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i guess we should all hunker down...
something else will be cooked up...a bomb perhaps.. :-\
this is pathetic..
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there will be a war. machine is in motion, and nothing is gonna stop it. might as well watch the news and enjoy the show :(
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i guess we should all hunker down...
something else will be cooked up...a bomb perhaps.. :-\
this is pathetic..
Maybe they got waterboarded into admission
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there will be a war. machine is in motion, and nothing is gonna stop it. might as well watch the news and enjoy the show :(
i'm almost expecting a bomb blast in DC conducted by the iranians who get caught and then spill their guts ... :-\
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Maybe they got waterboarded into admission
most likely
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Right up until it happens I will still say we are not going..unless they know something we don't. We're not going in on the ground. It does not make much military sense unless Israel has told washington they are going in regardless so u had better do some saber rattling of ur own.
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I don't care about Iran. I think that controlling their oil would be great for the US economy. And Haliburton is setting up camp in Dubai, which is about a sneeze away from Iran - ideal position for both war and rebuilding effort.
We're in the middle east to stay. I didn't honestly think we were going into iran so fast, but wow, it's looking like it now. What can you do, but learn your lesson about re-electing the guy who got us into Iraq. Our fault.
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Right up until it happens I will still say we are not going..unless they know something we don't. We're not going in on the ground. It does not make much military sense unless Israel has told washington they are going in regardless so u had better do some saber rattling of ur own.
I agree. No way we put troops on the ground in Iran.
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Right up until it happens I will still say we are not going..unless they know something we don't. We're not going in on the ground. It does not make much military sense unless Israel has told washington they are going in regardless so u had better do some saber rattling of ur own.
Fox news is nonstop coverage - and it's all 'attack iran now'.
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I agree. No way we put troops on the ground in Iran.
I pray you're right. however, Drudge says:
MOSCOW, March 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.
"The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran," the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched.
He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its knees at minimal cost."
He also said the U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, said last week that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran's military infrastructure in the near future.
A new U.S. carrier battle group has been dispatched to the Gulf.
The USS John C. Stennis, with a crew of 3,200 and around 80 fixed-wing aircraft, including F/A-18 Hornet and Superhornet fighter-bombers, eight support ships and four nuclear submarines are heading for the Gulf, where a similar group led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower has been deployed since December 2006.
The U.S. is also sending Patriot anti-missile systems to the region.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070327/62697703.html
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I agree. No way we put troops on the ground in Iran.
what troops? :-\ we got none..we are sitting wide open here in the US...we deployed em all..
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U.S. Gulf exercise largest since 2003 invasion of Iraq
Officials said the navy began its exercise on Tuesday in the Gulf near the coast of Iran. They said two strike carriers conducted naval and air maneuvers that included mock attacks on Iran.
"The exercise should reassure our friends and our allies of our commitment to security and stability in the region," Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said.
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U.S. Gulf exercise largest since 2003 invasion of Iraq
Officials said the navy began its exercise on Tuesday in the Gulf near the coast of Iran. They said two strike carriers conducted naval and air maneuvers that included mock attacks on Iran.
"The exercise should reassure our friends and our allies of our commitment to security and stability in the region," Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said.
and i get fun of when i say this govt is run by another govt within..
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what troops? :-\ we got none..we are sitting wide open here in the US...we deployed em all..
Sorta but we have enough on paper but alot of units are refitting...some of our heavy units are reay to go and thats what we would need to hit Iran on the ground. I would believ the big airstrike deal. Maybe they have folks ready to take over..or maybe they cut a deal with the mullahs..I know they are not happy with the idiot they have in there now.
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The depleted U.S. military really does not want to fuck with Iran right now.
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what troops? :-\ we got none..we are sitting wide open here in the US...we deployed em all..
LOL, yeah right.....we don't have any left! LMAO!!! I'll tell the 30,000 sitting here at Ft. Wood on my way home tonight
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The depleted U.S. military really does not want to fuck with Iran right now.
Iran has strategic alliances with Rus and China - that's why Russia keeps leaking the US invasion plans. Originally it was mar 28 (today!) and we see massive buildup on border. Now they say April 6 as the day we invade? Incredible they nailed it - 3 months ago - with such accuracy.
plus their population is triple what iraq had. And they're RICH. And they just funded hez against Isr, so we're going to be picking a scab with al quida's little brother, who has left us alone bigtime in the past.
