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Im debating this with a friend of mine.
Whats the best possible method of going about this.
Heres the scenario :
I have 6 weeks to lose 12 lbs of FAT. I am 5'8 195lbs with 12-13% bodyfat. I have a fast metabolism but have most of my fat around my abdominal region.
My solution was a under low carb approach (under 50 a day) with one carb up meal a week, high protein, and high fat.
His solution is a super caloric restricted diet with low fat and low carbs, but super high protein.
What would ur solution be?????
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cue up tA with the following response:
eat whatever you want just make sure you're in a caloric defecit. Don't bother doing cardio just eat 300 calories less a day. Buy a pullup bar and do pull ups through out the day, this will burn a ton of calories. Look up the glycemic index...blah, blah, blah.
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Im debating this with a friend of mine.
Whats the best possible method of going about this.
Heres the scenario :
I have 6 weeks to lose 12 lbs of FAT. I am 5'8 195lbs with 12-13% bodyfat. I have a fast metabolism but have most of my fat around my abdominal region.
My solution was a under low carb approach (under 50 a day) with one carb up meal a week, high protein, and high fat.
His solution is a super caloric restricted diet with low fat and low carbs, but super high protein.
What would ur solution be?????
Clenbuterol.
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And what would u do N. Al?
cue up tA with the following response:
eat whatever you want just make sure you're in a caloric defecit. Don't bother doing cardio just eat 300 calories less a day. Buy a pullup bar and do pull ups through out the day, this will burn a ton of calories. Look up the glycemic index...blah, blah, blah.
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Clen.
Two days ON at 3 tabs a day which will be 60mcg daily and Two days OFF. On your OFF days substitue clen with ECA twice a day.
Run that the entire 6 weeks. You'll lose about 15lbs of bodyfat.
Trust me.
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Im debating this with a friend of mine.
Whats the best possible method of going about this.
Heres the scenario :
I have 6 weeks to lose 12 lbs of FAT. I am 5'8 195lbs with 12-13% bodyfat. I have a fast metabolism but have most of my fat around my abdominal region.
My solution was a under low carb approach (under 50 a day) with one carb up meal a week, high protein, and high fat.
His solution is a super caloric restricted diet with low fat and low carbs, but super high protein.
What would ur solution be?????
In this particualr situation, I agree with your friend. Read Lyle McDonald's "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" for the scientific rationale behind this:
http://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Fat-Loss-Handbook-Scientific/dp/0967145643/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5094630-4878319?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173900583&sr=8-1
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I think you must post your pic. Its depend on your bodytype.
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And what would u do N. Al?
6 weeks ot loose 12lbs of fat? AM cardio on an empty stomach, maybe mix in some BCAA's if you feel like it before hand, only if you're worried that you're loosing muscle. I'd go have my LBM checked to make sure you really need to loose 12lbs then I'd start the AM cardio. Get your hands on some ephedra over the net and do the old ephedra/caffine stack 2-3 times a day. Low carbs, drink at least a gallon of water a day.
I'd read Dan Duchaine's book on getting ripped-can't remember the name but he lays it on the line in that.
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Body Opus?
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Body Opus?
yes. I was talking doing it "naturally", block suggested clen but I don't know anything about that. I'd also really think of doing the LBM, how much is fat and how much is water weight?
If things are slow do an AM cardio session with an empty stomach and do a PM session also. I'd also look at only taking in carbs post workout.
this is for the timeframe laid out originally, if you had longer I might rethink everything I just suggested.
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this is for the timeframe laid out originally, if you had longer I might rethink everything I just suggested.
Exactly. Trying to lose 12 lbs of fat in 6 weeks doesn't really allow time to do things "right".
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get on the next survivor series and live on a tropical island, eat half of a little fish every day. Do a challenge every day....easy
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its called bronkaid in the usa and its what any bodybuilder use to lose bodyfat,,add caffeine to it with some chweable aspirin
clenbuterol is good but not as good as ephedra,,never was as good as ephedra and never will be as good as ephedra
amazon.com should have it for you ready to ship
good luck
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6 WEEKS IS MORE than enough to lose 12 lbs of fat.
You just need to create enough deficit.
Simple as can be.
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cue up tA with the following response:
eat whatever you want just make sure you're in a caloric defecit. Don't bother doing cardio just eat 300 calories less a day. Buy a pullup bar and do pull ups through out the day, this will burn a ton of calories. Look up the glycemic index...blah, blah, blah.
just curious.. who's provoking who at this point?
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Its just a hypothetical situation fellas. Myself and a buddy of mine were having a friendly debate about this.
And I just wanted to see what the getbiggers had to say!
Flexington
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12 weeks is plenty of time to lose even 20lbs of pure fat.
Try the clen/ECA outline I posted and with cardio in the AM before your first meal for at least 30-40 minutes...watch the carbs and you'll be money.
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Oh.
and Cardio is Not neccesary and you can eat whatever you like.
