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How old are you, and would you go if asked?
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How old are you, and would you go if asked?
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Quote from: The Enigma on Today at 05:27:39 AM
I suggest you NOT cross the line with my children.
youre the one tring to pimp your daughter you sick fuck ... im trying to find wher you live so i can save her
240......look at this spurious post Sandy posted.
How does Ron allow this?
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AND FIGHT FOR HALIBERTON :-*
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A draft is the quickest way to end this war and prevent similar stupidity in the future.
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How old are you, and would you go if asked?
a draft is not a 'request'
that being said;
I'd take my chances in jail over that hellhole
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They only take ages 18-26, correct?
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They only take ages 18-26, correct?
LOL... not any more! It's been pushed up to 42 years old for regular duty and 44 years you're needed for a "skill" And the draft will be coming soon, that's a 100%
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The thing I don't know is can you be drafted if you've already served and you're past your inactive obligation, can they zap you back with the draft?
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LOL... not any more! It's been pushed up to 42 years old for regular duty and 44 years you're needed for a "skill" And the draft will be coming soon, that's a 100%
Seriously?
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Seriously?
dead serious.... 240, did you just say, "D'oh! ah shit" :-\
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dead serious.... 240, did you just say, "D'oh! ah shit" :-\
i thought i was in the clear. Do they take the young kids first?
Honestly, I think that a draft would end the war almost instantly. Parents like Mr I-one and Beach Bum who love to talk about the need for war wouldn't feel the same if their child had to ship out. it's easy for them to armchair things when they have nothing involved. The 25% support would quickly drop to 10% or less.
Also, IMO the use of private contractors gives us the leeway needed to avoid a draft. I hope!
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i thought i was in the clear. Do they take the young kids first?
Honestly, I think that a draft would end the war almost instantly. Parents like Mr I-one and Beach Bum who love to talk about the need for war wouldn't feel the same if their child had to ship out. it's easy for them to armchair things when they have nothing involved. The 25% support would quickly drop to 10% or less.
Also, IMO the use of private contractors gives us the leeway needed to avoid a draft. I hope!
But we both know this will come "after" another major attack again America, I suspect much larger than 9/11.
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damn, things are scary.
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no, wars are ment to be fought by the lowerclass as a means of "thinning the heard" ... it doesnt make sense that someone like me with a private/university education would risk being killed
sad but true
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damn, things are scary.
yup, did you see the story on this in the pinned thread. What I find interesting is that just a short time ago, primarily a dem idea with rightwing sources against any draft, but these recommendations are coming from the right. It's on the way, I'm almost positive and you're right, Americans won't go for it so you know what's coming... I just wish I knew what they are going to hit... I guess watch closely for what drills and exercises they're undertaking and know that when they have several planned for one time, it might be an impending false flag.
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no, wars are ment to be fought by the lowerclass as a means of "thinning the heard" ... it doesnt make sense that someone like me with a private/university education would risk being killed
sad but true
This has been the case through the centuries. Very noticeably in the 7 years war, where the purpose IMO was solely to exterminate undesirables and the lower classes.
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no..i'd never go..
i dont agree with the war..
i want no part of it...
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Is being a conscientious objector an option?
Would you enlist locally voluntarily, with the agreement you don't get sent overseas?
This is scary.
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Is being a conscientious objector an option?
Would you enlist locally voluntarily, with the agreement you don't get sent overseas?
This is scary.
i know a few paki guys whose parents donated ::) $ to senators for them to go to germany...they were in the army..
the draft isn't gonna happen..they dont have enough space in jails to house people that refuse to go..
and i have a feeling a lot of die hard repbs that are pro war r all of a sudden r gonna change their opinions.
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Is being a conscientious objector an option?
Would you enlist locally voluntarily, with the agreement you don't get sent overseas?
This is scary.
Depends on your religion.
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they do have those nice prisons with room for 3 million people right?
