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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Kegdrainer on March 21, 2007, 07:11:47 AM
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People need to stop referring to bodybuilders as athletes. A bodybuilding show is all politics, and demonstrate absolutely NO athleticism. Weightlifting is a quantifiably measurable event, even bowling requires development of an athletic skill where someone has to apply their skill in accurately rolling a ball. Merely lifting weights, restricting your diet, and taking a shit ton of drugs does not make someone an athlete. People in competitive sports do all these things also, but they then apply their hard work towards some type of sport, ie...football, rugby, baseball, boxing, etc...
Results of bodybuilding contests are not determined in any way by the athleticism of the competitors. Do we call Miss USA pageant athletes? Bodybuilders are the same as these women. Looking ripped is not a sport. Would you compare flexxing your front double to throwing a 100 mph fastball? I wouldn't.
Stop calling these sideshow freaks athletes.
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People need to stop referring to bodybuilders as athletes. A bodybuilding show is all politics, and demonstrate absolutely NO athleticism. Weightlifting is a quantifiably measurable event, even bowling requires development of an athletic skill where someone has to apply their skill in accurately rolling a ball. Merely lifting weights, restricting your diet, and taking a shit ton of drugs does not make someone an athlete. People in competitive sports do all these things also, but they then apply their hard work towards some type of sport, ie...football, rugby, baseball, boxing, etc...
Results of bodybuilding contests are not determined in any way by the athleticism of the competitors. Do we call Miss USA pageant athletes? Bodybuilders are the same as these women. Looking ripped is not a sport. Would you compare flexxing your front double to throwing a 100 mph fastball? I wouldn't.
Stop calling these sideshow freaks athletes.
Translation: Bob come talk to me...I'm lonely. :'(
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People need to stop referring to bodybuilders as athletes. A bodybuilding show is all politics, and demonstrate absolutely NO athleticism. Weightlifting is a quantifiably measurable event, even bowling requires development of an athletic skill where someone has to apply their skill in accurately rolling a ball. Merely lifting weights, restricting your diet, and taking a shit ton of drugs does not make someone an athlete. People in competitive sports do all these things also, but they then apply their hard work towards some type of sport, ie...football, rugby, baseball, boxing, etc...
Results of bodybuilding contests are not determined in any way by the athleticism of the competitors. Do we call Miss USA pageant athletes? Bodybuilders are the same as these women. Looking ripped is not a sport. Would you compare flexxing your front double to throwing a 100 mph fastball? I wouldn't.
Stop calling these sideshow freaks athletes.
No.. Here is a good example. Every sport i play i usually suck at. I have no balance what so ever. I have played just about every sport there is and suck at it and i knew i sucked at it. Bodybuilding on the other hand i know i have huge potential at and will be very good at once i fully develope. Hope this helps
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No.. Here is a good example. Every sport i play i usually suck at. I have no balance what so ever. I have played just about every sport there is and suck at it and i knew i sucked at it. Bodybuilding on the other hand i know i have huge potential at and will be very good at once i fully develope. Hope this helps
your post only backs up my question. You admittedly suck at sports and are NOT AN ATHLETE. Therefore bodybuilding (which is not an athletic competition) is right for you? Guess what, you're still not an athlete. Some 40 year old suburb dad who plays league flag football in the town park on saturday afternoons is more of an athlete than a bodybuilder.
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your post only backs up my question. You admittedly suck at sports and are NOT AN ATHLETE. Therefore bodybuilding (which is not an athletic competition) is right for you? Guess what, you're still not an athlete. Some 40 year old suburb dad who plays league flag football in the town park on saturday afternoons is more of an athlete than a bodybuilder.
Maybe you didn't catch the meaning of my post but im AGREEING with you.
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if Golfer john Daly is considered an Athlete, than yes, Bodybuilders are definitely athletes
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the origin of the word athlete is from the greek athelete, (you can still see part of the root in other events like biathalon, or decathalon)
The meaning of the root is actually to compete for a prize. This could mean spelling bee. By the meaning of the word itself, any competitive bodybuilder is an athlete, but in the same aspect that an 8th grader trying to spell is.
i would bet there are ifbb pros with worse spelling skills than these kids too....
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Fishing is also a sport.... :). ESPN would broadcast fishing tournaments all day, but will never Air a single clip from the Olympia or ASC. hmm, I wonder why ???
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maybe because its a popularity contest that is more about politics, and the "athletes" are spending more time doing gay photo shoots for their drug money than they spend in the gym working out.
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if Golfer john Daly is considered an Athlete, than yes, Bodybuilders are definitely athletes
Obviously sporting the GH gut. They need to start doping in golf its geting ridiculous ;D
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Obviously sporting the GH gut. They need to start doping in golf its geting ridiculous ;D
exactly lol
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I always get a kick out of people giving their opinion on whether or not BBers are athletes, who are fat, out of shape, and wouldn't have the slightest clue to what it takes to compete...
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I always get a kick out of people giving their opinion on whether or not BBers are athletes, who are fat, out of shape, and wouldn't have the slightest clue to what it takes to compete...
Ok "chick" come to buffalo on the 31st for the NGA olympus then, unless you're gonna be busy beating your wife.
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maybe the World strongest man contest bring more to ESPN than would bodybuilding. Obviously, there has to be an interest on the viewers part, but I'm always baffled on why bodybuilding will continously be a word of mouth. it's still in a primitive stage in the mainstream media, maybe they have too many doubts about the sport, I don't know. But I believe to some degree a bodybuilder is an athlete. We can argue all we want about this
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People need to stop referring to bodybuilders as athletes. A bodybuilding show is all politics, and demonstrate absolutely NO athleticism. Weightlifting is a quantifiably measurable event, even bowling requires development of an athletic skill where someone has to apply their skill in accurately rolling a ball. Merely lifting weights, restricting your diet, and taking a shit ton of drugs does not make someone an athlete. People in competitive sports do all these things also, but they then apply their hard work towards some type of sport, ie...football, rugby, baseball, boxing, etc...
Results of bodybuilding contests are not determined in any way by the athleticism of the competitors. Do we call Miss USA pageant athletes? Bodybuilders are the same as these women. Looking ripped is not a sport. Would you compare flexxing your front double to throwing a 100 mph fastball? I wouldn't.
Stop calling these sideshow freaks athletes.
Who shit in your cereal?
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Ok "chick" come to buffalo on the 31st for the NGA olympus then, unless you're gonna be busy beating your wife.
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OK, "Keg".....
Are you saying you'll be competing in a BB show on that date?
31st of what month and year.....2012?
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if Golfer john Daly is considered an Athlete, than yes, Bodybuilders are definitely athletes
HAHAHAHA... good call! :D
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One things for sure, 'kegdrainer', you're not an athlete ;D
Are bodybuilders athletes? YES.
Is bodybuilding a sport? NO.
Is bodybuilding the best thing on the planet [other than teenage pussy]? YES!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok "chick" come to buffalo on the 31st for the NGA olympus then, unless you're gonna be busy beating your wife.
OK, "Keg".....
Are you saying you'll be competing in a BB show on that date?
31st of what month and year.....2012?
31st of this month, a week from saturday. Any schmuck with the internet or a couple magazines can tell you everything you need to know about competitive bodybuilding. You don't need to be a fuckin brain surgeon to figure it out.
Any other pearls of wisdom from the human pincushion?
by the way, nice job fucking up the quoting feature
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im not an athlete? dart league at the pub is as much a sport as bodybuilding by the actual definition of the word.
I would bet ESPN shows more darts than they show bodybuilding.
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OK, "Keg".....
Are you saying you'll be competing in a BB show on that date?
31st of what month and year.....2012?
31st of this month, a week from saturday. Any schmuck with the internet or a couple magazines can tell you everything you need to know about competitive bodybuilding. You don't need to be a fuckin brain surgeon to figure it out.
Any other pearls of wisdom from the human pincushion?
by the way, nice job fucking up the quoting feature
I'll ask once again since it seemed to escape you...are you competing in a BB show on the 31st??
btw...nice job fucking up your physique..!
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If you have to lift weights and run...then you are an athlete
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If you have to lift weights and run...then you are an athlete
bodybuilders have to run?
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I'll ask once again since it seemed to escape you...are you competing in a BB show on the 31st??
btw...nice job fucking up your physique..!
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NO, bbers are NOT athletes!
Reason---> In order for a BBER to be an athlete the chosen event would require a Skill or athletic talent or ability. BBing is neither.
-----> You are JUDGED on your appearance!---> NOT your PERFORMANCE
If bbers are athletes then that would make Ms Universe Pagents and bikini contestants also athletes.
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If you have to lift weights and run...then you are an athlete
If a constentant for the Ms Universe or HAwaii'n Tropic Swimsuite ran and lifted before a contest would that make them an athlete?
