The story is not even a half a day old, and ALREADY it's George Bush's fault! ::)
You don't even take the time to pray or grieve for the family members who have lost their children or sympathize with the parents who haven't heard from their kids yet.
The story is not even a half a day old, and ALREADY it's George Bush's fault! ::)
This is beyond asinine!
You don't even take the time to pray or grieve for the family members who have lost their children or sympathize with the parents who haven't heard from their kids yet. Instead, you go immediately on a political tirade. Very childish behavior guys! >:(
wanna take the time to grieve for the orphans in iraq?as a matter of fact, these people ARE in my prayers every day. i even pray for folks like yourself.
wanna take the time to grieve for the widows here in the US?
wanna take the time to grieve for us for the hatred wre inspire?
VERY convenient to parade morality when it suits ya...typical christian right wing thing to do
as a matter of fact, these people ARE in my prayers every day. i even pray for folks like yourself.
as a matter of fact, these people ARE in my prayers every day. i even pray for folks like yourself.
Nobody is blaming Bush for today, settle down, colossus.I agree with you on the point for the need for greater security. We are so vulnerable in many ways that are not spoken of (not just the borders).
Today is the fault of one prick with a 9mm.
However it does illustrate the non-partisan need for greater school security. This is the responsibility of lawmakers on all levels of both parties.
i'm an athiest..dont bother mate..not to worry, PF, i'll keep on praying. just because you don't believe in God, doesn't mean I can pray for your well-being, bro.
Getting back on topic of the thread, this is the deadliest shooting on a campus since 1966, I believe. That was the infamous shootings from the tour in Austin, Texas.
How long until Americans finally get it and greatly curtail guns?This is devastating news. :'( I don't know why this gets to me. Maybe it's because I know there are kids from my youth group that attend this school.
29 dead:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574
Now the death toll is up to 32.
The story is not even a half a day old, and ALREADY it's George Bush's fault! ::)
This is beyond asinine!
You don't even take the time to pray or grieve for the family members who have lost their children or sympathize with the parents who haven't heard from their kids yet. Instead, you go immediately on a political tirade. Very childish behavior guys! >:(
thank god the gunman is dead,, last thing you want to do is go after a psycho like this..I sure hope so.
your going to be seeing a dramatic increase of security at every college in the country.
your going to be seeing a dramatic increase of security at every college in the country.
thank god the gunman is dead
As morbid as it sounds, I wish we had the opportunity to get into his head.Did you ever read the story of when Lazaurus was raised from the dead? How do you think the people felt from the biblical days, where the slaughter of an entire city occured almost daily it seems? Yet they still held fast to their believe in the Almighty God. Have you ever pondered the thought that it's at times most tragic like these, that God ultimately shows His compassion, and ultimate glory to those who seek Him out?
It's tragedies like this that remind me why I really do not believe in 'God'.
I'm numb.
I attended college in the South...can still remember those warm spring days.
I'm so very numb.
A shooting similar to this (not nearly as deadly) happened at a school in Vermont more than a decade ago. Like all things the furor over this will last a short time and then we'll forget about it and move to the next issue. I don't think any lasting changes will be instituted because of this.
Right. We cannot alter everything that's great about the way we live because of random - albeit very tragic - acts of violence.
I wonder if there will be cell-phone videos of the rampage as it happened. If so, that would certainly make this very different from any other school shootings in the past.
I often wish I could go back to those days...so many wonderful memories.
one early cell phone video shows police standing outside looking at each other as multiple gunshots rang out inside.
I guess they were waiting for orders or something.
Sad tho - every time that gun cracked, another kid was killed or wounded. I wanted to jump out of my chair and run in there to help. How they were able to just stand there, wow.
60 people killed or wounded is just insane. How long would it take to empty your magazine and reload multiple times?
The carnage of this one is just too shocking.
While some are praising the campus police for their rapid response and the fact that they killed the gunman, you have a lot of people already questioning how there was anyone even in the classrooms on campus at 9am when a kid had been shot and killed in a campus dorm at 7:15am.
one early cell phone video shows police standing outside looking at each other as multiple gunshots rang out inside.
I guess they were waiting for orders or something.
