same shock and indignation that I used when I found out that Gingrich was a lying hypocritical blowhard, but.
Shocking. I'm just shocked to find out that the FBI illegally used the Patriot Act. This is truly shocking.
BTW 240, neotaints is rather funny. Did you coin it or did you read it somewhere else?
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Neotaint is all mine. We have a few here, and they are very useful as a contrast to common sense.
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Neotaint is all mine. We have a few here, and they are very useful as a contrast to common sense.
Here, let me.
"Patriot act is for this country, it's patriotic"
"your not american if you don't support the patriot act"
"FBI is using it to find terrorists, we are at war"
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Here, let me.
"Patriot act is for this country, it's patriotic"
"your not american if you don't support the patriot act"
"FBI is using it to find terrorists, we are at war"
And if they are breaking the law in the process it is not good.
Means do not justify the ends when it comes to our rights as citizens.
they will have to find another way or change the law
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Neotaint is all mine. We have a few here, and they are very useful as a contrast to common sense.
Nice job coining the term. Mind if I use it?
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Here, let me.
"Patriot act is for this country, it's patriotic"
"your not american if you don't support the patriot act"
"FBI is using it to find terrorists, we are at war"
"If you're not guilty, what do you have to hide?"
Which is always followed in short order by...
"Show me your papers!"
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Neotaint is all mine. We have a few here, and they are very useful as a contrast to common sense.
Everyone knows what a "taint" is right?
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Everyone knows what a "taint" is right?
taint the front, and taint the back.
By all means, share the love and use the word whenever applicable.
To me, there is nothing more un-American than a group of people who will condone crime, when their party does it. They will deny any faults of their own party. They will call anything different from their (minority) party belief as un-American.
The only solace comes from the fact that deep down, they question it. They know Bush is lying, they're not stupid. They know pre-emptive war in Iraq was made on "iffy" grounds. They are a religious group, suddenly realizing their far-right party faction contradicts the good that religions teach.
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taint the front, and taint the back.
By all means, share the love and use the word whenever applicable.
To me, there is nothing more un-American than a group of people who will condone crime, when their party does it. They will deny any faults of their own party. They will call anything different from their (minority) party belief as un-American.
The only solace comes from the fact that deep down, they question it. They know Bush is lying, they're not stupid. They know pre-emptive war in Iraq was made on "iffy" grounds. They are a religious group, suddenly realizing their far-right party faction contradicts the good that religions teach.
Well said.
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You mean the FBI did it's own audit and blew the whistle on itself? And they're trying to clean up their own mess? Get out. This is terrible news.
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You mean the FBI did it's own audit and blew the whistle on itself? And they're trying to clean up their own mess? Get out. This is terrible news.
::)
Do you really think they would admit something they did wrong unless they absolutely had to? ::)
Yes, it's so very prudent to admit your mistake and publicly embarrass yourself intentionally.
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Do you really think they would admit something they did wrong unless they absolutely had to? ::)
What difference does that make? The fact is they did an internal audit and blew the whistle on their own operation. This is a good thing. Whomever broke the law needs to be held accountable and they need to fix whatever problems the audit uncovered.
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You mean the FBI did it's own audit and blew the whistle on itself?
I know it was a moderately lengthy sentence - and as such probably overtaxed your attention span - but try reading it again. ::)
It was a Justice Department audit - not an FBI audit. Since the bureaucratic distinction between the two seems to have eluded you, let me put in simpler terms...
It's like a parent reviewing their college kid's credit card statement and finding that they broke the rules on what they were allowed to charge. This is not the same thing as the college kid "blowing the whistle on himself".
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What difference does that make? The fact is they did an internal audit and blew the whistle on their own operation. This is a good thing. Whomever broke the law needs to be held accountable and they need to fix whatever problems the audit uncovered.
:) Exactly.
It makes a big difference..... no one intentionally creates an embarrassing situation in politics without an underlying reason.
Don't confuse that with what people do. People do stuff like this all the time because of a guilt complex or whatever.
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I know it was a moderately lengthy sentence - and as such probably overtaxed your attention span - but try reading it again. ::)
It was a Justice Department audit - not an FBI audit. Since the bureaucratic distinction between the two seems to have eluded you, let me put in simpler terms...
It's like a parent reviewing their college kid's credit card statement and finding that they broke the rules on what they were allowed to charge. This is not the same thing as the college kid "blowing the whistle on himself".
