Shawn Ray had good ROM.True. I mean nobody is perfect but every pro except Quincy Taylor preaches below parallel squats but they all do partials. BTW, after seeing 300...your SN brings a whole new meaning to gay, but you're still all right. Lol
Why is it that all pros preach full reps but in their videos they never do them.
Jay in Flex workout
Branch in the Daily motion clips
JOJ pullups
Ronnie Leg Press
JOJ dips
I think the best leg reps I have ever seen are Milos's Fit Show and Jay doing Leg Press or Hack Squats. Speak on this. I really don't care but if you look to a pro saying to do ATG squats and then Branch doesn't look like he's going to parallel in his videos.
Yea, Jay's laterals are like high pulls. "Ronnie's" article talk about this. I just found it amusing after seeing Branch's clips. From what I have read...unless you are an Olympic lifter there is no point to going ATG.
Jay would ALWAYS clarify the difference of what should be done and what he does. I remember one of his articles he clearly states that his style is "sloppy" and "balistic" because he uses momentum.
Ronnie doesn't preach at all. ;D
Never heard any of the other guys opinions on the topic.
But then again we all know they're not really the ones writing the articles. ;)
Why is it that all pros preach full reps but in their videos they never do them.
Jay in Flex workout
Branch in the Daily motion clips
JOJ pullups
Ronnie Leg Press
JOJ dips
Because when you're on gear, ANYTHING works!
No...when you have great GENETICS...anything works.
When you have mediocre genetics..like you do..even the gear won't get you to the pro's. You still havent figured it out yet, huh?
Bullshit, you have mediocre genetics and it took you 15 years to turn pro, and if you don't think that being on a ton gear (or even half of that) doesn't make difference you're more in denial that I expected, do you think every pro has superior genetics? Your sadly mistaken if you do.
BTW, If I had decided to risk my life and turn pro, you would have been the least of my problems!!
My inability to turn pro was completely due to not being able to get "dry"...final prep related, not training or muscle.
BTW...not everybody has to "risk their life" to turn pro....the mere fact that you think you needed to take it to that level in order to succeed, only proves you had average genetics, and needed the gear to try and make up the difference...
As for me being the "least of your problems"...you're right...were in two different leagues, pal.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA-NILE!!
Ok, dude whatever. It took 15 years to dial it in and get dry..... WTF?
And re-read the post, I said if "IF" I would have turned pro you would have been the least of my problems and since I took next to nothing maybe a little more would have made the difference, you've seen my past pics, you figure it out!!
I've never seen any pic of you...feel free to post one.
Because when you're on gear, ANYTHING works!
I'm going by your own posts, and the level you got to.
Post up a few pics...I'l give you an honest assessment.
Ok real FUCKING FUNNY asshole, where did you find that pic of me? I don't care post it if you want, I was at a friend's birthday party and I was drunk off my ass and having a great time. I got laid later that night, I bet you have NEVER gotten pussy in your life FUCKFACE. I had only been working out a year when that pic had been taken so BIG FUCKING DEAL. You want a cookie or somethin?
Still waiting on those pics, Mr. I.....Yeah, if you don't post some shots, automatic self owning.
Still waiting on those pics, Mr. I.....
You're more delusional than I suspected.....Take a look at my pics/ video footage from when I was 13-16 years old....I would hardly describe my genetics as mediocre, neither would anyone else who knows BB....but that kind of answers why you would say that.
My inability to turn pro was completely due to not being able to get "dry"...final prep related, not training or muscle.
BTW...not everybody has to "risk their life" to turn pro....the mere fact that you think you needed to take it to that level in order to succeed, only proves you had average genetics, and needed the gear to try and make up the difference...
As for me being the "least of your problems"...you're right...were in two different leagues, pal.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA-NILE!!
Can you post some pics or footage?? Or links?
Very good physique...
And you think If you jacked up the juice, you would have been a pro? Come on bro.....
Don't know, we will never know, but there are alot of other pro's with worse genetics!
Very good physique...hello bob.. i have never spoke to you personally.. i respect your physique...
And you think If you jacked up the juice, you would have been a pro? Come on bro.....
Don't know, we will never know, but there are alot of other pro's with worse genetics!
seriously...you had ave. genetics at best...nothing bad, nothing great...to keep insisting you would have been a pro is ridiculous. You wouldn't have. Quit carrying that giant chip on you shoulder and accept the fact that you just didnt have what it takes....
hello bob.. i have never spoke to you personally.. i respect your physique...
but i have to ask.. this why could intenseone not be pro?
when we have guys like kamali... for example who is pro..
???
i think you are wrong here... intodays current climate of pro's...
it doesnt take any special genetics to be pro...
just lots of drugs..
i see no reason what soever why intensone juding on that pic couldnt be pro...
and a damn good one at that.
just my 2 cents
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Well...lets assume everyone at the national level is taking gear...it's a level playing field. What do you think seperates the winners from the losers?
