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Title: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: CalvinH on April 10, 2007, 10:23:26 AM
MSN sports is reporting Pacman Jones has been suspended without pay for 1 year.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2007, 10:45:54 AM
*APPLAUSE*  This just made my day.  Finally, some cojones by the NFL.  Good for them. 

Updated: April 10, 2007, 1:26 PM ET
Goodell suspends Pacman, Henry for arrests
ESPN.com news services

Adam "Pacman" Jones of Tennessee was suspended Tuesday for the 2007 NFL season and Chris Henry of Cincinnati received an eight-game suspension -- both for numerous violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.

The two players are suspended without pay, the NFL announced.

After they serve their suspensions, each player must apply for reinstatement.

"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

In a letter to each player, Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."

Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was interviewed by police. The most recent took place in Las Vegas during the NBA All-Star weekend. Las Vegas police have recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club that paralyzed one man.

Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span, resulting in two benchings by coach Marvin Lewis and a two-game league suspension. He was one of nine Bengals arrested in nine months.

Jones' suspension carries the following conditions:

• He must have no more run-in with law enforcement.

• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.

• He must obey the restrictions that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.

• He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or workouts during his suspension. Starting June 1, he must visit the team facility once per week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other activities.

• In conjunction with the Titans, Jones must develop a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the NFL for approval.

Henry will be reinstated after the Bengals' eighth regular-season game if he meets the following conditions:

• He must have no more run-in with law enforcement.

• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.

• He is allowed to be at the Bengals' facilities during the rest of the offseason and he must meet weekly with the team's player development director.

• If he fully complies with all conditions, he may participate in the training camp and Bengals preseason games.

• During the 2007 season, he must meet weekly with the team's player development director, but he may not attend or participate in practice.

• He must fully comply with all conditions imposed on him by any court, including requirements of community service.

If Jones and Henry do not fully comply with these conditions, they could be permanently banished from the NFL.

"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Goodell wrote to the players. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."
 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 10, 2007, 10:58:16 AM
Should have been about 10 years, thats how long he should be in prison.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Oldschool Flip on April 10, 2007, 11:04:11 AM
This of course will definitely change how teams will view a player when they are to be drafted. Where-in before they thought that just because they have tremendous on field talents, their off field behaviors will truly dictate whether or not a team wants to take a chance on them. I'm not saying they shouldn't be drafted, but most with a history of off field problems, they probably won't be 1st or 2nd round picks anymore, thereby affecting what they could have made if they were a 1st rounder.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 10, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
This of course will definitely change how teams will view a player when they are to be drafted. Where-in before they thought that just because they have tremendous on field talents, their off field behaviors will truly dictate whether or not a team wants to take a chance on them. I'm not saying they shouldn't be drafted, but most with a history of off field problems, they probably won't be 1st or 2nd round picks anymore, thereby affecting what they could have made if they were a 1st rounder.
Wow, the Miami hurricanes might never have another player drafted.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 10, 2007, 02:27:11 PM
That piece of shit should have been banned for life. Someone was shot and killed because of his bullshit at that strip club.

Bout time the NFL manned up.

Chris Henry is a real douchebag. He should have gotten suspended for a year also with his 5 arrests in 6 months.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: blinky on April 10, 2007, 02:41:09 PM
i agree with everyone here...its about damn time a pro league starts doing this. lets hope this continues and other leagues(nba) start as well.

old school makes a good point.... i think it will change how teams draft now. this doesnt only hurt the player but the team as well. now the titans have to play a full year without him. teams will be more cautious drafting these shit bags.