You're right. My bad. It was the Justice Department IG, not the FBI.
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:) Exactly.
It makes a big difference..... no one intentionally creates an embarrassing situation in politics without an underlying reason.
Don't confuse that with what people do. People do stuff like this all the time because of a guilt complex or whatever.
The fact they uncovered wrongdoing is a good thing. The fact they're going to fix the problems is even better. But I don't believe the sky is falling.
I'm not surprised liberals are frothing at the mouth over this.
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No,
Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing, but this kind of thing is what worries me when it comes to the need for a stronger security due to the terrorist threat. Mis-uses of the law can lead to bad things even though it's for the right reasons.
I don;t think libs are or will be frothing at the mouth over this. But it does showcase some of their concerns
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No,
Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing, but this kind of thing is what worries me when it comes to the need for a stronger security due to the terrorist threat. Mis-uses of the law leads can to bad things even though it's for the right reasons.
I don;t think libs are or will be frothing at the mouth over this. But it does showcase some of their concerns
I agree we have to keep a close watch over the enormous power we have given to the government. I think we have plenty of safeguards in place: various agencies (like the IG), Congress, the courts, the media, various private watchdog groups, the public. Abuses will happen. Anytime you give people power they eventually abuse it to some degree in one form or another. I don't think we can completely prevent abuses. But what I don't want to see is paranoia handcuff law enforcement and hamper their ability to fight not only local crime but the war on terror.
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I agree we have to keep a close watch over the enormous power we have given to the government. I think we have plenty of safeguards in place: various agencies (like the IG), Congress, the courts, the media, various private watchdog groups, the public. Abuses will happen. Anytime you give people power they eventually abuse it to some degree in one form or another. I don't think we can completely prevent abuses. But what I don't want to see is paranoia handcuff law enforcement and hamper their ability to fight not only local crime but the war on terror.
Very practical assertion :)
If anything both sides, libs and cons, help to keep this balance.
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Very practical assertion :)
If anything both sides, libs and cons, help to keep this balance.
Thanks. I agree.
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I agree we have to keep a close watch over the enormous power we have given to the government. I think we have plenty of safeguards in place: various agencies (like the IG), Congress, the courts, the media, various private watchdog groups, the public. Abuses will happen. Anytime you give people power they eventually abuse it to some degree in one form or another. I don't think we can completely prevent abuses. But what I don't want to see is paranoia handcuff law enforcement and hamper their ability to fight not only local crime but the war on terror.
Is it any coincidence you gave the only intelligible comment in this thread?
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Is it any coincidence you gave the only intelligible comment in this thread?
you're australian. your president is my presiden't lap dog. the man who rules your nation does what we tell him. know your position.
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you're australian. your president is my presiden't lap dog. the man who rules your nation does what we tell him. know your position.
Pfft. Haha! What a brilliantly pointless comment.
I love it when you act like you know the slightest bit about Australian politics. Splendid.
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Pfft. Haha! What a brilliantly pointless comment.
I love it when you act like you know the slightest bit about Australian politics. Splendid.
Did your president not come out and criticize the beliefs of a POTENTIAL presidential candidate, Barrack Obama?
Did your presiden't son not work on the bush/cheney campaign?
I'd ask you what YOUR position is on the topic of this thread, but you'd refer me to 75 posts you made about something completely unrelated, demand an apology, call me a fool, and threaten a cage match for "moral superiority" among us 8 douchebags that post here.
Pretty close then?
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your president is my presiden't lap dog. the man who rules your nation does what we tell him.
Bwahahaha!!
Heel! Sit! Roll over!
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Did your president not come out and criticize the beliefs of a POTENTIAL presidential candidate, Barrack Obama?
Did your presiden't son not work on the bush/cheney campaign?
I'd ask you what YOUR position is on the topic of this thread, but you'd refer me to 75 posts you made about something completely unrelated, demand an apology, call me a fool, and threaten a cage match for "moral superiority" among us 8 douchebags that post here.
Pretty close then?
We don't have a 'President', clever guy.
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We don't have a 'President', clever guy.
Poodle-in-charge.
Sorry.
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Poodle-in-charge.
Sorry.
Yes, you've proven yourself as a force to be reckoned with on the geopolitical issues faced by our two countries.
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Yes, you've proven yourself as a force to be reckoned with on the geopolitical issues faced by our two countries.
And I matter just as much as you with your hoity-toity challenges, inability to give straight answers, and neotaint party line toeage:
naught.