Just make sure the deficit is there.
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6 WEEKS IS MORE than enough to lose 12 lbs of fat.
You just need to create enough deficit.
Simple as can be.
Yeah, just like in the Nazi concentration camps. ::)
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Yeah, just like in the Nazi concentration camps. ::)
Why are you so bitter ............ Enigma
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Yeah, just like in the Nazi concentration camps. ::)
that's a myth and you know it.
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12 weeks is plenty of time to lose even 20lbs of pure fat.
Try the clen/ECA outline I posted and with cardio in the AM before your first meal for at least 30-40 minutes...watch the carbs and you'll be money.
If you are natural, and are doing morning empty stomach cardio, you'll most likely burn a lot of muscle as well.
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Maybe but there are way to combat that. Perhaps a spoon full of BCAA powder and even a little glutamine in a water bottle to be sipped on during cardio?
Maybe a serving of PS before hand as well.
As long as his cardio is moderate and not for any more than 40 minutes or so he should be fine. If he's weight training at a respectively intense way in the evening then he shouldnt lose muscle.
Perhaps drop down to ECA once daily before morning cardio. I'd still have him use clen like I outlined...watch the carbs and keep them very minimal and up the good fat(s) and he should be good.
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Im debating this with a friend of mine.
Whats the best possible method of going about this.
Heres the scenario :
I have 6 weeks to lose 12 lbs of FAT. I am 5'8 195lbs with 12-13% bodyfat. I have a fast metabolism but have most of my fat around my abdominal region.
My solution was a under low carb approach (under 50 a day) with one carb up meal a week, high protein, and high fat.
His solution is a super caloric restricted diet with low fat and low carbs, but super high protein.
What would ur solution be?????
Why six weeks, what are you doing this for?
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Why six weeks, what are you doing this for?
hahahaha, exactly, it always makes me laugh when these clowns think the answer is to totally eliminate a macronutrient like carbs but then defeat the whole purpose by eating twice as much protein thus leaving the total caloric intake exactly the same, morons.
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PM, Adonis,
you need the priniciples ni**a.
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Clen.
Two days ON at 3 tabs a day which will be 60mcg daily and Two days OFF. On your OFF days substitue clen with ECA twice a day.
Run that the entire 6 weeks. You'll lose about 15lbs of bodyfat.
Trust me.
Block, you are off on this one.
you are better off doing clen for 2 weeks and ECA for two
the 1/2 life of clen is too long to even bother with the 2 1 cycle
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Here is advice from a person with more knowledge than you gave awhile ago:
"you should be able to go up to 120/day. Increasing to 160 probably wouldn't do any good. The pros I know don't even go that high.
Follow the 2 week on - 2 week off scenario for 12 weeks. When you start back up after your off weeks, no need to "ramp" up, just start where you left off. The ramping up period is only to get your body used to it and check your tolerance."
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if you really mean business you could do a couple lines of coke stacked with heroine, ECA, Clen and a dbol. Wash that down with couple bottles vokda and only eat when close to passing out. And sip water once per day upon waking
try that for 2 weeks and you will be the most shredded guy ever
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hahahaha, exactly, it always makes me laugh when these clowns think the answer is to totally eliminate a macronutrient like carbs but then defeat the whole purpose by eating twice as much protein thus leaving the total caloric intake exactly the same, morons.
The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.
You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.
Are carbs necessary? No.
Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.
Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle. But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats. Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.
Hope this helps, "moron" ::)
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The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.
You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.
Are carbs necessary? No.
Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.
Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle. But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats. Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.
Hope this helps, "moron" ::)
Protein, your body only needs 3 grammes a day,
pm adonis, he will show you the light,
eat what you want,
no cardio.
no weights,
THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
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The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.
You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.
Are carbs necessary? No.
Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.
Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle. But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats. Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.
Hope this helps, "moron" ::)
uh oh, looks like i touched a nerve, something tells me that your metabolism is so horrid that you can't lose bodyfat unless you eat 750 calories a day, hahahaha, carbs have vitamins and fiber that protein doesn't you fuccking jackass, your brain and muscles use carbs as fuel, a better option is just to cut the meals that you're currently eating by a third or half but keep the foods the same.
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Im debating this with a friend of mine.
Whats the best possible method of going about this.
Heres the scenario :
I have 6 weeks to lose 12 lbs of FAT. I am 5'8 195lbs with 12-13% bodyfat. I have a fast metabolism but have most of my fat around my abdominal region.
My solution was a under low carb approach (under 50 a day) with one carb up meal a week, high protein, and high fat.
His solution is a super caloric restricted diet with low fat and low carbs, but super high protein.
What would ur solution be?????
ur aware tht according to TA you are 29% fat and severely obese
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PM, Adonis,
you need the priniciples ni**a.
Yes, a package of oreos and bag of donuts should do the trick..LOL!!
