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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: GreatFinn on April 17, 2007, 01:17:17 PM
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Shit like this virginia tech massacre isn't so uncommon in America:
Oct. 2, 2006: Charles Carl Roberts, 32, took 10 girls hostage in an Amish school in Nickel Mines, Pa., killing five of them before killing himself.
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Sept. 29, 2006: Eric Hainstock, 15, took two guns into his Cazenovia, Wi., school and fatally shot the principal before being captured and arrested.
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Sept. 27, 2006: Duane Morrison, 53, took six girls hostage at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Co., molesting them and holding them for hours before fatally shooting one girl and then himself.
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Nov. 8, 2005: Assistant principal Ken Bruce was killed and two other administrators seriously wounded when Kenny Bartley, a 15-year-old student, opened fire in a Jacksboro, Tennessee high school.
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Aug. 24, 2006: Christopher Williams, 27, went to Essex Elementary School in Vermont and, when he could not find his ex-girlfriend - a teacher, he shot and killed one teacher and wounded another. Earlier, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother. He attemtped suicide but survived and was arrested.
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Mar 21, 2005: Jeff Weise, 16, shot to death his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend and then went to his high school in Red Lake, Minnesota, where he killed a security guard, a teacher, and five students, and wounded seven others, before killing himself.
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Nov. 24, 2004: James Lewerke, a 15-year-old student at Valparaiso High School in northern Indiana, pulled two large knives out of his pants and stabbed seven of his classmates. None of the injuries was life-threatening.
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May 7, 2004: Four teenagers leaving a charity basketball game at their Randallstown, Maryland, high school were wounded, one critically, in a drive-by shooting. Among the suspects was a 17-year-old student at the school who had been involved in an earlier incident over a girl.
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Apr. 3, 2004: A shot was fired from a passing car through the glass front door of the Accelerated Learnin and Transition Academy in Houston. About 200 students were in the school at the time but no one was injured.
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Feb. 11, 2004: Ten-year-old Faheem Thomas-Childs was shot in the face outside T.M. Peirce Elementary School in Philadelphia. He died six days after the shooting. He was caught in a shootout between two rival gangs. The gun battle unleashed nearly 100 shots in the area as children were arriving at the school. A school crossing guard was also injured. Two men were arrested for the shooting.
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Feb. 2, 2004: 17-year-old James Richardson was shot to death in Ballou Senior High School in Washington D.C. during second period. The shooting resulted from a confrontation with another student who was arrested.
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Jan. 13, 2004: Following an argument, a 19-year-old entered Northern High School in Detroit and shot Aaron Wilson, 18, six times in the leg. Neither teen was a student at the school.
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Nov. 14, 2003: A 15-year-old student accidently fired a handgun outside the East Mecklenburg High School (North Carolina) cafeteria injuring two students.
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Oct. 30, 2003: 16-year-old Devin Fowlkes was shot to death in front of Anacostia Senior High School in Washington D.C. as he left a homecoming dance along with a crowd of students. Another student was slightly injured. A 15-year-old, who said he was aiming at someone else, was arrested and charged with murder.
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Sept. 26, 2003: A 13-year-old boy fired a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun into the ceiling of a Cleveland County, North Carolina, middle school. He also fired one shot into the closed door of a classroom filled with students. No one was injured.
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Sept. 24, 2003: Aaron Rollins, 17, was killed and Seth Bartell, 14, was critically wounded when 15-year-old John Jason McLaughlin walked out of a locker room at Rocori High School in Cold Spring, Minn., and shot them with a .22-caliber gun he had in his gym bag. Bartell died Oct. 10.
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Apr. 24, 2003: In Red Lion, Pa., 14-year old James Sheets shot and killed his middle school principal Eugene Segro in a crowded school cafeteria and then killed himself.
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Apr. 14, 2003: Gunmen armed with an AK-47 rifle and a handgun opened fire in the packed gymnasium of John McDonogh Senior High School in New Orleans. Jonathan Williams, 15, was killed and three girls were wounded in a spray of bullets. It was thought to be a revenge killing for an earlier murder. A loaded handgun was found on the victim. Four suspects were arrested.
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Jan. 15, 2002: Two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School in Manhattan, were seriously wounded when a teenager opened fire at the school.
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Nov. 13, 2001: Chris Buschbacher, 17, went to the Caro (Mich.) Learning Center armed with a .22-caliber rifle and a 20-gauge shotgun, taking a student and a teacher hostage. During a three-hour standoff, he fired two shots. The hostages were eventually released but Buschbacher, who was reportedly despondent over a breakup with his girlfriend, shot himself as police prepared to enter the building.
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Mar. 30, 2001: Neal Boyd IV, 16, was shot to death outside Lew Wallace High School in Gary, Ind., where he was a student. 17-year-old Donald R. Burt Jr. was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 57 years in prison.
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Mar. 22, 2001: Four students and two teachers were wounded at Granite Hills High School in El Cajon, Ca. None of the injuries were life-threatening. One of the wounded students, 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, was the alleged assailant. The shooting took place in a San Diego suburb just seven miles from the March 5th high school shooting.
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Mar. 7, 2001: An 8th-grade girl shot a 13-year-old classmate during lunch at Bishop Neumann Junior-Senior High School in Williamsport, Pa. The suspect was arrested and the injuries were not considered life-threatening.
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Mar 26, 2001 - An arson fire at the Kyanguli Secondary school in Kenya killed 67 students. Two students were charged with murder.
Unidentified students console each other after a shooting at Santana High School in Santee, Calif. (AP Photo)
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Mar. 5, 2001: 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams was arrested for killing two classmates, and wounding 13 other people, at Santana High School in Santee, Calif. In August 2002, he received a 50-year to life sentence.
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Feb. 2, 2001: Two students and a teachers were reportedly grazed by gunfire at Osborn High School in Detroit. The victims were not seriously hurt, and no suspect was caught.
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Jan. 17, 2001: Juan Matthews, 17, died after being shot three times while standing in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School in Baltimore.
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Oct. 24, 2000: An armed teen-ager briefly held a classroom full of children and a teacher hostage at Pioneer Elementary School in Glendale, Ariz., before surrendering to authorities. There were no injuries.
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Sept. 26, 2000: A 13-year-old and a 15-year-old were critically wounded when they shot each other with the same gun. The shootings occured during a fight at Woodson Middle School in New Orleans, La. The gun had been slipped through a fence to one of the students by a 13-year-old who had been expelled from the school.