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And I matter just as much as you with your hoity-toity challenges, inability to give straight answers, and neotaint party line toeage:
naught.
Er, well said.
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we're all just carbon based oxygen thieves til cancer or the cardiac gets us. only difference is, my president tells your poodle what to do.
Your president is barney II.
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we're all just carbon based oxygen thieves til cancer or the cardiac gets us. only difference is, my president tells your poodle what to do.
Your president is barney II.
(as above).
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Is it any coincidence you gave the only intelligible comment in this thread?
Thanks Bruce. :)
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Is it any coincidence you gave the only intelligible comment in this thread?
I love this post. Welcome back bruce, you were missed. Even a short absence and everyone gets a little antsy. ;D
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And thank you both.
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"The nation's top two law enforcement officials acknowledged Friday the FBI broke the law to secretly pry out personal information about Americans. They apologized and vowed to prevent further illegal intrusions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_security_letters
(http://www.khattam.com/cards/sorry/sorry4.jpg)
I feel so much better now knowing that Alberto Gonzales is going to be personally protecting my civil liberties.
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"The nation's top two law enforcement officials acknowledged Friday the FBI broke the law to secretly pry out personal information about Americans. They apologized and vowed to prevent further illegal intrusions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_security_letters
(http://www.khattam.com/cards/sorry/sorry4.jpg)
I feel so much better now knowing that Alberto Gonzales is going to be personally protecting my civil liberties.
You're probably the only one to feel that way. ;)
"The attorney general and the FBI are part of the problem,
and they cannot be trusted to be part of the solution," said ACLU's executive director, Anthony D. Romero.
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This could prove a tricky mess for Congress leading into an election.
on the one hand, if they take measures to adjust The Patriot Act, rogue elements will undoubtedly commit another self attack in time to scare the bejeebus out of civilians in time for the election, and to campaign that "only with a Republican president can America be safe from the terrorists" ...or "If the Dems hadn't taken the teeth out of The Patriot Act, we would have caught them in time to stop it".
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This could prove a tricky mess for Congress leading into an election.
on the one hand, if they take measures to adjust The Patriot Act, rogue elements will undoubtedly commit another self attack in time to scare the bejeebus out of civilians in time for the election, and to campaign that "only with a Republican president can America be safe from the terrorists" ...or "If the Dems hadn't taken the teeth out of The Patriot Act, we would have caught them in time to stop it".
Jag, I dunno.
Over 1/3 of Americans believe it was a self attack. And that was before the huge media coverage the 'inside job' theory got in 2006. God only knows what today's polls would say.
They pull another self-attack and you're gonna have ten million dylan avery's. They're LOOKING for flaws this time. last time, everyone bought it at first. This time? We get attacked anywhere and "cheney again?" will be the first thing out of half of america's mouths.
IMO the dicks won't be able to pull off another (believable) self attack on that level for 40 years, and even then if the internet legacy hasn't been destroyed, it'll be tough. If planes hit anything tomorrow and buildings fell again, Bruce and beach bum would be the only two folks in the world to believe it.
people are smart now. another attack would win the election for hilary/whoever.
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Bruce and beach bum would be the only two folks in the world to believe it.
people are smart now. another attack would win the election for hilary/whoever.
Haha!
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also noteworthy - in 2000 and 2004, the prez elections were super tight.
If 1/3 of the 50 million republican voters believed Bush had a hand in 911, and even 1% of that group didn't vote repub because of that, the dems will win eaily.
personally, no f'king way Rudy gets my vote. He got warned the towers were gonna fall when no one else knew. He has a DUTY to go on tv and "out" the person with foreknowledge. instead, he won't answer it. There are a lot of dead firefighters who would have lived if rudy had told them "don't go in there - it will fall in ten minutes". instead, rudy runs for the CNN camera.
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Haha!
:D How about this one: "Over 1/3 of Americans believe it was a self attack."
Hahahahaha! ;D
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:D How about this one: "Over 1/3 of Americans believe it was a self attack."
Hahahahaha! ;D
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll
Scripps is a very reputable polling firm. They back their results with scientific knowledge. heck, 911 Commissioner Lee Hamilton believes the results.
This isn't a CT theory. This is actualy American sentiment. one out of three people you see on the street believes 911 was an inside job. I'm sorry if your military or 'univ professor' friends don't wear 911truth.org t-shirts.