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so this fucker enjoyed life and food enough to accumulate a good amount of belly fat. And now you expect him to give up carbs for 6 weeks?
this fucker won't last 4 hours without some carbs. Without carbs he would constantly be hungry and clearly he lacks self control..need I say more?
dude, run to subway get a 6" tuna fish sandwich, also get some cookies. Just make sure that you are in a caloric defecit.
dumb fuckers
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uh oh, looks like i touched a nerve, something tells me that your metabolism is so horrid that you can't lose bodyfat unless you eat 750 calories a day, hahahaha, carbs have vitamins and fiber that protein doesn't you fuccking jackass, your brain and muscles use carbs as fuel, a better option is just to cut the meals that you're currently eating by a third or half but keep the foods the same.
Uh, dumbass, I don't cut that way... I don't try to lose 12 pounds in six weeks, either. I was responding to the original poster's question, i.e. a "crash" diet to make a deadline. My typical cutting diet goes between 2700-2900 calories and carbs never drop below 150, higher on lifting days.
Hope this helps, "squadfather", haha, oh brother! ::)
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6 WEEKS IS MORE than enough to lose 12 lbs of fat.
You just need to create enough deficit.
Simple as can be.
What if the deficit is too great?
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What if the deficit is too great?
You get sick and die.
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The idea is to achieve the lowest total caloric intake possible.
You do this by eliminating everything that isn't necessary to prevent massive amounts of muscle tissue loss or to sustain life.
Are carbs necessary? No.
Are fats necessary? MOstly no, but you do need a small amount of EFA's.
Is protein necessary? Yes, if you don't want to lose a ton of muscle. But only an idiot would up it to the point of replacing the calories from carbs and fats. Again, the idea in "crash dieting" (as in a 6-week timeframe) is to reduce your calories as low as possible, but the few calories you do eat should be protein and a small amount of efa's.
Hope this helps, "moron" ::)
Yea but carbs are "protein sparing"
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In this particualr situation, I agree with your friend. Read Lyle McDonald's "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" for the scientific rationale behind this:
http://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Fat-Loss-Handbook-Scientific/dp/0967145643/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5094630-4878319?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173900583&sr=8-1
The PSMF protocol is pretty simple from what I recall, I think it's something like eating 5-6 GRAMS of EFA's and approx 160 grams of protein (if you weigh 200 lbs). Nothing else, maybe very little of broccoli or similar vegetables.
Then of course, there is the Ultimate Diet 2.0. Very good cyklo-keto diet if you ask me, McDonald bettered the Duchaine Body Opus diet.
-Hedge
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Yea but carbs are "protein sparing"
So are ketones, which the body will not produce in the presence of carbs.
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Block, you are off on this one.
you are better off doing clen for 2 weeks and ECA for two
the 1/2 life of clen is too long to even bother with the 2 1 cycle
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Here is advice from a person with more knowledge than you gave awhile ago:
"you should be able to go up to 120/day. Increasing to 160 probably wouldn't do any good. The pros I know don't even go that high.
Follow the 2 week on - 2 week off scenario for 12 weeks. When you start back up after your off weeks, no need to "ramp" up, just start where you left off. The ramping up period is only to get your body used to it and check your tolerance."
DIVISION?
Thanks, Steele...straight up. Thanks man...I read about it all the time and the debate is out there.
It also seems the guys(or girls) who use clen for 2 weeks straight thend to use 'ketofin' or even benedryl to keep the receptors clean and sort of 'immune' to the effects of clen. Interesting.
Good post.
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just curious.. who's provoking who at this point?
why do you ask? he's pretty much said everything I wrote in that original post, it wasn't even that mean spiritied.
Why are you concerned?
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Maybe but there are way to combat that. Perhaps a spoon full of BCAA powder and even a little glutamine in a water bottle to be sipped on during cardio?
Maybe a serving of PS before hand as well.
As long as his cardio is moderate and not for any more than 40 minutes or so he should be fine. If he's weight training at a respectively intense way in the evening then he shouldnt lose muscle.
Perhaps drop down to ECA once daily before morning cardio. I'd still have him use clen like I outlined...watch the carbs and keep them very minimal and up the good fat(s) and he should be good.
Best way I've found, is to eat about a half a can of tuna (full can, depending on size/shape/condition to begin with), and then wait a half an hour. Do your cardio, clen, eca or not, and then wait for 30min again after your cardio is over and eat a decent sized meal, minus any fat and/or carbohydrates (depending on your diet).
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I suppose you can do that or even have a little bit of liquid egg whites with maybe 1 scoop if whey as soon as you wake up.
Then tinker around the kitchen, drop your morning deuce like it's hot...log onto getbig and see who the hell actually POSTS at your 6:30 in the morning and shake your head in astonishment...
By the time it's 7 your blood stream will be soaked with aminos so by 7:15 pop your ECA and head to the gym.
7:30 you can start your cardio.
This makes sense for a natural guy.
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DIVISION?
Thanks, Steele...straight up. Thanks man...I read about it all the time and the debate is out there.
