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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Tom on April 17, 2007, 04:45:18 PM
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just wondering if the pros ever go off the gear,hg,insulin,etcetera. at any time of the year even if it's for a week, 2 weeks, or 1 month are they ever off the juice? if so do they do this time to recover and use "natural" testosterone boosting supplements and perhaps some estrogen blockers?
or if they do come off for any length of time, do they go off of everything?
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i would say some do. but not many. i know one national level competitor that will take 2-3 months off from everything....including training. he can't stand lifting now without being on something
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i know gym rats that dont come off. Always on something
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You'd be surprised at the truth.
They're all over the board, but some of the ones you wouldn't suspect take time off, probably spend more time off than most.
Of course "off" for them is off AAS....GH and such are still used.
Anything that doesn't affect the HPTA, and they can convince themselves they can still be "healthy" and use year round....is still used year round.
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Oh, and "off" is still HRT doses....their own production is pretty much gone.
So....I guess they're not really off at all. Just less "on?"
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just wondering if the pros ever go off the gear,hg,insulin,etcetera. at any time of the year even if it's for a week, 2 weeks, or 1 month are they ever off the juice? if so do they do this time to recover and use "natural" testosterone boosting supplements and perhaps some estrogen blockers?
or if they do come off for any length of time, do they go off of everything?
Absolutely not. They are on full force year round. Wether its getting ready for a show or a guest posing seminar or to meet with would be sponsors. Their idea of going off is to take 4 sustenon per day instead of their usual 10 or 2 anadrol 50 per day instead of their usual 5. Thats just the gas and does not include T3, insilin, or HGH. They need to be in shape or they will get poor publicity and no sponsors. Thats just the way it is on that level and a major fact that knowone seems to understand outside of the competitive bbdg relm.
PB
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Somebody had told me that if you want to be pro sized you can never come off.
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just wondering if the pros ever go off the gear,hg,insulin,etcetera. at any time of the year even if it's for a week, 2 weeks, or 1 month are they ever off the juice? if so do they do this time to recover and use "natural" testosterone boosting supplements and perhaps some estrogen blockers?
or if they do come off for any length of time, do they go off of everything?
Smart BB come off in order to clean receptors outs.
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Smart BB come off in order to clean receptors outs.
good point ,but how many smart bber's are their?
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I don't know. Muscle maturity is a funny thing. I'm 29 now and use 1/3 the doses I used when I was 23, plus I go 8-10 weeks on and 12 weeks off...and I'm bigger and harder than I was then, easily.
I think the more muscle maturity you have the longer you can take off. I'd like to believe that there are some pros who are responsible in thier protocols.
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yea, you see 1-2 guys every eyar at the arnold, top pros who look like theyve never trained. at the Olimpia tho, they are back in top shape.
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yea, you see 1-2 guys every eyar at the arnold, top pros who look like theyve never trained. at the Olimpia tho, they are back in top shape.
IFBB Pro Chuck Sanow is like that. I see him one day and he looks like a normal guy who's fit or maybe "works out" a little.
Then I see him a 3 weeks later and he looks freaky ripped and amazing.
MOST top amateurs never take off. I spoke to very recently a guy doing JRNats as a heavyweight and he told me how he hasn't come OFF in about 2 years. After his AAS cycles he used the ancillary drugs to bring him back to base levels then he got on GH and a little bit of slin(post-workout only) for his OFFSEASON.
He doesn't intend on ever going off to be honest.
I also speak to local guys who might take about 2-4 weeks OFF completely. Otherwise...their 'bridgers' are usually TESt-E at 250mg/week with 20mg of dbol daily w/ 2-4iu's of gh daily.
Sad but very true.
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Smart BB come off in order to clean receptors outs.
Thats just it though. If they do that, they lose out and then they need to take twice that amount to "catch up" to the front running pro's. Either way, its a double wammy on your system.
PB
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I wouldn't wanna see some of these guys when they're off the shit
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If you are using Gear year round ...you just don't have what it takes. No successful BB would use Gear year round.
Several different factor.
1-severe Heath consequences in a very short amount of time.(Would be out of the competitive scene in couple years)
2-The excess use of gear forces your internal organs to a point that creates inability to effectively lean out.
3-The exaltion of receptor would be clear, only accentuating the side affects
4-Long pauses of use are necessary to reestablish internal organs heath and receptors.
Again If someone is using it year to year. 1-You don't know what you are doing
2-You have serious genetic deficiencies- BB is not for you
3-You are just totally stupid
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Their idea of going off is to take 4 sustenon per day instead of their usual 10 PB
I highly doubt anyone takes 2500 mg of test EVERY DAY...but I could be wrong.
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Of course they will tell you that they come off, or the most they take is like 200mgs a wk of Deca (sure Flex). ::)
But I think that everyone in the know realizes that all pro's stay on during the year. I know pro's that stay on test all year long, and just cycle other drugs in with it. I tried it for a while as well. I like to use Lots of test with Dbol or Drol + insulin and creatine when bulking, when cutting I like to use lower amounts of test in conjuction with Fina and Winny. The test keeps my sexdrive even through out the year. I tried fina and winny on it's own, however I felt like a bitch whenever a sad movie came on. :-\
Just my $.02
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he can't stand lifting now without being on something
Pathetic..........
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I don't know. Muscle maturity is a funny thing. I'm 29 now and use 1/3 the doses I used when I was 23, plus I go 8-10 weeks on and 12 weeks off...and I'm bigger and harder than I was then, easily.
I think the more muscle maturity you have the longer you can take off. I'd like to believe that there are some pros who are responsible in thier protocols.
I'm exactly in the same boat!!! I'm 27 and using literally a 3rd of what I was when I was 22,23.. I'm at the point where I don't want more size, just shape and balance.. I have no aspirations of being a pro or anything like that, I'm happy with my body, just enjoying life now :)
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I'm exactly in the same boat!!! I'm 27 and using literally a 3rd of what I was when I was 22,23.. I'm at the point where I don't want more size, just shape and balance.. I have no aspirations of being a pro or anything like that, I'm happy with my body, just enjoying life now :)
Ditto.
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I'm exactly in the same boat!!! I'm 27 and using literally a 3rd of what I was when I was 22,23.. I'm at the point where I don't want more size, just shape and balance.. I have no aspirations of being a pro or anything like that, I'm happy with my body, just enjoying life now :)
Word, I try not to use more that a Gram of test a Week when I'm bulking, and usually 5-600 when leaning down. I don't compete anymore so what's the point? I just want to stay big and have the benefit of accelerated recovery. ;)
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I'm good friends with a top pro, and he comes "off" for a while here and there. Says he just feels better.
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In another thread on here last week - think it was on the bodybuilders fans and friends board - Lee claimed to be off for 8 months of the year and only on for 4 months pre contest and during contest time. Are we calling bullsh it on this ??
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Heres the link
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=140663.msg1994060#msg1994060
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In another thread on here last week - think it was on the bodybuilders fans and friends board - Lee claimed to be off for 8 months of the year and only on for 4 months pre contest and during contest time. Are we calling bullsh it on this ??
With Lee I think we can give him a Pass, he no longer competes. Unless you count that silly PDI thing? ;) ;D 8)
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It's all about hormone levels
Anybody can be the size of a pro (SIZE, NOT LOOK) if they bring their hormone levels up to par with them
It's really sad some people still say the drugs arent important, they are the goddamn base that makes it all possible to begin with
This is not to say that huge doses are needed but SUFFICIENT doses are definately needed, it's almost exact mathematics if you will
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i remember seeing lee while i was visiting sydney, australia about 13 years ago.
ron laura was trying to get everyone to endorse his matrix shit (training method, don't ask me to get into it).
lee was lean and looked to be off cycle.
from my humble observations he looked extremely gifted for bbing (duh). all muscle groups appeared complete and symmetrical. his arms were dense and full.
the thing is, he wasn't really that big. the next time i saw him in cali he was twice the size, unreal, but fat as fuck. said he was about 230 or something. hard to tell if he was on because there was no discernable definition and his face didn't look much different, just fatter. his shape was unmistakeably all bber though.
then when i saw him at the olympia, i couldn't believe it. night and day difference to any version i'd ever seen of him, bearing in mind the guy'd been competing since he was, like, 12 or something.
assuming he was taking the usual for all those years of comps in australia, there is no doubt he found something real special when he came to the u.s and i'm assuming it wasn't the matrix program. ;D
anyway, my point is, even the most 'honest' straight forward competitors are NOT going to tell you they take bucket loads of gear because then everyone just says...wait for it...'all drugs' so i honestly don't blame them for choosing not to disclose their real cycles.
let's face it, it's very very hard for a guy with an ego (99%) to admit that someone is just plain bigger, stronger, faster and there's not a damn thing he can do about it. anyone that mimes 'all drugs' is a guy making excuses for his inadequacies. hell, case in point: 'true adonis' ::)
imo, guys like priest are most definitely NOT 'all drugs'. take all the drugs out of the equasion and he still has a tremendous physique that kicks ass.
2.5 grams of sus a day. ;D now i've heard everything. sometimes i think the only reason you guys don't take drugs is because you don't want to find out you still look like shit but don't have an excuse anymore.
keep making excuses for your failures and i guarantee you'll never be anything but another member of the vast majority of failures out there.
remember, no one ever made an excuse for winning. ;)
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Smart BB come off in order to clean receptors outs.
New receptors are created and replaced most bbers will change compounds.