But it's a fact - 1/3 of americans believe it was an inside job.
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Bruce isn't american?? Then why does he care so much about our politics?
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one out of three people you see on the street believes 911 was an inside job.
Absurd. Absolutely ridiculous. I think Ozmo is a much better gauge. He previously indicated he travels quite a bit and NOBODY talks about this conspiracy nonsense. It is primarily an internet phenomenon. I deal with lots of people too and with the exception of two of my softball teammates, it has never come up.
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Bruce isn't american?? Then why does he care so much about our politics?
cause aussie does what we tell them to do. they're like england without all the bobbies.
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Absurd. Absolutely ridiculous. I think Ozmo is a much better gauge. He previously indicated he travels quite a bit and NOBODY talks about this conspiracy nonsense. It is primarily an internet phenomenon. I deal with lots of people too and with the exception of two of my softball teammates, it has never come up.
LMAO!
Absurd? Perhaps you would like to tell the class why your data ("No one has brought it up to me") is more reliable than a consistent, statistical analysis done with real math behind it?
Do you ASK everyone you see about 9/11? Or just wait for casual acquanitances to bring up a horrible thought out of nowhere? Come on. Friends aren't supposed to tlak business or politics.
I'm shocked that a 'university professor' would discount the value of a scientific poll from a reputable firm as nonsense because "people i know don't bring it up".
You seem more and more like a early 20s inexperienced college kid every day beach bum. anyone with a college education does realize the value of stats. Your discounting them shows a huge lack of understandiing.
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Absurd. Absolutely ridiculous. I think Ozmo is a much better gauge. He previously indicated he travels quite a bit and NOBODY talks about this conspiracy nonsense. It is primarily an internet phenomenon. I deal with lots of people too and with the exception of two of my softball teammates, it has never come up.
Agreed, the '1/3' of people poll is inaccurate, to say the least.
Bruce isn't american?? Then why does he care so much about our politics?
Correct, I'm not. I care because none of you will do the polite thing, and engage me in Australian politics here.
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LMAO!
Absurd? Perhaps you would like to tell the class why your data ("No one has brought it up to me") is more reliable than a consistent, statistical analysis done with real math behind it?
Do you ASK everyone you see about 9/11? Or just wait for casual acquanitances to bring up a horrible thought out of nowhere? Come on. Friends aren't supposed to tlak business or politics.
I'm shocked that a 'university professor' would discount the value of a scientific poll from a reputable firm as nonsense because "people i know don't bring it up".
You seem more and more like a early 20s inexperienced college kid every day beach bum. anyone with a college education does realize the value of stats. Your discounting them shows a huge lack of understandiing.
lol. You are a nut. ::) Since you believe the CIA controls the media, why don't you explain why the CIA permitted this poll to be published?
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cause aussie does what we tell them to do. they're like england without all the bobbies.
Didn't you try to tell me we have a President earlier today? Maybe you're not the best resource for this geopolitical matter.
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Agreed, the '1/3' of people poll is inaccurate, to say the least.
This might be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board:
"one out of three people you see on the street believes 911 was an inside job."
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This might be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this board:
"one out of three people you see on the street believes 911 was an inside job."
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I think it's safe to say 240 has a God complex. He honestly believes he will enlighten the Proles with his 'inside knowledge'.
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Agreed, the '1/3' of people poll is inaccurate, to say the least.
Correct, I'm not. I care because none of you will do the polite thing, and engage me in Australian politics here.
I will....but it won't last too long cause I don't even know what kind of gov. you have. :)
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Agreed, the '1/3' of people poll is inaccurate, to say the least.
based upon what, BRUCE?
Please produce a poll which shows otherwise.
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Please produce evidence that Scripps has bad information
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Anything else showing it is inaccurate.
back your shit up, soldier. back up your words. You say it's innacurate - surely you can prove this.
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lol. You are a nut. ::) Since you believe the CIA controls the media, why don't you explain why the CIA permitted this poll to be published?
HAHAHA you fooking changed the subject. I don't blame you. I'm spanking you on this one. You made a statement you can't back up.
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I think it's safe to say 240 has a God complex. He honestly believes he will enlighten the Proles with his 'inside knowledge'.
Bruce you just don't understand. Or you're naive. Or both. Did I miss anything?
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I will....but it won't last too long cause I don't even know what kind of gov. you have. :)
So you see why I spend most of my time here using my critiques on the US.