Shit, I'd enlist before getting locked up.
With a college degree, maybe I would dodge the streets of tehran :(
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Is being a conscientious objector an option?
Would you enlist locally voluntarily, with the agreement you don't get sent overseas?
This is scary.
Conscientious objecter is a really hard thing to get granted, it's usually denied even if you think you've covered all your bases. I guess you could go down and sign up with your boyfriend :D That should do the trick.
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Conscientious objecter is a really hard thing to get granted, it's usually denied even if you think you've covered all your bases. I guess you could go down and sign up with your boyfriend :D That should do the trick.
hahahaha wanna be my date? lol...
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i know a few paki guys whose parents donated ::) $ to senators for them to go to germany...they were in the army..
the draft isn't gonna happen..they dont have enough space in jails to house people that refuse to go..
and i have a feeling a lot of die hard repbs that are pro war r all of a sudden r gonna change their opinions.
This isn't how they operate. you're right, nobody would go if they enacted it now, that's why it will happen after a huge attack on America. Several weeks/months of recouping after the attack and a very hungry, angry and scared population will fall right in line.
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hahahaha wanna be my date? lol...
sure :D I'm still wondering if you can be drafted if you've already served.
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Is being a conscientious objector an option?
Would you enlist locally voluntarily, with the agreement you don't get sent overseas?
This is scary.
also, in the fine print of your contract, they pretty much say anything you've been promissed can be scraped at any time they feel like screwing you.
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This isn't how they operate. you're right, nobody would go if they enacted it now, that's why it will happen after a huge attack on America. Several weeks/months of recouping after the attack and a very hungry, angry and scared population will fall right in line.
then i pack up and go bye bye America...plenty of tek jobs to be had in germany..italy etc..
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I am really unsure on this. After the number of people who see thru 9/11, IMO they will wait another 10 or 20 before trying to convince us to do something big. I mean, we *could* spend the next 10 years strengthening positions on both sides of Iran, and just gather intel, embargo, black ops to avoid a giant 3rd war.
hh6 said it right - americans aren't at war, the military is. The second that every happy American has to pick up a gun or go to a jail cell, it's gonna change the "go-along-with-it" attitude. Even if they're scared from another atttack (which i pray doesn't happen), i think they'd be MORE likely to want to stay with their family.
IMO if they can get us to keep paying contractors to do it, they will. And while the neocons would drool over a war in Iran, I think we're looking at Afgh/iraq becoming places we're always present, and Iran being the place we'll eventually go but aren't. McCain's joke is a good sign of that - if an attack was scheduled for tomorrow, he'd probably have thought twice about that 'bomb iran' song.
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then i pack up and go bye bye America...plenty of tek jobs to be had in germany..italy etc..
The plan is to start completely over, minus a number of children. You'll be exterminated and if you happen to survive the initial extermination event, you'll be "evacuated" to a safe death tunnel where you think you'll be boarding an evacuation plane but find you're gasping for air as a poison mist fills your lungs. :D Fun fun fun... so it is written, so they will do it 8) Oh and don't get in the evacuation line, join up with me, I'll be leading the global resistance againt the morlocks :D
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okay, so what kinda health care do we get in there? At least if we're gonna sit in the sand and shoot iranians all day, they'll hook us up with some good health care, right?
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I am really unsure on this. After the number of people who see thru 9/11, IMO they will wait another 10 or 20 before trying to convince us to do something big. I mean, we *could* spend the next 10 years strengthening positions on both sides of Iran, and just gather intel, embargo, black ops to avoid a giant 3rd war.
hh6 said it right - americans aren't at war, the military is. The second that every happy American has to pick up a gun or go to a jail cell, it's gonna change the "go-along-with-it" attitude. Even if they're scared from another atttack (which i pray doesn't happen), i think they'd be MORE likely to want to stay with their family.