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In another thread on here last week - think it was on the bodybuilders fans and friends board - Lee claimed to be off for 8 months of the year and only on for 4 months pre contest and during contest time. Are we calling bullsh it on this ??
A pro will never disclose what he/she does. They have too much to lose.
PB
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A pro will never disclose what he/she does. They have too much to lose.
PB
WRONG I ALWAYS HAVE SAID WHAT I TAKE....NO BIG SECRET....I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST....ITS JUST TO BAD PEOPLE DONT BELEIVE ME WHEN I TELL THEM......WHY WOULD I LIE I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU OR ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I USE......I COULDNT CARELESS.....BUT IF YOU ASK AND I TELL YOU......THEN IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHAT I TAKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT IT SINCE DAY ONE......GO BACK 10 YEARS OR MORE YOU CAN FIND INTERVIEWS.....THE VIDEOS I DID WITH TOM PLATZ I SAID DONT HIDE MY FACE OR VOICE I WAN TPEOPLE TO SEE ITS ME...ALL THE OTHERS PRO BLACKED OUT THIER FACES AND VOICE WAS DISTORTED
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WRONG I ALWAYS HAVE SAID WHAT I TAKE....NO BIG SECRET....I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST....ITS JUST TO BAD PEOPLE DONT BELEIVE ME WHEN I TELL THEM......WHY WOULD I LIE I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU OR ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I USE......I COULDNT CARELESS.....BUT IF YOU ASK AND I TELL YOU......THEN IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHAT I TAKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT IT SINCE DAY ONE......GO BACK 10 YEARS OR MORE YOU CAN FIND INTERVIEWS.....THE VIDEOS I DID WITH TOM PLATZ I SAID DONT HIDE MY FACE OR VOICE I WAN TPEOPLE TO SEE ITS ME...ALL THE OTHERS PRO BLACKED OUT THIER FACES AND VOICE WAS DISTORTED
ok
while you're always being honest and if i ask, you'll tell me.
what drugs did you take to compete in your 2nd olympia?
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WRONG I ALWAYS HAVE SAID WHAT I TAKE....NO BIG SECRET....I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST....ITS JUST TO BAD PEOPLE DONT BELEIVE ME WHEN I TELL THEM......WHY WOULD I LIE I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU OR ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I USE......I COULDNT CARELESS.....BUT IF YOU ASK AND I TELL YOU......THEN IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHAT I TAKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT IT SINCE DAY ONE......GO BACK 10 YEARS OR MORE YOU CAN FIND INTERVIEWS.....THE VIDEOS I DID WITH TOM PLATZ I SAID DONT HIDE MY FACE OR VOICE I WAN TPEOPLE TO SEE ITS ME...ALL THE OTHERS PRO BLACKED OUT THIER FACES AND VOICE WAS DISTORTED
Great great post.
Unlike other pro who love giant sets.......
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WRONG I ALWAYS HAVE SAID WHAT I TAKE....NO BIG SECRET....I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST....ITS JUST TO BAD PEOPLE DONT BELEIVE ME WHEN I TELL THEM......WHY WOULD I LIE I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU OR ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I USE......I COULDNT CARELESS.....BUT IF YOU ASK AND I TELL YOU......THEN IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHAT I TAKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT IT SINCE DAY ONE......GO BACK 10 YEARS OR MORE YOU CAN FIND INTERVIEWS.....THE VIDEOS I DID WITH TOM PLATZ I SAID DONT HIDE MY FACE OR VOICE I WAN TPEOPLE TO SEE ITS ME...ALL THE OTHERS PRO BLACKED OUT THIER FACES AND VOICE WAS DISTORTED
Hey Lee, i aint sayin i dont belive you, i just have a question. If you have been juicing for 15-20 years on and off, is your natural test production not shot to pieces?? If so, how can you go 8 months of the year without any test or anythiong?? Just curious mate?
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It's all about hormone levels
Anybody can be the size of a pro (SIZE, NOT LOOK) if they bring their hormone levels up to par with them
It's really sad some people still say the drugs arent important, they are the goddamn base that makes it all possible to begin with
This is not to say that huge doses are needed but SUFFICIENT doses are definately needed, it's almost exact mathematics if you will
This is exactly what I was saying is NOT the case. I take less, a lot less than before, and I'm bigger. Explain that.
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WRONG I ALWAYS HAVE SAID WHAT I TAKE....NO BIG SECRET....I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST....ITS JUST TO BAD PEOPLE DONT BELEIVE ME WHEN I TELL THEM......WHY WOULD I LIE I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU OR ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I USE......I COULDNT CARELESS.....BUT IF YOU ASK AND I TELL YOU......THEN IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHAT I TAKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT IT SINCE DAY ONE......GO BACK 10 YEARS OR MORE YOU CAN FIND INTERVIEWS.....THE VIDEOS I DID WITH TOM PLATZ I SAID DONT HIDE MY FACE OR VOICE I WAN TPEOPLE TO SEE ITS ME...ALL THE OTHERS PRO BLACKED OUT THIER FACES AND VOICE WAS DISTORTED
still waiting for your drug cycles for your second olympia lee?
you said you 'always' say what you take, 'always' honest and if asked you will tell ???
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This is exactly what I was saying is NOT the case. I take less, a lot less than before, and I'm bigger. Explain that.
I dont know what you're doing now or what you did before
The explanation is simple: you're now taking a sufficient amount and perhaps your training sucked before (how should I know why you were smaller on more drugs :)
If you dont believe what I say, TRY to be as big as you are now on 1/2 your current doses or even no drugs at all
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bump for lee being all talk and no walk...again.
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WRONG I ALWAYS HAVE SAID WHAT I TAKE....NO BIG SECRET....I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST....ITS JUST TO BAD PEOPLE DONT BELEIVE ME WHEN I TELL THEM......WHY WOULD I LIE I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU OR ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I USE......I COULDNT CARELESS.....BUT IF YOU ASK AND I TELL YOU......THEN IT IS THE TRUTH OF WHAT I TAKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT IT SINCE DAY ONE......GO BACK 10 YEARS OR MORE YOU CAN FIND INTERVIEWS.....THE VIDEOS I DID WITH TOM PLATZ I SAID DONT HIDE MY FACE OR VOICE I WAN TPEOPLE TO SEE ITS ME...ALL THE OTHERS PRO BLACKED OUT THIER FACES AND VOICE WAS DISTORTED
I was generalizing, Lee :)
PB
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still waiting for your drug cycles for your second olympia lee?
you said you 'always' say what you take, 'always' honest and if asked you will tell ???
98 EASY........CLENBUTEROL. ......WINSTROL EVERY 4TH DAY 100MGS.....ANADROL 50 1 ADAY THE LAST 5 WEKS................AND A LITTLE HALO LAST 3 WEEKS........
97 IRONMAN WHEN IGOT 2ND TO FLEX ALL I USED WAS WINSTROL AND CLEN AND A LITTLE T3 THAT WAS IT...THAT WAS ALL I USED IN AIUSTRALIA BEFORE A SHOW.......AS FOR MY TEST WHEN I COME OFF...IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO NORMAL....I HAVE BEEN OFF SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR I AM 250 FEEL GOOD HAD BLOOD WORK DONE LAST WEEK TEST LEVEL WAS 285.........I STARTED USING WHEN I WAS 19....SO I HAVE ONLY USED ON AND OFF FOR 16 YEARS........MORE OFF THEN ON........I HAVE NEEVR RELIED ON THEM ...DO THAT THEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE.........I HAVE BEEN COMPETING IN THE PRO SINCE 92.......AND STILL HERE.I HAVE SEEN ALOT COME AND GO........MYSELF RONNIE AND CHRIS ARE THE ONLY ONES FROM THE EARLY 90S AND VINCE NOW HE CAME BACK...I SEE ALL THESE SO CALLED NEW GUYS COMING UP WHO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE IN THERE 40S WHEN THEY AR ONLY IN THIER 20S........ITS ABOUT LONGEVITY....I GIVE SHAWN CREDIT FOR STAYING IN IT AND LOOKING GOOD FOR AS LONG AS HE DID......
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98 EASY........CLENBUTEROL. ......WINSTROL EVERY 4TH DAY 100MGS.....ANADROL 50 1 ADAY THE LAST 5 WEKS................AND A LITTLE HALO LAST 3 WEEKS........
97 IRONMAN WHEN IGOT 2ND TO FLEX ALL I USED WAS WINSTROL AND CLEN AND A LITTLE T3 THAT WAS IT...THAT WAS ALL I USED IN AIUSTRALIA BEFORE A SHOW.......AS FOR MY TEST WHEN I COME OFF...IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO NORMAL....I HAVE BEEN OFF SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR I AM 250 FEEL GOOD HAD BLOOD WORK DONE LAST WEEK TEST LEVEL WAS 285.........I STARTED USING WHEN I WAS 19....SO I HAVE ONLY USED ON AND OFF FOR 16 YEARS........MORE OFF THEN ON........I HAVE NEEVR RELIED ON THEM ...DO THAT THEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE.........I HAVE BEEN COMPETING IN THE PRO SINCE 92.......AND STILL HERE.I HAVE SEEN ALOT COME AND GO........MYSELF RONNIE AND CHRIS ARE THE ONLY ONES FROM THE EARLY 90S AND VINCE NOW HE CAME BACK...I SEE ALL THESE SO CALLED NEW GUYS COMING UP WHO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE IN THERE 40S WHEN THEY AR ONLY IN THIER 20S........ITS ABOUT LONGEVITY....I GIVE SHAWN CREDIT FOR STAYING IN IT AND LOOKING GOOD FOR AS LONG AS HE DID......
shit, wasn't expecting to hear from you again on this thread.
i supected you might have run some growth/igf 1 or something because you had that look that was beyond anything you had at the aussie shows.
to be honest with you, i still suspect. seen too many guys in pro sports jumping up and down swearing they never done this/that, even when the evidence is all there.
however, without any evidence to the contrary i will give you the benefit of the doubt and congratulate you for your candid response.
i would also like to apologise to you for accusing you of being a coward. for what it's worth, your credibility at walking your talk just went through the roof in my book. 8)
let me just eat my words now.
wasn't expecting that. i thought you would run and hide like everyone else
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98 EASY........CLENBUTEROL. ......WINSTROL EVERY 4TH DAY 100MGS.....ANADROL 50 1 ADAY THE LAST 5 WEKS................AND A LITTLE HALO LAST 3 WEEKS........