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July 17, 2000: In Renton, Wash., near Seattle, a 13-year-old boy was charged with shooting a handgun into the ceiling of the school cafeteria. More than 100 students were in the cafeteria at the time, but no one was injured. The boy, later identified as Josh Warnock, fled and was taken into custody at the home of his grandparents the following day
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May 26, 2000: In Lake Worth, Fla., 13-year-old honor student Nathaniel Brazill shot a teacher in the face, killing him. Police said the seventh-grader had been sent home for throwing water balloons and returned to the school with a handgun he found in his grandfather's dresser
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Mar. 10, 2000:19-year-old Stacy Smalls and 16-year-old Ramone Kimble died from gunshot wounds they suffered as they were leaving a dance honoring the Savannah, Ga. Beach High School girls basketball state championship team. Darrell Ingram, 19, was arrested and charged with murder and aggravated assault.
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Feb. 29, 2000: A first-grade boy at Buell Elementary School in Mount Morris Township, Mich., fatally shot classmate Kayla Rolland, 6, after the two children had a verbal spat. He took the .32-caliber handgun from his uncle's home, where he was living.
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Dec. 6, 1999: Seth Trickey, 13, fired at least 15-rounds at Fort Gibson Middle School in Fort Gibson, Okla., wounding four classmates. He was convicted on seven assault charges.
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Nov. 19, 1999: A 13-year-old girl was shot in the head in school at Deming, New Mexico. She died the next day. 12-year-old Victor Cordova Jr. pleaded guilty to the shooting.
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May 20, 1999: T.J. Solomon, 15, opened fire at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., wounding six students. Solomon pleaded guilty but mentally ill and was sentenced to 40 years in prison.
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Apr. 28, 1999: A 14-year-old who had been bullied by his classmates, opened fire at W.R., Myers high school in Taber, Alberta, Canada, killing a 17-year-old student and wounding another student. The boy, who was obsessed with the Columbine shootings, pleaded guilty to murder and attempted murder and, in November 2000, was sentenced to three-years in jail.
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Apr. 20, 1999: Columbine High School students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, went on a shooting rampage, killing 12 of their classmates and one teacher, a Hoosier native, in Littleton, Colo. Klebold and Harris then kill themselves. The massacre was the bloodiest school shooting in U.S. history.
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June 15, 1998: A male teacher and a female guidance counselor were shot in a hallway at a Richmond, Va., high school. Neither was seriously injured.
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May 21, 1998: Two students were killed and more than 20 other people wounded when Kip Kinkel, 15, opened fire at Thurston High School's cafeteria in Springfield, Ore. Earlier that day, he killed his parents. He had been expelled the day before for bringing a gun to school.
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May 21, 1998: Miles Fox,15, died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Onalaska, Wash. Earlier in the day, he boarded a high school bus with a gun in hand, ordered his girlfriend off the bus and took her to his home, where he shot himself.
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May 21, 1998: A 15-year-old girl was shot and wounded at a suburban Houston, Tx., high school when a gun in the backpack of a 17-year-old boy discharged.
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May 19, 1998: Three days before graduation, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis allegedly opened fire in a parking lot at Lincoln County High School in Fayetteville, Tenn., killing a classmate who was dating his ex-girlfriend.
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Apr. 28, 1998: Two teen-age boys were shot to death and a third was wounded as they played basketball at a Pomona, Calif., elementary school hours after classes had ended. An unidentified 14-year-old boy was charged.
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Apr. 24, 1998: A 48-year-old science teacher was shot to death in front of students at a graduation dance in Edinboro, Pa. Andrew Wurst, a 14-year-old student at James W. Parker Middle School, was charged. The killer was later described as depressed, alienated and a boy who never smiled.
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Mar. 24, 1998: Four girls and a teacher were shot to death and 10 others wounded during a false fire alarm at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Ark. Two boys, Andrew Golden, 11, and Mitchell Johnson, 13, were accused of setting off the alarm and then opening fire from a nearby woods.
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Dec. 1, 1997: Three students were killed and five others wounded as they took part in a prayer circle in a hallway at Heath High School in West Paducah, Ky. Michael Carneal, 14, described as emotionally immature, plead guilty but mentally ill and was sentenced to life.. One of the wounded girls was paralyzed.
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Oct. 1, 1997: 16-year-old outcast Luke Woodham of Pearl, Miss., was sentenced to life in prison for killing his mother, then going to Pearl High School and shooting nine students. Two students died, including the suspect's ex-girlfriend.
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Feb. 19, 1997: 16-year-old Evan Ramsey opened fire with a shotgun in a common area at a Bethel, Alaska, high school, killing the principal and a student and wounding two others. Ramsey was sentenced to two 99-year prison terms.
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Feb. 2, 1996: 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis walked into algebra class with a hunting rifle in his trenchcoat and opened fire, killing the teacher and two students. A third student was injured during the shooting at a junior high school in Moses Lake, Wash.
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Jan. 18, 1993: Scott Pennington, 17, walked into Deanna McDavid's English class at East Carter High School in Grayson, Ky., and shot her in the head. He then shot janitor Marvin Hicks. Pennington was sentenced to life without parole
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May 1, 1992: Eric Houston, 20, killed four people and wounded 10 in a seige at his former high school in Olivehurst, Ca. The attack was said to be in retaliation for a failing grade. Houston was convicted and sentenced to death.
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Jan. 17, 1989: Patrick Purdy, 26, armed with an AK-47 assault rifle, opened fire on a playground at a Stockton, Ca., elementary school. Five children died and 29 children and one teacher were wounded before Purdy killed himself.
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Sept. 26, 1988: James Wilson, 19, opened fire in a Greenwood, S.C. elementary school. He shot seven students and two teachers. Two 8-year-old girls died.
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May 20, 1988: Laurie Dann, 30, shot six students at a Winnetka, Ill., elementary school, killing one second-grader. She then shot a man in a nearby house before committing suicide.
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Jan. 21, 1985: James Alan Kearbey, 14, armed with a M1-A semiautomatic rifle and a .357-caliber handgun, killed the principal and wounded two teachers and a student at his Goddard (Kansas) Junior high school. He pleaded no contest and served seven years in a state youth facility.
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Jan. 29, 1979: Brenda Spencer, 16, opened fire with a .22-caliber rifle at an elementary school across the street from her San Diego, Ca., home. She killed two people and wounded seven because she "didn't like Mondays". She is in prison.
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How many shootings has happen outside of USA? Just seven, so you guys are leading eurotrash & other mofo's like 57 to 7:
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April 29, 2002 - 17-year-old Dragoslav Petkovic opened fire with a handgun shortly after noon at his high school in Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina, killing one teacher and wounding another before taking his own life.
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Apr. 26, 2002 - 19-year-old Robert Steinhaeuser, who had been expelled from Johann Gutenberg high school in Erfurt, Germany, returned to the school and shot to death 13 teachers, two students and a police officer before killing himself.