and if he is convicted of any of these crimes he should then be banned from the league
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on April 10, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
You can take the gangster out of the hood....
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 10, 2007, 02:47:21 PM
I actually think that there should have been a rule and penalties before they laid down the boom...Thats like having a kid and not telling him the rules and him doing somethin and you gounding him for a year...I dont agree with the timing
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Doug_Steele on April 10, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Weren't they Teammates at West Virginia?
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on April 10, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
I actually think that there should have been a rule and penalties before they laid down the boom...Thats like having a kid and not telling him the rules and him doing somethin and you gounding him for a year...I dont agree with the timing
It's called a precedent and Pacman's thug ass should end up in jail but it won't.  If were lucky he'll go slanging dope and get killed.  One less idiot black "role model" for other blacks.  I'm glad he gets zero money and has to aply for reinstatement.  Pacman knows about the rules of everyday society and laws in the world and he broke them, repeatedly.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: blinky on April 10, 2007, 02:58:42 PM
I actually think that there should have been a rule and penalties before they laid down the boom...Thats like having a kid and not telling him the rules and him doing somethin and you gounding him for a year...I dont agree with the timing




  Pacman knows about the rules of everyday society and laws in the world and he broke them, repeatedly.

Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Oldschool Flip on April 11, 2007, 07:11:31 AM
I actually think that there should have been a rule and penalties before they laid down the boom...Thats like having a kid and not telling him the rules and him doing somethin and you gounding him for a year...I dont agree with the timing
I agree with the suspension and it's about time that the "thugs" get disciplined. They wouldn't be thugs if they had the discipline when they were growing up.
Pardoning the ongoing behavior with a fine and penalty is a slap in the face of the players who are model citizens. That's part of the reason our crime rates overall as a nation are getting more horrid.
Where talking back to your parents and elders with disrepectful answers was a no no for me growing up, MTV and other New Generation programs make a "reality show" out of it and have these kids watch them. And sometimes we wonder why kids act like idiots?
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2007, 07:58:26 AM
I agree with the suspension and it's about time that the "thugs" get disciplined. They wouldn't be thugs if they had the discipline when they were growing up.
Pardoning the ongoing behavior with a fine and penalty is a slap in the face of the players who are model citizens. That's part of the reason our crime rates overall as a nation are getting more horrid.
Where talking back to your parents and elders with disrepectful answers was a no no for me growing up, MTV and other New Generation programs make a "reality show" out of it and have these kids watch them. And sometimes we wonder why kids act like idiots?


All im saying is this...There should have been a clear cut policy before you land a penality...like serious


It's called a precedent and Pacman's thug ass should end up in jail but it won't.  If were lucky he'll go slanging dope and get killed.  One less idiot black "role model" for other blacks.  I'm glad he gets zero money and has to aply for reinstatement.  Pacman knows about the rules of everyday society and laws in the world and he broke them, repeatedly.

That is the pretty stupid..How do you levy a penality with rules that every agrees on...Im not saying nothing should be done, but i am saying a penality with rules to break is bull crap. For example... Take the Roy williams rule...He used to use the horse collar tackle...Well if he did that a few times and broke some ankles(T.O.) and they all of the sudden said man u broke one too many ankles so we are gonna give you a penality...Dude thats crap...But what did they do...They saw it was a problem and then said "ok this needs to change...no more horse collar tackles or you get a personal foul penality" NOW any horse collar tackle after that will be penalized...But to punish with out agreed upon rules is crap.....dont let Preconceptions cloud judgement.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 11, 2007, 08:51:44 AM
I actually think that there should have been a rule and penalties before they laid down the boom...Thats like having a kid and not telling him the rules and him doing somethin and you gounding him for a year...I dont agree with the timing

He had no idea shooting up a nightclub, paralyzing a guy was most likely against the rules?
PacMan should be in jail for 20 years, hope somebody snuffs his ass out, he is a waste of a human being.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2007, 08:54:42 AM
He had no idea shooting up a nightclub, paralyzing a guy was most likely against the rules?
PacMan should be in jail for 20 years, hope somebody snuffs his ass out, he is a waste of a human being.