97 IRONMAN WHEN IGOT 2ND TO FLEX ALL I USED WAS WINSTROL AND CLEN AND A LITTLE T3 THAT WAS IT...THAT WAS ALL I USED IN AIUSTRALIA BEFORE A SHOW.......AS FOR MY TEST WHEN I COME OFF...IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO NORMAL....I HAVE BEEN OFF SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR I AM 250 FEEL GOOD HAD BLOOD WORK DONE LAST WEEK TEST LEVEL WAS 285.........I STARTED USING WHEN I WAS 19....SO I HAVE ONLY USED ON AND OFF FOR 16 YEARS........MORE OFF THEN ON........I HAVE NEEVR RELIED ON THEM ...DO THAT THEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE.........I HAVE BEEN COMPETING IN THE PRO SINCE 92.......AND STILL HERE.I HAVE SEEN ALOT COME AND GO........MYSELF RONNIE AND CHRIS ARE THE ONLY ONES FROM THE EARLY 90S AND VINCE NOW HE CAME BACK...I SEE ALL THESE SO CALLED NEW GUYS COMING UP WHO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE IN THERE 40S WHEN THEY AR ONLY IN THIER 20S........ITS ABOUT LONGEVITY....I GIVE SHAWN CREDIT FOR STAYING IN IT AND LOOKING GOOD FOR AS LONG AS HE DID......
ALL FOOD.
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Kids wont listen when you tell them to take a break from N.O Explode
I cant imagine they're any different when it comes to gear
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Kids wont listen when you tell them to take a break from N.O Explode
I cant imagine they're any different when it comes to gear
what is in that shit? If it is legal it can't be any good...can it?
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what is in that shit? If it is legal it can't be any good...can it?
its a stimulant with some creatine in it
gear would be healthier
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shit, wasn't expecting to hear from you again on this thread.
i supected you might have run some growth/igf 1 or something because you had that look that was beyond anything you had at the aussie shows.
to be honest with you, i still suspect. seen too many guys in pro sports jumping up and down swearing they never done this/that, even when the evidence is all there.
however, without any evidence to the contrary i will give you the benefit of the doubt and congratulate you for your candid response.
i would also like to apologise to you for accusing you of being a coward. for what it's worth, your credibility at walking your talk just went through the roof in my book. 8)
let me just eat my words now.
wasn't expecting that. i thought you would run and hide like everyone else
I TIRED GH IN 94 THEN 2000 AND DIDNT REALLY NOTICE MUCH I WAS ONLY TAKING 4IU ADAY...BUT FOR THE MONEY I FIGURED F U C K THAT SAND STUCK TO WINSTRL ALL THE TIME...I JUST DO WHAT I KNOW WORKS FOR ME
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pssst...Lee...see that button on your computer that says Caps Lock? Hit it.
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I TIRED GH IN 94 THEN 2000 AND DIDNT REALLY NOTICE MUCH I WAS ONLY TAKING 4IU ADAY...BUT FOR THE MONEY I FIGURED F U C K THAT SAND STUCK TO WINSTRL ALL THE TIME...I JUST DO WHAT I KNOW WORKS FOR ME
LEE PRIEST--GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE AND BEING SO OPEN ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE COME IN EVEN BIGGER IF YOU WERE TAKING THE DOSAGES OTHER PROS TAKE? EX. A FEW GRAMS OF TEST A WEEK? NOT TO SAY THAT YOU WERE NOT BIG ENOUGH BUT HOW DO YOU THINK YOUR BODY WOULD HAVE REACTED TO THAT?
ALSO, I ASKED IN ANOTHER THREAD, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T GET IT, BUT WHAT IS YOUR WEBSITE?
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98 EASY........CLENBUTEROL. ......WINSTROL EVERY 4TH DAY 100MGS.....ANADROL 50 1 ADAY THE LAST 5 WEKS................AND A LITTLE HALO LAST 3 WEEKS........
97 IRONMAN WHEN IGOT 2ND TO FLEX ALL I USED WAS WINSTROL AND CLEN AND A LITTLE T3 THAT WAS IT...THAT WAS ALL I USED IN AIUSTRALIA BEFORE A SHOW.......AS FOR MY TEST WHEN I COME OFF...IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO NORMAL....I HAVE BEEN OFF SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR I AM 250 FEEL GOOD HAD BLOOD WORK DONE LAST WEEK TEST LEVEL WAS 285.........I STARTED USING WHEN I WAS 19....SO I HAVE ONLY USED ON AND OFF FOR 16 YEARS........MORE OFF THEN ON........I HAVE NEEVR RELIED ON THEM ...DO THAT THEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE.........I HAVE BEEN COMPETING IN THE PRO SINCE 92.......AND STILL HERE.I HAVE SEEN ALOT COME AND GO........MYSELF RONNIE AND CHRIS ARE THE ONLY ONES FROM THE EARLY 90S AND VINCE NOW HE CAME BACK...I SEE ALL THESE SO CALLED NEW GUYS COMING UP WHO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE IN THERE 40S WHEN THEY AR ONLY IN THIER 20S........ITS ABOUT LONGEVITY....I GIVE SHAWN CREDIT FOR STAYING IN IT AND LOOKING GOOD FOR AS LONG AS HE DID......
PERHAPS I AM MISTAKEN LEE BUT I THINK SOME ONLINE INTERVIEWS WERE QUOTING YOU SAYING THAT YOU ONLY TOOK 2 CCS DECA + 2 CCS PRIMO EVERY WEEK PRECONTEST.
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PERHAPS I AM MISTAKEN LEE BUT I THINK SOME ONLINE INTERVIEWS WERE QUOTING YOU SAYING THAT YOU ONLY TOOK 2 CCS DECA + 2 CCS PRIMO EVERY WEEK PRECONTEST.
That's his OFFSEASON STACK...what a genetic freak!!
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That's his OFFSEASON STACK...what a genetic freak!!
NO I THINK I READ THAT HE WAS CLEAN IN THE OFFSEASON AND ONLY TOOK THAT STACK PRECONTEST, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION
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NO I THINK I READ THAT HE WAS CLEAN IN THE OFFSEASON AND ONLY TOOK THAT STACK PRECONTEST, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION
If you cut LEE'S vein open during the off season...CRISCO would run out. :P
ALL FOOD
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98 EASY........CLENBUTEROL. ......WINSTROL EVERY 4TH DAY 100MGS.....ANADROL 50 1 ADAY THE LAST 5 WEKS................AND A LITTLE HALO LAST 3 WEEKS........
97 IRONMAN WHEN IGOT 2ND TO FLEX ALL I USED WAS WINSTROL AND CLEN AND A LITTLE T3 THAT WAS IT...THAT WAS ALL I USED IN AIUSTRALIA BEFORE A SHOW.......AS FOR MY TEST WHEN I COME OFF...IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO NORMAL....I HAVE BEEN OFF SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR I AM 250 FEEL GOOD HAD BLOOD WORK DONE LAST WEEK TEST LEVEL WAS 285.........I STARTED USING WHEN I WAS 19....SO I HAVE ONLY USED ON AND OFF FOR 16 YEARS........MORE OFF THEN ON........I HAVE NEEVR RELIED ON THEM ...DO THAT THEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE.........I HAVE BEEN COMPETING IN THE PRO SINCE 92.......AND STILL HERE.I HAVE SEEN ALOT COME AND GO........MYSELF RONNIE AND CHRIS ARE THE ONLY ONES FROM THE EARLY 90S AND VINCE NOW HE CAME BACK...I SEE ALL THESE SO CALLED NEW GUYS COMING UP WHO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE IN THERE 40S WHEN THEY AR ONLY IN THIER 20S........ITS ABOUT LONGEVITY....I GIVE SHAWN CREDIT FOR STAYING IN IT AND LOOKING GOOD FOR AS LONG AS HE DID......
How do you explain the positive drug test when you were 18?
Of course, I feel Lee conveniently leaves out a few things here and there. Here it seems all he does steroid wise is some 17AA drugs, so basically this is an "all oral cycle". No GH since '94. Please, LOL. No test ever. Funny how in his T-mag interview he said he was shooting suspension as well for the NOC.
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How do you explain the positive drug test when you were 18?
Of course, I feel Lee conveniently leaves out a few things here and there. Here it seems all he does steroid wise is some 17AA drugs, so basically this is an "all oral cycle". No GH since '94. Please, LOL. No test ever. Funny how in his T-mag interview he said he was shooting suspension as well for the NOC.