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Feb. 19, 2002 - A 22-year-old gunman in Munich, Germany, killed his former boss and a foreman at the company that fired him, then went to a high school in a Munich suburb, where he shot the school's headmaster when he was unable to find the teacher he was after. He then shot another teacher in the face and set off homemade bombs before killing himself.
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June 8, 2001 - Mamoru Takuma forced his way into Ikeda Elementary School in Osaka, Japan, stabbed to death eight students and injured 13 others. Takuma, who had a long history of mental illness, pleaded guilty to the crimes.
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Mar 26, 2001 - An arson fire at the Kyanguli Secondary school in Kenya killed 67 students. Two students were charged with murder.
Unidentified students console each other after a shooting at Santana High School in Santee, Calif. (AP Photo)
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March 30, 1997: Mohammad Ahmad al-Naziri, 48, armed with an assault rifle, opened fire on hundreds of students at two school in Sanaa, Yemen. Six children and two others died. He was sentenced to death and executed by firing squad one week after the incident.
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Thomas Hamilton killed 17 people, and then himself, at a Scotland elementary school.
Mar. 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, dressed in black and wearing earmuffs to protect himself from the noise, entered an elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and sprayed 105 bullets into the gym striking 29 people before killing himself. Sixteen five and 6-year-olds and a teacher died.
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Yet another thing to be a proud for... God bless america, because those fuc*kers need it badly
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Yet another thing to be a proud for... God bless america, because those fuc*kers need it badly
Luckily, we Americans could not care less about Finnish politics.
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Luckily, we Americans could not care less about Finnish politics.
Great Finn, the guy who has no life than to bash the greatest country in the world while he sits in his tiny shithole he calls a country.
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Luckily, we Americans could not care less about Finnish politics.
And that is best what you came up with? Not any conspiracy theories about these killings? I have to say I'm little bit disappointed to your effort, you pale little gangsta- wannabe, but anyway, look at the bright side: your fascist friends in NRA have yet another opportunity to keep a rally and gain some new members from Virginia, like they always do after these shootings. Hurrah for NRA, Hurrah for your silly country which have armed their children's and teach them to kill each others.
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And that is best what you came up with? Not any conspiracy theories about these killings? I have to say I'm little bit disappointed to your effort, you pale little gangsta- wannabe, but anyway, look at the bright side: your fascist friends in NRA have yet another opportunity to keep a rally and gain some new members from Virginia, like they always do after these shootings. Hurrah for NRA, Hurrah for your silly country which have armed their children's and teach them to kill each others.
240 a gangster wannabe? He has more brains in his toe than you have in your entire body. All you ever do is complain and whine. Have you ever been to this country? Another guy from Finland who is on this board visited the USA recently. He said he left very jealous of what we Americans have. He showed his jealousy in a positive way unlike a miserable creep like. Just crawl back into the hole you came out of you smelly piece of fecal matter.
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What kind of a sick fucker like you gets off on this greatfinn? You are one sick person. What a son your mom raised. You do so many good things to make her proud. :-X
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The whole world is fuck up. You are not safe anywhere.
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Kids should be spanked more, not less.
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And that is best what you came up with? Not any conspiracy theories about these killings? I have to say I'm little bit disappointed to your effort, you pale little gangsta- wannabe, but anyway, look at the bright side: your fascist friends in NRA have yet another opportunity to keep a rally and gain some new members from Virginia, like they always do after these shootings. Hurrah for NRA, Hurrah for your silly country which have armed their children's and teach them to kill each others.
I find that interesting... Children are killing each other all over the world... Without guns. Bombings... Stabbings...
Wasn't it just a couple of months ago that a whole gang of teens in the UK stabbed one kid to death?
So there are less shootings around the world... there's still an ass load of killing without them.
There are no guns in the UK, but I recall the IRA doing a lot of killing.
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Luckily, we Americans could not care less about Finnish politics.
Finland, hmmm.... yea doesn't it like have about the same population as... Tennessee? I bet we'd have bragging rights on little violence if our population were around 5 million too.
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Great Finn, the guy who has no life than to bash the greatest country in the world while he sits in his tiny shithole he calls a country.
You just did, what you complained about him doing :-\
I adore my nation, and it is wonderful; palm trees and beaches, low crime, tropical weather, free healthcare, no income tax just to start. The US has things we don't have, and we have things they don't. Very different and smaller than the US yes, but not inferior whatsoever.
I always say it is great to be patriotic, but there is no need to bash another's country, from me, Great Finn, you or anyone.
Sorry to lecture btw. No offence intended to anyone
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Sorry, but we don't need to become apologist nuthuggers like europe.
Shit like this will always happen, you cannot stop it. Doesn't mean we have to ban guns and become appologist nuthuggers like the folks in the EU.
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You just did, what you complained about him doing :-\
I adore my nation, and it is wonderful; palm trees and beaches, low crime, tropical weather, free healthcare, no income tax just to start. The US has things we don't have, and we have things they don't. Very different and smaller than the US yes, but not inferior whatsoever.
I always say it is great to be patriotic, but there is no need to bash another's country, from me, Great Finn, you or anyone.
Sorry to lecture btw. No offence intended to anyone
Where are you located?
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Where are you located?
D, ...I've been asking for the past 2 yrs... she just keeps avoiding the question. {sigh}
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Where are you located?
Sounds like Guam.
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awwww, the finn boy is trying to make us cry, boo hoo.
what a clod
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You just did, what you complained about him doing :-\
I adore my nation, and it is wonderful; palm trees and beaches, low crime, tropical weather, free healthcare, no income tax just to start. The US has things we don't have, and we have things they don't. Very different and smaller than the US yes, but not inferior whatsoever.
I always say it is great to be patriotic, but there is no need to bash another's country, from me, Great Finn, you or anyone.
CQ, I really have nothing against his country. You just haven't been reading his constant bashing of America for two years like many of us here have. And for Greatfinn to make light of 32 people being shot down in cold blood... Please, don't try and make excuses for him.
Sorry to lecture btw. No offence intended to anyone
CQ, I really have nothing against his country. You just haven't been reading his constant bashing of America for two years like many of us here have. And for Greatfinn to make light of 32 people being shot down in cold blood... Please, don't try and make excuses for him.
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Sorry, but we don't need to become apologist nuthuggers like europe.
Shit like this will always happen, you cannot stop it. Doesn't mean we have to ban guns and become appologist nuthuggers like the folks in the EU.
Yup, Europe has been home to the biggest mass killers in history. And it has been government sanctioned. Stalin, Hitler, Milosivic or whatever his name was.