IMO if they can get us to keep paying contractors to do it, they will. And while the neocons would drool over a war in Iran, I think we're looking at Afgh/iraq becoming places we're always present, and Iran being the place we'll eventually go but aren't. McCain's joke is a good sign of that - if an attack was scheduled for tomorrow, he'd probably have thought twice about that 'bomb iran' song.
I believe we'll be in the global extermination phase by 2012 and I believe they'll pull the major attack on America before Bush leaves office. I'm thinking a dozen or more cities will be hit hard. The population will be blindsided, there won't be any truthers and I Imagine in the weeks following the events they will have no problem gathering up the documented, "troublemakers"
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okay, so what kinda health care do we get in there? At least if we're gonna sit in the sand and shoot iranians all day, they'll hook us up with some good health care, right?
You mean like walter reed good :D
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that's a scary ass scenario.
wouldn't doing that disrupt the US economy to the point of collapse?
We're already teetering. that kinda mess means people stop paying taxes and going to work. the chinese market had a hiccup last year and the dow dropped bigtime. our market is fragile and dollar very soft. we'd lose all footing in global commerce.
man, i pray that doesn't happen. scary.
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that's a scary ass scenario.
wouldn't doing that disrupt the US economy to the point of collapse?
We're already teetering. that kinda mess means people stop paying taxes and going to work. the chinese market had a hiccup last year and the dow dropped bigtime. our market is fragile and dollar very soft. we'd lose all footing in global commerce.
man, i pray that doesn't happen. scary.
The economy means nothing to these guys, there is a much much bigger picture in their minds... "ONE" and when this happens, they'll actually be elevated from the social positions of "Rich and Powerful as Hell" to "Gods" or as I like to call them, Morlocks as this is exactly to the T what they're planning. Sometimes these movies make me wonder, somebody knew a lot.
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we'd lose all footing in global commerce.
And this is the part that will have people lining up for the draft.
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THE NEW WORLD ORDER ! :'(
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THE ONLY PEOPLE EATING WILL BE THOSE IN UNIFORM !
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. Sometimes these movies make me wonder, somebody knew a lot.
i said it once before..
someone spills the beans every now n then...ya gotta be looking in the right direction when it happens..
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I dunno. I hope and pray that nothing like that happens. And I think that china, india, Eur, and russia are giants we must stay strong to maintain our supremacy. A divided US, in camps, prisons, drafts, etc, will fall behind in every category worldwide. While I do believe that corporations do control much of what happens in the world, I believe there are competing factions and there won't be just ONE for many more decades.
Bush doesn't need an attack to justify attack on iran - he can order nuke strikes on his last day in office, and no one can stop him. We can control their resources just like we are doing in afghanistan and iraq.
IMO these things are control mechanisms. Fear keeps us in line. But attacks, drafts, etc would completely destroy our economy and US *firms* would lose business in other nations. The corporations would take the hit.
I don't know. I'm scared as hell by the thought of it. But it's still my opinion that the groups doing this are doing it for energy and strategic position - not to start a global war or destory america. I think cheney and bush love the US and when they leave - incredibly - we WILL be in a much stronger global and energy position than we were in 2000. Have they done terrible things? of course. but for 300 mil folks, controlling iraq keeps us safer and better off financially.
it's unanswerable. it's confusing. my head hurts.
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I am nearly blind in my right eye...they would be fools to take me...I can't shoot I will kill everyone.
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I got a bung knee...and who's gonna feed my cat?
I ain't goin!!
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Conscientious objecter is a really hard thing to get granted, it's usually denied even if you think you've covered all your bases. I guess you could go down and sign up with your boyfriend :D That should do the trick.
better hurry on that one, the guy from Mass is trying to get don't ask don't tell rpealed so you could serve openly
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better hurry on that one, the guy from Mass is trying to get don't ask don't tell rpealed so you could serve openly
Hello, I've already served. I'm just wondering if the draft includes people who have finished an obligation/past their innactive years. I don't think anybody knows.