Androstene and DHEA ::)
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How do you explain the positive drug test when you were 18?
Of course, I feel Lee conveniently leaves out a few things here and there. Here it seems all he does steroid wise is some 17AA drugs, so basically this is an "all oral cycle". No GH since '94. Please, LOL. No test ever. Funny how in his T-mag interview he said he was shooting suspension as well for the NOC.
Test is found naturally in your body,therefore you can use as much as you want and still say you're natural. :)
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How do you explain the positive drug test when you were 18?
Of course, I feel Lee conveniently leaves out a few things here and there. Here it seems all he does steroid wise is some 17AA drugs, so basically this is an "all oral cycle". No GH since '94. Please, LOL. No test ever. Funny how in his T-mag interview he said he was shooting suspension as well for the NOC.
well, this is exactly my point earlier.
athletes (not just bbers) WILL swear black and blue on their kid's and mother's lives that don't take this/that, even when the evidence contradicts.
they are so convincing that, from what i've seen, i just suspect EVERYONE'S on the best shit, because if they're good enough to suspect, 99.99999999999999% they are (i'm allowing that 0.0000000000001% in case jesus christ decides to come back as an athlete)
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well, this is exactly my point earlier.
athletes (not just bbers) WILL swear black and blue on their kid's and mother's lives that don't take this/that, even when the evidence contradicts.
they are so convincing that, from what i've seen, i just suspect EVERYONE'S on the best shit, because if they're good enough to suspect, 99.99999999999999% they are (i'm allowing that 0.0000000000001% in case jesus christ decides to come back as an athlete)
I think athletes like Lee, and Milos in previous threads, are trying to make a point. The point being that drugs alone wont make you a champion. Which is true. However, for someone like Lee only taking some Winstrol every 4 days preparing for a pro show, in which he looked amazing and placed very high, is not quite the whole truth. The amazing vascularity and red skin which Lee has sported in many precontest pics is not just from a tiny bit of Winstrol IMHO. He swears he started using at 19 but failed a drug test for Deca at 18. I'd like to see him explain that.
Milos has admittedly done some crazy stuff drug wise (Synthol, IV bags with plasma expanders, ODing on transdermal thyroid, heavy insulin experimentation etc) but now we are to believe he, and all his athletes, used tiny doses and were off most of the time.
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good point ,but how many smart bber's are their?
Eye belive thier r meny smat bb'eeer''''ss ouut thire.
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I think athletes like Lee, and Milos in previous threads, are trying to make a point. The point being that drugs alone wont make you a champion. Which is true. However, for someone like Lee only taking some Winstrol every 4 days preparing for a pro show, in which he looked amazing and placed very high, is not quite the whole truth. The amazing vascularity and red skin which Lee has sported in many precontest pics is not just from a tiny bit of Winstrol IMHO. He swears he started using at 19 but failed a drug test for Deca at 18. I'd like to see him explain that.
Milos has admittedly done some crazy stuff drug wise (Synthol, IV bags with plasma expanders, ODing on transdermal thyroid, heavy insulin experimentation etc) but now we are to believe he, and all his athletes, used tiny doses and were off most of the time.
EXACTLY
they are so convincing that i think they convince themselves.
when milos was competing he would have been the last person i would have suspected of synthol, etc (mr symmetry and proportion.
there are no saints in the pro sports world inspite of what people would like to believe.
pro athletes and entertainers (hollywood, etc) often get painted as heroes, but what's so heroic about being so self absorbed?
i do give lee credit though. most bbers wouldn't even touch the subject.
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I think athletes like Lee, and Milos in previous threads, are trying to make a point. The point being that drugs alone wont make you a champion. Which is true. However, for someone like Lee only taking some Winstrol every 4 days preparing for a pro show, in which he looked amazing and placed very high, is not quite the whole truth. The amazing vascularity and red skin which Lee has sported in many precontest pics is not just from a tiny bit of Winstrol IMHO. He swears he started using at 19 but failed a drug test for Deca at 18. I'd like to see him explain that.
Milos has admittedly done some crazy stuff drug wise (Synthol, IV bags with plasma expanders, ODing on transdermal thyroid, heavy insulin experimentation etc) but now we are to believe he, and all his athletes, used tiny doses and were off most of the time.
NO I WOULD LIKE FOR THE AMERICAN DOCTOR WHO DID THE TEST TO EXPLAIN IT..(DR BOB GOLDMAN).......I HAD 2 DRUG TEST FROM THE AUSTRALIAN INSTIUTE OF SPORT BEFORE I WENT TO POLAND BOTH NEGATIVE....WHICH I KNEW THEY WOULD BE AS I WAS CLEAN(IF I WASNT DO YOU THINK I WOULD STILL BE A LIGHT WIEGHT)???? GO TO POLAND...DO DRUG TEST THURSDAY...FRIDAY IF THE MEETING OF ALL COUNTRIES AND THEY ARE TOLD WHO DIDNT PASS.......I WAS OK.......KNEW I WOULD BE.....WENT TO SHOW ON SATURDAY DID PRE JUDGING.....AFTER PRE JUDGING EVERYONE WAS SAYING I WON IT EASY.....PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES CAME TO ME SAYING THIER JUDGE HAD ME FIRST............COME NIGHT SHOW JUST ABOUT TO GO ON FOR POSING ROUTINE I WAS PULLED ASIDE AND TOLD THEN I WAS POSITIVE(BULLSHIT I SAID) WENT BACK TO HOTEL GOT DRESSED AND RETURNED TO SHOW THE OTHER COMPETITIORS COUNLDNT BELIEVE IT......JOSE GUZMAN THE AMERICAN WON AS HE WAS RETIRING THAT YEAR.....AT THE HOTEL AFTER SHOW ABOUT 12 COUNTIRES CAME TO MY ROOM AND GAVE ME THIER TRACKS SUITS AND GIFTS AS THEY KNEW I WAS SCREWED........GET BACK TO AUSTRALIA MY MOTHER CALLS THE AUSTRALIAN INSTITUTE OF SPORT AND TELLS THEM WHAT HAPPENDED THEY SAID IMPOSSIBLE AS WOULD TEST ME AGAIN $370 MY MOTHER WAS GOING TO PAY FOR......BEING A MEMBER OF THE IFBB I NEED PERMISSION FROM MY SPORTING BODY TO HAVE IT DONE....THE IFBB SAID NO................
SO THERE IS YOUR STORY.........AFTER THAT I WAS DEPRESSED FOR NEARLY A YEAR KNOWING I SHOULD HAVE WON AND HAD MY PRO CARD THEN.......I GOT SO BAD I CUT MY WRISTS.....BUT MY MOTHER HELPED AND I PULLED MYSELF TOGETHER...I FEEL SORRY FOR ANY INNOCENT PERSON WHO IS FASLEY CONVICTED IT IS A SHITTY FEELING KNOWING YOU DID NOTHING WRONG YET YOU GET PUNISHED..HEY IF I USED AND GOT CAUGHT I WOULD SAY HEY FUCK IT YOU CAUGHT ME .BUT I COULDNT....SO AT 19 I USED DECA FOR THE FIRST TIME AND PUT ON 20 POUNDS AND NEVR DID LIGHTWIEGHT AGAIN AND THEN THE REST IS HISTORY I CAME TO AMERICA..........HOPE THAT HELPS YOU............
LEE
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what a mess...
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How do you explain the positive drug test when you were 18?
Of course, I feel Lee conveniently leaves out a few things here and there. Here it seems all he does steroid wise is some 17AA drugs, so basically this is an "all oral cycle". No GH since '94. Please, LOL. No test ever. Funny how in his T-mag interview he said he was shooting suspension as well for the NOC.