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If you have to lift weights and run...then you are an athlete
When have you EVER seen a bber RUN and LIFT WTS on STAGE?
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bodybuilders have to run?
Kegdrainer,
Do you work out ??? Please don't tell me you do because if you did you would not be making such a complete idiotic statments.
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Kegdrainer,
Do you work out ??? Please don't tell me you do because if you did you would not be making such a complete idiotic statments.
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After that statement...im sure he dosent work out.
and no bodybuilders dont run around on stage...but if to get ready for competetion you have to run and lift weights...then you are an athlete
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After that statement...im sure he dosent work out.
and no bodybuilders dont run around on stage...but if to get ready for competetion you have to run and lift weights...then you are an athlete
SO if a gamer likes to run 2 miles a day to improve quality of life and lower blood pressure which could contribute to his improved performance in a Gamer tourny would that make him an athlete?
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bodybuilders athletes??? ahaahhahhahahahahaha
the only people that would claim such foolishness would be the dorks that could never play a real sport growing up, excluding buttsuck. he seems to get it and doesnt live in fantasy land.
im sure some ms usa chicks diet, do cardio, and lift weights before their competitions, are they "athletes" too then?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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SO if a gamer likes to run 2 miles a day to improve quality of life and lower blood pressure which could contribute to his improved performance in a Gamer tourny would that make him an athlete?
TO get ready/prepare for competetion...if you must run and lift weights i consider that a athlete...
thats like saying if i drive to work im a race car driver in training....
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Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
THIS is the WEBSTER Definition of "Athlete"
---> During a BBing show " Physical strength, agility or stamina" is NOT tested and scored!
----> During a BBing Show there is no SKILL or TRAINING graded by the judges!
By DEFINITION BBErs ARE NOT athletes.
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ok, someone show bob how to post please, all that grease has seeped into what's left of his brain.
No bob, i will not be competing. I work for the NGA, as i have for the past 6 years. the promoter pays me to show up
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SO if a gamer likes to run 2 miles a day to improve quality of life and lower blood pressure which could contribute to his improved performance in a Gamer tourny would that make him an athlete?
So if I play Football on the weekends does that make me an athlete?....What kind of question is that? That is WHY you have recreational and professional athletes. Anyone engage in phisical activity may be defined as an athlete. Hope that helps.
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So if I play Football on the weekends does that make me an athlete?....What kind of question is that? That is WHY you have recreational and professional athletes. Anyone engage in phisical activity may be defined as an athlete. Hope that helps.
I just listed the DEFINITION according to websters:
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
SO NO your Definition is WRONG.
BBING competition does not REQUIRE Physical strength, agility or stamina. THEREFORE by Definition bbers cant be athletes.
HOpe this helps.
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bodybuilders athletes??? ahaahhahhahahahahaha
the only people that would claim such foolishness would be the dorks that could never play a real sport growing up, excluding buttsuck. he seems to get it and doesnt live in fantasy land.
im sure some ms usa chicks diet, do cardio, and lift weights before their competitions, are they "athletes" too then?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I played Football all my life and now im starting i competetive bodybuilding.....dude bodybuilding is way touger than football. maybe because i played it from thetime i was 8 until i was 22...but either way its easier than bodybuilding. by far.
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Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
THIS is the WEBSTER Definition of "Athlete"
---> During a BBing show " Physical strength, agility or stamina" is NOT tested and scored!
----> During a BBing Show there is no SKILL or TRAINING graded by the judges!
By DEFINITION BBErs ARE NOT athletes.
UHHH " Trained in exercises" ...Let time a check the bench press/Deadlift....were a exercise....again DO YOU WORK OUT??? I am really
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re -read the difinition . Trained in exercises THAT REQUIRE PHYSICAL STRENGTH,AGILITY or STAMINA.
Bodybuilding Competitions DO not require any of those traits... they simply require that you LOOK GOOD!
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I played Football all my life and now im starting i competetive bodybuilding.....dude bodybuilding is way touger than football. maybe because i played it from thetime i was 8 until i was 22...but either way its easier than bodybuilding. by far.
answer the question. if a ms usa competitor diets, does cardio, and lifts weights to get her body in the best shape for her BEAUTY pageant, is she an athlete?
HAHAHAHA
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I just listed the DEFINITION according to websters:
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
SO NO your Definition is WRONG.
BBING competition does not REQUIRE Physical strength, agility or stamina. THEREFORE by Definition bbers cant be athletes.
HOpe this helps.
Please Did you just said that bodybuildig does not Reguire Physical Strength..........OHHHH GOD!!!!!.........DO YOU WORK OUT????
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I played Football all my life and now im starting i competetive bodybuilding.....dude bodybuilding is way touger than football. maybe because i played it from thetime i was 8 until i was 22...but either way its easier than bodybuilding. by far.
Serriously MAl, You must have played some seriously pu$$y football if you really think it is WAY easier then BBing. LOL ::)
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Please Did you just said that bodybuildig does not Reguire Physical Strength..........OHHHH GOD!!!!!.........DO YOU WORK OUT????
Please tell me that last show you went to where a Judge asked a competitor how much be could deadlift?
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what a jerkoff. Bodybuilders dont have to run EVER
cardio just requires raising the heartrate to specific levels for fat burning.
Running is probably more efficient than most types of cardio, but elliptical trainers, bikes, even rowing can be used for cardio. Running is not a requirement for bodybuilding.
maybe you've never seen any bodybuilders in wheelchairs either... douchebag
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they are athletes
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Please Did you just said that bodybuildig does not Reguire Physical Strength..........OHHHH GOD!!!!!.........DO YOU WORK OUT????
Your confusing POwerlifting with BBing.
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ok, someone show bob how to post please, all that grease has seeped into what's left of his brain.
No bob, i will not be competing. I work for the NGA, as i have for the past 6 years. the promoter pays me to show up
Great...what the hell is the NGA? And why are you there? Is it a hot dog eating contest...?
Why are you asking me to show up there...?
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Please tell me that last show you went to where a Judge asked a competitor how much be could deadlift?
All The athletes in the world work out as part of their regiment to improve performance in their sport. No one ask a Football player how much he bench after a Touch Down. That is a consenquence of trainning regiment. If that was not a factor why do they keep such accurate stats in such exercise?
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People need to stop referring to bodybuilders as athletes. A bodybuilding show is all politics, and demonstrate absolutely NO athleticism. Weightlifting is a quantifiably measurable event, even bowling requires development of an athletic skill where someone has to apply their skill in accurately rolling a ball. Merely lifting weights, restricting your diet, and taking a shit ton of drugs does not make someone an athlete. People in competitive sports do all these things also, but they then apply their hard work towards some type of sport, ie...football, rugby, baseball, boxing, etc...
Results of bodybuilding contests are not determined in any way by the athleticism of the competitors. Do we call Miss USA pageant athletes? Bodybuilders are the same as these women. Looking ripped is not a sport. Would you compare flexxing your front double to throwing a 100 mph fastball? I wouldn't.
Stop calling these sideshow freaks athletes.
I swear this is not my gimmick account........but It's what I've always said for over 25 years......BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT ATHLETES!
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I swear this is not my gimmick account........but It's what I've always said for over 25 years......BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT ATHLETES!
bitter ::)
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Serriously MAl, You must have played some seriously pu$$y football if you really think it is WAY easier then BBing. LOL ::)
No not really Playing middle linebacker is so easy it isnt funny,,,I played At the D2 level and it was exremely competetive...yeah you had your days in football like the first week of training camp is tough...but 16 weeks of dieting...give me a fucking break...i could get through a 12 week season on cruise control after the 5th week....but bodybuilding is much more taxing...I could play middle in mysleep...i
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Typically people who never experienced success at athletics/sports at the scholastic or collegiate level are the very ones to Fight "tooth-n-nail" to prove that Bodybuilders are athletes.
Their argument is that with the physical activity that they invest to prepare for a competition that SURELY that would constitute them as athletes. Although this is a nobel argument it is not the training for competition but the actual COMPETITION that garners the definition.
There is no Skill or talent or strength Quality required on a bodybuilding stage. You are judged on 1 thing only , and that is your appearance! HOW YOU LOOK. Therefore bbing is the SAME as a Hawaiian Tropic contestant or a Ms Universe.
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No not really Playing middle linebacker is so easy it isnt funny,,,I played At the D2 level and it was exremely competetive...yeah you had your days in football like the first week of training camp is tough...but 16 weeks of dieting...give me a fucking break...i could get through a 12 week season on cruise control after the 5th week....but bodybuilding is much more taxing...I could play middle in mysleep...i
D2? Seriously bro they dont even give scholarships.