Sad tho - every time that gun cracked, another kid was killed or wounded. I wanted to jump out of my chair and run in there to help. How they were able to just stand there, wow.
1 killed, 1 injured at 7:15 am is what one witness said.
the kid and his girl were fighting and the RA came out to intervene. Both got shot, one lived, one didn't.
looks like a lot of schools are going to re-evaluate their procedures for shutting down campus after something bad happens.
looks like a lot of schools are going to re-evaluate their procedures for shutting down campus after something bad happens.
1 killed, 1 injured at 7:15 am is what one witness said.Well, locking down the entire campus could have trapped the gunman in another building. If you lock down a dorm or building and a student has access, they can still get in. No plan survives first contact with the enemy and reevaluating the situation will not change anything for such a big school. This isn't like a high school shooting.
the kid and his girl were fighting and the RA came out to intervene. Both got shot, one lived, one didn't.
looks like a lot of schools are going to re-evaluate their procedures for shutting down campus after something bad happens.
And how exactly you would be helping there? Standing there posing with your Clock doesn't help anybody, and that's just about all you can do. You just haven't the time to tell shooter about your conspiracy theories, and get him bored to death...And yes, those polices stand there waiting orders, because they don't have a right to run to bullet. They can protect and serve only while they are living, so they have to keep it that way.
About your pointless and allusive speculation which was meant to show how coward those polices were, it is just shame full to be such an idiot like you. You see police standing and hear some gunshots, but you don't have any idea what is going on outside the picture. You don't see who is shooting, is shooter shooting towards to police or students, you see just one some police standing. You don't know if he is there giving some measurements for sniper, or eating donut. Still you are sure that it shows that they are just cowards, and you, our own little pale skin gangsta- wannabe, are ready to run to help, holding his little weenie in one hand and that lame plastic gun in another...Grow up, and stop that nonsense.
In situation like that, some pale little gangsta- wannabe is just as useful than extra asshole middle of your forehead....well, for you that would be useful, no doubt about that, but I meant generally speaking. In situation like that, you need guys with cool head, not some idiots who think they are tough guys. Not any internet tough guys, if you know what I mean, but look at the bright side of the matter: Now you get a whole new conspiracy theory to yak about. Is it Inside Job? Who Pay The Piper? Did CIA really know about this two weeks earlier? Are You Really a Gay?
Well, locking down the entire campus could have trapped the gunman in another building. If you lock down a dorm or building and a student has access, they can still get in. No plan survives first contact with the enemy and reevaluating the situation will not change anything for such a big school. This isn't like a high school shooting.
They didn't have to lock down. But cancelling classes might have been a good idea. You have a dead body on campus with a bullet hole in it, another person critically wounded, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE SHOOTER IS, and you allow classes to go on.Cancelling classes does nothing when 11,000 incoming students still go to their classes and could get mowed down, even if the buildings were locked. Also, if you recall at UT, the killer was shooting at targets in open grass, which could have been done here, but with possibly less casualties.
IMO, that is a mistake.
They didn't have to lock down. But cancelling classes might have been a good idea. You have a dead body on campus with a bullet hole in it, another person critically wounded, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE SHOOTER IS, and you allow classes to go on.
IMO, that is a mistake.
They didn't have to lock down. But cancelling classes might have been a good idea. You have a dead body on campus with a bullet hole in it, another person critically wounded, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE SHOOTER IS, and you allow classes to go on.
IMO, that is a mistake.
Cancelling classes does nothing when 11,000 incoming students still go to their classes and could get mowed down, even if the buildings were locked. Also, if you recall at UT, the killer was shooting at targets in open grass, which could have been done here, but with possibly less casualties.
Cancelling classes does nothing when 11,000 incoming students still go to their classes and could get mowed down, even if the buildings were locked.
Cancelling classes does nothing when 11,000 incoming students still go to their classes and could get mowed down, even if the buildings were locked.
Bullshit. If they had told everyone to lock their doors at 7:30, while this jerk was filling clips in his dorm, you wouldn't have had classrooms full of people, you would have had locked dorm rooms full of kids with baseball bats and golf clubs. You would not have had 60 kids open their doors after hearing shots next door.Thanks for telling me stuff I already knew dickhead. Like I said, if people coming on campus had no knowledge of this and the kid went outside in an open field he could have easily capped people, maybe not 30 but I would say at least 5-10 before getting shot. Remember he was completely off campus. My point with UT is not about rifles ya douche, it was about how despite being outside you can still kill people.