I believe it's about oil and longterm interests, and that in order for us to stay #1, we need to do this. But it's sick and scary to watch such actions as they happen. You read about this shit in history books - remember the british empire taking over 1/4 of the world for resources?
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The depleted U.S. military really does not want to fuck with Iran right now.
can you explain how the military is depleted?
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Dude....fuck with who..we have been fighting an insurgency for 6 years..yes some of our equipment is depleted but they can'r fight their way out of a paper bag..many of their best fighter aircraft,which will be gone within minutes of an attack, are old..real old F-14 tomcats. They have zero experience fighting a Western Army in a conventional fight. I do not believe we will fight much on the ground but we will desimate them quickly. A bunch of idiots jump marching with AK's don't really impress me.
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can you explain how the military is depleted?
Are you in MO.
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Are you in MO.
Unfortunately man, Ft. Leonard Wood
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Damn imagine the anxiety and anticipation of a war, must be pretty crazy
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I hate to jump to conclusion with TRE..he was in 4 years but answer me this.....Have u ever seen an Armored Bde deployed in the desert..seen JDAMS strikes..MLRS.....B-52 strikes..AF A-c-130 gunships called in....plus all the high tech crap the Navy and Airforce is designed to do. We are made to smoke Iran..we are not made to occupy and rebuild her. Which makes me wonder what they know in Washington.
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Unfortunately man, Ft. Leonard Wood
I live in Smithville, MO..stationed at FT Leavenworth...or will be. PCS leave. I was at FT Wood in 99 for about 18 months as a training bde XO.
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Dude....fuck with who..we have been fighting an insurgency for 6 years..yes some of our equipment is depleted but they can'r fight their way out of a paper bag..many of their best fighter aircraft,which will be gone within minutes of an attack, are old..real old F-14 tomcats. They have zero experience fighting a Western Army in a conventional fight. I do not believe we will fight much on the ground but we will desimate them quickly. A bunch of idiots jump marching with AK's don't really impress me.
They have three times as many people as Iraq had.
They have Hezbollah backing them - Hez didn't fck with us in Iraq but will here.
China and Russia lose a lot of money if we attack Iran and will act accordingly.
Iran has a ton of money
Iran has way better missile technology than Iraq.
Iran has nuclear technology
Iranian people might be empowered - seeing the US unable to defeat a poor insurgency next door - and will fight from moment one.
Seriously dude, if they wanna attack, they're going to, no matter what. But I think you're underestimating how serious the fight will be there.
Plus- where are you getting the men? Even if we put an equal force to the one we're using to lose in Iraq against a weaker enemy (150k), where are you getting that many forces? Pull some from iraq and afghan? Robbing peter to pay paul.
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I live in Smithville, MO..stationed at FT Leavenworth...or will be. PCS leave. I was at FT Wood in 99 for about 18 months as a training bde XO.
So you are one of those commissioned types huh? lol I'm just a lowly enlisted man! ;D
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LOL, yeah right.....we don't have any left! LMAO!!! I'll tell the 30,000 sitting here at Ft. Wood on my way home tonight
WOw THAT many..and how many fighter jets we got right now in the US?
hmm we musta had even more than that when 911 happened and NOT 1 OF EM WS FAST ENOUGH TO STOP 911..soo tell me..even if they r there they r pretty useless.. :-\
i mean the greatest fuc king army on this planet couldn't stop COMMERCIAL (slow moving) plane # 3 from crashing into the pentagon and on one of the planes the passangers had to be heros and take matters into their own hands when the fastest fighters in the world failed em..
nah..i dont buy your argument..the amount of troops we got left aint hardly enough.. sorry..3 army bases within 100 mils of NY city wwith jets that do mach 2..ie 700some miles/hr...and they cant get to a commercial jet..wtf do you think they r gonna do if the terrorists bring the war to american soil...nothing mate..we already saw then do nothing ;)
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No I'm not..actually being in the service kinda helps..and having served in the conventional fight for Bagdad...anyway..we're not going in on the ground..two carrier task forces over 140 planes plus B-2 strikes from Whiteman/B-52 strikes from Deigo Garcia/Tomahawk strikes etc etc etc will degrade all this wonderful technology they seem to have.....they can't fight the conventional fight.