It also seems the guys(or girls) who use clen for 2 weeks straight thend to use 'ketofin' or even benedryl to keep the receptors clean and sort of 'immune' to the effects of clen. Interesting.
Good post.
Block, it wasn't Div
why the need to keep the receptors clean if you are only on for 2 weeks at a time? I hear people complaining about cramps due to the potasium usage. But a banana a day should be enough, just add a banana to your shake.
fucking Stavios makes his girl take clen/t3...T3 is something the experts say you should avoid
oddly enough bodybuiding.com stopped selling vasopro, this fucker might want to stock up or actually get real ephedra for his ECA from the block. The supp board is awesome for this kind of information the fine lady that runs that board should be worshipped.
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I suppose you can do that or even have a little bit of liquid egg whites with maybe 1 scoop if whey as soon as you wake up.
Then tinker around the kitchen, drop your morning deuce like it's hot...log onto getbig and see who the hell actually POSTS at your 6:30 in the morning and shake your head in astonishment...
By the time it's 7 your blood stream will be soaked with aminos so by 7:15 pop your ECA and head to the gym.
7:30 you can start your cardio.
This makes sense for a natural guy.
if I was working with a limited time frame I'd do it exactly like this. If you've got more time you can do it a little bit different.
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I would take the ECA first, that way it gets to your system before anything else, gets you revved up and then eat your food 10-15min later. Then hit the gym/cardio/etc around a half an hour after your food is eaten.
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I would take the ECA first, that way it gets to your system before anything else, gets you revved up and then eat your food 10-15min later. Then hit the gym/cardio/etc around a half an hour after your food is eaten.
why not do cardio on a empty stomach? that is the conventional wisdom
take BCAA/glute/
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12 weeks is plenty of time to lose even 20lbs of pure fat.
Try the clen/ECA outline I posted and with cardio in the AM before your first meal for at least 30-40 minutes...watch the carbs and you'll be money.
is 30 minutes enough cardio... i would do about 60 minutes in the morning. u won't loose muscles as long as ur diet is in check...
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clen is junk
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is 30 minutes enough cardio... i would do about 60 minutes in the morning. u won't loose muscles as long as ur diet is in check...
when you lose weight you will always lose muscle also, the body doesn't operate in absolutes. The best one can do is mitigate the amount of muscle lost by continuing to lift heavy and use supps...caffeine,bcaa, glutes and so on
stop spreading lies
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clen is junk
I would love if you expanded upon this
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why not do cardio on a empty stomach? that is the conventional wisdom
take BCAA/glute/
I've tried it, and I don't think it does anything but what a BBer does not want- muscle loss.
I originally used to do empty stomach cardio. One time when leaning up I decided to try doing it later in the day, and it worked much better for me.
Without going into a huge rant, this is what sums it up:
A calorie burned early in the morning on an empty stomach, is equal to a calorie burned later in the day after you've eaten a meal or two. Either way, a calorie is burned.
Here's a thread that will make you think a little bit:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=238.0
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I would love if you expanded upon this
http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3278
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when you lose weight you will always lose muscle also, the body doesn't operate in absolutes. The best one can do is mitigate the amount of muscle lost by continuing to lift heavy and use supps...caffeine,bcaa, glutes and so on
stop spreading lies
of course u will sacrifice muscle either way... but if your training and nutrition is in check you can minimaze that...
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http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3278
I don't feel like registering for that site, can you just post the information?
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I don't feel like registering for that site, can you just post the information?
starts something like this......
There is quite a bit of techie-talk in here, but I thought is necessary to get my point across. These are very complex drugs, clen especially, so this is just a sort of quick overview of there mechanism of action and how they should be used, in my humble opinion of course.
Clenbuterol and ephedrine are agonists (activator) of adrenergic receptors, specifically the beta adrenergic receptor, which are widely distributed throughout the body. There are three known subtypes of the beta receptor; 1,2, and 3. Beta1 stimulation results in increased heart rate, increased cardiac contractility, and increased lipolysis. Beta2 increases muscle and liver glycogenolysis, increase glucagon (opposite of insulin) increase blood glucose, and major vascular dilation/relaxation. Beta2 also mediates clenbuterol stimulated anabolic effects in muscle, but that is another VERY complicated issue. Beta3, so far only isolated in adipocytes (fat cells), increases lipolysis. Clenbuterol is very specific for beta2, while ephedrine is relatively non selective, and therefore a better lipolytic agent. While caffeine is a totally different class of compound, a methylxanthine, it still has potent affects on the CNS. It works not via adrenergic receptors, but it has heavy influence of calcium and cAMP levels within cells, which is very significant, especially with regards to smooth muscle, like that in blood vessels and intestines. The reason why caffeine is so often combined with ephedrine is most preparations is that the increased intracellular calcium, and uncoupling of calcium with membrane hyperpolarization, is synergistic with the neurotropic effects of ephedrine. The result is a much stronger thermogenic and neurotransmission effect.
