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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: hipolito mejia on April 16, 2007, 06:05:49 AM
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Who really is it???
Ronnie was good in the late 90's, so In over 40 years of mr.O history is safe to say that the worst symmetry on a Mr.O winner has to b between Dorian (the keg) Yates or Jay (the fridge) Gutler......
Since Jay has really nice arms,good both biceps and triceps (no Harmony with the rest of the fridge though)...
my vote goes for Dorian as the worst Symmetrical,asthetics and less "flow".
and difficult to look at"
what do u think??
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Dorian Yates - hands down!
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Dorian Yates - hands down!
100%
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Dorian looked bad a few times, Ronnie hasn't looked good for years if you go by classical shape, proportion and all that good stuff. Jay didn't fit the bill of what a Mr. O should look like either if you ask me but you can't fault any of these guys, it's the judges who should be called out. Dorian walking out onstage at the 93 O was one of the most shocking things up to that point but he should not have won in 94. Ronnie should not have beaten Jay in 01. It's the judging that needs to be taken to task...guys are reacting to what they think the judges are looking for, I'm sure-and I've said this a bunch of times-Jay Cutler would rather be a bit healthier and coming in at 240lbs looking like he did in 01 than 285lbs and looking like he did last year but he's trying to "please" the judges and this is what they are telling you to look like to win an Olympia. This whole "bigger is better" crap really needs to be put on the back burner, the sport, the athletes, everyone is suffereing because of this mindset. &guy is not always better
-yes I know I called it a "sport" and I called them "athletes"...whatever, I was in the moment.
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i think so dickerson was worse
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i think so dickerson was worse
Why everything but his calves was small on him. ;D
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to bad ND doesnt' post on here anymore, he has tons of pics. I'd like to see some good quality shots of Dickerson before I pass judgement.
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i think so dickerson was worse
worse SYMMETRICAL than Yates?? Are you serious??
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd108.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/cd37.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/mrolympia/imgs/dickers/dick5.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Dickerson10.jpg)
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Can Yates or Gutler look "symmetrical" in poses like this?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd226.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd101.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/dickerson/cd140.jpg)
i hope youre joking
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his calves dwarfed his whole body..nuff said :P
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worse SYMMETRICAL than Yates?? Are you serious??
His elbows aren't symmetrical at all ::) ;D
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his calves dwarfed his whole body..nuff said :P
proportion and symmetry, two different things.....
get it??
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proportion and symmetry, two different things.....
get it??
dude this guy barely won the olympia in 982..hell his elbows made his arms look small..overall not an olympia winning physiue with calves as big as his leg
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dude this guy barely won the olympia in 982..hell his elbows made his arms look small..overall not an olympia winning physiue with calves as big as his leg
so that makes Dickerson less symmetrical than yates and Gutler??
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so that makes Dickerson less symmetrical than yates and Gutler??
he had nothing but calves.so i would say yes
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he had nothing but calves.so i would say yes
wich has nothing to do with symmetry, but thanks.
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dude this guy barely won the olympia in 982..hell his elbows made his arms look small..overall not an olympia winning physiue with calves as big as his leg
He got 2nd in 80 and 81 behind Arnold and Franco ;)
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post tear dorian by a landslide..
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Dickerson didn't train calves. Said his older brother had BETTER calves, and that Chris has probably slowed his own progress by ever traning them at all.
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Jay Cutler by a long shot. The asymmetries between the left and right sides of his body are terrible, arms, lats and legs. How a guy whose legs and arms don't even look close to being the same size can be Mr O says a lot about the IFBB judging criteria.
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Post-tear, pre-tear it's still 17" arms attached to a barrel:
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Do you guys know the meaning of symmetry? Apparently not because you are using it out of context.
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Do you guys know the meaning of symmetry? Apparently not because you are using it out of context.
symmetry in bodybuilding competition context is different than the literal definition.
symmetry in a dictionary means right/left sides of an image or down through a central plane are the same
in bodybuilding symmetry as it is judged in the the symmetry round encompasses much more than this, including taper, balance, proportion and shape.
see the difference:
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Ahhh... i prefer the use of the word balance and proportion though to avoid confusion.