Yeah spoken like a dumbass...Dude you think if he actually shot someone he would be walking around right now and not in jail? Put on your thinking cap..take your crap to the v..please think before you post...this thread is for rational posts only
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: TrapsMcLats on April 11, 2007, 09:26:24 AM
I've already heard numerous radio shows where people are making this a racial issue, and it makes me laugh my ass off.  The NFL is a registered trademark, pacman jones is giving it a bad name, which could be construed as copyright infringement (crazy but true, learned about this kinda shit in entertainment law class).  The NFL has a right to suspend him, regardless of previous rules.  he is not in command, he is just another athlete who gets paid by the NFL.  To quote the commisioner:

"It is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement announcing the suspensions. "These players and all members of our league have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

That statement is the simple truth of the matter.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2007, 09:41:47 AM
I've already heard numerous radio shows where people are making this a racial issue, and it makes me laugh my ass off.  The NFL is a registered trademark, pacman jones is giving it a bad name, which could be construed as copyright infringement (crazy but true, learned about this kinda shit in entertainment law class).  The NFL has a right to suspend him, regardless of previous rules.  he is not in command, he is just another athlete who gets paid by the NFL.  To quote the commisioner:

"It is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement announcing the suspensions. "These players and all members of our league have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

That statement is the simple truth of the matter.

But still. im not sure if thats stated in the contract what the penalities are for that...also

who determines exactly constitutes as "giving the nfl a bad name"  what if a player's wife says he beat her and he has to go to court but he is found innocent... does that equal "bad for the nfl label"
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 11, 2007, 09:45:46 AM
Yeah spoken like a dumbass...Dude you think if he actually shot someone he would be walking around right now and not in jail? Put on your thinking cap..take your crap to the v..please think before you post...this thread is for rational posts only

They suspect he knows who did it dumb ass and that the person that did it was part of Pac's group, also its been stated the moron Pacman was hollering he would kill someone in the bar.

Fuck him, put his nasty ass in jail and let him rot with the rest of his gangland buddies.  hes a piece of dog shit that doesn't belong in the NFL.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: TrapsMcLats on April 11, 2007, 09:56:51 AM
But still. im not sure if thats stated in the contract what the penalities are for that...also

who determines exactly constitutes as "giving the nfl a bad name"  what if a player's wife says he beat her and he has to go to court but he is found innocent... does that equal "bad for the nfl label"

Well, i am assuming the NFL has quite a team of lawyers and analysts for this type of situation, as does the NFL players union, and notice that the players union hasn't made a fucking PEEP yet because they know pacman is a ghetto thug and needs to be punished.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 11, 2007, 10:06:50 AM
Weren't they Teammates at West Virginia?

Yes indeed they were. Good point there......
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: jerseyhurricane on April 11, 2007, 01:44:54 PM
I'm soooo happy PacMan is getting a one year suspension...doesn't seem harsh enough, though. Should be at least 2 years. he'll screw up again. It's in his nature.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Doug_Steele on April 11, 2007, 02:01:50 PM
Well, i am assuming the NFL has quite a team of lawyers and analysts for this type of situation, as does the NFL players union, and notice that the players union hasn't made a fucking PEEP yet because they know pacman is a ghetto thug and needs to be punished.
True, Pacman is a talented guy who is throwing is life down the tubes and he thinks that money can buy his way out of anything. The NFL has a policy for every Rookie that comes into the league that is mandatory about the leagues rules and policy's. I know when Brian Griese got a DUI he had to go the classes that the NFL provides and any other player that gets into trouble. Gene Upshaw should want to see punishments like this and let other players know that this or anything like this is unacceptable. I know that the NFL offers classes for players that want or need help for anything and with Adam "Pacman" Jones he has been arrested 4 other times and with the situation in Vegas, the man had his chances. I do not believe he is a thug, this is his wake up call and he and every other NFL athlete better realize, wake up and be a man and not a thug, your playing in the NFL bro, something most college players will never do and make that kind of money. In the end do i feel sorry for him, no way...the man had his chances and now he has a year to reflect
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2007, 02:03:13 PM
True, Pacman is a talented guy who is throwing is life down the tubes and he thinks that money can buy his way out of anything. The NFL has a policy for every Rookie that comes into the league that is mandatory about the leagues rules and policy's. I know when Brian Griese got a DUI he had to go the classes that the NFL provides and any other player that gets into trouble. Gene Upshaw should want to see punishments like this and let other players know that this or anything like this is unacceptable. I know that the NFL offers classes for players that want or need help for anything and with Adam "Pacman" Jones he has been arrested 4 other times and with the situation in Vegas, the man had his chances. I do not believe he is a thug, this is his wake up call and he and every other NFL athlete better realize, wake up and be a man and not a thug, your playing in the NFL bro, something most college players will never do and make that kind of money. In the end do i feel sorry for him, no way...the man had his chances and now he has a year to reflect