UT shooter used a rifle.
Today's prick had a 9 and a .22
He wouldn't have killed ten people outdoors. Indoors, he had them chained in, and could keep firing at them in trapped close range. outdoors, using small caliber handguns to hit scrambling targets is damn hard.
The police are idiots. The college should have been on locked down that early morning. Classes should have been canceled for that day.You and 240 don't get it. Unless you cut off all entrances and exits, tell everybody in the dorm not to come out and position a roving officer on every floor to ensure the shooter isn't walking ANY halls, then this guy could have easily gone on to kill more people. This isn't a high school of 1000-5000. It is a university of 25000 with many off campus students ariving throughout the day.
This is really sad. I wonder what race this guy was that did all the shooting. Well like all the shootings that happens at schools and work places are mostly, if not all, done by _____.Cant they understand that bullets hurt people. This is not a video game or a movie.
This is really sad. I wonder what race this guy was that did all the shooting. Well like all the shootings that happens at schools and work places are mostly, if not all, done by _____.Cant they understand that bullets hurt people. This is not a video game or a movie.
sgt. d
This is really sad. I wonder what race this guy was that did all the shooting. Well like all the shootings that happens at schools and work places are mostly, if not all, done by _____.Cant they understand that bullets hurt people. This is not a video game or a movie.
sgt. d
If he only had 2 handguns, why wasn't this terrorist bum-rushed??
I listened to NPR today, they had a lot of kids call in.
It seems when he entered the classrooms, everyone hit the floor and hid their faces.
If it had happened on an airplane, the kid would have been tackled by everyone in sight. But in the classroom, you had 30+ strong, healthy 20-year olds quivering while this prick fumbled his way thru reloading his .22
Understand ducking for cover initially, but c'mon now, this is Virginia-fucking-Tech...there had to be at least ONE hero in the group. Even while seeking shelter, someone should've been able to recognize "now's our chance" and jumped that fool during one of his reloads.
Understand ducking for cover initially, but c'mon now, this is Virginia-fucking-Tech...there had to be at least ONE hero in the group. Even while seeking shelter, someone should've been able to recognize "now's our chance" and jumped that fool during one of his reloads.
I agree. But people were scared sheep on 9/11, and it took a 9/11 for them to realize that when people start stabbing on a plane, you use your shoes, pencils, laptops, or anything else as a weapon to ensure you don't end up on the 90th floor of a very tall building.
Perhaps when the next prick tries this, kids will remember VT and at the very least throw a few books while hightailing it for a window, even if they don't jump the guy.
One noteworthy thing is that after columbine, there were several small incidents in the year or two afterwards - and in those cases, the shooters were disarmed quickly by a group who had columbine in their minds. Today's college freshmen were in 5th grade when Columbine happened.
A girl who was in the classroom said the shooter stood at the door firing into the seating. If they ran at the guy to "jump" him wouldn't they get shot? Pretty much would mean running directly into the line of fire. Pretty unreasonable to expect these kids to be anything but in total shock. A mass murder at 10 am out of the blue is not a common thing. There was 29 kids in the classroom if 24 where killed and 4 lived including the girl who told the horrific story. How many where women?
She said she and the only 4 survivors held the door shut when he tried to come back in for a third time to kill them. I know how hard it is to react to a car swerving into your lane out of the blue. Imagine a guy standing at the door murdering everyone in the class room with a gun.
I feel so bad for these kids. To sit there and know you are going to die, just awful..............
I admit I'm a bit of a paranoid militant type :P but I think after the first person died and I realized I was seconds from checking out, I would have thrown desks, chairs, bodies, books, pencils, anything.
I do feel horrible for them. That school should have been shut down at 7:30 AM
I'm making no effort to follow the "emerging details" of this story. You mean to tell me he stood in the doorway and shot them one by one?
Making all due allowances for shock and the embarrassment of having soiled myself, I still have to think that if I'm alive when he stops to reload, I'll charge him and take my chances.