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No I'm not..actually being in the service kinda helps..and having served in the conventional fight for Bagdad...anyway..we're not going in on the ground..two carrier task forces over 140 planes plus B-2 strikes from Whiteman/B-52 strikes from Deigo Garcia/Tomahawk strikes etc etc etc will degrade all this wonderful technology they seem to have.....they can't fight the conventional fight.
We'll slay them from the skies.
But what happens when we try to walk into the streets for a victory parade?
I think we're seeing iraq II here. The military folks have a hard-on for just how bad we'll beat up on them. Forgetting about what happens when they scatter like bugs and sit in their living rooms with rpgs waiting to fck up our day :(
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WOw THAT many..and how many fighter jets we got right now in the US?
hmm we musta had even more than that when 911 happened and NOT 1 OF EM WS FAST ENOUGH TO STOP 911..soo tell me..even if they r there they r pretty useless.. :-\
i mean the greatest fuc king army on this planet couldn't stop COMMERCIAL (slow moving) plane # 3 from crashing into the pentagon and on one of the planes the passangers had to be heros and take matters into their own hands when the fastest fighters in the world failed em..
nah..i dont buy your argument..the amount of troops we got left aint hardly enough.. sorry..3 army bases within 100 mils of NY city wwith jets that do mach 2..ie 700some miles/hr...and they cant get to a commercial jet..wtf do you think they r gonna do if the terrorists bring the war to american soil...nothing mate..we already saw then do nothing ;)
What Army bases.....none equipt to handle shooting down an aircraft. We have not been on alert for a homeland attack since maybe 1990 or so..we're not looking enternally and we just not ready....sorry bro this argument is ridiculous..not an attack on u at all either.
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WOw THAT many..and how many fighter jets we got right now in the US?
hmm we musta had even more than that when 911 happened and NOT 1 OF EM WS FAST ENOUGH TO STOP 911..soo tell me..even if they r there they r pretty useless.. :-\
i mean the greatest fuc king army on this planet couldn't stop COMMERCIAL (slow moving) plane # 3 from crashing into the pentagon and on one of the planes the passangers had to be heros and take matters into their own hands when the fastest fighters in the world failed em..
nah..i dont buy your argument..the amount of troops we got left aint hardly enough.. sorry..3 army bases within 100 mils of NY city wwith jets that do mach 2..ie 700some miles/hr...and they cant get to a commercial jet..wtf do you think they r gonna do if the terrorists bring the war to american soil...nothing mate..we already saw then do nothing ;)
Like 240 you don't know much about what it takes to launch a mission ready fighter. If I thought you would listen I would explain it.
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We are not going in on the ground.....I think this will be a shut the fuck up attack.....I also think A-we are not really going in and B-if we are..i think Washington has cut a deal with someone on the inside....
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What Army bases.....none equipt to handle shooting down an aircraft. We have not been on alert for a homeland attack since maybe 1990 or so..we're not looking enternally and we just not ready....sorry bro this argument is ridiculous..not an attack on u at all either.
so we dont have ONE FUCKING MISSILE in sight of NY..lol where previously the WTC were attempted??
whats next..not 1 friggin missile around DC...i mean DC is hardly an arm throw away at 700mph..itakes 15 mins for a fighterdeployed in dc to go to NY..
GASP..guess they messed up on how fast mach 2 actually is :-\ and everyone bought it hook line sinker..
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Dude I love these guys but we both know what a pain in the ass it is to get anything done like that..even if they were ready..can u imagine the guys at Otis that got the cal on 911.l..going through preflight..trying to figure out what was going on....without weapons..no real CnC...
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Like 240 you don't know much about what it takes to launch a mission ready fighter. If I thought you would listen I would explain it.
If I gave a shit (I used to but i'm getting jaded on politics already) i'd walk to my bookshelf and scan and quote and post the bases we had, the requirements for standby, the speed of the 100 interceptions in the 365 calendar days before 911, all under 22 miuntes...
But I don't give a shit. This Iran war mess is just disgusting to me, and I don't know if I find politics all that fun to follow anymore. Maybe i'll work on my jumpshot or learn to knit.