can he go to canada for a year
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Camel Jockey on April 11, 2007, 02:05:59 PM
But still. im not sure if thats stated in the contract what the penalities are for that...also

who determines exactly constitutes as "giving the nfl a bad name"  what if a player's wife says he beat her and he has to go to court but he is found innocent... does that equal "bad for the nfl label"

There are certain things expected from every person living in a civilized country like the United States.

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They suspect he knows who did it dumb ass and that the person that did it was part of Pac's group, also its been stated the moron Pacman was hollering he would kill someone in the bar.

Fuck him, put his nasty ass in jail and let him rot with the rest of his gangland buddies.  hes a piece of dog shit that doesn't belong in the NFL.

Finally we agree on something!
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: w8tlftr on April 11, 2007, 02:08:24 PM
MSN sports is reporting Pacman Jones has been suspended without pay for 1 year.

Good
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Doug_Steele on April 11, 2007, 02:34:22 PM

can he go to Canada for a year
Maybe...if Ricky Williams did....but look at Adam "Pacman" Jones...different situations
1. Ricky Williams = POT HEAD
2 Adam "Pacman" Jones = arrested multiple times and in one case is being "connected" with someone getting shot and paralyzed
3. Some Canadian team might take a chance on him..but i would like to see him refelect on what his actions have done to him and to the NFL
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: body88 on April 11, 2007, 06:10:48 PM
Pacman has to much talent to not be picked up by a team willing to "work" with him if the titans tell him to hit the bricks. Expect him to be playing in the nfl if he lives past this year. He will sign a one year deal with a multi year option. The deal will be laden with incentives and clauses.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on April 11, 2007, 09:38:13 PM

All im saying is this...There should have been a clear cut policy before you land a penality...like serious


That is the pretty stupid..How do you levy a penality with rules that every agrees on...Im not saying nothing should be done, but i am saying a penality with rules to break is bull crap. For example... Take the Roy williams rule...He used to use the horse collar tackle...Well if he did that a few times and broke some ankles(T.O.) and they all of the sudden said man u broke one too many ankles so we are gonna give you a penality...Dude thats crap...But what did they do...They saw it was a problem and then said "ok this needs to change...no more horse collar tackles or you get a personal foul penality" NOW any horse collar tackle after that will be penalized...But to punish with out agreed upon rules is crap.....dont let Preconceptions cloud judgement.
No, this is how precedents are set my friend.  the precedent is set so now it is a rule.  He is a complete moron and disgrace to the game and to his "people" and should be shown that PIECE OF SHIT THUGS get jail time for acting like bangers.  Don't defend the moron.  I hope he lands in jail but because of his money he won't.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 12, 2007, 05:30:31 AM
I hope if he comes back, somebody takes his knee out on the first play.   This guy will end up broke , living on the street, eventually in prison for murder.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2007, 06:47:14 AM
No, this is how precedents are set my friend.  the precedent is set so now it is a rule.  He is a complete moron and disgrace to the game and to his "people" and should be shown that PIECE OF SHIT THUGS get jail time for acting like bangers.  Don't defend the moron.  I hope he lands in jail but because of his money he won't.