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Hello, I've already served. I'm just wondering if the draft includes people who have finished an obligation/past their innactive years. I don't think anybody knows.
easy tiger, I was talking about the walking in with the BF comment. See you guys need a week off to cool your jets
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I'm 20 and I'm registeredd with that selective services shit, so I think I'd have to go. >:(
Would I be happy about it? Of course not, but what could I do about it? Fake an injury? Nah.. Purposely score low on a test so I can be safe scrubbing toilets? Nah.. I'd just face it like a man.
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I'm 20 and I'm registeredd with that selective services shit, so I think I'd have to go. >:(
Would I be happy about it? Of course not, but what could I do about it? Fake an injury? Nah.. Purposely score low on a test so I can be safe scrubbing toilets? Nah.. I'd just face it like a man.
yeah, i thought about it today a bit. If there was a draft, I could saw off a trigger finger or move to canada, but part of me is really intrigued by the idea of it. I wouldn't *want* to go, but I would. I would hope I could get a job fixing computers or do my time guarding a toilet somewhere instead of in the battlefield.
Oh - are there eyesight limitations to who can serve? My vision in one eye is pretty damn poor. I work on a computer and wear contacts so I neve notice it in real life, but distances are not so friendly.
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I think you people are on drugs - and if you're not you need to be.
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yeah, i thought about it today a bit. If there was a draft, I could saw off a trigger finger or move to canada, but part of me is really intrigued by the idea of it. I wouldn't *want* to go, but I would. I would hope I could get a job fixing computers or do my time guarding a toilet somewhere instead of in the battlefield.
Oh - are there eyesight limitations to who can serve? My vision in one eye is pretty damn poor. I work on a computer and wear contacts so I neve notice it in real life, but distances are not so friendly.
If so I am safe. I see like 20/80 or something like that in my right eye...that would be my shooting eye.I guess it wouldn't matter with a machine gun. :-\
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LOL... not any more! It's been pushed up to 42 years old for regular duty and 44 years you're needed for a "skill" And the draft will be coming soon, that's a 100%
PHEW! I'm safe!
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If so I am safe. I see like 20/80 or something like that in my right eye...that would be my shooting eye.I guess it wouldn't matter with a machine gun. :-\
haha it might matter to the guys around you :)
I'm way worse than that in one of my eyes. Plus sometimes color differentiation is an issue.
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Over-30.
Absolutely not, regardless of my age.
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PHEW! I'm safe!
WHAT???? Hold up grandpa... You can always apply for a waiver, you're in good shape, you're for the war, it's your duty to support it being a warhawk. You should at least try to enlist if you're for the war, if they say no, they say no.
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yeah, i thought about it today a bit. If there was a draft, I could saw off a trigger finger or move to canada, but part of me is really intrigued by the idea of it. I wouldn't *want* to go, but I would. I would hope I could get a job fixing computers or do my time guarding a toilet somewhere instead of in the battlefield.
Oh - are there eyesight limitations to who can serve? My vision in one eye is pretty damn poor. I work on a computer and wear contacts so I neve notice it in real life, but distances are not so friendly.
I would want to be out on the field. If I'm gonna be in the military then I want my legacy to be with a gun and not cooking or some other lame shit.
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LOL... not any more! It's been pushed up to 42 years old for regular duty and 44 years you're needed for a "skill" And the draft will be coming soon, that's a 100%
I'm puttin' yous all on notice now, ...none of y'all are camping out at my place!
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I'm puttin' yous all on notice now, ...none of y'all are camping out at my place!
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I wouldn't go to Canada. I would go fight this gay ass stupid fucking retarded waste of a bullshit war and shut my trap while I'm in.
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I wouldn't go to Canada. I would go fight this gay ass stupid fucking retarded waste of a bullshit war and shut my trap while I'm in.
haha yeah, me too. I wouldn't like it, but I have had some shitty jobs and I've done em. beats going to prison in alaska for however long. And I would get a 50 cal machine gun right?