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Like 240 you don't know much about what it takes to launch a mission ready fighter. If I thought you would listen I would explain it.
o i dont..gasp enlighted me..and in the process do tell why the # 1 force on this planet DOES NOT have mission read fighters on standby constantly..
i mean for fucksake even a shithold like pakistan has THAT
...unless..umm wee were lied to..
you REALLy think we dont have mission ready fighters on standby on every fucking base close to DC..and by close i mean close at mach 2 speeds..
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They were on track to intercept 3 of the planes at 1875 mph.
*something* told them to do a hlding pattern in the atlantic at 400 mph for nearly a half hour.
We'd know what that *something* is, but the FAA supervisor destoryed the recordings and threw them away in various trash cans around the building on the AM of 9/11.
Yeah, nothing smells fishy there, eh? ;)
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so we dont have ONE FUCKING MISSILE in sight of NY..lol where previously the WTC were attempted??
whats next..not 1 friggin missile around DC...i mean DC is hardly an arm throw away at 700mph..itakes 15 mins for a fighterdeployed in dc to go to NY..
GASP..guess they messed up on how fast mach 2 actually is :-\ and everyone bought it hook line sinker..
LOL I discussed this with 240 the other day. Pre 9/11 we didn't have fighters on Alert...we could get a jet (unloaded) in the air in about 30 minutes. Loaded 45-60 minutes. I guess an F-16 could have gone up and bumped him off course...LMAO ALso ALL missles are in silos on the west coast...Montana, Wyoming, California, North/South Dakota....would take an hour/hours to get to NY...but of course you knew all of that
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They were on track to intercept 3 of the planes at 1875 mph.
*something* told them to do a hlding pattern in the atlantic at 400 mph for nearly a half hour.
We'd know what that *something* is, but the FAA supervisor destoryed the recordings and threw them away in various trash cans around the building on the AM of 9/11.
Yeah, nothing smells fishy there, eh? ;)
WHAT?? i thought the richest biggest army on this planet ws at a loss to find a SINGLE ATTACK READY PLANE in time of need..
i guess the terrorists must forward their plans of attack on US soil in advance to us from now on...
cause as militarymuscle said..i have NO IDEA what it takes to get a plane attack ready..soo we'll need a head up ;)
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o i dont..gasp enlighted me..and in the process do tell why the # 1 force on this planet DOES NOT have mission read fighters on standby constantly..
i mean for fucksake even a shithold like pakistan has THAT
...unless..umm wee were lied to..
you REALLy think we dont have mission ready fighters on standby on every fucking base close to DC..and by close i mean close at mach 2 speeds..
Actually smart guy since 9/11 we do have Alert planes at one base on the east and one on the west coasts which rotates through ACC bases. So no, every base in DC doesn't have ready fighters....
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LOL I discussed this with 240 the other day. Pre 9/11 we didn't have fighters on Alert...we could get a jet (unloaded) in the air in about 30 minutes. Loaded 45-60 minutes. I guess an F-16 could have gone up and bumped him off course...LMAO ALso ALL missles are in silos on the west coast...Montana, Wyoming, California, North/South Dakota....would take an hour/hours to get to NY...but of course you knew all of that
well in that case..yall r a bunch of fuckups..thats fucking pathetic..
accodring to what you r saying 911 HAPPENED CAUSE YOU LET US DOWN!
simple..you wre unprepared and a bunch of fuckups..
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WHAT?? i thought the richest biggest army on this planet ws at a loss to find a SINGLE ATTACK READY PLANE in time of need..
i guess the terrorists must forward their plans of attack on US soil in advance to us from now on...
cause as militarymuscle said..i have NO IDEA what it takes to get a plane attack ready..soo we'll need a head up ;)
You don't have any idea....if you do just where di dyou come by this knowledge....when was the last time you were on the tarmac during run-up?
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if it was worth $20 on a bet, i'd prove it. but why scan and argue for an hour, for someone who will just get quiet and say 'so what, doesnt prove anything'.
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Actually smart guy since 9/11 we do have Alert planes at one base on the east and one on the west coasts which rotates through ACC bases. So no, every base in DC doesn't have ready fighters....