Ok im gonna address the precedent in a min...First off. Gone are the days where one person represents a group...Just as tiger woods, michael jordan, robert johnson, al (i hate this guy) sharpton, and jesse (march for any little thing) jackson, dont represent me. neither do the criminals who are black...So the his "people" shit, you can toss that. Because if one person can represent a race, dude think about it..if youre white "old rooster" represents you. Dude i wont subject a race to that. Now for the defending him thing. Im not defending. He could use a wake up call to put his life in prespective and he can evaluate what he has in front of him and what he has been given. Im simply stating that he has had run ins with the law right....explain these run ins...Detained and questioned right? Never convicted, never at trial. Dude if he is suspended for a year without pay for being questioned then every other player that has been convicted of something should get longer. And for the precedent thing. Dude what if a police officer wanted to set a precedent on you...No law maybe against doing activity A..it may be unattractive but still no law. You mean to tell me that with out laws on the books that you should to go to court and a harsh sentence be brought down and the court says well this is a precedent...thats crap...Usually...If there is an activity that needs to be addressed then one might say. Ok this has been a problem..well here is the new rule. Now anyone who violates this rule is subject to this punishment. But to suspend someone for actions that havent been defined in a rule book nor deemed an infraction, is total crap. Now if they said "pacman u have been a fuck up and are now on probation and if you do anything else "a" will happen." that would be more acceptable.  And precedents arent set with in criminal cases. Precedents are usually set with awards in a suit. Like if a major drug has been the cause of numerous deaths, the first case, outcome, and award can serve as a precedent...thats why in court they say "see blah vs blah" and when its used in criminal cases the original infraction was defined before any of the defendants are arrested...because if not..you can just be arrested, but what would be the charge..you cant arrest someone and then make a law for what you arrested him for after the fact. thats in essence what we are talking about.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Old_Rooster on April 12, 2007, 07:31:35 AM
Ok im gonna address the precedent in a min...First off. Gone are the days where one person represents a group...Just as tiger woods, michael jordan, robert johnson, al (i hate this guy) sharpton, and jesse (march for any little thing) jackson, dont represent me. neither do the criminals who are black...So the his "people" shit, you can toss that. Because if one person can represent a race, dude think about it..if youre white "old rooster" represents you. Dude i wont subject a race to that. Now for the defending him thing. Im not defending. He could use a wake up call to put his life in prespective and he can evaluate what he has in front of him and what he has been given. Im simply stating that he has had run ins with the law right....explain these run ins...Detained and questioned right? Never convicted, never at trial. Dude if he is suspended for a year without pay for being questioned then every other player that has been convicted of something should get longer. And for the precedent thing. Dude what if a police officer wanted to set a precedent on you...No law maybe against doing activity A..it may be unattractive but still no law. You mean to tell me that with out laws on the books that you should to go to court and a harsh sentence be brought down and the court says well this is a precedent...thats crap...Usually...If there is an activity that needs to be addressed then one might say. Ok this has been a problem..well here is the new rule. Now anyone who violates this rule is subject to this punishment. But to suspend someone for actions that havent been defined in a rule book nor deemed an infraction, is total crap. Now if they said "pacman u have been a fuck up and are now on probation and if you do anything else "a" will happen." that would be more acceptable.  And precedents arent set with in criminal cases. Precedents are usually set with awards in a suit. Like if a major drug has been the cause of numerous deaths, the first case, outcome, and award can serve as a precedent...thats why in court they say "see blah vs blah" and when its used in criminal cases the original infraction was defined before any of the defendants are arrested...because if not..you can just be arrested, but what would be the charge..you cant arrest someone and then make a law for what you arrested him for after the fact. thats in essence what we are talking about.