She said she was playing dead (which saved her)The class was a german course.
No comment.
he was Azn, he probably logged on and hacked their warning systems between the shootings
The class was a german course.
Ah, so he was set off by the recent dialogue between Al Sharpton and Germany.
I guess there's no denying it's their "beat". But somehow, the idea of the campus newspaper working this story seems distasteful to me.
I mean there can't be one of them who - in addition to their shock, grief, etc - aren't thinking, "Damn, this is going to look amazing on my resume."
included speaking with local businesses about the effect this might have on them.
Thanks for telling me stuff I already knew dickhead. Like I said, if people coming on campus had no knowledge of this and the kid went outside in an open field he could have easily capped people, maybe not 30 but I would say at least 5-10 before getting shot. Remember he was completely off campus. My point with UT is not about rifles ya douche, it was about how despite being outside you can still kill people.
BTW, wtf does this have to do with CQB? Do you even know what that means? What it entails? Have you ever trained for it besides playing HALO while staying at home all day? Seriously, I schooled you in military knowledge before, don't start this again pal.
You and 240 don't get it. Unless you cut off all entrances and exits, tell everybody in the dorm not to come out and position a roving officer on every floor to ensure the shooter isn't walking ANY halls, then this guy could have easily gone on to kill more people. This isn't a high school of 1000-5000. It is a university of 25000 with many off campus students ariving throughout the day.
Rumor has it that he was Asian, not White.
He was Asian. Now stop trying to trivialize the death of 33 innocent kids you pile of waste.
I mean no disprespect to the victims, and my thoughts are with all affected here, but a point I have made many times before if the criminal in this case was of a ....certain racial persuasion.....we would have racist threads all over the board slamming all people of that race. That is a trend here, and has been for years. As of yet, I see not one racial thread about it [which is good of course] if it was someone of that racial persuasion to which I refer...we would have nothing less than 25 by now, mark my words.
Again, no disrespect to any of the victims or families here, and to clarify I don't give a crap the race of the shooter [or anyone for that matter] - just pointing out a fact.
I admit I'm a bit of a paranoid militant type :P but I think after the first person died and I realized I was seconds from checking out, I would have thrown desks, chairs, bodies, books, pencils, anything.
I do feel horrible for them. That school should have been shut down at 7:30 AM
im seeing people saying "why didnt the kids rush him at some point to stop him"So true. I'm trained at shooting and fighting but it doesn't take more than a second or two to reload a 9mm beretta and if you have to come from behind cover to get him, you are toast. You would have to come from behind and knife him and I guarantee all the hard asses on here would have been running outside, not finding a knife to shove through this guy's windpipe. Just my thoughts
are you kidding me!! its easy to say this shit after its all done and it wasnt you involved. and yes youre mad and wish something would have been done to stop it sooner.
imagine sitting in class listening to your teacher like you do every day and all of a sudden some guy comes in and starts shooting kids right infront of you..... instinct will tell you to survive( run,hide,). your seeing people get shot and killed right infront of you. last thing you wanna do is run at the guy who has guns and is trying to kill everyone in the room.
someone said well why not do it while he was reloading or throw stuff at him. one of the kids who was in the class said that the shooter knew what he was doing and was very quick in reloading. and im sure if you started throwing shit at him you would be the next target.
until you have been in a situation where you are being shot at(and arent military trained) you wont understand that what these kids did was instinct and correct.
and yes i can speak on this cause i have been shot at
i gotta agree with cap here...with upwards of 14,000 people already on route, cancelling classes and locking the buildings really wouldnt have done much good. these people still would have arrived there and been walking around the campus.
and how safe would it be to lock the buildings when you dont know where the shooter is...he could have been in one of the buildings.
there was no real way to stop the students from showing up
just my thoughts..right or wrong
im sure some sort of plan will be made in the coming weeks to deal with something like this if (god forbid) it should happen again
NO, NO, NO.
Seriously.
If they had closed campus for the day at 7:15 AM, word would have travelled.
Those kids who DID arrive for 9 AM classes would have found a locked door and returned to their car.