WOW..i feel safer already...
and this is POST 911??? r you fucking kidding me??
yall wont learn a lesson will ya and continue to fuck up..
might as well put up a white flag on every base already...its a fucking military base..exactly why aren't there ready fighters ..at least 1 / base ?? dont tell me we cant afford it.. :-\
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You don't have any idea....if you do just where di dyou come by this knowledge....when was the last time you were on the tarmac during run-up?
i'm not the one thats a lazy fucktard whose lazyness cost this nation 911..
yall fucked up..simple..if it wasn't an inside job then YOU let us down..and the death of thousands is on your head..
hope ya sleep well at night :-\
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WOW..i feel safer already...
and this is POST 911??? r you fucking kidding me??
yall wont learn a lesson will ya and continue to fuck up..
might as well put up a white flag on every base already...its a fucking military base..exactly why aren't there ready fighters ..at least 1 / base ?? dont tell me we cant afford it.. :-\
See clinton did such a good job protecting the country, there was no need for loaded planes sitting on parking ramps. Instead we were out sunbating and what not...oops maybe not.
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if it was worth $20 on a bet, i'd prove it. but why scan and argue for an hour, for someone who will just get quiet and say 'so what, doesnt prove anything'.
Prove what?
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Dude I love these guys but we both know what a pain in the ass it is to get anything done like that..even if they were ready..can u imagine the guys at Otis that got the cal on 911.l..going through preflight..trying to figure out what was going on....without weapons..no real CnC...
I know, these guys play a few games of Risk and all of a sudden know how to run the largest military in the world
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See clinton did such a good job protecting the country, there was no need for loaded planes sitting on parking ramps. Instead we were out sunbating and what not...oops maybe not.
i really hope for your sake you r a white christian...
if you r hispanic or worse black..it'd kinda be a shame that ya simply refuse to demouth bush kok..
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i really hope for your sake you r a white christian...
if you r hispanic or worse black..it'd kinda be a shame that ya simply refuse to demouth bush kok..
I actually bad mouth bush alot, just not on the war. I agree with fighting in Iraq against Al-Queda and trying to have a democratic friend in the region other than Israel
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I actually bad mouth bush alot, just not on the war. I agree with fighting in Iraq against Al-Queda and trying to have a democratic friend in the region other than Israel
israel is not our friend..lol..we r israelis bitch...we picked a war with terrorists and put american soil in jepoardy cause israel demanded it..
there is a difference.. :-\
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This is fucking bullshit. ::)
The war mongers will say they're building a big bomb and what not or that Israel is under threat.
If this war takes place then it might drag america down the gutter.
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If I gave a shit (I used to but i'm getting jaded on politics already) i'd walk to my bookshelf and scan and quote and post the bases we had, the requirements for standby, the speed of the 100 interceptions in the 365 calendar days before 911, all under 22 miuntes...
But I don't give a shit. This Iran war mess is just disgusting to me, and I don't know if I find politics all that fun to follow anymore. Maybe i'll work on my jumpshot or learn to knit.
What you oughtta be doing is cya ...covering your ass.
Connect all the dots, ...know whats coming down the pike, ...forces bigger than you outside of your control.
These things are either going to crush you... or push you into success.
Check your email, and get a babysitter for tomorrow night.
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so we dont have ONE FUCKING MISSILE in sight of NY..lol where previously the WTC were attempted??
whats next..not 1 friggin missile around DC...i mean DC is hardly an arm throw away at 700mph..itakes 15 mins for a fighterdeployed in dc to go to NY..
GASP..guess they messed up on how fast mach 2 actually is :-\ and everyone bought it hook line sinker..
No probably not....maybe at Maguire..dude it doesn't work that way..it hasn't scine the 50's. Nike sites
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If I gave a shit (I used to but i'm getting jaded on politics already) i'd walk to my bookshelf and scan and quote and post the bases we had, the requirements for standby, the speed of the 100 interceptions in the 365 calendar days before 911, all under 22 miuntes...
But I don't give a shit. This Iran war mess is just disgusting to me, and I don't know if I find politics all that fun to follow anymore. Maybe i'll work on my jumpshot or learn to knit.
I would love to see these facts you have on how long it takes to make a jet mission ready, that isn't sitting on Alert already. I'm sure if you did that I could probably dig up a TO on how to make a jet mission ready.
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..dude it doesn't work that way..it hasn't scine the 50's
dontcha think its about time it should? i mean for cun ts sake..do we need another 911 for us to actually be REALLY on alert instead of bullshit codes...its a code red day today..yet the military dosen't have a single jet on standby..