Anyone that totes 81 thousand bucks around in a garbage sack should actually be committed to a mental institution.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: body88 on April 12, 2007, 08:21:34 AM
Ok im gonna address the precedent in a min...First off. Gone are the days where one person represents a group...Just as tiger woods, michael jordan, robert johnson, al (i hate this guy) sharpton, and jesse (march for any little thing) jackson, dont represent me. neither do the criminals who are black...So the his "people" shit, you can toss that. Because if one person can represent a race, dude think about it..if youre white "old rooster" represents you. Dude i wont subject a race to that. Now for the defending him thing. Im not defending. He could use a wake up call to put his life in prespective and he can evaluate what he has in front of him and what he has been given. Im simply stating that he has had run ins with the law right....explain these run ins...Detained and questioned right? Never convicted, never at trial. Dude if he is suspended for a year without pay for being questioned then every other player that has been convicted of something should get longer. And for the precedent thing. Dude what if a police officer wanted to set a precedent on you...No law maybe against doing activity A..it may be unattractive but still no law. You mean to tell me that with out laws on the books that you should to go to court and a harsh sentence be brought down and the court says well this is a precedent...thats crap...Usually...If there is an activity that needs to be addressed then one might say. Ok this has been a problem..well here is the new rule. Now anyone who violates this rule is subject to this punishment. But to suspend someone for actions that havent been defined in a rule book nor deemed an infraction, is total crap. Now if they said "pacman u have been a fuck up and are now on probation and if you do anything else "a" will happen." that would be more acceptable.  And precedents arent set with in criminal cases. Precedents are usually set with awards in a suit. Like if a major drug has been the cause of numerous deaths, the first case, outcome, and award can serve as a precedent...thats why in court they say "see blah vs blah" and when its used in criminal cases the original infraction was defined before any of the defendants are arrested...because if not..you can just be arrested, but what would be the charge..you cant arrest someone and then make a law for what you arrested him for after the fact. thats in essence what we are talking about.

Mal I see your point, but where does the nfl draw the line?  Ten incidents with the police over one year is a lot. Pac mans own family was admitting he was out of control.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2007, 08:26:18 AM
Mal I see your point, but where does the nfl draw the line?  Ten incidents with the police over one year is a lot. Pac mans own family was admitting he was out of control.

exactly... i agree. but place  law or rule first...then if he does 1 more thing he is fucked...but this just smells wrong to me...because they can set a "precedent" anytime they feel based on this...
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Tre on April 12, 2007, 09:09:27 AM
because they can set a "precedent" anytime they feel based on this...

Yes, they can.

The NFL is a business - their business - and they (the owners who are represented by the commissioner) get to decide whether having him involved in the league is good for their business. 

Taking a hard line like this helps to preserve all the ad revenue streams that have helped to make the NFL the #1 sport in America.  That product has a ton of value and they have to protect it. 

The NFL has done the right thing here in making an example out of Jones. 


Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2007, 09:12:59 AM
Yes, they can.

The NFL is a business - their business - and they (the owners who are represented by the commissioner) get to decide whether having him involved in the league is good for their business. 

Taking a hard line like this helps to preserve all the ad revenue streams that have helped to make the NFL the #1 sport in America.   That product has a ton of value and they have to protect it. 

The NFL has done the right thing here in making an example out of Jones. 