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haha yeah, me too. I wouldn't like it, but I have had some shitty jobs and I've done em. beats going to prison in alaska for however long. And I would get a 50 cal machine gun right?
So why don't you enlist?
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i'm old and i have a family.
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A draft wouldn't win this war. Osama had stated that that there were three places that he wanted to draw the US in. Afghanistan, Sudan, and Iraq. He figured that having the "far emeny in these three places would drain the US monetarily. And it is working.
To keep throwing bodies in a place that doesn't want us there is stupid, there is no sense to it. AThe money we have spent throwing at useless ideas couldd be better spent in having aerospace and automotive engineers come up with a military vehicle that can hover over the road to avoid roadside bombs, Think like the hovership in "The Matrix". I'm sure Lockheed Martin, Boeing, or GM could be competitive and come up with something. Just like Jeep did back in the 40's when the US was having problems with transport and support vehicles during WWII.
Since this is unconventional war and the enemy is using unconventional methods, it's time we stop thinking like we are in the 20th century. Hell, even the transport helicopters that the Marines use are from the 1960's. Does anyone here still drive a car on the regular from the 1960's. No, I don't think so.
I'm not going anywhere until the US Military start spending money on upgrading the the military to 21st century standards, not some "go to the war with the army you have, not the army you want". What type of junk-yard scavaging idea is that.
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i'm old and i have a family.
He's got a point, you've crossed over. You support the war, "for the greater good of Americans" as unpleasant as it is. I went through bootcamp with guys your age who had families. As unpleasant as it might be for you, you are now standing with the war hawks... I Like you 240, but I can't follow you on this.
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He's got a point, you've crossed over. You support the war, "for the greater good of Americans" as unpleasant as it is. I went through bootcamp with guys your age who had families. As unpleasant as it might be for you, you are now standing with the war hawks... I Like you 240, but I can't follow you on this.
Then I'm a hypocrite. but an honest one. I understand the motivates for the war now. I don't like them, and feel of course, our nation should instead invest in alternative fuels while reaching amicable agreements with these nations instead of just bombing them. Also, I understand there are always going to be 200,000 kids like mm69 or hh6 who are eager to do the job.
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If I got recalled I'd go back.
Seriously, what choice would I have?
My loyalty to my country outweighs my own needs.
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After much bitiching I'm glad to see some of you guys would do what u had to.....u might get lucky and not get assigned over there or the war might end. And scoring low.....means u will be a grunt so score high ;D
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After much bitiching I'm glad to see some of you guys would do what u had to.....u might get lucky and not get assigned over there or the war might end. And scoring low.....means u will be a grunt so score high ;D
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hey, you might know. how bad would your vision have to be to be kept out of combat?
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WHAT???? Hold up grandpa... You can always apply for a waiver, you're in good shape, you're for the war, it's your duty to support it being a warhawk. You should at least try to enlist if you're for the war, if they say no, they say no.
Damn it, put a new hip in me and sign me up, I wanna drive a tank!
If they could promise me I could be one of the torturers at Gitmo, i'd already be in baby!
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If I got recalled I'd go back.
Seriously, what choice would I have?
My loyalty to my country outweighs my own needs.
That brought tears to my eyes, god bless you.
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Good christ...if there's a draft u idiots can all come work for me..I hope u can all type and answer the phone ;D
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Good christ...if there's a draft u idiots can all come work for me..I hope u can all type and answer the phone ;D
LOL... thanks but no thanks.