WTF?? :-\
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Bro this guy has no clue..at all about anything let alone getting an F-16 ready. As far as us letting the country down..I don't make fucking military policy about having fighters ready. I imagine having B-52's on standby and ready-5 jets at AF bases scared the crap outa the libs so we stopped in in favor of some social program that made them feel better. Your an idiot
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We are not going in on the ground.....I think this will be a shut the fuck up attack.....I also think A-we are not really going in and B-if we are..i think Washington has cut a deal with someone on the inside....
{ROTFLMAO} Whaddya mean you're not going in on the ground? Your aerial power can only do so much.
Iran could cripple the USA without firing a single shot. The only way you're going to keep the straits of Hormuz open is to put boots on the ground.
You'all think the price of gas is high now? ...wait til the Iranians shut down the straits of Hormuz.
ps - the female Brit soldier has been returned.
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Bro this guy has no clue..at all about anything let alone getting an F-16 ready. As far as us letting the country down..I don't make fucking military policy about having fighters ready. I imagine having B-52's on standby and ready-5 jets at AF bases scared the crap outa the libs so we stopped in in favor of some social program that made them feel better. Your an idiot
sooo invading a country > have a few military jets on standby..
talk about using a scalpel to scratch a tiny itch..
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I don't think we're going in on the ground unless we plan on seizing oil fields..not sure where the bodies are coming from.
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sooo invading a country > have a few military jets on standby..
talk about using a scalpel to scratch a tiny itch..
What?
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What?
god i hate spoon feeding esp wheh i gotta type..
anyhow..
going to war elsewhere is more important that securing ourself here in the US??
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No probably not....maybe at Maguire..dude it doesn't work that way..it hasn't scine the 50's. Nike sites
Langley is the only active duty ACC base in the region. Mass. and NH have reserve/guard fighter wings but all active duty bases in that region are AMC bases (C-5, C-17) like Dover, McGuire, Andrews, etc..
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dontcha think its about time it should? i mean for cun ts sake..do we need another 911 for us to actually be REALLY on alert instead of bullshit codes...its a code red day today..yet the military dosen't have a single jet on standby..
WTF?? :-\
today we do have jets on Alert jackass, 15 minute response time
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today we do have jets on Alert jackass, 15 minute response time
well..lest some good came off of 911... :)
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Spoon feed..do u know half what MM just says..AMC etc..we could mil speak for the next hour and u would have no idea what we're talking about..look man I have no idea what u do but i would not second guess u if u told me how things generally work..we're telling u how things generally work and the 911 stuff is not that cut and dry.
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911 stuff is not that cut and dry.
to me it is mate.
rad tape is just refuge from the truth..
sorry..i've been on an oscar wilde schtick lately.. :-\
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"A spokesman for British Prime Minister Tony Blair said any showing of British personnel on TV would be a breach of the Geneva Conventions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070328/ap_on_re_eu/british_seized_iran
LOL. So showing people on TV has his panties in a bunch... but buddy George's waterboarding at Guantanamo is jolly good.
What a fucking douchebag.
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Its not...take the jet thing..can't just fire one up..if its not ready, its not ready..Maybe 30 minutes for a fighter aircraft if it were prepo'd it takes hours to get a bomber ready..MM whats the term...anyway it takes awhile to get shit up. We were not ready for 911.
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In the context of world politics it is..its using pows for propoganda purposes. We don't parade our gitmo guys through..even though the media has taken snapshots..sorta the reason Abu Garib was sucha big deal.
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Its not...take the jet thing..can't just fire one up..if its not ready, its not ready..Maybe 30 minutes for a fighter aircraft if it were prepo'd it takes hours to get a bomber ready..MM whats the term...anyway it takes awhile to get shit up. We were not ready for 911.
...despite all the warnings, ...despite all the drills taking place that very day? :-\
Wow HH, ...please tell me about the Easter bunny next. Will he leave me lots of chocolate? I like chocolate. :)
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My easter bunny will be at ur house with a bat to knock the lib outa ya.
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sooo invading a country > have a few military jets on standby..
talk about using a scalpel to scratch a tiny itch..
Had a military jet shot down a commercial jet full of innocent people, you would've been going apesh!t and claiming that it wasn't necessary.