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Athletes = Strength, speed, agility, balance, conditioning (not onstage conditioning)!
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I swear this is not my gimmick account........but It's what I've always said for over 25 years......BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT ATHLETES!
So because you couldn't cut it as a BB, you have to rain on everyone else's parade?
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No not really Playing middle linebacker is so easy it isnt funny,,,I played At the D2 level and it was exremely competetive...yeah you had your days in football like the first week of training camp is tough...but 16 weeks of dieting...give me a fucking break...i could get through a 12 week season on cruise control after the 5th week....but bodybuilding is much more taxing...I could play middle in mysleep...i
just another guy that wants to make bodybuilding seem harder than it actually is so he can feel special. eat, sleep, lift weights, and if you are into it, stick needles throughout your body, ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh so tough.
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Great...what the hell is the NGA? And why are you there? Is it a hot dog eating contest...?
Why are you asking me to show up there...?
Natural Gym Association. It's a natrual organization, good competition with over 50 bodybuilders competing.
If you knew how to use the intertron you could look it up.
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All The athletes in the world work out as part of their regiment to improve performance in their sport. No one ask a Football player how much he bench after a Touch Down. That is a consenquence of trainning regiment. If that was not a factor why do they keep such accurate stats in such exercise?
Explained in prev post
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Athletes = Strength, speed, agility, balance, conditioning (not onstage conditioning)!
dude if you have to get physical..then you are an athlete. IMO...sheeit..how the hell are bowlers, golfers, race drivers, called athlets and not bodybuilders.
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Typically people who never experienced success at athletics/sports at the scholastic or collegiate level are the very ones to Fight "tooth-n-nail" to prove that Bodybuilders are athletes.
Their argument is that with the physical activity that they invest to prepare for a competition that SURELY that would constitute them as athletes. Although this is a nobel argument it is not the training for competition but the actual COMPETITION that garners the definition.
There is no Skill or talent or strength Quality required on a bodybuilding stage. You are judged on 1 thing only , and that is your appearance! HOW YOU LOOK. Therefore bbing is the SAME as a Hawaiian Tropic contestant or a Ms Universe.
Hawaiian Troic contestant is not judge by the amount of muscle mass she has. The composition of Muscle REQUIRE exercise. And Again IF you work out you would know that right!!!!
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Bodybuilders are athletes!
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dude if you have to get physical..then you are an athlete. IMO...sheeit..how the hell are bowlers, golfers, race drivers, called athlets and not bodybuilders.
Good question mal, and here is why golfers, bowlers ets are considered athletes and bbers are not.
All those sports REQUIRE a skill level or talent or strength quality to perform. Bodybuilders dont have to exhibit any TALENT, SKILL or Strength Quality during a bodybuilding show. Make sense?
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So because you couldn't cut it as a BB, you have to rain on everyone else's parade?
No, but I promise if I would have persued turning pro, It would have taken a hell of alot less than 15 years!
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Ok "chick" come to buffalo on the 31st for the NGA olympus then, unless you're gonna be busy beating your wife.
OK...so you still don't answer the question...are you going to be competing as a natural BB in this NGA show?
If not...why do you want me to come there?
Your argument is that BBers are not athletes...I respond by saying a man with your "qualities" has no business making such a statement...and your response it to invite me to a BB contest that your NOT competing in to prove your point??
Lay off the keg- drainer..!
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dude if you have to get physical..then you are an athlete. IMO...sheeit..how the hell are bowlers, golfers, race drivers, called athlets and not bodybuilders.
I forgot to add SKILL in that list!
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Hawaiian Troic contestant is not judge by the amount of muscle mass she has. The composition of Muscle REQUIRE exercise. And Again IF you work out you would know that right!!!!
hahahahahaha
these girls lift to look their best, and some probably train harder than alot of bodybuilders. they must be athletes too.
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Hawaiian Troic contestant is not judge by the amount of muscle mass she has. The composition of Muscle REQUIRE exercise. And Again IF you work out you would know that right!!!!
Evil Angel you are really grasping for air now. Where in the definition of "Athlete does it say anything about muscle mass? LOL
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
GIVE UP BRO! Your just the same as a Ms America constant lol
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No, but I promise if I would have persued turning pro, It would have taken a hell of alot less than 15 years!
I'm not sure you realize how stupid that statement was.....
Here's a newsflash for you...there are different types of athletes, and sports forthat matter. The chip on your shoulder is a mile wide, bro....you didn't have what it took, face the reality that you tried and failed...no reason to be bitter to everyone else that did.
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I'm not sure you realize how stupid that statement was.....
........meaning it took you something like 15 years to turn pro!
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Good question mal, and here is why golfers, bowlers ets are considered athletes and bbers are not.
All those sports REQUIRE a skill level or talent or strength quality to perform. Bodybuilders dont have to exhibit any TALENT, SKILL or Strength Quality during a bodybuilding show. Make sense?
but the means to get to a show require strength..
also...under that premise...people that throw darts are they athlets, the manipulation of an object to hit a target therefore displaying accuracy...dude thats what bowling and darts are as well as golfing...and you gonna tell me that a fool throwing a dart is an athlete.
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OK...so you still don't answer the question...are you going to be competing as a natural BB in this NGA show?
If not...why do you want me to come there?
Your argument is that BBers are not athletes...I respond by saying a man with your "qualities" has no business making such a statement...and your response it to invite me to a BB contest that your NOT competing in to prove your point??
Lay off the keg- drainer..!
I have laid off the keg. Havent had a drink since jan 1st this year. Thanks for the advice bob.
And for the second time, no im not competing. I would not pass the NGA's test for banned substances due to some recreational ( non bodybuilding related ) drug use about 5-6 years ago.
I will be at the show at the request of the promoter... If you dont feel like coming to buffalo you can show up in Rochester 2 weeks later for the Natural Northeast.
I'll be there too.
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Evil Angel you are really grasping for air now. Where in the definition of "Athlete does it say anything about muscle mass? LOL
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
GIVE UP BRO! Your just the same as a Ms America constant lol
All This discussion can be solved very easly. Just answer my question. Do you believe that to became a Pro Bodybuiliding is not sKilled in exercises(UHHH) or physical stength and stamina??? AGAIN DO YOU WORK OUT!!!!????
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but the means to get to a show require strength..
also...under that premise...people that throw darts are they athlets, the manipulation of an object to hit a target therefore displaying accuracy...dude thats what bowling and darts are as well as golfing...and you gonna tell me that a fool throwing a dart is an athlete.
Well yes to get to a show it would require some mental strength and physical strength, HOWEVER the COMPETITION its-self DOES NOT require strength! And it is the COMPETITION that DEFINES an athlete not what they do in preparation for the COMPETITION.
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All This discussion can be solved very easly. Just answer my question. Do you believe that to became a Pro Bodybuiliding is not sKilled in exercises(UHHH) or physical stength and stamina??? AGAIN DO YOU WORK OUT!!!!????
NO WHERE during a Bodybuilding COmpetition is a bodybuilder tested in physical strength, stamina and certaintly not agility lol hell most of those bafoons can barely walk on stage lol
And YES I have lifted for the last 17 years.
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I have laid off the keg. Havent had a drink since jan 1st this year. Thanks for the advice bob.
And for the second time, no im not competing. I would not pass the NGA's test for banned substances due to some recreational ( non bodybuilding related ) drug use about 5-6 years ago.
I will be at the show at the request of the promoter... If you dont feel like coming to buffalo you can show up in Rochester 2 weeks later for the Natural Northeast.
I'll be there too.
Nobody ever "feels" like coming to Buffalo in the dead of winter...sorry bro.
I'm a little busy with the business of BB.....I'l be in Hawaii this weekend hosting the Stingray classic...I'll be in Vancouver the week after that for a guest appearance for Weider/AMI...Boise ID 4/14 for the Boise Expo and B.com corporate meeting....Emerald Cup the week after that in Seattle WA.....back to LA the week after for the Orange Co. championships.
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Well yes to get to a show it would require some mental strength and physical strength, HOWEVER the COMPETITION its-self DOES NOT require strength! And it is the COMPETITION that DEFINES an athlete not what they do in preparation for the COMPETITION.
I think the athlete is defined by what it takes to compete
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I'm not sure you realize how stupid that statement was.....
Here's a newsflash for you...there are different types of athletes, and sports forthat matter. The chip on your shoulder is a mile wide, bro....you didn't have what it took, face the reality that you tried and failed...no reason to be bitter to everyone else that did.
Dude, it's not a chip, I can appreciate both bodybuilding and the skill of being an athlete, since I've been a competitive bodybuilder and I do train athletes, there is no comparison in the training regimen between athletes and bodybuilders. I use the analogy, that bodybuilders (pro or high level competitors) cannot make it through a lets say a two day combine, but it's pretty safe to say that an athlete can become a bodybuilder (competitive).