WHEN I SAY NO TEST I MEAN CYP OR 250.......YES I HAVE USED SUSPENSION BEFORE A SHOW....I DONT LEAVE THINGS OUT...I MIGHT FORGET OVER THE YEARS AS I HAVE DONE MANY SHOWS....BUT LIKE YOU SAID YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT OLD INTERVIEWS AT THE TIME....I NEVER HID WHAT I USED........AS FOR THE GH....I HAVE NO REASON TO HIDE WHAT I USE...LIKE I HAVE SAID WHY WOULD I CARE IF YOU KNOW WHAT I TAKE ...I COULDNT CARE LESS........WHEN CATHY MEET ME I WAS GETTING READY FOR THE NOC....HER WORDS WERE I KNOW WOMEN WHO USE MORE THEN YOU.......SO LIKE I SAID I DONT CARE IF YOU KNOW WHAT I TAKE NO BIG SECRET TO ME......WHY DO YOU THINK I WOULD HIDE IT.....MEANS NOTHING TO ME YOU ASK I WILL TELL YOU......ITS NOT LIKE A KFC AND I HAVE TO HIDE THE SECRET......AS THERE IS NONE
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then share with us lee your precontest "schedule"
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NO I WOULD LIKE FOR THE AMERICAN DOCTOR WHO DID THE TEST TO EXPLAIN IT..(DR BOB GOLDMAN).......I HAD 2 DRUG TEST FROM THE AUSTRALIAN INSTIUTE OF SPORT BEFORE I WENT TO POLAND BOTH NEGATIVE....WHICH I KNEW THEY WOULD BE AS I WAS CLEAN(IF I WASNT DO YOU THINK I WOULD STILL BE A LIGHT WIEGHT)???? GO TO POLAND...DO DRUG TEST THURSDAY...FRIDAY IF THE MEETING OF ALL COUNTRIES AND THEY ARE TOLD WHO DIDNT PASS.......I WAS OK.......KNEW I WOULD BE.....WENT TO SHOW ON SATURDAY DID PRE JUDGING.....AFTER PRE JUDGING EVERYONE WAS SAYING I WON IT EASY.....PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES CAME TO ME SAYING THIER JUDGE HAD ME FIRST............COME NIGHT SHOW JUST ABOUT TO GO ON FOR POSING ROUTINE I WAS PULLED ASIDE AND TOLD THEN I WAS POSITIVE(BULLSHIT I SAID) WENT BACK TO HOTEL GOT DRESSED AND RETURNED TO SHOW THE OTHER COMPETITIORS COUNLDNT BELIEVE IT......JOSE GUZMAN THE AMERICAN WON AS HE WAS RETIRING THAT YEAR.....AT THE HOTEL AFTER SHOW ABOUT 12 COUNTIRES CAME TO MY ROOM AND GAVE ME THIER TRACKS SUITS AND GIFTS AS THEY KNEW I WAS SCREWED........GET BACK TO AUSTRALIA MY MOTHER CALLS THE AUSTRALIAN INSTITUTE OF SPORT AND TELLS THEM WHAT HAPPENDED THEY SAID IMPOSSIBLE AS WOULD TEST ME AGAIN $370 MY MOTHER WAS GOING TO PAY FOR......BEING A MEMBER OF THE IFBB I NEED PERMISSION FROM MY SPORTING BODY TO HAVE IT DONE....THE IFBB SAID NO................
SO THERE IS YOUR STORY.........AFTER THAT I WAS DEPRESSED FOR NEARLY A YEAR KNOWING I SHOULD HAVE WON AND HAD MY PRO CARD THEN.......I GOT SO BAD I CUT MY WRISTS.....BUT MY MOTHER HELPED AND I PULLED MYSELF TOGETHER...I FEEL SORRY FOR ANY INNOCENT PERSON WHO IS FASLEY CONVICTED IT IS A SHITTY FEELING KNOWING YOU DID NOTHING WRONG YET YOU GET PUNISHED..HEY IF I USED AND GOT CAUGHT I WOULD SAY HEY FUCK IT YOU CAUGHT ME .BUT I COULDNT....SO AT 19 I USED DECA FOR THE FIRST TIME AND PUT ON 20 POUNDS AND NEVR DID LIGHTWIEGHT AGAIN AND THEN THE REST IS HISTORY I CAME TO AMERICA..........HOPE THAT HELPS YOU............
LEE
Lee is that your humour or did you really cut your wrists?
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one thing i've heard that some peoples off is just using DECA while others is just using clen, hgh, and others alike
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IFBB Pro Chuck Sanow is like that. I see him one day and he looks like a normal guy who's fit or maybe "works out" a little.
Then I see him a 3 weeks later and he looks freaky ripped and amazing.
MOST top amateurs never take off. I spoke to very recently a guy doing JRNats as a heavyweight and he told me how he hasn't come OFF in about 2 years. After his AAS cycles he used the ancillary drugs to bring him back to base levels then he got on GH and a little bit of slin(post-workout only) for his OFFSEASON.
He doesn't intend on ever going off to be honest.
I also speak to local guys who might take about 2-4 weeks OFF completely. Otherwise...their 'bridgers' are usually TESt-E at 250mg/week with 20mg of dbol daily w/ 2-4iu's of gh daily.
Sad but very true.
I am not calling you a liar, but I find it hard to believe thatr anyone would openly discuss their steriod cycle. I have known several bodybuilders who are obviousely on, and not only has the conversation never gone towards steriods I would never dream of just saying "so hay, what kind of cycle you on there big guy". Personally I like what Titus said about steriods, only if let me fuck your wife will i tell you my cycle.
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I am not calling you a liar, but I find it hard to believe thatr anyone would openly discuss their steriod cycle. I have known several bodybuilders who are obviousely on, and not only has the conversation never gone towards steriods I would never dream of just saying "so hay, what kind of cycle you on there big guy". Personally I like what Titus said about steriods, only if let me fuck your wife will i tell you my cycle.
Lee Priest in my book is one of the absolute best IFBB pros (well, former pros I guess ::) )
Look at any interview Lee has done, he is all about the fans.
He did the Tom Platz video and openly discussed his steroid use, he has openly admitted he use on here. Unlike other pros, Lee has balls and wants people to know the truth. You have to commend him for that.
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Lee Priest in my book is one of the absolute best IFBB pros (well, former pros I guess ::) )
Look at any interview Lee has done, he is all about the fans.
He did the Tom Platz video and openly discussed his steroid use, he has openly admitted he use on here. Unlike other pros, Lee has balls and wants people to know the truth. You have to commend him for that.
Agreed. Plus he drag races so that makes him double cool in my book. :)
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Lee is that your humour or did you really cut your wrists?
NO I REALLY CUT THEM.......OR ONE OF THEM GOT HALF WAY WITH THE OTHER AND THOUGHT WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING ....WENT TO HOSPITAL....
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NO I REALLY CUT THEM.......OR ONE OF THEM GOT HALF WAY WITH THE OTHER AND THOUGHT WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING ....WENT TO HOSPITAL....
was it all because of the contest result or were there other influential factors.
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was it all because of the contest result or were there other influential factors.
NO IWAS LIVING IN BACK OF GYM......WORKING THERE MONEY WAS LOW.....I WOULD CLEAN GYM...TRAIN....THEN TRAIN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE...THEN AT NIGHT CLEAN FACTORIES....AND JUST ONEDAY I WAS DEPRESSED EATING BAKED BEANS OUT OF THE CAN AND SAID FUCK IT....AND DID IT.......YES IT WAS FROM THE RESULTS CAUSE I KNEW I DIDNT TAKE ANYTHING SO IT JUST FELT SO SHITTY BEING ACCUSED OF IT WHEN I HADNT DONE IT......BUT HEY THATS ALL OVER WITH NOW.......YOU LIVE AND LEARN..........MMMMM WELL MAYBE NOT LEARN I AM STILL BODYBUILDING :) ;D
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NO IWAS LIVING IN BACK OF GYM......WORKING THERE MONEY WAS LOW.....I WOULD CLEAN GYM...TRAIN....THEN TRAIN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE...THEN AT NIGHT CLEAN FACTORIES....AND JUST ONEDAY I WAS DEPRESSED EATING BAKED BEANS OUT OF THE CAN AND SAID FUCK IT....AND DID IT.......YES IT WAS FROM THE RESULTS CAUSE I KNEW I DIDNT TAKE ANYTHING SO IT JUST FELT SO SHITTY BEING ACCUSED OF IT WHEN I HADNT DONE IT......BUT HEY THATS ALL OVER WITH NOW.......YOU LIVE AND LEARN..........MMMMM WELL MAYBE NOT LEARN I AM STILL BODYBUILDING :) ;D
nah, it's good to hear you're still bbing man.
there is a lot of negativity in bbing (accusations, stereotypes, media, jealousy,etc) but at the end of the day you know you were born to do it. :)
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Lee, did you ever try insulin or have you always steered away from that?
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NO IWAS LIVING IN BACK OF GYM......WORKING THERE MONEY WAS LOW.....I WOULD CLEAN GYM...TRAIN....THEN TRAIN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE...THEN AT NIGHT CLEAN FACTORIES....AND JUST ONEDAY I WAS DEPRESSED EATING BAKED BEANS OUT OF THE CAN AND SAID FUCK IT....AND DID IT.......YES IT WAS FROM THE RESULTS CAUSE I KNEW I DIDNT TAKE ANYTHING SO IT JUST FELT SO SHITTY BEING ACCUSED OF IT WHEN I HADNT DONE IT......BUT HEY THATS ALL OVER WITH NOW.......YOU LIVE AND LEARN..........MMMMM WELL MAYBE NOT LEARN I AM STILL BODYBUILDING :) ;D
You always impress me with your hyper honesty.
I believe what you are saying.
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I wonder if Milos, Shawn or even Bob will come on and be so open and honest as Lee has been??
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I wonder if Milos, Shawn or even Bob will come on and be so open and honest as Lee has been??
Dont even ask!!
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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NO I REALLY CUT THEM.......OR ONE OF THEM GOT HALF WAY WITH THE OTHER AND THOUGHT WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING ....WENT TO HOSPITAL....
You live your life very intense bro... You live...........
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Lee, did you ever try insulin or have you always steered away from that?
NO I NEVER HAVE....NEVER FELT LIKE I WANTED TO......MAYBE WHY I STILL HAVE A SMALL WAIST
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NO I NEVER HAVE....NEVER FELT LIKE I WANTED TO......MAYBE WHY I STILL HAVE A SMALL WAIST
man, so when you were a fat ass bulked up at 240 that was all eating ???
kfc would be so proud. :'(
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Lee Priest in my book is one of the absolute best IFBB pros (well, former pros I guess ::) )
Look at any interview Lee has done, he is all about the fans.
He did the Tom Platz video and openly discussed his steroid use, he has openly admitted he use on here. Unlike other pros, Lee has balls and wants people to know the truth. You have to commend him for that.
Absolutely commend him for that, but other than Lee how many bodybuilders openly discuss their cycle with either fans or fellow gym members.