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Sorry, but we don't need to become apologist nuthuggers like europe.
Shit like this will always happen, you cannot stop it. Doesn't mean we have to ban guns and become appologist nuthuggers like the folks in the EU.
America has its warts but it will be here for the future unlike a Europe that is turning into a 3rd world mess.
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America has its warts but it will be here for the future unlike a Europe that is turning into a 3rd world mess.
specially cause we're grabbing iraq/iran oil which they covet. US' dollar is getting pwned by the euro right now, but taking that oil will change it.
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Sgt.d: I'm from the Caribbean
CQ, I really have nothing against his country. You just haven't been reading his constant bashing of America for two years like many of us here have. And for Greatfinn to make light of 32 people being shot down in cold blood... Please, don't try and make excuses for him.
Oh, I've been reading it bmacsys, and I agree it is totally rude, and uncalled for. I MASSIVELY apoligize if it even appeared that I was condoning any making light of this situation, far from it. I would never. My thoughts are with all those affected, trust me.
But if you can "feel me", for a minute, I've been reading [not from you] my country getting indirectly bashed for years as well. When one states that all countries are crap but the USA, the USA is better than all other nations etc...it indirectly bashes mine. I think it's great how patriotic Americans are, we're the same here. Sure we are a tiny little woosy nation, but we have great things, and I love it, and in no way consider it inferior to the US.
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You just did, what you complained about him doing :-\
I adore my nation, and it is wonderful; palm trees and beaches, low crime, tropical weather, free healthcare, no income tax just to start. The US has things we don't have, and we have things they don't. Very different and smaller than the US yes, but not inferior whatsoever.
I always say it is great to be patriotic, but there is no need to bash another's country, from me, Great Finn, you or anyone.
Sorry to lecture btw. No offence intended to anyone
Unless you are feeling insecure about your own. :(
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What kind of a sick fucker like you gets off on this greatfinn? You are one sick person. What a son your mom raised. You do so many good things to make her proud. :-X
Don't shoot the messenger, you stupid. I just point out the fact what has happen in the past, and I am the bad guy? 57 to seven? Instead of hating me, try to figure out why that have happen. I don't make those figures, I just point it out. Everything else is made by that overwhelming illusion that you guys are some kind of master race, and you can do everything you want. That is what those kids have done, they live by your code, and kill without understanding why they have the urge to do so.
Nice culture you have down there; in war half of casualties come from the friendly fire, and if you get bullied in school, or your schoolmates faces are annoying, just kill them. That has come a pattern of behaviour in your country, and you are stupid enough to accept it. Don't blame me for it, I didn't do that, blame yourself because you are part of the problem with your attitude. You fuc*kers doesn't respect anything, if there isn't some flaming gun's or extreme violence involved, and you teach that to your children's. Then, when someone put that idea in practice and bring the gun in school, you are running to pray for the dead. I find that amusing, why pray when you got what you have asking for? Let see, I teach my kid to be a potential killer, and if he kills, I pray for victims...nice attitude...
If I am pointing out the fact that there have been lots of unnecessary lost of lives in your schools, am I bashing your country? If you are some angry little teenager, you may twist it that way, but facts are facts. You make the figures, I just use them.
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Don't shoot the messenger, you stupid. I just point out the fact what has happen in the past, and I am the bad guy? 57 to seven? Instead of hating me, try to figure out why that have happen. I don't make those figures, I just point it out. Everything else is made by that overwhelming illusion that you guys are some kind of master race, and you can do everything you want. That is what those kids have done, they live by your code, and kill without understanding why they have the urge to do so.
Nice culture you have down there; in war half of casualties come from the friendly fire, and if you get bullied in school, or your schoolmates faces are annoying, just kill them. That has come a pattern of behaviour in your country, and you are stupid enough to accept it. Don't blame me for it, I didn't do that, blame yourself because you are part of the problem with your attitude. You fuc*kers doesn't respect anything, if there isn't some flaming gun's or extreme violence involved, and you teach that to your children's. Then, when someone put that idea in practice and bring the gun in school, you are running to pray for the dead. I find that amusing, why pray when you got what you have asking for? Let see, I teach my kid to be a potential killer, and if he kills, I pray for victims...nice attitude...
If I am pointing out the fact that there have been lots of unnecessary lost of lives in your schools, am I bashing your country? If you are some angry little teenager, you may twist it that way, but facts are facts. You make the figures, I just use them.
That does it. Now I hope we bomb the hell out of Finland next.
By the way nitwit, the killer is from S. Korea not the united states. half the killings in war are friendly fire?
is your iq over 2?
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Don't shoot the messenger, you stupid. I just point out the fact what has happen in the past, and I am the bad guy? 57 to seven? Instead of hating me, try to figure out why that have happen. I don't make those figures, I just point it out. Everything else is made by that overwhelming illusion that you guys are some kind of master race, and you can do everything you want. That is what those kids have done, they live by your code, and kill without understanding why they have the urge to do so.
Nice culture you have down there; in war half of casualties come from the friendly fire, and if you get bullied in school, or your schoolmates faces are annoying, just kill them. That has come a pattern of behaviour in your country, and you are stupid enough to accept it. Don't blame me for it, I didn't do that, blame yourself because you are part of the problem with your attitude. You fuc*kers doesn't respect anything, if there isn't some flaming gun's or extreme violence involved, and you teach that to your children's. Then, when someone put that idea in practice and bring the gun in school, you are running to pray for the dead. I find that amusing, why pray when you got what you have asking for? Let see, I teach my kid to be a potential killer, and if he kills, I pray for victims...nice attitude...
If I am pointing out the fact that there have been lots of unnecessary lost of lives in your schools, am I bashing your country? If you are some angry little teenager, you may twist it that way, but facts are facts. You make the figures, I just use them.
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Bmac, ...just be grateful his english is not better than it currently is.
And Rooster... ::)
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Bmac, ...just be grateful his english is not better than it currently is.
And Rooster... ::)
Hush Jag, I still love you! :-*
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240 a gangster wannabe? He has more brains in his toe than you have in your entire body. All you ever do is complain and whine. Have you ever been to this country? Another guy from Finland who is on this board visited the USA recently. He said he left very jealous of what we Americans have. He showed his jealousy in a positive way unlike a miserable creep like. Just crawl back into the hole you came out of you smelly piece of fecal matter.
He has told himself that he admire gangsta lifestyle, so why the fuzz? And yes, it isn't no news to me, that he have his brains in his toe. They fit there perfectly, and there is even some space left over.