When the A-hole showed up at 9:30 to begin capping people, it would have been slim pickings. he could have walked to the dorms, and tried getting kids to open their doors (however by then, the announcement system should have been telling them for 2 hours that a double-murder had occurred and they had no idea where the shooter is - so don't answer your door. Or he could have stood in the parking lot, and taken potshots at cars entering - which would have got him run over, arrested, or fired back at, pretty quickly.
Either way, it is ABSOLUTELY true that a closed engineering building would have resulted in those 60 people not being trapped in classrooms. The numbers should have fallen as a result.
2 things:
1.) How do you tell 14, 000 students what is going on? Obviously the EMAIL they sent didn't work.
2.) your point is flawed because it would not have prevented further deaths, maybe a larger number but NOT ALL. He could have still gotten at least 5-10 more. Hope that helps.
Frekin Al Sharpton >:(
Even though I dislike 240, he is right on this one. Sorry cap86 you are wrong.Hmmmm....ask any college student/professor and they will tell you the same thing. The school is too big and anyone carrying two pistols could walk around campus and off people. If you don't understand that then you have a problem. Couple this with the fact that they thought they had the suspect, they did not need to shut down the entire campus nor did they think they had a reason to. Let me put this in LE terms for ya'll. If you have a suspect in custody for questioning or even an idea of who did it, you are not going to shut down buildings a mile away. Let me make this clear, people would still have been killed.
Hope this helps
2 things:
1.) How do you tell 14, 000 students what is going on? Obviously the EMAIL they sent didn't work.
2.) your point is flawed because it would not have prevented further deaths, maybe a larger number but NOT ALL. He could have still gotten at least 5-10 more. Hope that helps.
If a 2-hour warning would have prevented ONE STUDENT from coming to that building, then it would have been a good idea. That cannot be argued.I don't think we disagree as we said essentially the same thing but I am looking at it from a glass is half empty approach. To my knowledge they did send out an email and it didn't do too much.
And the majority of those kids in the 9 AM class, were at home (presumably with email access or with EARS). If a 7:45 warning would have told everyone to just sit tight and be careful of a gunman - and those classroom doors had been locked - LESS students would have died.
Obviously you're not going to stop a madman from killing SOME. But LESSENING the number of lives lost is the goal here.
And I have been in school many times when school was cancelled - words travels like lightning.
Hmmmm....ask any college student/professor and they will tell you the same thing. The school is too big and anyone carrying two pistols could walk around campus and off people. If you don't understand that then you have a problem. Couple this with the fact that they thought they had the suspect, they did not need to shut down the entire campus nor did they think they had a reason to. Let me put this in LE terms for ya'll. If you have a suspect in custody for questioning or even an idea of who did it, you are not going to shut down buildings a mile away. Let me make this clear, people would still have been killed.
lol like they are trained for this purpose ???Yea, very similar situation. ::) If I had a crime scene in one location, I would not expect to later have one a mile away. They were investigating a crime scene and in reality, locking the school down could have locked the shooter in the dorms to still get in a shootout or in the building where he shot people.
I hope your not in the military or received any law enforcement training.
I bet if a person robbed a bank, and took hostages you would continue to let customers go in. O yes, you can go in and make a quick withdrawal from the ATM but be very very quiet so the gunman wont see you. ::)
they sent it out at 9:36 AM I believe.
that is waiting just too long.
they sent it out at 9:36 AM I believe.It's very easy to sit back and play "armchair quarterback" on the whole situation.
that is waiting just too long.
It's very easy to sit back and play "armchair quarterback" on the whole situation.
Yes, C-500, it's very similar to how some people play armchair quarterback when analyzing 9/11.
It's easy to point out mistakes when you have all the info and are not int he heat of the battle.
Hardly a fair comparison Ozmo. We clearly don't have all the facts surrounding 911.
That's why there needs to be a new and thorough investigation. :) Hi Rob. :-*
It's very easy to sit back and play "armchair quarterback" on the whole situation.
True.I agree, Beach. But it's one thing to say "you should have" compared to asking "what was your plan?" What we're hearing from the media right now is "Tech officials shoulda...coulda....woul da...."
I have to say though, the thing that really concerns me is why students were still sitting in class hours after the first shootings. I know the campus is 26,000 acres, but if I'm the parent of a child who was killed in the second shootings I'd want some answers.