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........meaning it took you something like 15 years to turn pro!
What a bitter old man. Reduced to bashing bodybuilders over the internet and lying about his lifts. Pathetic.I have laid off the keg. Havent had a drink since jan 1st this year. Thanks for the advice bob.
And for the second time, no im not competing. I would not pass the NGA's test for banned substances due to some recreational ( non bodybuilding related ) drug use about 5-6 years ago.
I will be at the show at the request of the promoter... If you dont feel like coming to buffalo you can show up in Rochester 2 weeks later for the Natural Northeast.
I'll be there too.
What drugs are in your body for six years? Kegdrainer, if you EVER get a six pack i will asassinate Chick then jump off a bridge.
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I think the athlete is defined by what it takes to compete
Ok well WEBSTERS defines it differently,
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
But you are welcome to your OWN PERSONAL opinion.
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What a bitter old man. Reduced to bashing bodybuilders over the internet and lying about his lifts. Pathetic.What drugs are in your body for six years? Kegdrainer, if you EVER get a six pack i will asassinate Chick then jump off a bridge.
HAHAHA - he smoked a joint 6 yrs ago and thinks its still in his system
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What a bitter old man. Reduced to bashing bodybuilders over the internet and lying about his lifts.
Look at the posts jackass, he started it!
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Well yes to get to a show it would require some mental strength and physical strength, HOWEVER the COMPETITION its-self DOES NOT require strength! And it is the COMPETITION that DEFINES an athlete not what they do in preparation for the COMPETITION.
i disagree. On the stage, under the hot lights, standing in a pose requires strength. it also requires some mental stamina. I've seen people pass out on stage, and backstage from being so depleted.
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Dude, it's not a chip, I can appreciate both bodybuilding and the skill of being an athlete, since I've been a competitive bodybuilder and I do train athletes, there is no comparison in the training regimen between athletes and bodybuilders. I use the analogy, that bodybuilders (pro or high level competitors) cannot make it through a lets say a two day combine, but it's pretty safe to say that an athlete can become a bodybuilder (competitive).
Holy shit bro...stop while you're ahead, you making a complete fool of yourself....
Pro bbers don't TRAIN for running, or combines, any more than a NFL football player trains to go on a pro stage....they're TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS.
Pro bbers arent built for speed, or throwing a baseball, or skating....you know why.....?? Because we AREN'T runners, or baseball players, or skaters....were bodybuilders.
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I've seen people pass out on stage, and backstage from being so depleted.
We've also seen people die from the same thing!
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i disagree. On the stage, under the hot lights, standing in a pose requires strength. it also requires some mental stamina. I've seen people pass out on stage, and backstage from being so depleted.
Ok, fair enought but the bodybuilder is NOT being GRADED or TESTED on his Stamina or strength. ONLY on APPEARANCE!
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"Are bodybuilders athletes"?
It depends on your definition of "athlete."
If you use Webster's definition, Devon97 makes very strong arguments.
You can easily find other definitions that would include bodybuilders in the term "athlete"
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Ok, fair enought but the bodybuilder is NOT being GRADED or TESTED on his Stamina or strength. ONLY on APPEARANCE!
I agree with that!
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HAHAHA - he smoked a joint 6 yrs ago and thinks its still in his system
NGA uses a polygraph, testing 7 year history of substance usage.
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Holy shit bro...stop while you're ahead, you making a complete fool of yourself....
Pro bbers don't TRAIN for running, or combines, any more than a NFL football player trains to go on a pro stage....they're TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS.
Pro bbers arent built for speed, or throwing a baseball, or skating....you know why.....?? Because we AREN'T runners, or baseball players, or skaters....were bodybuilders.
True but your still not an athlete.
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and weed is not a banned substance
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Holy shit bro...stop while you're ahead, you making a complete fool of yourself....
Pro bbers don't TRAIN for running, or combines, any more than a NFL football player trains to go on a pro stage....they're TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS.
Pro bbers arent built for speed, or throwing a baseball, or skating....you know why.....?? Because we AREN'T runners, or baseball players, or skaters....were bodybuilders.
So how can a person (pro) be considered an "athlete" if he doesn't possess the skill of an athlete, sorry Bob, but there isn't much skill involved in bodybuilding!
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"Are bodybuilders athletes"?
It depends on your definition of "athlete."
If you use Webster's definition, Devon97 makes very strong arguments.
You can easily find other definitions that would include bodybuilders in the term "athlete"
Very True,but thankfully we have Websters to refer to.
Also according to Webster: a GOlfer , Bowler etc would NOT be considered an athlete because those sports dont require Physical strength, stamina or agility. SKILL , YES but skill is NOT listed in the Webster Definition.
Actually I take that back, a golfer must have a strong swing and bowler must have a srong arm to roll the ball.
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Well yes to get to a show it would require some mental strength and physical strength, HOWEVER the COMPETITION its-self DOES NOT require strength! And it is the COMPETITION that DEFINES an athlete not what they do in preparation for the COMPETITION.
Great seems we getting some where. Ok I do agree with you that during the competion itself does not require strength. But again Bobybuilder are judge by the amount of muscle mass/Density/shape that they have. What is a direct correlation with exercise and strength. Please ANYONE ANSWER THIS IF BODYBUILDING IS A BEATY CONTEST WHO CAN A BODYBUILDER MAKE SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGES ON HIS PLACING YEAR AFTER YEAR...HAS HE GOT MORE BEATIFUL...please let use common sense
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What a bitter old man. Reduced to bashing bodybuilders over the internet and lying about his lifts. Pathetic.What drugs are in your body for six years? Kegdrainer, if you EVER get a six pack i will asassinate Chick then jump off a bridge.
In writing, this is a legally binding contract. And from the looks of it, awfully illegal.
I better stay fat enough to keep bob alive and keep you out of jail.
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Behold............the "Athlete"!!
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Behold............the "Athlete"!!
he's more of a science project than an athlete
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Behold............the "Athlete"!!
lol...I was waiting for this pic ;D
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Behold............the "Athlete"!!
Don't be a frustraded because you were a failed bodybuilding is other things you can do like coach other bodybuilders.
What is your point Pro NFL player also use oxygen....DO YOU WORK OUT ? DO YOU WATCH FOOTBALL? WHAT IS YOU POINT PLEASE?
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we can at least consider natural bodybuilding ;)
is there anything healthy in Pro bodybuilding at all? because I'm tired of hearing the famous phrase, ALL DRUGS
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we can at least consider natural bodybuilding ;)
is there anything healthy in Pro bodybuilding at all? because I'm tired of hearing the famous phrase, ALL DRUGS
Are you trying to tell us the NFL,MLB,Boxers,Cyclists.....etc don't use roids!
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Don't be a frustraded because you were a failed bodybuilding is other things you can do like coach other bodybuilders.
What is your point Pro NFL player also use oxygen....DO YOU WORK OUT ? DO YOU WATCH FOOTBALL? WHAT IS YOU POINT PLEASE?
Yea but they use oxygen to enhance red blood cell utlization of oxygen and to enhance peak performance on the field after they just ran back a 90 yard kick off return.
They dont use Oxygen to SURVIVE walking off stage lol
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I know you're aware of what's going on in baseball right now. Nobody says NFL players are saints, they're getting busted every once in a while. Our sport, we call professional bodybuilding is built on Drugs. it is the common denominator
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Yea but they use oxygen to enhance red blood cell utlization of oxygen and to enhance peak performance on the field after they just ran back a 90 yard kick off return.
They dont use Oxygen to SURVIVE walking off stage lol
lol....I don't know which one is harder. a guy returning a 90 yard kick off, or a guy flexing out for 10 minutes and is dying for oxygen
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Great seems we getting some where. Ok I do agree with you that during the competion itself does not require strength. But again Bobybuilder are judge by the amount of muscle mass/Density/shape that they have. What is a direct correlation with exercise and strength. Please ANYONE ANSWER THIS IF BODYBUILDING IS A BEATY CONTEST HOW CAN A BODYBUILDER MAKE SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGES ON HIS PLACING YEAR AFTER YEAR...HAS HE GOT MORE BEATIFUL...please let use common sense
Please answer it.....
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it all depends on how you define the word "athlete".
it's similar to arguing the difference between a sport and a game.
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People need to stop referring to bodybuilders as athletes. A bodybuilding show is all politics, and demonstrate absolutely NO athleticism. Weightlifting is a quantifiably measurable event, even bowling requires development of an athletic skill where someone has to apply their skill in accurately rolling a ball. Merely lifting weights, restricting your diet, and taking a shit ton of drugs does not make someone an athlete. People in competitive sports do all these things also, but they then apply their hard work towards some type of sport, ie...football, rugby, baseball, boxing, etc...