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WHO CARES???
It's the same shit all the time.
They where mr. Olympia at the time cause there was no one better or who deserved it more. If so they would be making the champions look silly standing next to them and the crowd would not buy it!
Sergio vs Arnold : Sergio never came in the same condition nor could he pose as well as Arnold.
Arnold vs Mentzer : No man with half a chest should be mr. Olympia. Arnold by a long mile.
Lee vs Yates : Lee is what a champion should be 100%. Yates stood no chance.
Flex vs Ronnie : Flex's torso and quads where to small not to mention being narrow compared to Ronnie.
Ronnie vs Cutler : Cutler won cause Ronnie didnt come in as his usual self. But I think that even Cutler would admit that Ronnie is a much better mr. Olympia them himself.
Now Levrone stood a good chance at winning multiple times but he didn't have his head on straight. Not to mention being narrow and lacking striations.
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Balance is the correct term most of the time, but symmetry conveys the same message even if incorrect.
Virtually nonexistent bis/tris relative to torso - both arms, nothing to do with post-tear.
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:(
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
symmetry-Informally, an object or structure is symmetrical (or equivalently, it has a symmetry) if it looks the same after a specific type of change is applied to it. The object or structure can be material, such as a person, crystal, quilt, floor tiles, or molecule, or it can be an abstract structure such as a mathematical equation or a series of tones (music). The nature of the change can be similarly diverse, ranging from such simple and intuitive operations as moving across a regularly patterned tile floor or rotating an eight-sided vase, to complex transformations of equations or in the way music is played.
proportions-In art, body proportions are the study of relation of human body, or in general, animal body, parts to each other and the whole, essential for depiction of the overall figure.
Some common proportional relationships for humans:
Body:
The average adult human figure is about 7 to 7.5 heads tall.
The idealized human figure is traditionally represented as being 8 heads tall.
8 head proportions:
head
from the bottom of the head to the middle height of a chest (place where women's nipples should be)
from previous position to the navel
from previous position to the pubis
from previous position to the middle height of thigh
from previous position to the middle height of a calf
from previous position to the point just below the ankles
from previous position to the feet
The pubis is at mid-height of the average adult figure.
The length of the shin is equal to the length of the hip for an average adult figure.
When the body stands upright, the length of the arm is such that the finger tips come down to mid-thigh.
The arms' wingspan (measured from the tips of the middle fingers) is about equal to the body height.
The length of the foot is about equal to the length of the forearm.
in the bodybuilding
so for the worst symmetry-cutler and yates arms and ronnie lats and triceps 2006
for the worst proportion-yates
best symmetry-shawn,flex ,levrone
best proportion-flex
so flex wins.... ;D
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The average human figure is 6 heads tall. Hope this helps.
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
symmetry-Informally, an object or structure is symmetrical (or equivalently, it has a symmetry) if it looks the same after a specific type of change is applied to it. The object or structure can be material, such as a person, crystal, quilt, floor tiles, or molecule, or it can be an abstract structure such as a mathematical equation or a series of tones (music). The nature of the change can be similarly diverse, ranging from such simple and intuitive operations as moving across a regularly patterned tile floor or rotating an eight-sided vase, to complex transformations of equations or in the way music is played.
proportions-In art, body proportions are the study of relation of human body, or in general, animal body, parts to each other and the whole, essential for depiction of the overall figure.
Some common proportional relationships for humans:
Body:
The average adult human figure is about 7 to 7.5 heads tall.
The idealized human figure is traditionally represented as being 8 heads tall.
8 head proportions:
head
from the bottom of the head to the middle height of a chest (place where women's nipples should be)
from previous position to the navel
from previous position to the pubis
from previous position to the middle height of thigh
from previous position to the middle height of a calf
from previous position to the point just below the ankles
from previous position to the feet
The pubis is at mid-height of the average adult figure.