Gear doesnt give you a small waist, or broad shoulders, or sweeping thighs...or great symmetry.
what about guys like kamily or kavacas? Their wastes are the size of their shoulders?
kovacs had a much better physique when he was an amateur...if anything he showed exactly waht MORE gear does to a physique....he also turned pro via the Canadian route...if he had to win the Nats or the USA, he would still be an amateur.
King had a small waist...it only got bigger after the fact...the bigger he got, bigger the waist gets, not unlike anyone else. Notice how much better he looked as the season went on last year, and he dropped down.
No...when you have great GENETICS...anything works.
When you have mediocre genetics..like you do..even the gear won't get you to the pro's. You still havent figured it out yet, huh?
why not get in shape NOW, take pictures, and use those new pictures to prove your point
the past is the past
you are still very big, you just have to diet down, it would be too easy
If that's the conclusion you get,after over 25 years in b.b,
you are living in brutal denial .
Woooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
kovacs had a much better physique when he was an amateur...if anything he showed exactly waht MORE gear does to a physique....he also turned pro via the Canadian route...if he had to win the Nats or the USA, he would still be an amateur.
King had a small waist...it only got bigger after the fact...the bigger he got, bigger the waist gets, not unlike anyone else. Notice how much better he looked as the season went on last year, and he dropped down.
so what's your point? you saying that it's easy turning pro in Canada?
Not too many USA and Nationals winners went on to make a big splash these last few years...
Chris (the bodybuilding drop-out) Cook
Capriese (never did anything ) Murray
Richard (alot of hype ) Jones
Jason Arntz
Derik Farnsworth
Garett Downing
get the point??
the list goes on and on... If the nationals are so "tough" then clearly these past guys, who all got their pro-cards from there, should be top-pro's right? ::)
PS- i'm not defending Kovacs, he's a monstrosity,
just dont diss Canadian Nationals like it's an easy way to turn pro, because its not.
1 or 2 pro-cards every YEAR, thats it!
seriously...you had ave. genetics at best...nothing bad, nothing great...to keep insisting you would have been a pro is ridiculous. You wouldn't have. Quit carrying that giant chip on you shoulder and accept the fact that you just didnt have what it takes....
there is no shame that you tried and failed...only in blaming lack of gear for it.
ill say one sentence about the subject
in general,,a guy with the potentilal to become a pro will look jacked before he gets on hormones,,i noticed in usa that you like to laugh at the ymca,,,but if you notice those christian boys there,, some of them got a natural physiqe that have the potential to go far,,i have been to coulple ymcas in the usa and i always find good % of guys there to have very good natural phsyiqe,,dont know why,,guess the body is their temple :D
wait this is more then one sentence,,but we all know me and english are no friends ;)
ill say one sentence about the subjectYou protest too much, methinks. ;)
in general,,a guy with the potentilal to become a pro will look jacked before he gets on hormones,,i noticed in usa that you like to laugh at the ymca,,,but if you notice those christian boys there,, some of them got a natural physiqe that have the potential to go far,,i have been to coulple ymcas in the usa and i always find good % of guys there to have very good natural phsyiqe,,dont know why,,guess the body is their temple :D
wait this is more then one sentence,,but we all know me and english are no friends ;)
Speaking of denial, how are you sure of this?
agreed.... but intenseone does have a small waiste in those pictures...
Well...lets assume everyone at the national level is taking gear...it's a level playing field. What do you think seperates the winners from the losers?
Gear doesnt give you a small waist, or broad shoulders, or sweeping thighs...or great symmetry.
Huh :-\??
1-Read the question that started this topic.
The Advice of the Pro is to train with proper form in mags and dvd's....yet when you see them train they show u other wise...
Drug is the factor they can quit the drug and train "Smarter" and eat "healthy" yet they will look like shit in a matter of week.
2-If youre a bb on drugs competing for over 5-6 years and don't get your pro card you have crappy genetics.
plain and simple!
look at guys like Gaspari,Flex Wheler,Padilla,Haney,Paris,Robinson,Levrone,Shawn Ray,Oliva,Arnold,Labrada, etc,most of this bbers became pro In a shorter period of 5 years of trying while on the "sauce".
When you see guys competing for over 7,8 or even 10 years and still not getting Pro status Its clear they are far from "genetic material" so when these "perseverant folks" keep going after that long period of time i'd say it's a matter of Drug and desire but not genetics...because the potential is just not there.
woshhhhhhhhhhh
1- Read the question that started this topic.
The Advice of the Pro is to train with proper form in mags and dvd's....yet when you see them train they show u otherwise...
Drug is the factor!! they can quit the drug and train "Smarter" and eat "healthy" yet they will look like shit in a matter of weeks.
2- If youre a bb on drugs competing for over 5-6 years and don't get your pro card you have crappy genetics.
plain and simple!
look at guys like Gaspari,Flex Wheler,Padilla,Haney,Paris,Robinson,Levrone,Shawn Ray,Oliva,Arnold,Labrada, etc,most of this bbers became pro In a shorter period of 5 years of trying while on the "sauce".