Results of bodybuilding contests are not determined in any way by the athleticism of the competitors. Do we call Miss USA pageant athletes? Bodybuilders are the same as these women. Looking ripped is not a sport. Would you compare flexxing your front double to throwing a 100 mph fastball? I wouldn't.
Stop calling these sideshow freaks athletes.
I second that statement!!
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they should have all bodybuilders run a 40 yard dash before precontest.. ;D
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I know you're aware of what's going on in baseball right now. Nobody says NFL players are saints, they're getting busted every once in a while. Our sport, we call professional bodybuilding is built on Drugs. it is the common denominator
It is no.... again no test for GH or IGF-1 avalable. It is obvious the clear abuse of it on ALL major sports and Olympic games. Anyone with minimum understanding of science knows that the majority of today modified anabolics have a half life of only hours. Meaning a athlete could be taking anabolis for the whole week and be completly out of his or her blood by game day. Tests are only to satisfy the general publics perception. The science of Tests are at least 10 behind the anabolics.
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This is the definition you keep quoting
"a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina"
Where in there does it say that the exercises requiring physical strength, agility or stamina have to be exhibited in a competition? Bodybuilders are in fact skilled in exercises that requires physical strength and stamina, so by your own definition, that would make them athletes.
So, based on your judgement, would you say fitness competitors are athletes? They are judged partly on a routine that requires skill, strength and stamina and partly on how they look on stage.
Personally, I don't think anyone can make this judgement unless you've personally been through a contest prep and gotten on stage yourself.....after you do a contest prep and compete, then come back and let us know your opinion.
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This is the definition you keep quoting
"a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina"
Where in there does it say that the exercises requiring physical strength, agility or stamina have to be exhibited in a competition? Bodybuilders are in fact skilled in exercises that requires physical strength and stamina, so by your own definition, that would make them athletes.
So, based on your judgement, would you say fitness competitors are athletes? They are judged partly on a routine that requires skill, strength and stamina and partly on how they look on stage.
Personally, I don't think anyone can make this judgement unless you've personally been through a contest prep and gotten on stage yourself.....after you do a contest prep and compete, then come back and let us know your opinion.
THANK YOU
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It is no.... again no test for GH or IGF-1 avalable. It is obvious the clear abuse of it on ALL major sports and Olympic games. Anyone with minimum understanding of science knows that the majority of today modified anabolics have a half life of only hours. Meaning a athlete could be taking anabolis for the whole week and be completly out of his or her blood by game day. Tests are only to satisfy the general publics perception. The science of Tests are at least 10 behind the anabolics.
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another member with brain joins getbig
bodybuilders are athletes same as horse race riders are athletes same as curlers are athletes same as professioal surfers are athletes
we put time into our sports then go and compete agaiinst others from our sport on one stage,,athlete is our definition,,our body is our ball,,our sport is individual dependent and so is our performance
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It is no.... again no test for GH or IGF-1 avalable. It is obvious the clear abuse of it on ALL major sports and Olympic games. Anyone with minimum understanding of science knows that the majority of today modified anabolics have a half life of only hours. Meaning a athlete could be taking anabolis for the whole week and be completly out of his or her blood by game day. Tests are only to satisfy the general publics perception. The science of Tests are at least 10 behind the anabolics.
Although they are not used often, there in testing for GH and will more than likely be used in the next summer olympics.
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even those who believe that bodybuilding is a "sport" must concede that any activity that involves wearing a speedo or a thong, painting on a fake tan, applying oil all over oneself, and posing to music in front of a mostly male audience is pretty f-ing gay.
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if Golfer john Daly is considered an Athlete, than yes, Bodybuilders are definitely athletes
Professional golf takes Hand-Eye coordination and stamina.
Most BB's can't stand on stage w/o cramping.........nevermi nd stamina.
Golf is a sport.........BB is an activity.
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Are you trying to tell us the NFL,MLB,Boxers,Cyclists.....etc don't use roids!
Please don't compare the DRUG use in ANY sport to B.B.
BB'ers are lab experiments.
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even those who believe that bodybuilding is a "sport" must concede that any activity that involves wearing a speedo or a thong, painting on a fake tan, applying oil all over oneself, and posing to music in front of a mostly male audience is pretty f-ing gay.
;D
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if Golfer john Daly is considered an Athlete, than yes, Bodybuilders are definitely athletes
All sports are played.
Golf
Baseball
Football
Basketball
Hockey
Rugby
Darts
Pool
Bowling
Is bodybuilding played like a sport?? Maybe the G4P is the sporting aspect .
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All sports are played.
Golf
Baseball
Football
Basketball
Hockey
Rugby
Darts
Pool
Bowling
Is bodybuilding played like a sport?? Maybe the G4P is the sporting aspect .
you can't play boxing or wrestling
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Don't be a frustraded because you were a failed bodybuilding is other things you can do like coach other bodybuilders.
What is your point Pro NFL player also use oxygen....DO YOU WORK OUT ? DO YOU WATCH FOOTBALL? WHAT IS YOU POINT PLEASE?
Please explain how I failed at bodybuilding? I trained other bodybuilders for a long time up until about 10 years ago then I got into strength and conditioning for high school, college and pro athletes, yes, some NFL players do you oxygen but usually during conditioning drills, not after a posedown to climbing the steps going on to a stage!
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you can't play boxing or wrestling
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Your going to compare B.B. w/ professional boxing? No credibility Earl.
WWE wrestling is a lot like B.B. Big, oiled up, tanned, juiced up men, flexing and posing in the "ring" before their fans .
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Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
Maybe you should look up the defintion of the word "or" as well.
Because nowhere is stated that all of the above has to be acquired to be considered an athlete.
According to your so beloved webster.
An athlete is a person that is trained in exercises. How does that not aplly to a bodybuilder??
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Your going to compare B.B. w/ professional boxing? No credibility Earl.
WWE wrestling is a lot like B.B. Big, oiled up, tanned, juiced up men, flexing and posing in the "ring" before their fans .
boxing can't be played so according to you is it isn't a sport
and I meant "wrestling" as in Olympic wrestling
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boxing can't be played so according to you is it isn't a sport
and I meant "wrestling" as in Olympic wrestling
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Boxing and Olympic wresting take strength, balance, speed, conditioning, muscular endurance and SKILL!
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Boxing and Olympic wresting take strength, balance, speed, conditioning, muscular endurance and SKILL!
yeah so?
can you say the same about bowling or golf?
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If you have to lift weights and run...then you are an athlete
No, not unless you lift weights or run AS PART of a competition. These are merely a means to an end for a bodybuilder. Some of the laziest fvcks around are one of the best bodybuilders in the world ;D. That is a HUGE statement about the "sport" of bodybuilding. Bodybuilding maybe considered a sport according to some vague definition, but it defnitely doesnt meet the COMMONLY ACCEPTED requirement to qualify as a sport. It requires no agility, no balance, no physical endurance, not even physical strength :-\ wtf kinda "sport" is that?
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do you consider fitness competitors athletes?
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we can at least consider natural bodybuilding ;)
is there anything healthy in Pro bodybuilding at all? because I'm tired of hearing the famous phrase, ALL DRUGS
As far as i can see, the ONLY thing that is healthy about pro BB is the actual hour a day they spend in the gym, hell most dont even do any cardio by the sounds of it. The rest of it, the drugs, the feeding your face till the cows come home, the narcs, the G4P, the 15 hours sleep per day - well it dont exactly draw the picture of a healthy lifestyle. But then im no expert
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As far as i can see, the ONLY thing that is healthy about pro BB is the actual hour a day they spend in the gym, hell most dont even do any cardio by the sounds of it. The rest of it, the drugs, the feeding your face till the cows come home, the narcs, the G4P, the 15 hours sleep per day - well it dont exactly draw the picture of a healthy lifestyle. But then im no expert
Good luck getting the idiots to understand your point.... :-\
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This is the definition you keep quoting
"a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina"
Where in there does it say that the exercises requiring physical strength, agility or stamina have to be exhibited in a competition? Bodybuilders are in fact skilled in exercises that requires physical strength and stamina, so by your own definition, that would make them athletes.
So, based on your judgement, would you say fitness competitors are athletes? They are judged partly on a routine that requires skill, strength and stamina and partly on how they look on stage.
Personally, I don't think anyone can make this judgement unless you've personally been through a contest prep and gotten on stage yourself.....after you do a contest prep and compete, then come back and let us know your opinion.