The jitteryness, increased heartrate,and increased bloodpressure (regardless of the vasodilatory effects) from clen and ephedrine result from their stimulation of receptor in the sympathetic neurons. The anabolic properties of clen are EXTREMELY interesting, occuring from an entirely different mechanism than androgens. Whatever fat loss benefit this drug offers is far less than ephedrine or other beta1+beta3 specific compounds.
As far as practical use is concerned, there are obviously many variations. The problem is that the beta adrenergic receptors quickly adapt to stimulation by densensitization and downregulation. Desensitization occurs very rapidly via lowered expression of adenylate cyclase and cAMP within the cell. This is unexcapable, even with regards to the beta3, only present in fat. Downregulation has only been shown to occur primarily with expression of receptor mRNAs. The actual receptor population has not been shown to decrease, although it would certainly happen over time. I just don't think the turnover rate is fast enough for it to be a problem in short cycles. Densenstization is the problem, and this occurs very rapidly. There are no human studies looking at this phenomenon (primarily because extended studies would be required with constant stimulation and such would be extremely hazardous, and hence would not get NIH approval), but my guess is that significant desensitization will occur anywhere from 1-4 weeks. Not very specific, but I have no hard data to support that, only hearsay.
For fatloss, the best protocol, IMO, would be 1 weekon/1 off. At least that way there will be little desensitization, and the sympathetic nervous system will not be in constant fight or flight. THat is assuming that one doesn't use ECA during the off weeks. That would be the worst thing to do. You must have periods of complete cessation of ECA, clen, and ehem, CAFFEINE, if you want to recover properly. Ephedrine and caffeine both have halflife of 3-7 hours, while clenbuterol is considerably longer, 10-12 if I rememeber correctly. Using caffeine during ones off period of clen/ECA will not affect the adrenergic receptors, but is will lead to problems with neuronal desensitization. My advice, when not using clen or ECA, don't use any form of CNS stimulant. Simply upping the dosage will not serve any purpose as the receptors have been maximally stimulated and the intracellular machinery has been in effect shut off. A total break from use is required. However, as long as the desensitization is reversed periodically there should not be a reduction in effectiveness of these compounds over the long term. Clen especiall could be used post androgen use if so desired as a way to circumvent the loss of muscle that will inevitably occur after steroid cycles. Clens neurotropic and myotropic effects could be of great use, but I still recommend coming off everything when stopping androgen use.
Since ever individual seems to have a variable tolerance for clen, I would suggest starting at 50 mcg day for men, and 25mcg day for women. If you feel okay up the dose slowly in 20mcg increments every 2-3 days. You will most likely be jittery, but you should not feel sick on excessively trembly. Increase the dose to that point, and hold it there. THere next on period can begin at that dose. THere is no need to pyramid up or down once you know your maximal tolerable and effective dose. Ephedrine should be used in same manner. Find the set point and stick with that dose. By all means though, step up gradually if you have never used these compounds before. They are not like androgens in that an accute excessive dose can kill you. IMO, they are the most deadly of the commonly used bodybuilding drugs, except for diuretics.
Now, while neither ephedrine, nor any of the other beta agonists, have any noticeable anabolic effects, clenbuterol does. It does stimulate muscle-specific protein anabolism that is in part due to beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonism. Rats that have the beta2 receptor knocked out do not show any of the anabolic or innervation effects of clen. So the beta2 receptor is required, but probably not sufficient, since other beta agonists do not have clens anabolic effects.
Clenbuterol is able to produce effects similar to innervation in muscle fibers that have been denervated. It effects expression of neurotropic (compounds normally stimulated or released by neurons) compounds such as IGF-II and an entire host of other signaling proteins, and greatly inhances local muscle expression of IGF-1 and the various binding proteins involved. It is used clinically in patients with neuronal damage, which is normally associated with extreme muscle wasting. The innervation effects are totally unique to clen, as far as I know. This innervation is the most important feature of clen anabolism. It would in effect make ones muscles much more effecient. This is readily apparent as the rapid increases in strength seen with initiation of clen usage. It could potential be dangerous however. Depending on the severity, the increase in muscle contractility combined with greater motor unit activation could override the inherent protective effects the muscle has in place and injuries could result. This is only for very extreme cases, but still worth mentioning. THe more and more I look into clen, the more and more I think it has the potential to be very useful for bodybuilders and other strength athletes.
Another very interesting and unique effect it that when clen is combined with triodothyronine (T3), there is a change of phenotype of slow twitch muscle fibers to fast twitch. This could have major implications to bodybuilders, since the fast twitch fibers have a much greater capacity for growth. The activity of several ribosomal proteins involved in protein synthesis is also heavily increased. How important this is to muscle hypertrophy I don't know. The studies I have seen are all in rats however, and they do not say the dosing used, so I can't say what doses caused these effects. THat being said, rats physiology and metabolism is highly analogus to humans, so the data seen with rat studies is probably applicable to humans.