The length of the shin is equal to the length of the hip for an average adult figure.
When the body stands upright, the length of the arm is such that the finger tips come down to mid-thigh.
The arms' wingspan (measured from the tips of the middle fingers) is about equal to the body height.
The length of the foot is about equal to the length of the forearm.
in the bodybuilding
so for the worst symmetry-cutler and yates arms and ronnie lats and triceps 2006
for the worst proportion-yates
best symmetry-shawn,flex ,levrone
best proportion-flex
so flex wins.... ;D
That's one of the WORST, convoluted explanations out there, rivaling one of SUCKY's masterpieces. :-X
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
symmetry-Informally, an object or structure is symmetrical (or equivalently, it has a symmetry) if it looks the same after a specific type of change is applied to it. The object or structure can be material, such as a person, crystal, quilt, floor tiles, or molecule, or it can be an abstract structure such as a mathematical equation or a series of tones (music). The nature of the change can be similarly diverse, ranging from such simple and intuitive operations as moving across a regularly patterned tile floor or rotating an eight-sided vase, to complex transformations of equations or in the way music is played.
proportions-In art, body proportions are the study of relation of human body, or in general, animal body, parts to each other and the whole, essential for depiction of the overall figure.
Some common proportional relationships for humans:
Body:
The average adult human figure is about 7 to 7.5 heads tall.
The idealized human figure is traditionally represented as being 8 heads tall.
8 head proportions:
head
from the bottom of the head to the middle height of a chest (place where women's nipples should be)
from previous position to the navel
from previous position to the pubis
from previous position to the middle height of thigh
from previous position to the middle height of a calf
from previous position to the point just below the ankles
from previous position to the feet
The pubis is at mid-height of the average adult figure.
The length of the shin is equal to the length of the hip for an average adult figure.
When the body stands upright, the length of the arm is such that the finger tips come down to mid-thigh.
The arms' wingspan (measured from the tips of the middle fingers) is about equal to the body height.
The length of the foot is about equal to the length of the forearm.
in the bodybuilding
so for the worst symmetry-cutler and yates arms and ronnie lats and triceps 2006
for the worst proportion-yates
best symmetry-shawn,flex ,levrone
best proportion-flex
so flex wins.... ;D
or, in other words, THIS:
:-*
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Worst symmetrical Olympian = Dorian Yates.
Hustler do you think Ronnie is the worst symmetrical mr.O?
If not, why on earth do you have to put a pic of Ronnie in this thread??
Wooooooosssshhhhhhh
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Post-tear, pre-tear it's still 17" arms attached to a barrel:
his left arm is a fucken mockery.lmao
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his left arm is a fucken mockery.lmao
Not a huge difference from one to the other. :-\
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Worst symmetrical Olympian = Dorian Yates.
Hustler do you think Ronnie is the worst symmetrical mr.O?
If not, why on earth do you have to put a pic of Ronnie in this thread??
Wooooooosssshhhhhhh
no, I was making a joke since Ronnie beat flex that Ronnie had better symmetry.
of course, he didn't. but he was still pretty good.
I think Ronnie 2006 was pretty bad, with the left lat and triceps looking bad.
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wich has nothing to do with symmetry, but thanks.
you are fogetting that english is not his first language
and to be honest the CIA/FBI probably has a satellite trained on his village in the interest of US national security
I wouldn't want to be on a plane with Shadow..hell no..I would ask for a later plane...
if I saw him in the street I would dial 911 and report him as a "suspect"
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you are fogetting that english is not his first language
and to be honest the CIA/FBI probably has a satellite trained on his village in the interest of US national security
I wouldn't want to be on a plane with Shadow..hell no..I would ask for a later plane...
if I saw him in the street I would dial 911 and report him as a "suspect"
I wonder what the statistical probability of you or one of your homies would be when it came to robbing a gas station worked by an Indian person? I'm guessing they wouldn't need national security for you, but just plain old cameras and a witness who's able to sketch out a monkey in a hoodie.