"The definition I keep quoting" LOL right bro. its the WEBSTER DICTIONARY DEFINITION. Its not "MY" definition its what we as an educated society(at least some of us) have deemed as an absolute value on what a word means. If you disagree then perhaps you should petition Webster.
UNtil then this is how an ATHLETE is DEFINED>
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
YES Fitness competitors ARE Athletes, I explained in the post below.
YES I have done a show before and it was very brutal and alot of suffering but how does alot of SUFFERING make me an athlete?
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do you consider fitness competitors athletes?
YES absolutely!
They have a Fitness ROUND, this round is graded or judged on their PERFORMANCE NOT on how they LOOK. THe 1 piece and 2 piece suite round is where they are judged on appearance.
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Where in my post did I say you made up the definition. You completely missed the point. All I was trying to point out is that according to the definition that YOU keep quoting (as in, copying and pasting from Websters), bodybuilders are in fact athletes. Bodybuilders are skilled in exercises requiring physical strength, which, according to WEBSTERS makes them athletes.
I'm not saying they are or they are not (its a debate that could go either way, depending on what your particular definition of athlete is). But, the definition that you claim makes them NOT athletes, actually supports the opposite
"a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, OR games requiring physical strength, agility, OR stamina"
So, I do not "disagree" with the definition, I disagree with your interpretation. I am just pointing out that it proves the opposite of what you are trying to prove.
and p.s.--I'm not a bro nor a bodybuilder (hence the question about fitness competitors :) )
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Another definition of 'sport'
"1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."
from www.dictionary.com
Therefore, bodybuilding is NOT a sport, it's not an athletic activity, it's a pageant show akin to a gay Ms.Universe or Miss America pageant.
hope that helped :)
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Just a Simple question to all of you that think Bobybuilding is not a Sport and Bodybuilders are not athletes.
So If this is a pageant Show for men. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE> DO YOU ENJOY OILED MEN>>>?.....Strange
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I'll ask once again since it seemed to escape you...are you competing in a BB show on the 31st??
btw...nice job fucking up your physique..!
Now that was funny.
Competing in something which requires no skill is pretty much a beauty pagent though. I'd have more respect for the bb events if they were all drug free. That is a true test as to how you can build your physique. Once drugs are in the equation, it's just a science experiment.
My favorite is seeing national level competitors go to the gym and bench 135 telling themselves, "I'm working on the mind muscle connection." Yeah, minus the drugs, see how far that will get you when it comes to real gains. Classic stuff.
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Now that was funny.
Competing in something which requires no skill is pretty much a beauty pagent though. I'd have more respect for the bb events if they were all drug free. That is a true test as to how you can build your physique. Once drugs are in the equation, it's just a science experiment.
My favorite is seeing national level competitors go to the gym and bench 135 telling themselves, "I'm working on the mind muscle connection." Yeah, minus the drugs, see how far that will get you when it comes to real gains. Classic stuff.
Other GENIUS that think that is all Drugs....sure!!! keep dreaming that you are only a few shots away from a PRO...classic delusional to the MAX.....and I am sure you Squat more than Jay....because he just Squats 405....YOU ARE THE MAN
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Now that was funny.
Competing in something which requires no skill is pretty much a beauty pagent though. I'd have more respect for the bb events if they were all drug free. That is a true test as to how you can build your physique. Once drugs are in the equation, it's just a science experiment.
My favorite is seeing national level competitors go to the gym and bench 135 telling themselves, "I'm working on the mind muscle connection." Yeah, minus the drugs, see how far that will get you when it comes to real gains. Classic stuff.
I usually agree with what you say but you can't tell me you're blind to the fact that a good portion of professional athletes are substance abusers.
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I usually agree with what you say but you can't tell me you're blind to the fact that a good portion of professional athletes are substance abusers.
Right on
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Other GENIUS that think that is all Drugs....sure!!! keep dreaming that you are only a few shots away from a PRO...classic delusional to the MAX.....and I am sure you Squat more than Jay....because he just Squats 405....YOU ARE THE MAN
Translation: I took a ton of gear thinking it would change my genetics and still have a shitty physique.
It's not all drugs, but without them in the equation, Coleman would still be on patrol in Arlington. Drugs don't equal genetics, but realistcally "pros" would be amateurs. There's nothing professional about crazy gear usage. Other sports use them as well, but at least they started with something most bodybuilders don't have, talent.
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Where in my post did I say you made up the definition. You completely missed the point. All I was trying to point out is that according to the definition that YOU keep quoting (as in, copying and pasting from Websters), bodybuilders are in fact athletes. Bodybuilders are skilled in exercises requiring physical strength, which, according to WEBSTERS makes them athletes.
I'm not saying they are or they are not (its a debate that could go either way, depending on what your particular definition of athlete is). But, the definition that you claim makes them NOT athletes, actually supports the opposite
"a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, OR games requiring physical strength, agility, OR stamina"
So, I do not "disagree" with the definition, I disagree with your interpretation. I am just pointing out that it proves the opposite of what you are trying to prove.
and p.s.--I'm not a bro nor a bodybuilder (hence the question about fitness competitors :) )
Once again, at what point during a competition on stage is a bodybuilder required to be trained or skilled in exercises requiring physical strength?
AT NO time during a bodybuilding show is a bodybuilder judged on howtrained or skilled they are in an exercise requiring physical strength , a powerlifter or Olympic lifter, YES but a BBER, NO!
They are judged on how they LOOK, NOT how trained or skilled in exercises requiring physical strengththey are
How this helps sweet cheeks ; )
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Translation: I took a ton of gear thinking it would change my genetics and still have a shitty physique.
It's not all drugs, but without them in the equation, Coleman would still be on patrol in Arlington. Drugs don't equal genetics, but realistcally "pros" would be amateurs. There's nothing professional about crazy gear usage. Other sports use them as well, but at least they started with something most bodybuilders don't have, talent.
Croatch, that is the smartest thing I have ever heard you say.
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"The definition I keep quoting" LOL right bro. its the WEBSTER DICTIONARY DEFINITION. Its not "MY" definition its what we as an educated society(at least some of us) have deemed as an absolute value on what a word means. If you disagree then perhaps you should petition Webster.
UNtil then this is how an ATHLETE is DEFINED>
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
YES Fitness competitors ARE Athletes, I explained in the post below.
YES I have done a show before and it was very brutal and alot of suffering but how does alot of SUFFERING make me an athlete?
Well its obvious Webster doesn't know what he's talking about
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Another definition of 'sport'
"1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."
from www.dictionary.com
Therefore, bodybuilding is NOT a sport, it's not an athletic activity, it's a pageant show akin to a gay Ms.Universe or Miss America pageant.
hope that helped :)
Another great point, not only are bodybuilders NOT athletes , Bodybuilding competitions are NOT even a sport.
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I forgot to add SKILL in that list!
You also forgot Hand-Eye coordination.
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Another definition of 'sport'
"1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."
from www.dictionary.com
Therefore, bodybuilding is NOT a sport, it's not an athletic activity, it's a pageant show akin to a gay Ms.Universe or Miss America pageant.
hope that helped :)
A reasonable accessment.
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Just a Simple question to all of you that think Bobybuilding is not a Sport and Bodybuilders are not athletes.
So If this is a pageant Show for men. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE> DO YOU ENJOY OILED MEN>>>?.....Strange
NO ANSWERS>>>>UHHHH
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NO ANSWERS>>>>UHHHH
I enjoy making fun of them, ..... like I am doing now ;D
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Click on the "AP in action" to see real athletes and examples of how they train
http://www.athletesperformance.com/#locations
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No, not unless you lift weights or run AS PART of a competition. These are merely a means to an end for a bodybuilder. Some of the laziest fvcks around are one of the best bodybuilders in the world ;D. That is a HUGE statement about the "sport" of bodybuilding. Bodybuilding maybe considered a sport according to some vague definition, but it defnitely doesnt meet the COMMONLY ACCEPTED requirement to qualify as a sport. It requires no agility, no balance, no physical endurance, not even physical strength :-\ wtf kinda "sport" is that?
Great accessment.
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Anyone engage in phisical activity may be defined as an athlete. Hope that helps.
Before dying, my Grandmother ( RIP ) went to Target a lot.....just to walk around for PHYSICAL activity.
I assume she was an athlete then. ::)
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hes a fat piece of shit
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maybe the World strongest man contest bring more to ESPN than would bodybuilding. Obviously, there has to be an interest on the viewers part, but I'm always baffled on why bodybuilding will continously be a word of mouth. it's still in a primitive stage in the mainstream media, maybe they have too many doubts about the sport, I don't know. But I believe to some degree a bodybuilder is an athlete. We can argue all we want about this
pretty much my opinion...
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If bodybuilding required any physical skills at all, this thread wouldn't even appear. It's a pageant, plain and simple. Get over it. What athletic skill Does Jay Cutler have that I don't that warrants him the Mr. Olympia title and not me?