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man, so when you were a fat ass bulked up at 240 that was all eating ???
kfc would be so proud. :'(
AND MACDONALDS ..KRISPY KREME...ICE CEAM.....AND ALOT OF OTHER CRAP :) BUT IT TASTE GOOD.
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AND MACDONALDS ..KRISPY KREME...ICE CEAM.....AND ALOT OF OTHER CRAP :) BUT IT TASTE GOOD.
how many calories do you think you eat in the offseason, and then to diet?
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how many calories do you think you eat in the offseason, and then to diet?
OFFSEASON NO IDEA....CONTEST 4,000-4,500
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OFFSEASON NO IDEA....CONTEST 4,000-4,500
Jeez - that sounds pretty high for pre-contest Lee? Presuming your carbs have to be reduced alot, where do the 4500 cals come from?
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OFFSEASON NO IDEA....CONTEST 4,000-4,500
very interesting. And you only use winstrol for dieting you say? The calories seem high even at your size.
I'm interested in knowing what types of food you eat, if you can summarize that.
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OFFSEASON NO IDEA....CONTEST 4,000-4,500
Lee, was it not tempting to take more gear, like 2 grams a week or more for 9 months of the year or so, if you knew that only taking winstrol and primo for a few months a year still got you to top 6 at the Mr. O. If you could place so high on such little gear, I don't see how you would not be tempted to take as much gear as your competitors to see if you could place even higher. I think this is why most people don't believe what you claim about your intake. Why don't you address this?
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OFFSEASON NO IDEA....CONTEST 4,000-4,500
So about 20 calories per lb bodyweight during precontest?
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This idea that the more Gear you take the better you place is ridiculous and no scientifically base. The responce to 750mg of Test is almost identical to 3000g. The only difference is the increase in side effects and a Dramatic decrease of competitive years. This is evedint in the majority of drugs. If your pain has not gone away with 4 aspirins taking 15 is not going to be beneficial -Saturation effect.
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This idea that the more Gear you take the better you place is ridiculous and no scientifically base. The responce to 750mg of Test is almost identical to 3000g. The only difference is the increase in side effects and a Dramatic decrease of competitive years. This is evedint in the majority of drugs. If your pain has not gone away with 4 aspirins taking 15 is not going to be beneficial -Saturation effect.
I didn't say the more gear you take the better, otherwise I would have asked Lee why he wasn't taking 10grams a week. However, it is true that the more gear the better the results to an extent. Are you saying that anything over winstrol once every four days won't affect results??
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I didn't say the more gear you take the better, otherwise I would have asked Lee why he wasn't taking 10grams a week. However, it is true that the more gear the better the results to an extent. Are you saying that anything over winstrol once every four days won't affect results??
Muscular development does Not exponentially increase with the increase of anabolics. If any thing your results decrease after the exalting of the receptors. By forcing your internal organs you will start to have a hard time keeping muscle and your ability to lean out will be seriously affected. The increase of a Pro Anabolic Protocol will result in minimal Muscular results.
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This idea that the more Gear you take the better you place is ridiculous and no scientifically base. The responce to 750mg of Test is almost identical to 3000g. The only difference is the increase in side effects and a Dramatic decrease of competitive years. This is evedint in the majority of drugs. If your pain has not gone away with 4 aspirins taking 15 is not going to be beneficial -Saturation effect.
Right ...
GH15 ?
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Muscular development does Not exponentially increase with the increase of anabolics. If any thing your results decrease after the exalting of the receptors. By forcing your internal organs you will start to have a hard time keeping muscle and your ability to lean out will be seriously affected. The increase of a Pro Anabolic Protocol will result in minimal Muscular results.
You're just repeating yourself again. I don't know why you're having difficulty understanding what I'm saying. I KNOW THAT MUSCLE GAINS DO NOT EXPONENTIALLY INCREASE WITH THE INCREASE IN ANABOLICS. However, it is FALSE to suggest that there would be NO increase in potential muscle size from taking anything above winstrol once every four days.
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Anadrol 50 for 5 weeks, 3 weeks of Halo Test, Clen, Win every 4weeks. I am sure some form of anti-estrogen was added. Well as you can see is not only Win every 4 days. Anadrol 50 is known to be one of the strongest Ster. out there.
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Anadrol 50 for 5 weeks, 3 weeks of Halo Test, Clen, Win every 4weeks. I am sure some form of anti-estrogen was added. Well as you can see is not only Win every 4 days. Anadrol 50 is known to be one of the strongest Ster. out there.
Okay, my bad, I must have missed the part about Anadrol 50..I just remembering reading only winstrol, or only primo and deca.
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So about 20 calories per lb bodyweight during precontest?
Yea it seems high. People eat that much to gain.
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Yea it seems high. People eat that much to gain.
But this is Lee Priest and even though he took no gear in the offseason he still maintained all his size through the offseason!
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lees a little guy with a small frame, with lots of cells, why would he need to take much more than that. And i believe he doesnt take much off season, his contest weight hasnt really increased much over the years, so why would he need off season cycles, if you need to increase your contest bodyweight you need to do off season stuff, guys like him Taylor and Ray i have no doubts onlu use pre contest, its the guys who put 10 pounds on every year that use year round, or whos ego make them walk around in shape all year.
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Yea it seems high. People eat that much to gain.
It's all about using a RELATIVE deficit... if Lee eats 6000-8 000kcals/day during the off-season (which I'm sure he does, or at least close to it with all the stuff he eats) then going down to 4500kcals of clean food constitutes a caloric deficit (and quite a large one). When he first starts to eat 6 - 8K/day with a lot of junk his body probably adds a lot of fat at first, but eventually it adjusts to this level and his fat gain stabilizes (or at least becomes VERY slow). So there comes a point where the 6-8K that caused a lot of fat gain becomes almost his maintenance level. If he drops 2000-3000 calories per day and switch to an all clean food diet, I have no problem believing that he will lose fat because it constitutes a deficit compared to what his body is used to.
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very interesting. And you only use winstrol for dieting you say? The calories seem high even at your size.
I'm interested in knowing what types of food you eat, if you can summarize that.
i think i remember Lee saying that he does A LOT of cardio pre contest as well.
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i think i remember Lee saying that he does A LOT of cardio pre contest as well.
YES I DO 2-3 HOURS ADAY BEFORE A CONTEST 7 DAYS A WEEK........AND AS FOR NOT TRYING GOING MORE I DID ONCE ALONG TIME AGO I WENT TO 800MG OF TEST AND OTHER STUFF......AND FELT LIKE SHIT SO I NEVER WENT HIGH DOSAGES AGIN...NO NEED...PLUS I DONT NEED A STUPID TROPHY OR CONTEST WIN TO FEEL WORTH SOMETHING......MORE TO LIFE THEN THAT....
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YES I DO 2-3 HOURS ADAY BEFORE A CONTEST 7 DAYS A WEEK........AND AS FOR NOT TRYING GOING MORE I DID ONCE ALONG TIME AGO I WENT TO 8800MG OF TEST AND OTHER STUFF......AND FELT LIKE SHIT SO I NEVER WENT HIGH DOSAGES AGIN...NO NEED...PLUS I DONT NEED A STUPID TROPHY OR CONTEST WIN TO FEEL WORTH SOMETHING......MORE TO LIFE THEN THAT....
yeah that 2-3 hours of cardio probably burns an extra 700-800 calories at least but whoa whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did you say 8800 mg. of juice per week? holy shit. :o
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This idea that the more Gear you take the better you place is ridiculous and no scientifically base. The responce to 750mg of Test is almost identical to 3000g. The only difference is the increase in side effects and a Dramatic decrease of competitive years. This is evedint in the majority of drugs. If your pain has not gone away with 4 aspirins taking 15 is not going to be beneficial -Saturation effect.
Post your prefered cycles.
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that's a lot of cardio, and now that 4000-4500 calories makes sense to me.
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Muscular development does Not exponentially increase with the increase of anabolics. If any thing your results decrease after the exalting of the receptors. By forcing your internal organs you will start to have a hard time keeping muscle and your ability to lean out will be seriously affected. The increase of a Pro Anabolic Protocol will result in minimal Muscular results.
Are you retarded? Exponential growth is the same as increased returns to scale, which means that twice the amount of anabolics will yield more than twice the amount of results. Given the example you tried to examplify, you can not say "exponential growth" dumbass.
Even though the marginal results from anabolics diminishes after a certain "top average results per milligram of juice" amount, there will still be more total results to get, even though you'll get decreasing returns to scale/diminishing marginal results.
To put it simply, juice gives you this equilibrium:
A certain amounts of juice = a certain amounts of muscle
Once you've gotten everything possible out of a certain amount of juice, no extra results can be obtained without increasing the dose.
Increase the amount of juice, and you will get more muscle, even though the marginal benefits from the marginal amounts of juice will diminish once the "top average results from juice" amount is surpassed.
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yeah that 2-3 hours of cardio probably burns an extra 700-800 calories at least but whoa whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did you say 8800 mg. of juice per week? holy shit. :o
sorry no i meant 800mgs...i might be crazy but i ain't that crazy
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Are you retarded? Exponential growth is the same as increased returns to scale, which means that twice the amount of anabolics will yield more than twice the amount of results. Given the example you tried to examplify, you can not say "exponential growth" dumbass.
Even though the marginal results from anabolics diminishes after a certain "top average results per milligram of juice" amount, there will still be more total results to get, even though you'll get decreasing returns to scale/diminishing marginal results.