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
symmetry-Informally, an object or structure is symmetrical (or equivalently, it has a symmetry) if it looks the same after a specific type of change is applied to it. The object or structure can be material, such as a person, crystal, quilt, floor tiles, or molecule, or it can be an abstract structure such as a mathematical equation or a series of tones (music). The nature of the change can be similarly diverse, ranging from such simple and intuitive operations as moving across a regularly patterned tile floor or rotating an eight-sided vase, to complex transformations of equations or in the way music is played.
proportions-In art, body proportions are the study of relation of human body, or in general, animal body, parts to each other and the whole, essential for depiction of the overall figure.
Some common proportional relationships for humans:
Body:
The average adult human figure is about 7 to 7.5 heads tall.
The idealized human figure is traditionally represented as being 8 heads tall.
8 head proportions:
head
from the bottom of the head to the middle height of a chest (place where women's nipples should be)
from previous position to the navel
from previous position to the pubis
from previous position to the middle height of thigh
from previous position to the middle height of a calf
from previous position to the point just below the ankles
from previous position to the feet
The pubis is at mid-height of the average adult figure.
The length of the shin is equal to the length of the hip for an average adult figure.
When the body stands upright, the length of the arm is such that the finger tips come down to mid-thigh.
The arms' wingspan (measured from the tips of the middle fingers) is about equal to the body height.
The length of the foot is about equal to the length of the forearm.
in the bodybuilding
so for the worst symmetry-cutler and yates arms and ronnie lats and triceps 2006
for the worst proportion-yates
best symmetry-shawn,flex ,levrone
best proportion-flex
so flex wins.... ;D
Please kill yourself. Thank you.
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I wonder what the statistical probability of you or one of your homies would be when it came to robbing a gas station worked by an Indian person? I'm guessing they wouldn't need national security for you, but just plain old cameras and a witness who's able to sketch out a monkey in a hoodie.
lol, parts of that was actually funny
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I THINK LEE WAS A TINY MR.OLYMPIA I DONT KNOW HOW HE GOT PAST AAAANOLD ,ARNOLD MUST HAVE GAVE HIM ADVISES.LMAO ;D :D :'(
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Not a huge difference from one to the other. :-\
That physique is really hideous. How an olympia title can be awarded to someone who weights 260+ with 17inch arms is beyond me.
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YEA HIS ARM LOOKS LIKE ASS IN HIS TIME IM SURE THERE WERE PLENTY OF BODYBUILDERS WHO WERE MUCH BETTER
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
symmetry-Informally, an object or structure is symmetrical (or equivalently, it has a symmetry) if it looks the same after a specific type of change is applied to it. The object or structure can be material, such as a person, crystal, quilt, floor tiles, or molecule, or it can be an abstract structure such as a mathematical equation or a series of tones (music). The nature of the change can be similarly diverse, ranging from such simple and intuitive operations as moving across a regularly patterned tile floor or rotating an eight-sided vase, to complex transformations of equations or in the way music is played.
proportions-In art, body proportions are the study of relation of human body, or in general, animal body, parts to each other and the whole, essential for depiction of the overall figure.
Some common proportional relationships for humans:
Body:
The average adult human figure is about 7 to 7.5 heads tall.
The idealized human figure is traditionally represented as being 8 heads tall.
8 head proportions:
head
from the bottom of the head to the middle height of a chest (place where women's nipples should be)
from previous position to the navel
from previous position to the pubis
from previous position to the middle height of thigh
from previous position to the middle height of a calf
from previous position to the point just below the ankles
from previous position to the feet
The pubis is at mid-height of the average adult figure.
The length of the shin is equal to the length of the hip for an average adult figure.
When the body stands upright, the length of the arm is such that the finger tips come down to mid-thigh.
The arms' wingspan (measured from the tips of the middle fingers) is about equal to the body height.