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If bodybuilding required any physical skills at all, this thread wouldn't even appear. It's a pageant, plain and simple. Get over it. What athletic skill Does Jay Cutler have that I don't that warrants him the Mr. Olympia title and not me?
according to the defintion that is requoted again and again, they are athletes. And this is the only thing we are criticizing. The definition that is used here as an argument against bb being athletes clearly states that they are athletes. Nowhere in this text is said that you have to compete to be an athlete. It states that if you are trained in an exercise you can be considered an athlete. So according to webster they are athletes. But just because webster says so doesn't mean I agree with it.
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according to the defintion that is requoted again and again, they are athletes. And this is the only thing we are criticizing. The definition that is used here as an argument against bb being athletes clearly states that they are athletes. Nowhere in this text is said that you have to compete to be an athlete. It states that if you are trained in an exercise you can be considered an athlete. So according to webster they are athletes. But just because webster says so doesn't mean I agree with it.
When you see Coleman training, doesn't he seem an athlete?
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When you see Coleman training, doesn't he seem an athlete?
Improving how one looks is not an athletic endeavor. Anyone can train. Show me what he can do that you or I cannot, and how it incorperates itself into the judging.
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according to the defintion that is requoted again and again, they are athletes. And this is the only thing we are criticizing. The definition that is used here as an argument against bb being athletes clearly states that they are athletes. Nowhere in this text is said that you have to compete to be an athlete. It states that if you are trained in an exercise you can be considered an athlete. So according to webster they are athletes. But just because webster says so doesn't mean I agree with it.
You have it backwards my friend. According to Webster bodybuilders are NOT athletes.
Here is the definition:a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
Like "tigereyes" you are only reading the first half of the definition. Bodybuilding competitions do NOT require physical strength, agility or stamina.....therefore being trained of skilled in exercises is a moot point.
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You have it backwards my friend. According to Webster bodybuilders are NOT athletes.
Here is the definition:a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
Like "tigereyes" you are only reading the first half of the definition. Bodybuilding competitions do NOT require physical strength, agility or stamina.....therefore being trained of skilled in exercises is a moot point.
Devon97,
Seriously, Do you know how to read, please pay attetion to other arguments before responding. About 5 people other told you that the definition does NOT state the the athlete must be competing while demostrating require physical streght......
Improving how one looks is not an athletic endeavor. Anyone can train. Show me what he can do that you or I cannot, and how it incorperates itself into the judging.
OH GOD this "HE" he is talking about is Ron Coleman ....So you REALLY think "show me what he can do that you or I cannot" SHIT!!! how about 800lb Deadlifts, 200 lb dumbell bench press....How about 296lb and >%3 bodyfat....Jesus complete dellusional
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Devon97,
OH GOD this "HE" he is talking about is Ron Coleman ....So you REALLY think "show me what he can do that you or I cannot" SHIT!!! how about 800lb Deadlifts, 200 lb dumbell bench press....How about 296lb and >%3 bodyfat....Jesus complete dellusional
Do the judges care if he can deadlift 800 lbs or 8lbs???? You win by looks and looks alone. It's a pageant. Why is it called MR.(insert stupid greek mythical place)????
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Do the judges care if he can deadlift 800 lbs or 8lbs???? You win by looks and looks alone. It's a pageant. Why is it called MR.(insert stupid greek mythical place)????
Your exactly right, Im agreeing with you. There is no Physical strength, agility or stamina which is being tested while on stage.
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Devon97,
Seriously, Do you know how to read, please pay attetion to other arguments before responding. About 5 people other told you that the definition does NOT state the the athlete must be competing while demostrating require physical streght......
OH GOD this "HE" he is talking about is Ron Coleman ....So you REALLY think "show me what he can do that you or I cannot" SHIT!!! how about 800lb Deadlifts, 200 lb dumbell bench press....How about 296lb and >%3 bodyfat....Jesus complete dellusional
Re-read the definition for the 100th time... or not
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bodybuilders,golfers ,bowlers ,fishermen,hunters,poker players ,chess players,....etc.are not athletes. HOPE THIS HELP :)
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bodybuilders,golfers ,bowlers ,fishermen,hunters,poker players ,chess players,....etc.are not athletes. HOPE THIS HELP :)
No but... we could be cause we look pretty! ;D
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No but... we could be cause we look pretty! ;D
CHAMP, you are good looking ,athletic, talented and smart , (reason for your success on the big screen ) YOU ARE AN ATHLETE HOPE THIS HELP ;)
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CHAMP, you are good looking ,athletic, talented and smart , (reason for your success on the big screen ) YOU ARE AN ATHLETE HOPE THIS HELP ;)
hahaha thanks WASP! Everyday I strive to look like the best that I can be. You are my inspiration.
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Your exactly right, Im agreeing with you. There is no Physical strength, agility or stamina which is being tested while on stage.
So every athlete must compete? Your argument is not valid... Ron Coleman, in my opinion, is an athlete. He trains hard and intensively, almost like a strongman. And I tell you more, few atkhletes can match Ronnie in training intensity...
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So every athlete must compete? Your argument is not valid... Ron Coleman, in my opinion, is an athlete. He trains hard and intensively, almost like a strongman. And I tell you more, few atkhletes can match Ronnie in training intensity...
Oh Boy, here we go again, ::)
DEFINITION:: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
During the 1-3 minute routine a bodybuilder does on stage, the bodybuilder is not being JUDGED on physical strength, agility or stamina...... ONLY on how he or she LOOKS. JUST Like a Ms America contest or a HAwaiian Tropic contest.
Does a Bodybuilder put in more work? Of course! But its all based on 1 thing------> HOW YOU LOOK.
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So every athlete must compete? Your argument is not valid... Ron Coleman, in my opinion, is an athlete. He trains hard and intensively, almost like a strongman. And I tell you more, few atkhletes can match Ronnie in training intensity...
Remember, "effort" in training does not constitute being labled an "athlete". With that being said , ROnnie really doesnt train nearly with the same intensity level as an olympic level rower, 400m sprinter, wrestler, or swimmer. I know Ron lifts some super heavy weights but I can assure you that he has never reaches anywhere near the same threshold as the athletes I just mentioned did.
On top of that he is taking on such copious amounts of drugs that any true "talent" he might possess was masked along time ago. This is why Bodybuilding has experienced such a RAPID decline in the last 10 years. back in the early 90's you would see Bodybuilding shows on ESPN. Now the Overzealous drug abuse has turned off what little interest the general public ever had to begin with.
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For the last time, a bbing show is a pageant. You win by looking better than the rest, not by performing a physical task better than they do. Besides, bodybuilders don't "train". The word train means to teach. An athlete trains (teaches their body and mind) to be more efficient at a given set of tasks. Whether it be running, lifting heavy rocks, or hitting a golf ball. A bodybuilder on the other hand is only intereasted in muscular hypertrophy. They aren't worried about getting better at any task. The great majority of athletes try to avoid hypertrophy because it has very limitted benefit and decreases variables that are far more valuable such as power/weight. This is why a typical bber is weaker than an athlete with the same lbm. Bodybuilding culture has bastardized the word "train".
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For the last time, a bbing show is a pageant. You win by looking better than the rest, not by performing a physical task better than they do. Besides, bodybuilders don't "train". The word train means to teach. An athlete trains (teaches their body and mind) to be more efficient at a given set of tasks. Whether it be running, lifting heavy rocks, or hitting a golf ball. A bodybuilder on the other hand is only intereasted in muscular hypertrophy. They aren't worried about getting better at any task. The great majority of athletes try to avoid hypertrophy because it has very limitted benefit and decreases variables that are far more valuable such as power/weight. This is why a typical bber is weaker than an athlete with the same lbm. Bodybuilding culture has bastardized the word "train".
VERY well said! Agreed!
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Remember, "effort" in training does not constitute being labled an "athlete". With that being said , ROnnie really doesnt train nearly with the same intensity level as an olympic level rower, 400m sprinter, wrestler, or swimmer. I know Ron lifts some super heavy weights but I can assure you that he has never reaches anywhere near the same threshold as the athletes I just mentioned did.
On top of that he is taking on such copious amounts of drugs that any true "talent" he might possess was masked along time ago. This is why Bodybuilding has experienced such a RAPID decline in the last 10 years. back in the early 90's you would see Bodybuilding shows on ESPN. Now the Overzealous drug abuse has turned off what little interest the general public ever had to begin with.
all those athletes you mentioned are under industrial amounts of drugs... Just in case you don't know.
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all those athletes you mentioned are under industrial amounts of drugs... Just in case you don't know.