To put it simply, juice gives you this equilibrium:
A certain amounts of juice = a certain amounts of muscle
Once you've gotten everything possible out of a certain amount of juice, no extra results can be obtained without increasing the dose.
Increase the amount of juice, and you will get more muscle, even though the marginal benefits from the marginal amounts of juice will diminish once the "top average results from juice" amount is surpassed.
It is extremely difficult to discuss with someone with such a low level of education and ignorance, but I will attempt.
1- Once the receptor levels are exhaust no convertian is any longer possible, results at the point are insignificant.
2-When you say " increase the amount of juice , and you will get more muscle" shows your complete ignorance and lack of understanding in BB. Please do not discuss a subject you are totally ignorant about it.
3-Please go to the sex forum other board that is more comparable to your level of intelligence
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It is extremely difficult to discuss with someone with such a low level of education and ignorance, but I will attempt.
1- Once the receptor levels are exhaust no convertian is any longer possible, results at the point are insignificant.
2-When you say " increase the amount of juice , and you will get more muscle" shows your complete ignorance and lack of understanding in BB. Please do not discuss a subject you are totally ignorant about it.
3-Please go to the sex forum other board that is more comparable to your level of intelligence
1: How can you claim that you are educated, when you clearly show that you can not comprehend high school mathematics? ;D THAT is by definition being a fucking retard. `Did you drop out of high school?
2: You only bring subjective views to the discussion, and label them as "proof" of the other debatant being ignorant. This by definition is not logic, and you have proven yourself to lack the necessary mental abilities to debate rationally.
3: You have not given any substance for your arguments, except "you know nothing about BB". What you are saying is that if you BELIEVE in science, then you do not know anything about BB, which in other words means that you say "science has nothing to do with BB", which tells DEbussey that you are even dumber than DEbussey thought.
According to you, 750 mg of juice would give the same effect as 3 grams would, even though mathematical laws would dictate a marginal effect from the 2,25 extra grams, simply because it is backed up by anecdotal evidence, and because you can not claim 100% receptor saturation with 750 mgs. Claiming NO MARGINAL BENEFIT from 400% of the original dosage = stupidity. PS: Insignificant does not mean "lack of marginal benefit"
Unless you have done a controlled study with different amounts of steroids, your "saturation" argument is nothing but a BB fairy tale, and when used on the 400% dose example you used: Pure and utter stupidity.
Can you verify your claim?
If so, you must also back up your anecdotal evidence with other BB's experiences. By your words, this means that the Mr.O contendants also use small amounts, yet do they?
So far, DEbussey has proven that:
- You can not comprehend high school mathematics
- You claim scientific laws has no meaning (this is directly implicated by your argumentation, thus, you are in reality claiming it)
- Your WEAK argument about "receptor saturation" has not been backed up.
- You try to argument with your "experience", which so far has proven that you suck.
- You claim that the JUICE EQUILIBRIUM = BS. Prove it (because you can't, not with the amounts you wrote about..)
Good luck bringing something useful to this discussion, so far you have lost, because of your stupidity.
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Evil angel makes more sense. If the gas tank in your car holds 12 gallons, then putting 20 gallons in, will only make your shoes wet, and smell of gas.
Some guys probably need more gear to overcome their poor genetics and lack of fast twitch fibers.
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Evil angel makes more sense. If the gas tank in your car holds 12 gallons, then putting 20 gallons in, will only make your shoes wet, and smell of gas.
Some guys probably need more gear to overcome their poor genetics and lack of fast twitch fibers.
No, he does not, because his claim of the size of the gas tank = wrong. If he had used a lot higher doses in his example, then yes, he might be onto something.
At the same time, show Debussey ONE study that claims the body can be "saturated" with the ease that EA claims. If no such evidence is shown, all he has is the subjective consensus of a stupid legion of bodybuilders.
The saturation point would of course be when marginal increase in dose drags the total benefit down, yet, when this point occurs can not be found with ease, yet "EA" claims it as a truth that is so strong that it makes other people "stupid". His original claim was that X and 4X the dose would give approx equal results for most people, when X = 750 mg ::)
400 mg roids can support X amounts of muscle.
2 grams of roids can support more than X amounts of muscle, and the increase in X can not be called "insignificant".
Thus, we have a "juice equilibrium" between the amount of exogenous hormones and the amount of achieveable musclemass.
Thus, his principle MIGHT be right, yet he:
- Fail to use any rational proof to back it up.
- Fail at even the simplest logic.
- Use anecdotal evidence that contradicts what his mentors claim (including Milos).
Thus, there is a marginal benefit from increasing the dosage (even though it is diminishing after a certain dose), and thus, "EvilAngel" = wrong.
In other words, EvilAngel might have the right key to his home, yet he uses it on the neighbors door, and can not get into the winning zone.
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1: How can you claim that you are educated, when you clearly show that you can not comprehend high school mathematics? ;D THAT is by definition being a fucking retard. `Did you drop out of high school?
2: You only bring subjective views to the discussion, and label them as "proof" of the other debatant being ignorant. This by definition is not logic, and you have proven yourself to lack the necessary mental abilities to debate rationally.
3: You have not given any substance for your arguments, except "you know nothing about BB". What you are saying is that if you BELIEVE in science, then you do not know anything about BB, which in other words means that you say "science has nothing to do with BB", which tells DEbussey that you are even dumber than DEbussey thought.
According to you, 750 mg of juice would give the same effect as 3 grams would, even though mathematical laws would dictate a marginal effect from the 2,25 extra grams, simply because it is backed up by anecdotal evidence, and because you can not claim 100% receptor saturation with 750 mgs. Claiming NO MARGINAL BENEFIT from 400% of the original dosage = stupidity. PS: Insignificant does not mean "lack of marginal benefit"
Unless you have done a controlled study with different amounts of steroids, your "saturation" argument is nothing but a BB fairy tale, and when used on the 400% dose example you used: Pure and utter stupidity.
Can you verify your claim?
If so, you must also back up your anecdotal evidence with other BB's experiences. By your words, this means that the Mr.O contendants also use small amounts, yet do they?
So far, DEbussey has proven that:
- You can not comprehend high school mathematics
- You claim scientific laws has no meaning (this is directly implicated by your argumentation, thus, you are in reality claiming it)
- Your WEAK argument about "receptor saturation" has not been backed up.
- You try to argument with your "experience", which so far has proven that you suck.
- You claim that the JUICE EQUILIBRIUM = BS. Prove it (because you can't, not with the amounts you wrote about..)
Good luck bringing something useful to this discussion, so far you have lost, because of your stupidity.
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Debussey,
You have convience all of us. We should use as much Steroids as possible to gain more muscle. ::)
The increase of Steroids after reaching receptors exaltion no only will not yield additional results will be detrimental to muscle gain. Cold symptoms, inflammation and deterioration of internal organs function directly impare protein synthesis.
The increase of ANY,ANY drug dosages does not increase the drugs effects. This is Medical Fact. Base on your statements Doctors should prescribe as much as the person possibly consume.
The examples in science are evident. Vitamin A, K, Iron...taking in excess could case severe damage. And again this are just Vitamins...Water could kill in excess. Your level of ignorance is absurd to say the least.
Steroids like any other Drug will assist the increase of muscle mass until a point, like state before Its excess not only will stop assisting the increase of muscle mass, It will be detrimental to it.
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Debussey,
You have convience all of us. We should use as much Steroids as possible to gain more muscle. ::)
The increase of Steroids after reaching receptors exaltion no only will not yield additional results will be detrimental to muscle gain. Cold symptoms, inflammation and deterioration of internal organs function directly impare protein synthesis.
The increase of ANY,ANY drug dosages does not increase the drugs effects. This is Medical Fact. Base on your statements Doctors should prescribe as much as the person possibly consume.
The examples in science are evident. Vitamin A, K, Iron...taking in excess could case severe damage. And again this are just Vitamins...Water could kill in excess. Your level of ignorance is absurd to say the least.
Steroids like any other Drug will assist the increase of muscle mass until a point, like state before Its excess not only will stop assisting the increase of muscle mass, It will be detrimental to it.
You are making wrong assumptions because you can not comprehend what DEbussey wrote.
1: Diminishing marginal results means that the results from more roids is there, but it will diminish and eventually bring the total results down.
-> Yet you still claim that DEbussey say: "more is always better". Do you have reading problems or something? Debussey say 1, and you read it as 2 ::)
2: What Debussey wrote was that your statement about "insignificant" results between 750 and 3000 mg were wrong, very wrong.
-> If you could actually READ and UNDERSTAND before you gave an answer, you would see that what Debussey wrote was this: 750 mg might give you 100 units of new muscle, while 3000 mg might give you 150 or 200 units of new muscle. Do you see? The marginal benefit = decreasing, but the difference between 100 and 150 or 200 = not insignificant.
3: Debussey never claimed that more = just as safe, this is an assumption you make. Have you ever learnt that if you read 2 + 2 = 4, does not mean that you also can claim you read 10+9 = 19? ::)
Debussey can agree with you on many of the things you are writing, yet, when you answer 5 to the question 1 + 2 = ?, then you gotta understand, that even though 5 is the correct answer to something, it is not the answer being asked for.
You debate with a psychology curriculum, when the topic of the day is physics. ;D
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This is the new "Hulkster Im calling for a truce" thread. :D
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This is the new "Hulkster Im calling for a truce" thread. :D
No, this is trying to teach a dog things most 15 year olds can comprehend.