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HAHAHA you fooking changed the subject. I don't blame you. I'm spanking you on this one. You made a statement you can't back up.
Actually, I've been gagged by the CIA. Lololololol!!!!
My tummy is starting to hurt. :D lolololo!
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So you see why I spend most of my time here using my critiques on the US.
Keep using them,it makes for an interesting read. I don't post much but this board is the most entertaining on getbig.
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Keep using them,it makes for an interesting read. I don't post much but this board is the most entertaining on getbig.
Thanks, GT - I'll keep typing if you keep reading!
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Absurd. Absolutely ridiculous. I think Ozmo is a much better gauge. He previously indicated he travels quite a bit and NOBODY talks about this conspiracy nonsense. It is primarily an internet phenomenon. I deal with lots of people too and with the exception of two of my softball teammates, it has never come up.
People don't often talk about such a sensitive topic in person... let alone bring it up with strangers because people can be rather volatile. The 1st. time 240 heard the suggestion, ...he admittedly almost decked the guy who told him.
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People don't often talk about such a sensitive topic in person... let alone bring it up with strangers because people can be rather volatile. The 1st. time 240 heard the suggestion, ...he admittedly almost decked the guy who told him.
Very good point. I don't bring up 9/11 with anyone I meet. it's an issue which infuriates some people. They have this immediate response of anger/betrayl/etc when they hear it - either the person in front of them is speaking the most horrible lie they've ever heard, or the some people in govt the love and trust did something very horrible to innocent Americans. There is no way out of that situation comfortably.
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People don't often talk about such a sensitive topic in person... let alone bring it up with strangers because people can be rather volatile. The 1st. time 240 heard the suggestion, ...he admittedly almost decked the guy who told him.
Not true at all. We're talking about the murder of over 3,000 people. If rational people believed the government and thousands of others participated in a conspiracy to murder these people (and hide many of their bodies), everyone would be talking about it (unless they were gagged by the CIA of course) and it wouldn't be relegated primarily to the internet. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Not true at all. We're talking about the murder of over 3,000 people. If rational people believed the government and thousands of others participated in a conspiracy to murder these people (and hide many of their bodies), everyone would be talking about it (unless they were gagged by the CIA of course) and it wouldn't be relegated primarily to the internet. It just doesn't make any sense.
you're wrong.
most people possess the tact not to bring up politics or religion with strangers or acquaintances.
I guess you and your imaginary "university" students should learn about tact. That is, if they were real.
hey, why did you tell getbig you dropped out of high school, then started saying you were a university professor, and a fulltime business owner? WHy would you lie to strangers on a forum? are you that insecure?
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you're wrong.
most people possess the tact not to bring up politics or religion with strangers or acquaintances.
I guess you and your imaginary "university" students should learn about tact. That is, if they were real.
hey, why did you tell getbig you dropped out of high school, then started saying you were a university professor, and a fulltime business owner? WHy would you lie to strangers on a forum? are you that insecure?
Don't forget owner of beautiful home on the beautiful island of Oahu. :)
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Don't forget owner of beautiful home on the beautiful island of Oahu. :)
no offense dude, but after the series of lies, racist comments, and inabilities to understand simple political and mathematical concepts - coupled with your schedule posting here 24/7 despite the two fulltiem careers you claim to have, I think it's more likely you're a 21-year old kid from the Young Republicans club of some shitty minnesota community college.
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no offense dude, but after the series of lies, racist comments, and inabilities to understand simple political and mathematical concepts - coupled with your schedule posting here 24/7 despite the two fulltiem careers you claim to have, I think it's more likely you're a 21-year old kid from the Young Republicans club of some shitty minnesota community college.
I haven't felt intellectually outmatched by him either. ::)
But I have to admit that "I've been gagged by the CIA!" riff was funny. ;D
For now, at least. :-\
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no offense dude, but after the series of lies, racist comments, and inabilities to understand simple political and mathematical concepts - coupled with your schedule posting here 24/7 despite the two fulltiem careers you claim to have, I think it's more likely you're a 21-year old kid from the Young Republicans club of some shitty minnesota community college.
Oh rats! Outed! LOL. ;D
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Oh rats! Outed! LOL. ;D
you're weird.
lies, racist posts, etc.
really, do you make people uncomfortable in real life? Or do you just turn on 'weird creepy mode" for the internet?
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I don't bring up 9/11 with anyone I meet.
Now this I don't believe!