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Hush Jag, I still love you! :-*
Why do guys think they can say I love you and everything will be ok? ::)
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Why do guys think they can say I love you and everything will be ok? ::)
Because it many cases it works. :-*
In reality it's one of the only few things we have in our favor when it comes to women ;D
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Because it many cases it works. :-*
In reality it's one of the only few things we have in our favor when it comes to women ;D
That only works on women who are already in love with you, ...not the ones who think you're scum.
He's wasteing his time if he thinks it will work on me.
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That only works on women who are already in love with you, ...not the ones who think you're scum.
He's wasteing his time if he thinks it will work on me.
aw come on, i have a big weiner!
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aw come on, i have a big weiner!
You ARE a big weiner, ...but haven't you heard? ...I'm a vegetarian. :D
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You ARE a big weiner, ...but haven't you heard? ...I'm a vegetarian. :D
I'm not a big weiner, i'm a prick!
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I'm not a big weiner, i'm a prick!
You need to bust your own bubble then.
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You need to bust your own bubble then.
my gf does that about 3 times a week.
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Shit like this virginia tech massacre isn't so uncommon in America:
they sell guns in your wonderful right to bear arms country:? yeah? it takes awhile for me to figure that. I used to love your country.
But, I'm now upset about your "right to bear arms" go fetch a license when you turn 21 and go fucking bonkers
You can't get a gun legally in this (my England) country. Thank CXhirstj
I love
it here.
xL:
gimme one
& I'll shoot you if if I'm having a bad night
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Because it many cases it works. :-*
In reality it's one of the only few things we have in our favor when it comes to women ;D
You are also good for opening jars that are stuck.
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You are also good for opening jars that are stuck.
...and reaching things on high shelves and squishing bugs (but we really shouldn't be squishing bug)
...oh, ...and parallel parking. ;D
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...and reaching things on high shelves and squishing bugs (but we really shouldn't be squishing bug)
...oh, ...and parallel parking. ;D
I picked my girls tampons up for her at the drug store the other day , i asked the girl at the counter if she thought they were big enough.....oh the stare she gave me, that quizzical look of WHAT THE FUCK? :o
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I picked my girls tampons up for her at the drug store the other day , i asked the girl at the counter if she thought they were big enough.....oh the stare she gave me, that quizzical look of WHAT THE FUCK? :o
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and with that, tis time to train, toodles.
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That does it. Now I hope we bomb the hell out of Finland next.
Dubya will punch in "finland + oil" into google.
The number of hits will determine if they are attack-worthy.
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Hey how did WWII go when you were allies with the Nazi's?
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Hey how did WWII go when you were allies with the Nazi's?
LOL!
Once some fool told me that some american businessman got into big trouble for selling to the nazis when it was illegal during WWII.
said they took his bank away but gave it back later.
Anyone know his name?
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LOL!
Once some fool told me that some american businessman got into big trouble for selling to the nazis when it was illegal during WWII.
said they took his bank away but gave it back later.
Anyone know his name?
I think is was Prescott Bush... yep... that was the one. Do you suppose he might be related to the Prez?
That would be pretty embarrassing it it were publicly known that your father or grandfather actually traded with the enemy during wartime, or were war profiteers, ...so maybe they're not related. :-\
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Hey how did WWII go when you were allies with the Nazi's?
Well, it did go much better than your war in Vietnam, that's for sure. At least we didn't get our ass kicked by some little Asian nation, where people lives in jungle and electricity is luxury item. In those days we were friends with Nazis and hate Russians who were your best friends, in these days you have a majority of the neo-Nazis in the world, and you hate Russians, who has come friends with us. Still, that doesn't have nothing to do with these figures: America 57, rest of the world 7...
An Asian emigrant was guilty of these VT- killings, and you guys rush to point out that he was from Korea, like that has something to do in this incident, but it hasn't; it only prove how racist you guys are. Still there is 56 school killings done by so called real Americans. Try to explain that, instead of bashing my country, which by the way doesn't have any school killings at all...In fact, these killings has happened just about in seven country in the world: USA 57 cases, Germany 2, Scotland 1, Bosnia 1 , Japan 1, Yemen 1 Kenya 1. More than 120 people have died in schools of your country in past years, so maybe there is something wrong with your system?
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Well, it did go much better than your war in Vietnam, that's for sure. At least we didn't get our ass kicked by some little Asian nation, where people lives in jungle and electricity is luxury item. In those days we were friends with Nazis and hate Russians who were your best friends, in these days you have a majority of the neo-Nazis in the world, and you hate Russians, who has come friends with us. Still, that doesn't have nothing to do with these figures: America 57, rest of the world 7...
An Asian emigrant was guilty of these VT- killings, and you guys rush to point out that he was from Korea, like that has something to do in this incident, but it hasn't; it only prove how racist you guys are. Still there is 56 school killings done by so called real Americans. Try to explain that, instead of bashing my country, which by the way doesn't have any school killings at all...In fact, these killings has happened just about in seven country in the world: USA 57 cases, Germany 2, Scotland 1, Bosnia 1 , Japan 1, Yemen 1 Kenya 1. More than 120 people have died in schools of your country in past years, so maybe there is something wrong with your system?
good points. however in real life, an american would probably pistol whip you as you tried to explain to the authorities on your cell how to rescue you.
might is right, i'm afraid. we got the pistol, so we keep the pesoes.
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Well, it did go much better than your war in Vietnam, that's for sure. At least we didn't get our ass kicked by some little Asian nation, where people lives in jungle and electricity is luxury item. In those days we were friends with Nazis and hate Russians who were your best friends, in these days you have a majority of the neo-Nazis in the world, and you hate Russians, who has come friends with us. Still, that doesn't have nothing to do with these figures: America 57, rest of the world 7...
An Asian emigrant was guilty of these VT- killings, and you guys rush to point out that he was from Korea, like that has something to do in this incident, but it hasn't; it only prove how racist you guys are. Still there is 56 school killings done by so called real Americans. Try to explain that, instead of bashing my country, which by the way doesn't have any school killings at all...In fact, these killings has happened just about in seven country in the world: USA 57 cases, Germany 2, Scotland 1, Bosnia 1 , Japan 1, Yemen 1 Kenya 1. More than 120 people have died in schools of your country in past years, so maybe there is something wrong with your system?
There is something wrong with the system, but it's not the guns... It's the way people just generally treat others in certain areas of the country.
It's disgusting at times.
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There is something wrong with the system, but it's not the guns... It's the way people just generally treat others in certain areas of the country.
It's disgusting at times.
I agree.
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There is something wrong with the system, but it's not the guns... It's the way people just generally treat others in certain areas of the country.
It's disgusting at times.
Yeah. People are rude up in the northeast. :(
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Yeah. People are rude up in the northeast. :(
One of my biggest reasons for leaving Richmond, Virginia was I thought people were too rude.