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im a firm believer in god and destiny.. if they call me and tell me to fight in a war, and i get blown up -o'well..(even though i cant get drafted)
i know a ladie whos pushing 95 -shes been an alcoholic who smokes 3 packs a day since she was young. i knew a guy who was a complete health nut who got cancer and died at 30. i saw a guy get shot in the head and has fully recovered.. my old boss finally stopped smoking, then he dies a year later of a heart attack while shoveling snow.
when your numbers up -its up
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im a firm believer in god and destiny.. if they call me and tell me to fight in a war, and i get blown up -o'well..(even though i cant get drafted)
i know a ladie whos pushing 95 -shes been an alcoholic who smokes 3 packs a day since she was young. i knew a guy who was a complete health nut who got cancer and died at 30. i saw a guy get shot in the head and has fully recovered.. my old boss finally stopped smoking, then he dies a year later of a heart attack while shoveling snow.
when your numbers up -its up
Thats why I bungee jump, sky dive, ride motorcycles way too fast, when its time, the good lord will get you whether you are sky diving or sitting on the toilet.
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After much bitiching I'm glad to see some of you guys would do what u had to.....u might get lucky and not get assigned over there or the war might end. And scoring low.....means u will be a grunt so score high ;D
I wouldn't want to scrub toilets so of course I'd try to score high. I'm in good shape and I can run 3-4 miles. My biggest concern would be trusting others because they would be weary with my background and all.
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As far as vision...ask Enigma but as long as its correctable u'd be fine but i'm not sure what the draft board criteria would be and if u would be 4f..however they may draft u for stateside duty. Rooster..i'm a tanker.....U have sorta lay down to drive..and its not ur only job on the tank.....u have to turn wrentches..plus new guys load and since u lift ur ass would be right next to mine humping rounds into the 120mm..we'll put berseker in the gunners chair..or whichever one of u guys is better at video games.
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As far as vision...ask Enigma but as long as its correctable u'd be fine but i'm not sure what the draft board criteria would be and if u would be 4f..however they may draft u for stateside duty. Rooster..i'm a tanker.....U have sorta lay down to drive..and its not ur only job on the tank.....u have to turn wrentches..plus new guys load and since u lift ur ass would be right next to mine humping rounds into the 120mm..we'll put berseker in the gunners chair..or whichever one of u guys is better at video games.
In '89 I said they were using video games to train the next generation of solidiers. They laughed at me then. Fools >:(
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A quick trigger finger helps...
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Still would like to know if those who have already served are draftable, nobody knows?
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Still would like to know if those who have already served are draftable, nobody knows?
I am 99.9% sure that you are not. Once you serve and then do your inactive time after your enlistment, you have served your debt to the US. But don't quote me
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I am 99.9% sure that you are not. Once you serve and then do your inactive time after your enlistment, you have served your debt to the US. But don't quote me
You can get recalled but there is a looooooong line ahead of you.
It also depends on what you did in the service. If you were in a critical field you move up the line.
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Still would like to know if those who have already served are draftable, nobody knows?
You could always state you have a boil on your buttocks. It worked for Rush. :D
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You could always state you have a boil on your buttocks. It worked for Rush. :D
If this wasn't a bullshit fraud of a war based on lies, lies and more lies, I would be begging to get back in.
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Here's what Bush Republicans really think about serving our country... as they send others to fight and die.
Republican Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, chose not to serve our country.
Former Republican House Majority Speaker, Dick Armey, chose not to serve our country.
Repblican Texas Senator Phil Gram got several deferments (4?).
Republican Jack Kemp chose not to serve our country, because of a “bad knee,” but that didn’t stop him from playing pro football. (No Pat Tillman he.)
Republican House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay, chose not to serve our country.
Republican House Majority Whip, Roy Blunt, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher chose not to serve our country.
Republican Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Majority Whip, Mitch McConnell, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Rick Santorum, third ranking Republican in the Senate, chose not to serve our country.
Former Republican Majority Leader, Trent Lott, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Bush official Elliot Abrams, convicted in Iran contra, chose not to serve our country.
Attorney General John Ashcroft received 7 deferments.
Jeb Bush chose not to serve our country.
Bush's chief political guru, Karl Rove, chose not to serve our country.
Republican moralizer in chief, Bill betting Bennett, chose not to serve our country.