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Now this I don't believe!
You can believe what you want.
In real life, I possess the tact not to present friends, acquaintances, or strangers with such an exposive topic. When someone does mention it or ask my opinion, I will start the conversation with a nice "before we even start this conversation - be prepared that I have some thoughts which might piss you off or scare you". Then I'll ask them what they think, tell them some of the holes in the story, then see where it leads.
honestly though, it almost never comes up.
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You can believe what you want.
In real life, I possess the tact not to present friends, acquaintances, or strangers with such an exposive topic. When someone does mention it or ask my opinion, I will start the conversation with a nice "before we even start this conversation - be prepared that I have some thoughts which might piss you off or scare you". Then I'll ask them what they think, tell them some of the holes in the story, then see where it leads.
honestly though, it almost never comes up.
I was being toungue-in-cheek, of course. But you'd have to understand why bringing the topic up would deeply offend so many.
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I was being toungue-in-cheek, of course. But you'd have to understand why bringing the topic up would deeply offend so many.
Of course. The first time I heard it, I tried to goad the asshole into a fight for saying something so unpatriotic. He asked me to address the holes in the evidence, I just wanted to punch him.
You know what though - I think even you, bruce, would change your position on 9/11 if you had to sit down and actually speak, out loud, and explain each of the anomalies in the official story.
As long as I denied even looking at it, it was easy to believe the official story. Once I tried to defend the story to myself, in light of the evidence, I realized what a silly story it is.
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Of course. The first time I heard it, I tried to goad the asshole into a fight for saying something so unpatriotic. He asked me to address the holes in the evidence, I just wanted to punch him.
You know what though - I think even you, bruce, would change your position on 9/11 if you had to sit down and actually speak, out loud, and explain each of the anomalies in the official story.
As long as I denied even looking at it, it was easy to believe the official story. Once I tried to defend the story to myself, in light of the evidence, I realized what a silly story it is.
The difference is, 240, I don't have a problem debating it or talking to anyone about it. I'm as sure it wasn't an inside job as you're sure it is, given the evidence we've both seen. I love a good conspiracy theory, but this has to be one of the most far-fetched I've come across.
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Jag, I dunno.
Over 1/3 of Americans believe it was a self attack. And that was before the huge media coverage the 'inside job' theory got in 2006. God only knows what today's polls would say.
240, you are quite delusional on this topic. There is absolutely no way over 1/3 of americans believe it was a self-attack. Your view of this topic is no doubt warped by the manhours you spend on it and the countless websites, youtube adn google videos you watch. All of my friends, most of whom are young professionals, not one thinks it was a self-attack. Due to the obsession with 9/11 on this board I decided to ask most of my friends if they thought it was a self-attack...and I didnt even mention holograms or fake videos. No one thought it was a self-attack.
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240, you are quite delusional on this topic. There is absolutely no way over 1/3 of americans believe it was a self-attack.
Many polls have it higher.
Cav, you're fresh outta school, right? I'm sure you took stats. If you're so sure those polls are wrong, maybe you can tell us why?
Your gut feeling vs. scientific polling.
ummmm
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240, you are quite delusional on this topic. There is absolutely no way over 1/3 of americans believe it was a self-attack. Your view of this topic is no doubt warped by the manhours you spend on it and the countless websites, youtube adn google videos you watch. All of my friends, most of whom are young professionals, not one thinks it was a self-attack. Due to the obsession with 9/11 on this board I decided to ask most of my friends if they thought it was a self-attack...and I didnt even mention holograms or fake videos. No one thought it was a self-attack.
Ask them if they believe all four planes were secretly landed, the passengers from all four planes secretly killed and their bodies disposed of, the planes secretly destroyed, while missiles hit the WTC, and media faked the coverage of the planes hitting the WTC.
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The one poll you mentioned awhile back, which I think you are referring to, said that something close 36% of those polled didn't believe evertying about the official story, or something ambiguous like that. How a question is worded causes answers to vary greatly. You know this.
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The one poll you mentioned awhile back, which I think you are referring to, said that something close 36% of those polled didn't believe evertying about the official story, or something ambiguous like that. How a question is worded causes answers to vary greatly. You know this.
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.
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The one poll you mentioned awhile back, which I think you are referring to, said that something close 36% of those polled didn't believe evertying about the official story, or something ambiguous like that. How a question is worded causes answers to vary greatly. You know this.