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There is something wrong with the system, but it's not the guns... It's the way people just generally treat others in certain areas of the country.
It's disgusting at times.
Ya, ...and it starts in the home.
If you can't even parent your 11 yr. old daughter with dignity... what good are you? ;)
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Ya, ...and it starts in the home.
If you can't even parent your 11 yr. old daughter with dignity... what good are you? ;)
Hardly, they probably never chided their 11 year olds, and never let them know that someone DOES care what they do.
You really do hate Baldwin don't you?
Let me guess... when you were a kid, your parents never spanked you, never corrected you, and never had to yell at you right?
Guess what, that would make you unlike 99.99% of children on the planet who need to be taught how to behave.
Good job linking two points that have nothing to do with each other.
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Hardly, they probably never chided their 11 year olds, and never let them know that someone DOES care what they do.
There's a difference between discipline and abuse.
You really do hate Baldwin don't you?
Let's just say I know too much about him to have much affection, let alone any respect or sympathy.
Let me guess... when you were a kid, your parents never spanked you, never corrected you, and never had to yell at you right?
Wrong, I got spanked, yelled at, corrected, disciplined, on occassion, I even got physical punishments that could easily have had Children's Aid Society beating down the door, ...but I never had verbal abuse unleashed on me.
Guess what, that would make you unlike 99.99% of children on the planet who need to be taught how to behave.
There's a difference between discipline and abuse.
Good job linking two points that have nothing to do with each other.
They have everything to do with each other. You contend the problem is in how people generally treat others.
Are you aware of how Alec Baldwin generally treats others? Are you aware of how many people have quit jobs rather than work with him? Are you aware of what a nightmare being in his presence can be? Yes, Tu, it all boils down to how some people generally treat others, and in the case of some, it's generally like shit. >:(
I have no problem with him disciplining, guiding, coaching, parenting his daughter. That rant was none of those.
Spend time in his presence before you comment on the appropriateness of his behaviour or try to justify it.
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There's a difference between discipline and abuse.
Let's just say I know too much about him to have much affection, let alone any respect or sympathy.
Wrong, I got spanked, yelled at, corrected, disciplined, on occassion, I even got physical punishments that could easily have had Children's Aid Society beating down the door, ...but I never had verbal abuse unleashed on me.
There's a difference between discipline and abuse.
They have everything to do with each other. You contend the problem is in how people generally treat others.
Are you aware of how Alec Baldwin generally treats others? Are you aware of how many people have quit jobs rather than work with him? Are you aware of what a nightmare being in his presence can be? Yes, Tu, it all boils down to how some people generally treat others, and in the case of some, it's generally like shit. >:(
I have no problem with him disciplining, guiding, coaching, parenting his daughter. That rant was none of those.
Spend time in his presence before you comment on the appropriateness of his behaviour or try to justify it.
Yelling at a selfish stubborn pig of a child is not abuse... by your tone if someone says anything above a whisper that may be at all negative (even if appropriate) it's abuse.
You're the type of person who if they got involved with me disciplining my child, I'd put you over my knee too... You DO NOT get involved in raising other peoples children... that's crack talk.
You ask me if I know how he is? Let me ask you, "Do I care about Alec Baldwin?" Not in the slightest... I'm only saying anything relating to him because of the point about abuse... Which I don't see. I don't see any abuse.
I'm looking all over for some abuse somewhere in this entire tirade that he did, and don't get me wrong... he went off, but just because someone's pissed doesn't make what they say abusive.
Frankly, I don't care if he treats others like shit... I wouldn't put up with it... if people do, that's their problem... Here's the thing though... If you're a parent, and you treat everyone on earth like shit... you still have a responsibility to be a parent and slap the piss out of your kid if they get out of line... doesn't matter if you're an asshole or not.
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:o ...a spanking? promise? :P
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:o ...a spanking? promise? :P
Maybe after a hard spanking you'll stop being overly sensitive.
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Kids should be spanked more, not less.
I can't believe my ears! I'm not the last person that feels this way? Hello friend!
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:o ...a spanking? promise? :P
I would if you got involved with me and my son...
Oh, that kind of spanking?
Well, You're a little old for me doll...
:D
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I would if you got involved with me and my son...
Oh, that kind of spanking?
Well, You're a little old for me doll...
:D
If I ever meet you... I am SO gonna kick you between the legs... then run away very fast. :D
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If I ever meet you... I am SO gonna kick you between the legs... then run away very fast. :D
I'll be sure to wear a cup.
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I'll be sure to wear a cup.
I'll be sure to wear my stillettos, ...the ones with the extra pointy tip, just for you. :P
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There is something wrong with the system, but it's not the guns... It's the way people just generally treat others in certain areas of the country.
It's disgusting at times.
I agree on that; it isn't the guns. It is those idiots who use the guns.
In your society guns are used to get some power over to next guy, it is a tool used to oppress the weaker party, and when you give a gun to some peasant whose IQ is lower than average, you never know what happen. If we look statistics, forty-six percent of all Americans will suffer some sort of mental disorder in their lifetime, and most will not be treated until years after the disorder's onset, if ever, according to a nationwide survey. So if everyone have guns, just about half of them is a hands of mentally disturbed person. Try to find some humour about that, if you can. That statistic was in Washington Post, it wasn't made by me, so try to maintain you stability. No matter how you read it, you constitution allow even a mentally ill person to carry a gun, because there isn't no way in hell to rule them out with your health care system, and outcome from that will be more killings like in VT. Some moron would try to top those numbers for sure, and there isn't any way to prevent it.
Your constitution is written in era, when guns were needed to protection, hunting, maintain a living in wilderness. It could be just about a time to adjust that constitution to fit modern time and life. In European countries where gun ownership is controlled, there still is guns, but those are in hands of the people who know how, where and when to use them. "I want a gun" isn't good enough excuse to get one, but you have to prove you are good enough to have a gun. These systems rule out most of the mentally sick people, and abuse of guns are rare. Fore example; in Finland there is somewhat 50 gun related cases per year, most of them are drunks shooting to air in public places, some family feuds, motorcycle gangs fighting, and most of them are just threats. Still there is more than 610 000 licensed gun owners, over 2 million licensed and roughly 300 000 illegal firearms in this country. There is few thousands like me, who need a guns in their job, but others are hunters or they practise shooting as a hobby. We simply doesn't need guns for protection, because we didn't hand them over to every fool and crazy mofo at the first place, like you did.