No paul T made NFL number 1 in america...and he thought long and hard over such issues. He is a lawyer to right...he is familiar with due process
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on April 12, 2007, 02:11:36 PM
Ok im gonna address the precedent in a min...First off. Gone are the days where one person represents a group...Just as tiger woods, michael jordan, robert johnson, al (i hate this guy) sharpton, and jesse (march for any little thing) jackson, dont represent me. neither do the criminals who are black...So the his "people" shit, you can toss that. Because if one person can represent a race, dude think about it..if youre white "old rooster" represents you. Dude i wont subject a race to that. Now for the defending him thing. Im not defending. He could use a wake up call to put his life in prespective and he can evaluate what he has in front of him and what he has been given. Im simply stating that he has had run ins with the law right....explain these run ins...Detained and questioned right? Never convicted, never at trial. Dude if he is suspended for a year without pay for being questioned then every other player that has been convicted of something should get longer. And for the precedent thing. Dude what if a police officer wanted to set a precedent on you...No law maybe against doing activity A..it may be unattractive but still no law. You mean to tell me that with out laws on the books that you should to go to court and a harsh sentence be brought down and the court says well this is a precedent...thats crap...Usually...If there is an activity that needs to be addressed then one might say. Ok this has been a problem..well here is the new rule. Now anyone who violates this rule is subject to this punishment. But to suspend someone for actions that havent been defined in a rule book nor deemed an infraction, is total crap. Now if they said "pacman u have been a fuck up and are now on probation and if you do anything else "a" will happen." that would be more acceptable.  And precedents arent set with in criminal cases. Precedents are usually set with awards in a suit. Like if a major drug has been the cause of numerous deaths, the first case, outcome, and award can serve as a precedent...thats why in court they say "see blah vs blah" and when its used in criminal cases the original infraction was defined before any of the defendants are arrested...because if not..you can just be arrested, but what would be the charge..you cant arrest someone and then make a law for what you arrested him for after the fact. thats in essence what we are talking about.
Oh wow.  Hmmm.  Precedents exist outside civil action suits.  So you mean to tell me the first sodomy case ever was unpunished?  The first murder?  First armed robbery?  In essence that is what you are saying in this long speil.  Pacman f ucked up and got punished.  His punishement set the PRECEDENT for all those to follow.  His actions established the rule.  I think a fine or suspension ofr 4 games would let his gangster ass off easily and he would do it again.  He is representative of a culture within the black community, like it or not.  He is an urban black, most likely with gang ties and he exemplifies that very well with his actions.  He and his type make other blacks look bad.  Period.  It isn't a defacto law in this case because he set the rule.  If they tried to punish him for taking amphetamines before the rule was put in place, that would be defacto punishment.

exactly... i agree. but place  law or rule first...then if he does 1 more thing he is fucked...but this just smells wrong to me...because they can set a "precedent" anytime they feel based on this...
The guy is a fucking criminal and if he was on the streets he would be in jail.  He is a role model for American kids and he is a bad one and a bad person, who despite having money to rise above the ghetto bullshit makes himself look like an asshole.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2007, 02:15:10 PM
Tell me what he was convicted of..and tell me what he was arrested for...tell me what laws he broke


Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on April 12, 2007, 02:24:01 PM
Tell me what he was convicted of..and tell me what he was arrested for...tell me what laws he broke

He'll plead down and he'll never serve time.  Despite those facts, and the fact that witnesses confirm his assault and weapons possession, his constant behavior and negative incidents show he is not capable of acting like a professional or as an adult and the league needs to set the standard because his idiocy ranks above everyone elses.

From NFL.com
"If just a small portion of the allegations against Pacman are true, he should be expelled from the NFL. Pacman reportedly grabbed a stripper by the hair, slammed her face into the stage and threatened to kill a security guard before a gunman -- alleged to be a member of Pacman's party -- shot up the place. Three people were wounded, including one person who is now paralyzed from the waist down."

If he wasn't rich, these would all be definite convictions.
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: rockyfortune on April 13, 2007, 10:34:19 AM
he'll be sharing a cell with maurice clarett by october...
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Dos Equis on May 12, 2007, 11:04:53 AM
I'm starting to think this guy is another Mike Tyson.  Days before his appearance before Goodell, he is ticketed for speeding and no DL.  On the eve of his appearance, he goes to a strip club.  This guy is not playing with a full deck. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2866310

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/11/pacman.ap/index.html
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on July 11, 2007, 07:40:30 PM
It never ends for this moron. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2932509

Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Dos Equis on July 11, 2007, 09:08:26 PM
It never ends for this moron. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2932509



"Jones was pulled over June 10 at 8:30 a.m. in his orange Lamborghini sports car . . . ."   ???  Who the heck drives an orange car?  I doubt this knucklehead ever plays in the NFL again.   
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Cap on July 12, 2007, 09:05:59 AM
The new report says that the officer was "targeting" him.  He apparently knew he didn't have a a valid DL and had been to his house before and likely knew he switched the plates on the car.  Hmmm. 
Title: Re: Pacman Jones suspended for 1 year
Post by: Dos Equis on July 12, 2007, 10:42:58 AM
Sounds fishy.