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Had a military jet shot down a commercial jet full of innocent people, you would've been going apesh!t and claiming that it wasn't necessary.
but pulling supersonic next to one to bring it down ws ok? ;)
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My easter bunny will be at ur house with a bat to knock the lib outa ya.
Do we have a military officer threatening a civilian with physical harm? This could create an international incident
That's not very officerly of you, ...or very gentlemanly.
You will have to do better.
Ps - I like Godiva chocolates, ...not that cheap cadbury kind.
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Its not...take the jet thing..can't just fire one up..if its not ready, its not ready..Maybe 30 minutes for a fighter aircraft if it were prepo'd it takes hours to get a bomber ready..
Seymour Hirsch - who's been right about everything else in this debacle - says that the Pentagon has been told to prepare plans in which Iran can be struck within 24 hours of getting King George's say-so.
And that would finally get Gonzales off the front page, wouldn't it. :D
Until now I've assumed that Israel might be told to launch the first strike - as "self-defense" against Iran's nuclear program, of course. Then we can go in and "support our ally", yada yada yada....
But maybe the fate of those brave British spies... sorry, I meant "soldiers" ::) will be the way they choose to play the bullshit card.
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Seymour Hirsch - who's been right about everything else in this debacle - says that the Pentagon has been told to prepare plans in which Iran can be struck within 24 hours of getting King George's say-so.
And that would finally get Gonzales off the front page, wouldn't it. :D
Until now I've assumed that Israel might be told to launch the first strike - as "self-defense" against Iran's nuclear program, of course. Then we can go in and "support our ally", yada yada yada....
But maybe the fate of those brave British spies... sorry, I meant "soldiers" ::) will be the way they choose to play the bullshit card.
Ribo, don't tell me you didn't get the memo...Gonzales fired the prosecuters because Bush knew it would raise a stink. During that stink he could plan to attack Iran while people were distracted. As added bonus, he promised the brit soldiers a stake in the Iran oil if they agreed to be captured so that he would have a valid reason to attack Iran....Gonzales gets a stake in the oil also...I know you were on the Alex Jones mailing list...
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Ribo, don't tell me you didn't get the memo...Gonzales fired the prosecuters because Bush knew it would raise a stink. During that stink he could plan to attack Iran while people were distracted. As added bonus, he promised the brit soldiers a stake in the Iran oil if they agreed to be captured so that he would have a valid reason to attack Iran....Gonzales gets a stake in the oil also...I know you were on the Alex Jones mailing list...
Ignoring that nonsense...
You're not mentioning the fact that many of the members here have been saying that march 28 date for 12 weeks now.
Here we are on March 28 and while shit hasn't hit the fan, it's damn close. Suppose the crazy CT nuts are able to predict the attacks by a day or two, THREE MONTHS in advance. You'd have to admit at the very least, the white house saying there are no attack plans or dates, would look like some liars.
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Before the video was broadcast, a spokesman for British Prime Minister Tony Blair said any showing of British personnel on TV would be a breach of the Geneva Conventions.
I know it's not Iraq but the Geneva Conventions are only for British and US soldiers, allies?
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Ignoring that nonsense...
You're not mentioning the fact that many of the members here have been saying that march 28 date for 12 weeks now.
Here we are on March 28 and while shit hasn't hit the fan, it's damn close. Suppose the crazy CT nuts are able to predict the attacks by a day or two, THREE MONTHS in advance. You'd have to admit at the very least, the white house saying there are no attack plans or dates, would look like some liars.
Do you believe everything that Nostradamus predicted? Alot of people call it coincedence...maybe if an attack happens prior to midnight it could be coincedence?
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Do you believe everything that Nostradamus predicted? Alot of people call it coincedence...maybe if an attack happens prior to midnight it could be coincedence?
I don't know much about nostradamus. I am a strong believer in fate - our checkout date is determined when we're born, we're here for a purpose, we have free will but it's still all predetermined in its own chaotic way.
As ar as iran, that's predetermined by energy analysts. They tell the powers that be what day the US will run outta gas, and we plans wars accordingly. Simple as that.
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i don't believe in fate
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Unfortunately man, Ft. Leonard Wood
living there was comparable to being sent to alcatraz...one of the most depressing places i've been.
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living there was comparable to being sent to alcatraz...one of the most depressing places i've been.
thanks for the reminder!! at least land is cheap. I bought a 3 br 2 bth 10 acres for 98Gs
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I'm glad these 2 sailors that have "admitted" to being in Iranian waters aren't American. They would be violating the code of conduct by talking, and oh boy that would mean hot water if ever released.