You are in situation which allows you only suffer what is coming to you, so it is quite useless to whine every time someone have been killed by gunfire. You can't change your system even if you want to, because it is driven by forces you could not handle = overwhelming ignorance and stupidity. You have arm your ghetto kids, your emigrants, your racists, your narcs, rednecks and crooks, and every fuc*kin fool which have even one hand to hold a gun, regardless if they are insane or not, so what there is to do, but bear it? Even that "gangsta wannabe" 240 have a gun, but no brains to go with it, so you should be fuc*king scared, if something ;)
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Even that "gangsta wannabe" 240 have a gun, but no brains to go with it, so you should be fuc*king scared, if something ;)
Anyone who has posted here a bit knows you're very wrong here. I've carried for 9.5 years now. And I've been very smart with it. Been in a fight and several shovings (in my younger days around other younger folks) and never drew my weapon. I've been very angry at time, as have all folks, but using my gun never came to mind - it's just a tool that you use in the right circumstances - when your life or the life of those around you is in danger.
GFinn, you don't seem like a very rational person, but everything I do is based on logic and reason. Sorry ya don't posess the maturity and decision-making ability of a 'gangsta wannabe" American cowboy like myself.
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Anyone who has posted here a bit knows you're very wrong here. I've carried for 9.5 years now. And I've been very smart with it. Been in a fight and several shovings (in my younger days around other younger folks) and never drew my weapon. I've been very angry at time, as have all folks, but using my gun never came to mind - it's just a tool that you use in the right circumstances - when your life or the life of those around you is in danger.
GFinn, you don't seem like a very rational person, but everything I do is based on logic and reason. Sorry ya don't posess the maturity and decision-making ability of a 'gangsta wannabe" American cowboy like myself.
I have seen you with your gun, and I am not impressed at all. I wonder Why? Here is a picture of you and your friends at the shooting range, when you did leave your ear protection at home.
(http://www.snipercountry.com/photogallery/ATFHearingProtection.jpg)
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I'm with 240..carried concealed for about 5 years...never ever ever pulled the thing ever. I have never even considered pulling it and I get road rage just like the next guy. Conversely I was in Afghanistan for 4 days when we got side swiped by a taxi. My 9mm was buried in the drivers face within seconds..its all training and situation that dictates the use of a firearm. I'm sure 240 is mature enough to use his. The average gangbanger or a guy like in the VT shooting deal was not.
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I have seen you with your gun, and I am not impressed at all. I wonder Why? Here is a picture of you and your friends at the shooting range, when you did leave your ear protection at home.
(http://www.snipercountry.com/photogallery/ATFHearingProtection.jpg)
LOL! Tell me that is not really 240 in that picture? Talk about a Darwin Award winner. That is classic!
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hahahahahahaha
nice earplug there.
Look at the ballcap. ATF guys aren't known for their brains, or their morals.
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hahahahahahaha
nice earplug there.
Look at the ballcap. ATF guys aren't known for their brains, or their morals.
Next time maybe a reflex action causing an index finger to curl quickly will happen... It would certainly save us all some time.
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I agree on that; it isn't the guns. It is those idiots who use the guns.
In your society guns are used to get some power over to next guy, it is a tool used to oppress the weaker party, and when you give a gun to some peasant whose IQ is lower than average, you never know what happen. If we look statistics, forty-six percent of all Americans will suffer some sort of mental disorder in their lifetime, and most will not be treated until years after the disorder's onset, if ever, according to a nationwide survey. So if everyone have guns, just about half of them is a hands of mentally disturbed person. Try to find some humour about that, if you can. That statistic was in Washington Post, it wasn't made by me, so try to maintain you stability. No matter how you read it, you constitution allow even a mentally ill person to carry a gun, because there isn't no way in hell to rule them out with your health care system, and outcome from that will be more killings like in VT. Some moron would try to top those numbers for sure, and there isn't any way to prevent it.
Your constitution is written in era, when guns were needed to protection, hunting, maintain a living in wilderness. It could be just about a time to adjust that constitution to fit modern time and life. In European countries where gun ownership is controlled, there still is guns, but those are in hands of the people who know how, where and when to use them. "I want a gun" isn't good enough excuse to get one, but you have to prove you are good enough to have a gun. These systems rule out most of the mentally sick people, and abuse of guns are rare. Fore example; in Finland there is somewhat 50 gun related cases per year, most of them are drunks shooting to air in public places, some family feuds, motorcycle gangs fighting, and most of them are just threats. Still there is more than 610 000 licensed gun owners, over 2 million licensed and roughly 300 000 illegal firearms in this country. There is few thousands like me, who need a guns in their job, but others are hunters or they practise shooting as a hobby. We simply doesn't need guns for protection, because we didn't hand them over to every fool and crazy mofo at the first place, like you did.
You are in situation which allows you only suffer what is coming to you, so it is quite useless to whine every time someone have been killed by gunfire. You can't change your system even if you want to, because it is driven by forces you could not handle = overwhelming ignorance and stupidity. You have arm your ghetto kids, your emigrants, your racists, your narcs, rednecks and crooks, and every fuc*kin fool which have even one hand to hold a gun, regardless if they are insane or not, so what there is to do, but bear it? Even that "gangsta wannabe" 240 have a gun, but no brains to go with it, so you should be fuc*king scared, if something ;)
Your country has less gun related deaths? BIG FUCKING DEAL. I don't see anybody clamoring to get into Finland. Or emulating the Finnish way of life. People are knocking on the door to get in the USA every day. I think that sums it up nicely.
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if finland had oil, we'd be dropping bombs on your house, GFinn.
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Your country has less gun related deaths? BIG FUCKING DEAL. I don't see anybody clamoring to get into Finland. Or emulating the Finnish way of life. People are knocking on the door to get in the USA every day. I think that sums it up nicely.
That's your argument? ??? C'mon bmac, surely you can do better than that?
He has raised some very valid points and backed up his statements quite logically. I disagree with his description of 240, but other than that his comments were very valid, ...and all you have to say is "I don't see anybody clamoring to get into Finland" Do you even know wtf Finland is? You'll have to do better.
ps - It's a good thing for you this discussion is in English, ...'cause I have a feeling he'd make mince meat out of quite a few of you were it in his native tongue.
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Your country has less gun related deaths? BIG FUCKING DEAL. I don't see anybody clamoring to get into Finland. Or emulating the Finnish way of life. People are knocking on the door to get in the USA every day. I think that sums it up nicely.
Let's think about this just a moment; every time I use words "ignorance" and "stupidity", it is like call signal just for you, and you come running and prove my words to be true. Why it is so? Do you have some kind of self confident issue, or are you just stupid?