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The alteration of the bodies natural balance is extremely complicated. Changing the body's equation must be simplified to identify results. Excess use of Drugs is one of the biggest misconceptions in BB fans. As Mike Matarrazo said" Look at the Olympia audience, they are taking more gear than the Pro's competing tonight"
It is so common to hear fans in indignation no believing what the Pros take ...such as Lee because he must be Hidden something. He can not get that big just taking that. To deny the benefits of Steroids is pure stupid, but to believe that more is better is even worse.
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The alteration of the bodies natural balance is extremely complicated. Changing the body's equation must be simplified to identify results. Excess use of Drugs is one of the biggest misconceptions in BB fans. As Mike Matarrazo said" Look at the Olympia audience, they are taking more gear than the Pro's competing tonight"
It is so common to hear fans in indignation no believing what the Pros take ...such as Lee because he must be Hidden something. He can not get that big just taking that. To deny the benefits of Steroids is pure stupid, but to believe that more is better is even worse.
Where did Debussey write this? You know that "better" is a subjective statement, right, which means that you are thinking in normative terms, while DEbussey = asking you to give your opinion about a positive statement.
Do you agree with the diminishing incremental benefit statement? -> You have avoided this question all along. Please give an answer.
Do you think you have the ability to determine the "saturation" dose? (which is the dose when the incremental benefit turns negative, or when it is zero)
You are still not talking about what we are discussing, you are actually talking about something completely else ;)
Do you lack the ability to UNDERSTAND simple things? Did you graduate from High School? Do you still believe "exponental growth" is what you think it is? ;D
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Where did Debussey write this? ;)
You are still not talking about what we are discussing.
Do you lack the ability to UNDERSTAND simple things? Did you graduate from High School? ;D
The Normal recommend dosage of test is 500g to 1000g weekly. This recommendation is universal in the BB community. You must be a new Genius with your recommendation of 3000mg weekly.
Again, 3000g of test a weekly not only is less effective that 750mg is detrimental to muscle gain. But you are more that welcome to try it and let us know. I will bet you be calling a doctor with symptom of severe fever in the second week.
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Smart BB come off in order to clean receptors outs.
Come off of what? Milk? ;D
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The Normal recommend dosage of test is 500g to 1000g weekly. This recommendation is universal in the BB community. You must be a new Genius with your recommendation of 3000mg weekly.
Again, 3000g of test a weekly not only is less effective that 750mg is detrimental to muscle gain. But you are more that welcome to try it and let us know. I will bet you be calling a doctor with symptom of severe fever in the second week.
Why did you avoid the 2 simple questions Debussey wanted an answer to?? Those two questions = the only thing Debussey wanted you to answer. :o
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The Normal recommend dosage of test is 500g to 1000g weekly. This recommendation is universal in the BB community. You must be a new Genius with your recommendation of 3000mg weekly.
Again, 3000g of test a weekly not only is less effective that 750mg is detrimental to muscle gain. But you are more that welcome to try it and let us know. I will bet you be calling a doctor with symptom of severe fever in the second week.
When did Debussey recommend 3000 mg weekly? Debussey did not. Once again: 1 + 1 = 2, and you think it is 5 and run with it. ;D
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Im glad im a drug free competitor. This crap is a waste of time....kind of like typing for getbig. ;D
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Again I am done with it.
750g=100units of muscle
3000g=75 units of muscle
The body has a limit level of absorption. I do not understand why this simple Medical fact is so difficult to you.
Well you are the Guru ::)
Good Night ;)
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Again I am done with it.
750g=100units of muscle
3000g=75 units of muscle
The body has a limit level of absorption. I do not understand why this simple Medical fact is so difficult to you.
Well you are the Guru ::)
Good Night ;)
Prove this "medical fact". ;D
In reality, Debussey does not give a shit, but teaching you high school mathematics was fun.
8)
PS: Once you smarten up, attend a college and learn something useful. Starting with the defenition of "exponential growth" might be a good thing. :-*
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Prove this "medical fact". ;D
In reality, Debussey does not give a shit, but teaching you high school mathematics was fun.
8)
PS: Once you smarten up, attend a college and learn something useful. Starting with the defenition of "exponential growth" might be a good thing. :-*
JUST POST YOUR PIC SO WE CAN SEE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK AND HOW HUGE YOU ARE FROM THE DRUGS .............
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JUST POST YOUR PIC SO WE CAN SEE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK AND HOW HUGE YOU ARE FROM THE DRUGS .............
Hahahaha....end of story. ;D
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The Normal recommend dosage of test is 500g to 1000g weekly. This recommendation is universal in the BB community. You must be a new Genius with your recommendation of 3000mg weekly.
Again, 3000g of test a weekly not only is less effective that 750mg is detrimental to muscle gain. But you are more that welcome to try it and let us know. I will bet you be calling a doctor with symptom of severe fever in the second week.
Evil Angel, if one is to take test at the top of the range, i.e 1000 mg per week--is there any point of stacking anything else like deca, dbol, etc on top of that? Or is 1000 mg of test per week already at the max level of absorption and anything over that will not increase muscle gain?
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Again I am done with it.
750g=100units of muscle
3000g=75 units of muscle
The body has a limit level of absorption. I do not understand why this simple Medical fact is so difficult to you.
Well you are the Guru ::)
Good Night ;)
You seem to be really convinced on what you state so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not automatically assume you are a naive idiot.
But, the saturation point theory is completely logical, that I have no trouble accepting.
But saturation does not equate to deminisence (hope this word exists lol) which is what you're talking about now.
I can complely follow you on the once you get past a certain point the results will be proportionally smaller with higher doses, but please explain the deminishing results because I really dont see that happening to be honest
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Anadrol 50 for 5 weeks, 3 weeks of Halo Test, Clen, Win every 4weeks. I am sure some form of anti-estrogen was added. Well as you can see is not only Win every 4 days. Anadrol 50 is known to be one of the strongest Ster. out there.
just think of the gains he would have if he added in Nitro Tech...he would be a man mountain.
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Evil Angel, if one is to take test at the top of the range, i.e 1000 mg per week--is there any point of stacking anything else like deca, dbol, etc on top of that? Or is 1000 mg of test per week already at the max level of absorption and anything over that will not increase muscle gain?
The use of other anabolic in combination is beneficial and recommended for the same reasons regarding saturation of receptors. So I would say that 1000mg is considered to be close to a saturation level for test, but the combination of other drugs would use other receptors.
You seem to be really convinced on what you state so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not automatically assume you are a naive idiot.
But, the saturation point theory is completely logical, that I have no trouble accepting.
But saturation does not equate to deminisence (hope this word exists lol) which is what you're talking about now.
I can complely follow you on the once you get past a certain point the results will be proportionally smaller with higher doses, but please explain the deminishing results because I really dont see that happening to be honest
Let me give you an analogy. If you have a parking lot with a capacity for 100 cars and you put 150 cars on the lot. The ability of the cars to move would be seriously impacted. Same with Tanning your body would respond to radiation in a positive way to a point, passing that point would cause a burn what is exactly the opposite effect. As state before abuse of any drug would cause a inverse reaction. That is why you would see a decrease in the synthesis of protein after saturation levels are achieved.
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Let me give you an anology: both cars have the exact same framework/wheels etc
One has a 50 hp engine, the other one a 200 hp engine
Which one has the highest top speed/acceleration rate
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Only pussies get off the sauce.
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just wondering if the pros ever go off the gear,hg,insulin,etcetera. at any time of the year even if it's for a week, 2 weeks, or 1 month are they ever off the juice? if so do they do this time to recover and use "natural" testosterone boosting supplements and perhaps some estrogen blockers?
or if they do come off for any length of time, do they go off of everything?
Jack London apparently doesn't comes off, and used 4 grams of test a week.
-Hedge
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Let me give you an analogy: both cars have the exact same framework/wheels etc
One has a 50 hp engine, the other one a 200 hp engine
Which one has the highest top speed/acceleration rate
Did not get your analogy.
People have genetic differences. But in the end of the day a Muscle is a Muscle. Doctors prescribe similar amounts base on patients weight even so some genetic differences are observed. So obviously some people would have higher response level, but increasing the amount is not the answer.
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Jack London apparently doesn't comes off, and used 4 grams of test a week.
-Hedge
Hedge,
I really hope that is not the case...as you can see increasing the amounts do not necessary equates to muscle gain....London is a great guy but no amounts will make him Lee. period
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Hedge,
I really hope that is not the case...as you can see increasing the amounts do not necessary equates to muscle gain....London is a great guy but no amounts will make him Lee. period
i lost any respect i had for rhino the other day..... some guy asked him what he takes and by guy i mean kid 19-22 what he does and he said test year round at 4000mg! fucking ridiculous hasn;t been off in years..... even if that is what you do why would you tell some dumb ass kid that
In your opinion, could year around use in very high dosages speed up aging?
-Hedge
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In your opinion, could year around use in very high dosages speed up aging?
-Hedge
Year round use of ANY medication is not recomended. Even simple things as mantaining a high levels of protein,vitamin...should be cycle of for a short period to allow the body to clean up.
Year round use of Steroids is just pure stupidity. Acellariontion in Aging, permanent liver and other internal organs damange, increase levels of cellular mutations are among the severe conseguences. And the worse part of it, the muscular benefits aren't there.