When you see guys competing for over 7,8 or even 10 years and still not getting Pro status Its clear they are far from "genetic material" so when these "perseverant folks" keep going after that long period of time i'd say it's a matter of Drug and desire but not genetics...because the potential is just not there.
woshhhhhhhhhhh
Actually the original title was modified. wooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Whatever form's used doesn't necessarily relate to drug use, you're confusing cause & effect. Wrong correlation.
Same with longer-term pros who don't get Pro status: there are multiple reasons not simply the ones you've decided matter.
Actually the original title was modified. wooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Whatever form's used doesn't necessarily relate to drug use, you're confusing cause & effect. Wrong correlation.
Same with longer-term pros who don't get Pro status: there are multiple reasons not simply the ones you've decided matter.
I'm not confused,I didn't bring the "Gear or Genetics"talk to this thread... i'm just playing alone in this thread full of naive friends.
Woooooshhhhhhh
No offence, but I wouldn't put Gaspari at the top of the bodybuilding gene pool.
Exactly....Toney Freeman, Leo Ingram, myself...there have been many with the genetics, etc. that took longer....it certainly wasn't due to gear.
Nobody is "dissing" Canadian BB....but to compare the level to that of the USA's or Nationals is ludicrous. BTW...you mention a few names, but fail to realize we have a lot MORE pro's...there are only so many "best in the world" so numbers wise, of course they'll be more names to NOT make it.
name me the last pro to come out of Canada that has done anything of significance?
Here's a few names for you:
Phil Heath
Toney Freeman
Johnny Jackson
Branch Warren
Mark Dugdale
Desmond Miller
etc
etc
ill say one sentence about the subject
in general,,a guy with the potentilal to become a pro will look jacked before he gets on hormones,,i noticed in usa that you like to laugh at the ymca,,,but if you notice those christian boys there,, some of them got a natural physiqe that have the potential to go far,,i have been to coulple ymcas in the usa and i always find good % of guys there to have very good natural phsyiqe,,dont know why,,guess the body is their temple :D
wait this is more then one sentence,,but we all know me and english are no friends ;)
I think Mr.I has great genetics. His muscle shape is great.i agree, he looked fantastic there.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121306.0;attach=136491;image)
No offence, but I wouldn't put Gaspari at the top of the bodybuilding gene pool.
I think Mr.I has great genetics. His muscle shape is great.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121306.0;attach=136491;image)
true, but bob and gh15 said that to go pro he should look like that before using gearthat is horsehit..
that is horsehit..
i think smetimes pro's would like to have other people think they are supermen.. but take it from me... and i do have good genes they are not.. afew of them yes.. extraordinaery ie coleman.... victor richards and dillet.. are walkin muscle building machines...
....
i mean look at young pics of nasser and.....
dorian.. im sure if bob saw those pics now and the were unknown and they said they could be pro he would say the same...
seriously...you had ave. genetics at best...nothing bad, nothing great...to keep insisting you would have been a pro is ridiculous. You wouldn't have. Quit carrying that giant chip on you shoulder and accept the fact that you just didnt have what it takes....
there is no shame that you tried and failed...only in blaming lack of gear for it.
haha owned 8)
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What was your cycle like when you looked like that? You look awesome there.
what is maxibolin ???
His (Chicks) are about as average as mine........so no, not owned!
there's no way Joe could be a pro TODAY but i think he colud have been one in the mid to late 70's.
No way today.......I'm not that stupid........mid 80's possibly, but remember, it would have been in the lower classes.yeah like i said man you looked great, every bit as good as Zane IMO.
You had a Great physique. But your assumption that more Gear would make you a PRO is Absurd to say the least. Every body COULD, WOULD, IF.....let's just stop with this DAY DREAMING ....
Mr. Intenseone is no mr. Olympia but he had shape and proportions which I guess make Bob angry cause he never had symmetry.
I am surprised Bob turned pro with average genetics. He would make a better rower or some other sissy sport where you cover yourself up.
Mr. Intenseone is no mr. Olympia but he had shape and proportions which I guess make Bob angry cause he never had symmetry.
I am surprised Bob turned pro with average genetics. He would make a better rower or some other sissy sport where you cover yourself up.
Bob owns you, girly man !
what i said in broken english was that a pro potential will already have 17-18 inch arms before he touches the gear,,he will already have sculpted developed delts and thick wide full chest before he touches gear,,and HE WILL NEVER BE ALL ARMS,,he might be "all arms" when you compare him to other pros.. but each and every muscle on the individual's physiqe will be developed,,yes even calves,,you may think they are small but only because you compare them to other pros,,
now you must understand that you dont have to be huge to win a pro card,,you need to have the best combination of lean muscle mass,,,,muscle shape,,cuts/definition and symetry/proportions
when you have all that built in and won your pro card then you can build on it size wize! some build it good like dexter jackson and some build it less good like kamali,,
each and every bodybuilder who won a pro card had his physiqe sliced and judged to the t by numerous assholes,,and bodybuilding judges do not afraid to put you right in your place no matter how hard you worked and how many drugs you took
each and every bodybuilder who won a pro card had something uniqe to his physiqe to begin with BEFORE TOUCHING HORMONES
im hungry bye