You don't see anybody clamouring to get in to Finland and you don't know why? You really believe that those people come up to tell you about it? Why the name of god they would be willing to share their thoughts with some ignorant little boy, who knows all about wanking but nothing more than that. And who is knocking on the door to get in USA? Few million mexicans, some puerto ricans and other not so welcome emigrants. Emigrating there from the civilised world is lower every year, so glamour of your country is fading fast. Who want to come a country which is on war with some banana republic just about every year, and which demands that young emigrants go to army in USA = you move your family there and you boys end up to some useless fuc*king war against some stupid rag heads, because your government want to steal their oil, and maybe they get killed by that "friendly fire" which you guy's are famous.
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That's your argument? ??? C'mon bmac, surely you can do better than that?
He has raised some very valid points and backed up his statements quite logically. I disagree with his description of 240, but other than that his comments were very valid, ...and all you have to say is "I don't see anybody clamoring to get into Finland" Do you even know wtf Finland is? You'll have to do better.
ps - It's a good thing for you this discussion is in English, ...'cause I have a feeling he'd make mince meat out of quite a few of you were it in his native tongue.
Thank you for those kind words, and yes; It is quite hard to have a reasonable argue with English as bad as mine, but I recon I have to give some compensation to these little brats, or some child welfare organization make case against me for beating these little dorks out of their senses.
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Bottom line is that guns cause violence, but people are ultimately pulling the strings. To have certain freedoms, you must put up with certain things such as school shootings and other assorted gun crimes. That's the way I see it and I support the second amendment because I believe some guy who couldn't get laid and shot up a school shouldn't infringe upon the freedoms of law abiding gun owners.
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Bottom line is that guns cause violence
I like the rest of your argument, but I'm not sure about this statement.
A gun is a tool. A nailgun, a car, or a screwdriver are also tools. All 4 can kill.
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I like the rest of your argument, but I'm not sure about this statement.
A gun is a tool. A nailgun, a car, or a screwdriver are also tools. All 4 can kill.
Yep, ...it's all in how you use them.
Bricks, hammers, saws, nails, screwdrivers, 2 by 4's, etc. can all be used to create tremendous damage,
...however when used properly, they can also build you a house.
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Yep, ...it's all in how you use them.
Bricks, hammers, saws, nails, screwdrivers, 2 by 4's, etc. can all be used to create tremendous damage,
...however when used properly, they can also build you a house.
Guns can free your country from Tyrannical oppression... Building a house vs. overthrowing tyranny... You tell me which is better.
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Guns can free your country from Tyrannical oppression... Building a house vs. overthrowing tyranny... You tell me which is better.
{pssst} ...you're preaching to the choir. :P
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{pssst} ...you're preaching to the choir. :P
{psst}... It was a general "you". :D
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Bottom line is that guns cause violence, but people are ultimately pulling the strings. To have certain freedoms, you must put up with certain things such as school shootings and other assorted gun crimes. That's the way I see it and I support the second amendment because I believe some guy who couldn't get laid and shot up a school shouldn't infringe upon the freedoms of law abiding gun owners.
Bottom line is that guns doesn't do anything without some bozo pulling the trigger. I have roomful of guns, with just about every caliber they make, but when I leave the room nothing happen there. They doesn't start to shoot by them self, but I have to admit that some of those big bore rifles look somewhat angry. Anyway, no matter if we are talking knives, axes or Uzis, they start to be dangerous only when they are in hands of somebody. In USA you have done guns just one common household object, and you have lowered threshold to use one so low, that it is common to use guns at road rage incidents and family feuds. Your society is so filled with guns, that it is insane. Only outcome from that is firearm related violence.
Guns doesn't increase your safety in these days, because everybody have them, and if you pull out a gun to protect yourself, it just means that you have gunfight on your hands, and threatening party usually have more experience about killing. What are those certain freedoms what you are talking about? Freedom to bully next guy using gun? Freedom to carry a gun, including a right to be killed by one in first incident where you try to use it. How many death that is worth of? What is fair price for that freedom? Current bet is just under 90 000 lives per year, but that have to be too low, because you are willing to pay it, and more during this year.
Have you ever try to think how they can live in other countries, where people doesn't have such rights, no school killings, no drive by shootings, no gang violence, no serial killers, no idiots carrying a gun just to shoot you for first excuse they get. How real is your freedom if you have to have your own gun to maintain it? Only what you really have is freedom to be scared and ready to defence yourself in 24/7, and your nation is only place in earth where that is called freedom.
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Bottom line is that guns doesn't do anything without some bozo pulling the trigger. I have roomful of guns, with just about every caliber they make, but when I leave the room nothing happen there. They doesn't start to shoot by them self, but I have to admit that some of those big bore rifles look somewhat angry. Anyway, no matter if we are talking knives, axes or Uzis, they start to be dangerous only when they are in hands of somebody. In USA you have done guns just one common household object, and you have lowered threshold to use one so low, that it is common to use guns at road rage incidents and family feuds. Your society is so filled with guns, that it is insane. Only outcome from that is firearm related violence.
Guns doesn't increase your safety in these days, because everybody have them, and if you pull out a gun to protect yourself, it just means that you have gunfight on your hands, and threatening party usually have more experience about killing. What are those certain freedoms what you are talking about? Freedom to bully next guy using gun? Freedom to carry a gun, including a right to be killed by one in first incident where you try to use it. How many death that is worth of? What is fair price for that freedom? Current bet is just under 90 000 lives per year, but that have to be too low, because you are willing to pay it, and more during this year.
Have you ever try to think how they can live in other countries, where people doesn't have such rights, no school killings, no drive by shootings, no gang violence, no serial killers, no idiots carrying a gun just to shoot you for first excuse they get. How real is your freedom if you have to have your own gun to maintain it? Only what you really have is freedom to be scared and ready to defence yourself in 24/7, and your nation is only place in earth where that is called freedom.
I see your point, but if a massive war were to break out and Finland was over run by some evil entity... Would you be happy or sad that the US (Who would most likely run to Finland's aid) had people with these guns, or would you rather us not have them and do nothing?
The guns are not just to protect people from the guy down the street... It's to protect people from corrupt government, or evil entities that may have beat the US Military.
While the US Military being defeated on home soil is "unlikely" (if not impossible)... I feel better knowing that I myself get to be my own last line of defense.
If people are "fearful" about owning guns, then the reality is that they simply were looking for something to be fearful about in the first place... If it wasn't guns, it would be bombs, if not bombs, then gangs... If not gangs... Well, you get my point I'm sure.
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Yep, ...it's all in how you use them.
Bricks, hammers, saws, nails, screwdrivers, 2 by 4's, etc. can all be used to create tremendous damage,
...however when used properly, they can also build you a house.
Technically you could nail in nails with the butt of a gun.