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I'm glad these 2 sailors that have "admitted" to being in Iranian waters aren't American. They would be violating the code of conduct by talking, and oh boy that would mean hot water if ever released.
wait - if an American soldier talks on camera while being held captive, he gets in trouble when he gets home?
I know the old "name, rank, serial" then zip your lip when captured. But these guys could be mistreated, threatened, drugged, etc... Do they really prosecute guys who talk under capture?
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wait - if an American soldier talks on camera while being held captive, he gets in trouble when he gets home?
I know the old "name, rank, serial" then zip your lip when captured. But these guys could be mistreated, threatened, drugged, etc... Do they really prosecute guys who talk under capture?
It depends on what they are talking about. But yes if an American was on there admitting to being in Iranian waters it would probably be viewed that the prisoner was trying to work a deal to hasten his release. Article 5 of the Code of Conduct states that "I will make no oral or written statements that are disloyal to my country or it's allies of the are harmful to their cause".
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It depends on what they are talking about. But yes if an American was on there admitting to being in Iranian waters it would probably be viewed that the prisoner was trying to work a deal to hasten his release. Article 5 of the Code of Conduct states that "I will make no oral or written statements that are disloyal to my country or it's allies of the are harmful to their cause".
Do they hold soldiers to that standard if they are being coerced in any way?
If you were faced with torture, starvation, and having your genitals and fingers sliced off one by one, would you give up your mission/position info?
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Do they hold soldiers to that standard if they are being coerced in any way?
If you were faced with torture, starvation, and having your genitals and fingers sliced off one by one, would you give up your mission/position info?
I wouldn't, the 6 articles of the code of conduct make it clear you dont' do that under any circumstances. If they were cutting off my fingers, and I say "ok they are going to attack at 0600 on the 1st" and then they release me, I will be put for a trial upon my return and face death. I would rather die in captivity as a war hero than to die in America as a treasonist.
Article 1: I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
Article 2: I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
Article 3: If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy
Article 4: If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
Article 5: see last post
Article 6: I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
John McCain and his fellow prisoners have talked extensively on how these articles enabled them to keep hope during Vietnam
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Damn. I had no idea that the US would put you to death for info you give up while being tortured.
Wow.
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Damn. I had no idea that the US would put you to death for info you give up while being tortured.
Wow.
For sure man, and these articles have been around since Eisenhower enacted them in 1955 so don't try and blame it on Bush! ;)
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If they caught 15 Iranians floating 12 miles off of the USA coast, I bet a lot of getbiggers (and americans in general) would want them executed.
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wait - if an American soldier talks on camera while being held captive, he gets in trouble when he gets home?
I know the old "name, rank, serial" then zip your lip when captured. But these guys could be mistreated, threatened, drugged, etc... Do they really prosecute guys who talk under capture?
Only if they tell the truth.
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Damn. I had no idea that the US would put you to death for info you give up while being tortured.
Wow.
When recruits go through boot camp, they're taught all that stuff, but when the torture question is asked, commissioned officers in leadership positions will give a different response: "We understand that people can be made to say certain things as a result of coercion. You are required, however, to do whatever you can to avoid ever being in that situation."
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If they caught 15 Iranians floating 12 miles off of the USA coast, I bet a lot of getbiggers (and americans in general) would want them executed.
oh come on 240, executed? waterboarded maybe....any Family guy fans on here? The episode where Lois was teaching Chris about dating women and she had him standing in the tub of water. She asked him to name the women on sex and the city and he said the fourth one was Scrappy Doo! LMAO, so she had some dude electricute him!!! Lets do that to prisoners...
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oh come on 240, executed? waterboarded maybe
the iranians above are holding up a sign calling for execution. You know that if danny boniduche is ready to hang an american for asking a physics question, he'd support hanging 15 nosy iranians.
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the iranians above are holding up a sign calling for execution. You know that if danny boniduche is ready to hang an american for asking a physics question, he'd support hanging 15 nosy iranians.
yeah but Bonaduce is a crack head...no really he is...
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yeah but Bonaduce is a crack head...no really he is...
It took long enough, ...but we finally found something we can mutually agree on. :)