The 36% is a scientific poll. If I wanted to go overboard, I would point out the CNN poll - voluntary response so not nearly as accurate. Still, the numbers are shocking.
CNN Poll: 89% Believe US Government Covering Up 9/11
CNN | November 11 2004
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Yes, I just saw it. I assumed you were talking about a similar poll from this fall.
I don't believe that 36% believe it was an inside job. Everyone I have talked to does not share this belief. I am getting more and more curious about this. I am going to IM everyone on my buddy last with this question:
"Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by the Federal government"
Or should I ask the question in a different form? Any suggestions.
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Covering up can mean a lot of things. COvering up mistakes, covering up the fact that these terrorists slipped through the cracks, etc etc. ANd they undoubtely would be right. At least one govt official somewhere tried to cover his own ass....Able Danger was a good example.
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Yes, I just saw it. I assumed you were talking about a similar poll from this fall.
I don't believe that 36% believe it was an inside job. Everyone I have talked to does not share this belief. I am getting more and more curious about this. I am going to IM everyone on my buddy last with this question:
"Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by the Federal government"
Or should I ask the question in a different form? Any suggestions.
that sounds good.
The idea of most CTers is that if enough people doubt the official story, they will re-investigate.
When Pearl harbor happened, they initially did a fast self-investigation which cleared anyone of any "letting it happen to get us into WWII as FDR needed". Later, as evidence came to light, they did investigations #2, #3, and #4. People were blamed (two men in particular) who then pointed the finger at FDR showing pre-knowledge.
When JFK happened, they did a fast investigation (in which Gerry Ford himself moved the bullet hole on the autopsy and the doctor BURNED his autopsy notes on the president!). Then, 14 years later, Congress admitted there was a conspiracy.
It will happen here too. In a few years, as numbers rise, the population will demand it. And they'll do investigation #2. history shows it.
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Covering up can mean a lot of things. COvering up mistakes, covering up the fact that these terrorists slipped through the cracks, etc etc. ANd they undoubtely would be right. At least one govt official somewhere tried to cover his own ass....Able Danger was a good example.
Yet everyone with Able Danger was given a promotion.
And that one executive order where Atta's record was sealed directly from teh White house - that needs to be explained.
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According to my poll, 240 didn't do it:
http://joeblogs.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/pollresults/001 (http://joeblogs.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/pollresults/001)
Who Was Responsible For 9/11
Who Was Responsible For 9/11
Islamic Extemists (5) 42%
US Government (7) 58%
Crazy Internet Web-Page Designer (0) 0%
Total Votes: 12
http://twatjoe.blogspot.com (http://twatjoe.blogspot.com)
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wow, and i haven't even voted in it yet.
What's your typical viewer audience like?
I applaud you for this one, and for posting results even thought it's not in line with your beliefs. props.
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Yes, I just saw it. I assumed you were talking about a similar poll from this fall.
I don't believe that 36% believe it was an inside job. Everyone I have talked to does not share this belief. I am getting more and more curious about this. I am going to IM everyone on my buddy last with this question:
"Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by the Federal government"
Or should I ask the question in a different form? Any suggestions.
Ask them if they believe all four planes were secretly landed, the passengers from all four planes secretly killed and their bodies disposed of, the planes secretly destroyed, while missiles hit the WTC, and media faked the coverage of the planes hitting the WTC.
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Crazy Internet Web-Page Designer (0) 0%
lol again. :D
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What's your typical viewer audience like?
Daring, overt sexual presence, glorious flowing locks, stunning facial features, chisled physique etc.
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I wanted to jump into this because I knew u guys would be going nuts, but I've have been busy buyinga house. Anyway who care..nobody here has done anything wrong to warrent attention by the Feds right..or are some of u left wing nutbags worried about something ;D. I guess if 240 dissappears we know he was right. :P
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I wanted to jump into this because I knew u guys would be going nuts, but I've have been busy buyinga house. Anyway who care..nobody here has done anything wrong to warrent attention by the Feds right..or are some of u left wing nutbags worried about something ;D. I guess if 240 dissappears we know he was right. :P
if they leave alex jones, dylan avery, and some of those other guys alive, i think i'm safe for a bit :P
Our founding fathers would have spat upon any man who disrespected this country enough to condone unlimited searches. You are shown abuses here, and you are still okay with it. You're not about freedom, HH. You are fighting in middle east for their freedom, but you could give a shit about the freedom of people here. what a mess you are.