???What kind of drugs? PERFORMANCE ENHANCING? maybe because they enhance the efficiency of the given task.
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???What kind of drugs? PERFORMANCE ENHANCING? maybe because they enhance the efficiency of the given task.
No offense but I think you live on a pink world! All professional athletes nowadays are in some kind of drug. Ex: Swimmers do growth hormone since their early teens, wrestlers are in nandrolone, test, 400 m runners do winstrol and so on and so on...
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all those athletes you mentioned are under industrial amounts of drugs... Just in case you don't know.
LOL c'mon , at least the Olympics has a testing protocol. TO compare what an Olympic sprinter takes to what Ronnie Coleman takes is like comparing a row boat to a aircraft carrier
Do u really beliebe a college wrestler is taking "industrial amounts of gear" ?
Or a Female 400m sprinter... also on "Industrial amounts of gear"?
You might be the most dumb sum'bitch on GB :o
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No test for GH, No test for IGF-1, no test for genetic inhibitors, the majority of modern anabolics will just stay for a few hours on your blood...that means that any athlete could be taking anabolics until friday night and will be completly clean come game day saturday.Tests are just to satisfy the general public anyone will minimum understanding of Biochemistry know that.
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Oh Boy, here we go again, ::)
DEFINITION:: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
okay but again, bodybuilders are trained or skilled in exercises that require physical strength (weightlifting). There is no way you can disagree with this statement.
And where exactly does the definition state that you have to be judged in one of the following things to be considered an athlete? If the definition would be something like,
a person that is judged in an exercise, sport or games that requires physical strength, agility or stamina, then you would have a point. But nowhere it is stated that athlete has to fulfill the above stated during a competition or be judged in one of the above stated conditions. . It simple refers to the persons skills per se.
According to webster bb are athletes as they are skilled and trained in weightlifting. This skill is not used during the actual competition but only in preparation, but this is totally insignificant as this is not required to fulfill the definition of an athlete according to webster.
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okay but again, bodybuilders are trained or skilled in exercises that require physical strength (weightlifting). There is no way you can disagree with this statement.
And where exactly does the definition state that you have to be judged in one of the following things to be considered an athlete? If the definition would be something like,
a person that is judged in an exercise, sport or games that requires physical strength, agility or stamina, then you would have a point. But nowhere it is stated that athlete has to fulfill the above stated during a competition or be judged in one of the above stated conditions. . It simple refers to the persons skills per se.
According to webster bb are athletes as they are skilled and trained in weightlifting. This skill is not used during the actual competition but only in preparation, but this is totally insignificant as this is not required to fulfill the definition of an athlete according to webster.
LOL YOu got to be kidding!!! OF course the definition refers to the actual "COMPETITION" or SHOW. Who cares what they do at workouts or practice.
No one cares what a football player does at practice.... or HOW they practice. Its all about HOW they perform in a GAME
No one cares how or what a bber does during a workout.. or if he or she even works out! THE only think that matters is what they do on stage! And that one criteria is their---------->Appearance
For those of you who are hell bent on being considered an athlete. WHy dont u just take up Powerlifting or olympic lifting or better yet strongmen competition then you can be deemed athletes.
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LOL YOu got to be kidding!!! OF course the definition refers to the actual "COMPETITION" or SHOW. Who cares what they do at workouts or practice.
No one cares what a football player does at practice.... or HOW they practice. Its all about HOW they perform in a GAME
No one cares how or what a bber does during a workout.. or if he or she even works out! THE only think that matters is what they do on stage! And that one criteria is their---------->Appearance
For those of you who are hell bent on being considered an athlete. WHy dont u just take up Powerlifting or olympic lifting or better yet strongmen competition then you can be deemed athletes.
If you think so low of bodybuiding and bodybuilders WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN A BODYBUIDING SITE????????????
Seriously if bodybuilding is not a sport and bodybuilders are not athletes them you are telling me you enjoy just looking at Muscular oil Men ............Strange....v ery Strange
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LOL YOu got to be kidding!!! OF course the definition refers to the actual "COMPETITION" or SHOW. Who cares what they do at workouts or practice.
No one cares what a football player does at practice.... or HOW they practice. Its all about HOW they perform in a GAME
No one cares how or what a bber does during a workout.. or if he or she even works out! THE only think that matters is what they do on stage! And that one criteria is their---------->Appearance
For those of you who are hell bent on being considered an athlete. WHy dont u just take up Powerlifting or olympic lifting or better yet strongmen competition then you can be deemed athletes.
If you follow bodybuilding you know that several bodybuilders are powerlifters or train with powerlifters and strongmen. Dude you really just trying to put Bodybuiding down ...you don't have a point. The majority of athletes in the world use bodybuilding to improve their perfomance in their sport. What are you saying is just a complete lack of knowlegde in sports History.
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If you think so low of bodybuiding and bodybuilders WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN A BODYBUIDING SITE????????????
Seriously if bodybuilding is not a sport and bodybuilders are not athletes them you are telling me you enjoy just looking at Muscular oil Men ............Strange....v ery Strange
Already told you... I am here to make fun of them , just like 80% of the rest of GB!
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If you follow bodybuilding you know that several bodybuilders are powerlifters or train with powerlifters and strongmen. Dude you really just trying to put Bodybuiding down ...you don't have a point. The majority of athletes in the world use bodybuilding to improve their perfomance in their sport. What are you saying is just a complete lack of knowlegde in sports History.
Um, no they dont. They use olympic lifts and the conjugate method as used by Westside Barbell and Louie Simmons. Have you seen how Tikki Barber trains ? I can assure you he is not lifting for a "pump" on some silly Smith machine lol.
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If you follow bodybuilding you know that several bodybuilders are powerlifters or train with powerlifters and strongmen. Dude you really just trying to put Bodybuiding down ...you don't have a point. The majority of athletes in the world use bodybuilding to improve their perfomance in their sport. What are you saying is just a complete lack of knowlegde in sports History.
Then your definition of bodybuilding is either totally wrong or far too broad.
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btw...nice job fucking up your physique..!
Nice. ;D
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Already told you... I am here to make fun of them , just like 80% of the rest of GB!
Well that is your right. If you hate bodybuilding that much and just want to make fun of bodybuilders. just seems like a waste of time
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Then your definition of bodybuilding is either totally wrong or far too broad.
From Franco Columbu, Odd Haugen( The godfather of stongmen in the USA- was a competitor bobybuilding), jonnie Jackson( bodybuilding and powerlifter champion)
The history of several sports indicats that athletes were specifically told not to touch a weights( Basketball, Baseball....and the list goes on) modern athletes today in different sport still work close with bodybuildings to improve perfomance. Endless examples.
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If you follow bodybuilding you know that several bodybuilders are powerlifters or train with powerlifters and strongmen. Dude you really just trying to put Bodybuiding down ...you don't have a point. The majority of athletes in the world use bodybuilding to improve their perfomance in their sport. What are you saying is just a complete lack of knowlegde in sports History.
You are wrong. Athletes utilize weight training (now)to help improve their performance That doesn't mean Bodybuilding. Back in the 70's and even early 80's lifting weights was NOT recommended. Coaches and trainers thought that lifting weights would make you too tight and thus more suspect able to injury.
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From Franco Columbu, Odd Haugen( The godfather of stongmen in the USA- was a competitor bobybuilding), jonnie Jackson( bodybuilding and powerlifter champion)
The history of several sports indicats that athletes were specifically told not to touch a weights( Basketball, Baseball....and the list goes on) modern athletes today in different sport still work close with bodybuildings to improve perfomance. Endless examples.
Athletes strength train. That is VERY DIFFERENT from what bodybuilders do in the gym. Matter of fact it is the very reason that guys were discouraged from going to the weight room in decades past. They would inadvertily do what bodybuilders do and their performance in games would suffer. Not until American coaches learned about training with weights for power, speed and strength, were players encouraged to do it. Why is it that you haven't seen a competitive bodybuilder in the WSM since '77 when Franco and company got their posing trunks handed to them by a RETIRED, 43 YEAR OLD olympic weightlifter??
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LOL c'mon , at least the Olympics has a testing protocol. TO compare what an Olympic sprinter takes to what Ronnie Coleman takes is like comparing a row boat to a aircraft carrier
Do u really beliebe a college wrestler is taking "industrial amounts of gear" ?
Or a Female 400m sprinter... also on "Industrial amounts of gear"?
You might be the most dumb sum'bitch on GB :o
Once more your arguments are not valid. "College wrestler"??? And natural bbers???
Femalle sprinter??? Do you have a TV??? How many of them were cought on doping tests???
Let me see, you are a tiny guy that think that guys with muscle and strength are retarded!!!!
Well, you are in the wrong site, but probably you don't realise because you are an idiot!