The length of the foot is about equal to the length of the forearm.
in the bodybuilding
so for the worst symmetry-cutler and yates arms and ronnie lats and triceps 2006
for the worst proportion-yates
best symmetry-shawn,flex ,levrone
best proportion-flex
so flex wins.... ;D
Whose head are we talking about. 8 of Richard Kiels head would be taller than 8 of Dana Carvey's head
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NOBODY MENTIONED FRANCO COLUMBU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
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What the hell does this mean? Did you HAD an English?
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did you fucking idiots had an art or math in school
i think NOT
symmetry-Informally, an object or structure is symmetrical (or equivalently, it has a symmetry) if it looks the same after a specific type of change is applied to it. The object or structure can be material, such as a person, crystal, quilt, floor tiles, or molecule, or it can be an abstract structure such as a mathematical equation or a series of tones (music). The nature of the change can be similarly diverse, ranging from such simple and intuitive operations as moving across a regularly patterned tile floor or rotating an eight-sided vase, to complex transformations of equations or in the way music is played.
proportions-In art, body proportions are the study of relation of human body, or in general, animal body, parts to each other and the whole, essential for depiction of the overall figure.
Some common proportional relationships for humans:
Body:
The average adult human figure is about 7 to 7.5 heads tall.
The idealized human figure is traditionally represented as being 8 heads tall.
8 head proportions:
head
from the bottom of the head to the middle height of a chest (place where women's nipples should be)
from previous position to the navel
from previous position to the pubis
from previous position to the middle height of thigh
from previous position to the middle height of a calf
from previous position to the point just below the ankles
from previous position to the feet
The pubis is at mid-height of the average adult figure.
The length of the shin is equal to the length of the hip for an average adult figure.
When the body stands upright, the length of the arm is such that the finger tips come down to mid-thigh.
The arms' wingspan (measured from the tips of the middle fingers) is about equal to the body height.
The length of the foot is about equal to the length of the forearm.
in the bodybuilding
so for the worst symmetry-cutler and yates arms and ronnie lats and triceps 2006
for the worst proportion-yates
best symmetry-shawn,flex ,levrone
best proportion-flex
so flex wins.... ;D
I think you have made one of the worst points in this whole thread. Flex may be very symmetrtical but not very proportionate. Please delete your account and try again.
NOBODY MENTIONED FRANCO COLUMBU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe that's because he doesn't have a symmetry problem ::) Fucking jackass :)
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Well flex had a very asymmetrical mid section.
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This is what happens when you have a "bodybuilding" board thats awash with people who don't know shit about bodybuilding! You could make the argument the Dickerson was not a monster as far as size goes but not symmetrical??? He had GREAT symmetry and although his calves were huge, there are quite a few Olympians that had over powering body parts. ***Arnold's arms vs his quads, Haney's chest vs his calves**- but they were still great champions.
The correct answer to the question is YATES. Not only did he lack that symmetrical look but one arm was badly damaged. Franco was a close second with that busted quad he had in his second win.
Hope this helps :)
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Well flex had a very asymmetrical mid section.
good point.
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no, I was making a joke since Ronnie beat flex that Ronnie had better symmetry.
of course, he didn't. but he was still pretty good.
I think Ronnie 2006 was pretty bad, with the left lat and triceps looking bad.
not to mention his horid leg balance since 1991.
def. not the most symmetrical.
he's in the same category as yates.
instead of his arms being to small, its his calves.
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NOBODY MENTIONED FRANCO COLUMBU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Close enough; Yates is known to some as the Columbu of the 90s.
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The correct answer to the question is YATES. Not only did he lack that symmetrical look but one arm was badly damaged. Franco was a close second with that busted quad he had in his second win.
Hope this helps :)
Indeed, there's a clear parallel, both with the powerful torsos.
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not to mention his horid leg balance since 1991.
def. not the most symmetrical.
he's in the same category as yates.
instead of his arms being to small, its his calves.
Be realistic for once and accept that smallish calves like Coleman's and Haney's don't have the same bearing as arms. Wake up.
Besides which, the calves look reasonable here when the thighs were smaller, at a lighter weight. That's the truth.