More to come later.
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Fuck harder when you get home on the weekends 8)
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low carbs, cardio, and clen/eca like the homie block said.
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I guess I will answer your question this way. My latest client was Betty Pariso. I trained her for the Ms. International. Now, whether you like womens BB or not is beside the point. I am using this as an example of how I diet people and get them into shape. I started working with Betty 8 weeks out. I put her on zero to low carb (she had some veggies daily). She weighed 166 when we started and she weighed 157 5 days out. She had a total of 7 carb days in those 8 weeks. When she stepped on stage she had not had any carbs in her diet for 6 days. I did not carb her up, I did not restrict water and I did not use diuretics. She came in the best shape of her life. Although I did not keep track of her lean body mass she most likey gained a pounds or two of muscle. It is a total myth that your body prefers muscle to fat when you diet CORRECTLY! Betty did nothing different this year other than the diet she followed. So, now everyone can chime in and tell me why what I do is wrong and will not work. ;D Even though I have been doing this on people for years with great success and even when people swear to me that it will not work for them. ::)
Betty listened to me 100% and had total faith. She is a machine and is a very disciplined person and I am still amazed that she can look like that for 51.
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I guess I will answer your question this way. My latest client was Betty Pariso. I trained her for the Ms. International. Now, whether you like womens BB or not is beside the point. I am using this as an example of how I diet people and get them into shape. I started working with Betty 8 weeks out. I put her on zero to low carb (she had some veggies daily). She weighed 166 when we started and she weighed 157 5 days out. She had a total of 7 carb days in those 8 weeks. When she stepped on stage she had not had any carbs in her diet for 6 days. I did not carb her up, I did not restrict water and I did not use diuretics. She came in the best shape of her life. Although I did not keep track of her lean body mass she most likey gained a pounds or two of muscle. It is a total myth that your body prefers muscle to fat when you diet CORRECTLY! Betty did nothing different this year other than the diet she followed. So, now everyone can chime in and tell me why what I do is wrong and will not work. ;D Even though I have been doing this on people for years with great success and even when people swear to me that it will not work for them. ::)
Betty listened to me 100% and had total faith. She is a machine and is a very disciplined person and I am still amazed that she can look like that for 51.
Alright Mr, and just where did the Krispy Kreams and Big Macs fit in at :P??
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I guess I will answer your question this way. My latest client was Betty Pariso. I trained her for the Ms. International. Now, whether you like womens BB or not is beside the point. I am using this as an example of how I diet people and get them into shape. I started working with Betty 8 weeks out. I put her on zero to low carb (she had some veggies daily). She weighed 166 when we started and she weighed 157 5 days out. She had a total of 7 carb days in those 8 weeks. When she stepped on stage she had not had any carbs in her diet for 6 days. I did not carb her up, I did not restrict water and I did not use diuretics. She came in the best shape of her life. Although I did not keep track of her lean body mass she most likey gained a pounds or two of muscle. It is a total myth that your body prefers muscle to fat when you diet CORRECTLY! Betty did nothing different this year other than the diet she followed. So, now everyone can chime in and tell me why what I do is wrong and will not work. ;D Even though I have been doing this on people for years with great success and even when people swear to me that it will not work for them. ::)
Betty listened to me 100% and had total faith. She is a machine and is a very disciplined person and I am still amazed that she can look like that for 51.
Can you please give numbers( grams per lb and %) for cals and protein intake before and during the diet?
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Alright Mr, and just where did the Krispy Kreams and Big Macs fit in at :P??
Actually the they did on Saturdays only. ;D
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Actually the they did on Saturdays only. ;D
so YOU are the creator of this cruel and unusual diet.... i was wondering that
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Can you please give numbers( grams per lb and %) for cals and protein intake before and during the diet?
I can't bro cause I never really count. I have been doing this so long I just guestamate in the beginning and adjust from there.
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so YOU are the creator of this cruel and unusual diet.... i was wondering that
Sorry. :-[
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wow im really inpressed.. she looks great, especially for 51. Im anxious to see what king will look like.
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wow im really inpressed.. she looks great, especially for 51. Im anxious to see what king will look like.
She hugged me at the SF show in 2005. She popped my upper back and it felt really good.
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as i said before
why dont you go and buy yourself a nice stack of bronkaid and use according to your bodyweight,,2-3 times a day,,add some caffeine and aspirin and see what happens within 30-60 days
if you want to keep all the muscle add: eq,,primobolan, trenbolone enanthate, masteron enanthate, and some testosterone so you are happy happy and dont lose even 1/10 of muscle tissue,,i suggest LONG ESTERS ON ALL.
try it and you will see that its not a rocket science,,also i suggest for a complete ripped down to the 5-6% zone you play with the carbs as in minimal carbs 4-5 days then 1 day high carbs
the bronkaid by itself with some caffeine will get the typical bodybuilder that starts with 12% down to 8% in no time,,rest is up to diet and hormones
we all work this way,,,you are no diff my friend
ZERO CARDIO NEEDED,,unless you like doing cardio,,then you wil get there even faster
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as i said before
why dont you go and buy yourself a nice stack of bronkaid and use according to your bodyweight,,2-3 times a day,,add some caffeine and aspirin and see what happens within 30-60 days
if you want to keep all the muscle add: eq,,primobolan, trenbolone enanthate, masteron enanthate, and some testosterone so you are happy happy and dont lose even 1/10 of muscle tissue,,i suggest LONG ESTERS ON ALL.
try it and you will see that its not a rocket science,,also i suggest for a complete ripped down to the 5-6% zone you play with the carbs as in minimal carbs 4-5 days then 1 day high carbs
the bronkaid by itself with some caffeine will get the typical bodybuilder that starts with 12% down to 8% in no time,,rest is up to diet and hormones
we all work this way,,,you are no diff my friend
ZERO CARDIO NEEDED,,unless you like doing cardio,,then you wil get there even faster
DgeeHAich15, How about a fatass like me with decent mass but hoovering at 15bf @ 250?
Any hope or should I give up and start dating fat chicks? 8)
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DgeeHAich15, How about a fatass like me with decent mass but hoovering at 15bf @ 250?
Any hope or should I give up and start dating fat chicks? 8)
well,,you got the bodyfat% right :D
you just need to cut on the carbs 5 low 1 high and do the eca,,,your last problem is muscle mass,,youll be surprized how ripped you can get when you got enough muscle mass,,its also a lot easier for a guy like you to get ripped,,at 9-10% you will look phenominal with all abs shown,,try it youre not that far
oh i forgot,,fat girls need love too,,someone here said they suck dick better too,,so you may wanna try them ;)
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Yeah Alex 23 has the right idea...But to bump up your losses PM me for the cardio secret to getting toatally ripped and shredded...In contest shape at 8%...I take home 1st every time, and an Overall or two...
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6 WEEKS IS MORE than enough to lose 12 lbs of fat.
You just need to create enough deficit.
Simple as can be.
Groundbreaking Discovery. Way to go Apenis.
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Fuck harder when you get home on the weekends 8)
I gotta agree with the big guy. This works too
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DgeeHAich15, How about a fatass like me with decent mass but hoovering at 15bf @ 250?
Any hope or should I give up and start dating fat chicks? 8)
umm..that is not 15% BF alex
looks more like 22%+
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I guess I will answer your question this way. My latest client was Betty Pariso. I trained her for the Ms. International. Now, whether you like womens BB or not is beside the point. I am using this as an example of how I diet people and get them into shape. I started working with Betty 8 weeks out. I put her on zero to low carb (she had some veggies daily). She weighed 166 when we started and she weighed 157 5 days out. She had a total of 7 carb days in those 8 weeks. When she stepped on stage she had not had any carbs in her diet for 6 days. I did not carb her up, I did not restrict water and I did not use diuretics. She came in the best shape of her life. Although I did not keep track of her lean body mass she most likey gained a pounds or two of muscle. It is a total myth that your body prefers muscle to fat when you diet CORRECTLY! Betty did nothing different this year other than the diet she followed. So, now everyone can chime in and tell me why what I do is wrong and will not work. ;D Even though I have been doing this on people for years with great success and even when people swear to me that it will not work for them. ::)
Betty listened to me 100% and had total faith. She is a machine and is a very disciplined person and I am still amazed that she can look like that for 51.
so disqusted, you basically recommend what duchaine did, which was super low to no carbs for 5 or 6 days and then a "carb loading day" to keep the metabolism guessing?
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Hey DISGUSTED,
What's up? Watcha doin? It's me...BlockHead. Hey man...
Can you speak on the 'Palumbo Diet' which is basically 6 days of zero carbs and increased fat(s) with one day of a very high carby/shit meal to kickstart the diet all over again?
What's your stance on it as it seems to be gaining lots of popularity as of late.
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Hey DISGUSTED,
What's up? Watcha doin? It's me...BlockHead. Hey man...
Can you speak on the 'Palumbo Diet' which is basically 6 days of zero carbs and increased fat(s) with one day of a very high carby/shit meal to kickstart the diet all over again?
What's your stance on it as it seems to be gaining lots of popularity as of late.
this is pretty much what BodyOpus is, except duchaine takes it really far if I remember right. He doesn't pull any punches in that book at all, talks alot about gear and what compounds are gonna get you ripped asap.
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Hey DISGUSTED,
What's up? Watcha doin? It's me...BlockHead. Hey man...
Can you speak on the 'Palumbo Diet' which is basically 6 days of zero carbs and increased fat(s) with one day of a very high carby/shit meal to kickstart the diet all over again?
What's your stance on it as it seems to be gaining lots of popularity as of late.
yes please expand
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as i said before
why dont you go and buy yourself a nice stack of bronkaid and use according to your bodyweight,,2-3 times a day,,add some caffeine and aspirin and see what happens within 30-60 days
if you want to keep all the muscle add: eq,,primobolan, trenbolone enanthate, masteron enanthate, and some testosterone so you are happy happy and dont lose even 1/10 of muscle tissue,,i suggest LONG ESTERS ON ALL.
try it and you will see that its not a rocket science,,also i suggest for a complete ripped down to the 5-6% zone you play with the carbs as in minimal carbs 4-5 days then 1 day high carbs
the bronkaid by itself with some caffeine will get the typical bodybuilder that starts with 12% down to 8% in no time,,rest is up to diet and hormones
we all work this way,,,you are no diff my friend
ZERO CARDIO NEEDED,,unless you like doing cardio,,then you wil get there even faster
GH, why long esters, as opposed to like tren acetate? And how does one incorporate anavar with ECA, or should it be done at all? Thanks
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this is pretty much what BodyOpus is, except duchaine takes it really far if I remember right. He doesn't pull any punches in that book at all, talks alot about gear and what compounds are gonna get you ripped asap.
Duchaine did not advocate a shit meal really, he wanted bodybuilders to carb up with a dextrose/maltodextrin drink god awful tasting cause you were packing 300 grams of carbs in 15-20 oz. He suggested the cereal route for the joe blows reading the book or if you wanted to mess with it. Chubby chicks can suck a golf ball through a water hose, they really suck not just some slober oral action, friends may give you some shit, but you will catch em with her sooner or later
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Duchaine did not advocate a shit meal really, he wanted bodybuilders to carb up with a dextrose/maltodextrin drink god awful tasting cause you were packing 300 grams of carbs in 15-20 oz. He suggested the cereal route for the joe blows reading the book or if you wanted to mess with it. Chubby chicks can suck a golf ball through a water hose, they really suck not just some slober oral action, friends may give you some shit, but you will catch em with her sooner or later
mmmmmkay. I read the book or parts of it about 3 years ago, I'm natty so alot of it was drug related which I don't have a problem with but it really didn't apply to me, I don't remember everything all that well that's why I'm asking.
the bolded part of your response is a little odd......but hey, it's all good. Don't know how it applies to this but whatever. :D
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Haha yeah it's in response to GH15's post.
Yeah I've read the book a few times, he tossed the idea of cereal out there. I tried the diet but workouts sucked, energy was always to low and I could not stomach the food. The weekend glycogen load sucked for me, I felt so sick. Good information but now it's dated.
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So are ketones, which the body will not produce in the presence of carbs.
The body wont need to produce them in the presence of carbs.. .and leptin levels wont plummit either.
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eh, 24%
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GH, why long esters, as opposed to like tren acetate? And how does one incorporate anavar with ECA, or should it be done at all? Thanks
because your ass is no pillow,,you want 2 injection days a week not 7,,long easter will do the job better,,especially if not competing
anavar at 80-100mg a day devided into 3 doses through out the day,,make sure the anavar is legit because it is one of the top drugs that scammers love to play with
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Hey DISGUSTED,
What's up? Watcha doin? It's me...BlockHead. Hey man...
Can you speak on the 'Palumbo Diet' which is basically 6 days of zero carbs and increased fat(s) with one day of a very high carby/shit meal to kickstart the diet all over again?
What's your stance on it as it seems to be gaining lots of popularity as of late.
I am familiar with his diet and he has had great success with it. I was not aware that he used a carb up meal with it. This "type" if diet has been around for many years. I was and still am doing this type of diet since the early 80's although I have modified it, but it was around way before that. People ask me all the time what makes my diet so succesfull and the main reason I would have to say is knowing when to change the diet around. When to lower or raise calories and when to add some carbs in and how many. Everyone is different so it really would not matter if I laid out someone's diet for people to see. When I train someone I train them as an idividual. Also, you need to remember something else. You can have two guys on stage with both the same level of BF and one can look ripped and the other soft. This has to do with water and other things. This is a whole other subject.
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So disgusted. I was right and my friend was wrong???
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hahahaha, exactly, it always makes me laugh when these clowns think the answer is to totally eliminate a macronutrient like carbs but then defeat the whole purpose by eating twice as much protein thus leaving the total caloric intake exactly the same, morons.
The answer is not so easy. Both diets could work to lose 12 pounds of fat. The question is which one would be the most efficient as far as losing BF and gaining or atleast maintaining muscle. Yours would be the better choice although not ideal imo.
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You can have two guys on stage with both the same level of BF and one can look ripped and the other soft. This has to do with water and other things. This is a whole other subject.
Can you elaborate more on that Tom?
Did I say Tom? I meant 'Disgusted'.
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Can you elaborate more on that Tom?
Did I say Tom? I meant 'Disgusted'.
Actually it's Jim. :) Can you be more specific on what you are asking?
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yes i dont quite understand either