Sean Hannity chose not to serve our country, but has no trouble denegrating any Democrat veteran.
Bill O'Reilly chose not to serve our country.
Rush Limbaugh got out because of a “pilonidal cyst” (read: boil on his butt), but has no trouble denegrating any Democrat veteran.
Former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and serial adulterer, chose not to serve our country.
Co-leader neocon and Iraqi war booster, Paul Wolfowitz, had no trouble sending others to die in war, but chose not to serve our country himself.
Co-leader neocon Iraqi booster, Richard Perle, also had no trouble sending others to die and get maimed in Iraq, but chose not to serve our country himself.
And Dick – doing business with the enemy, I had better things to do than serve my country – Cheney, seems to have received his last deferment by bedding down his wife and making her with child.
Democrats who served: Representative Dick Gephardt, Representative Bonoir, Senator Tom Daschle, Vice President Al Gore, Senator Bob Kerry, Senator Inouye, Senator John Kerry, Representative Charles Rangel, Senator Max Cleland, Senator Teddy Kennedy, Senator Tom Harkin, Senator Jack Reed, Senator Fritz Hollings, Boswell, Peterson, Thompson, McBridge, Pete Stark, Gray Davis... Senator George McGovern, Senator John Glenn, Vice President Walter Mondale, and, except for Ike, President Jimmy Carter, who served more years in the service than any other president.
Of course, there are many Democrats who didn’t serve our country, including President Bill Clinton.
However, Democrats aren’t the ones VILIFYING real VETERANS.
That would be the Bush-Cheney team, sanctioned by our “Mission Accomplished” commander in chief and his draft dodging Dick.
And what about George W. Bush’s service record, WHICH HE IS LYING ABOUT ON HIS RESUME?
Frankly, no one knows for sure.
There are missing, secret and scrubbed files.
And the White House won’t let anyone talk about it
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I'd have to go.
Serving is part of our American duty.
I'd be pissed, LOL! But would still go.
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vinny your right..now im pissed.. i remember when rudy guiliani promised the people of ny that he would clean up the streets.. he ordered all of us nypd guys to risk our lives getting the streets back and getting rid of the drug dealers.. he never even served as a cop -but he ordered us to do it. what a jerk ::)
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vinny your right..now im pissed.. i remember when rudy guiliani promised the people of ny that he would clean up the streets.. he ordered all of us nypd guys to risk our lives getting the streets back and getting rid of the drug dealers.. he never even served as a cop -but he ordered us to do it. what a jerk ::)
the point is that one who hasn't served doesn't have the experience and perspective of one who has, when it comes to sending men to their deaths.
To those without experience, war is a numbers game. Those who have fought will take into consideration many more factors. War is nothing but a book to a lot of these guys, a chess game. McCain and Kerry know what it's like to bleed for your country and look down death. The college students who become lawmakers do not.
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the point is that one who hasn't served doesn't have the experience and perspective of one who has, when it comes to sending men to their deaths.
To those without experience, war is a numbers game. Those who have fought will take into consideration many more factors. War is nothing but a book to a lot of these guys, a chess game. McCain and Kerry know what it's like to bleed for your country and look down death. The college students who become lawmakers do not.
yes i agree.
Military service and preferably combat experience would be great for every president to have. My son, even joking suggested it become a requirement.
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vinny your right..now im pissed.. i remember when rudy guiliani promised the people of ny that he would clean up the streets.. he ordered all of us nypd guys to risk our lives getting the streets back and getting rid of the drug dealers.. he never even served as a cop -but he ordered us to do it. what a jerk ::)
Look at ti this way, I bet Fire guys are mad that he never was a fireman, garbage men are mad too. A guy can't do everything.
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the point is that one who hasn't served doesn't have the experience and perspective of one who has, when it comes to sending men to their deaths.
To those without experience, war is a numbers game. Those who have fought will take into consideration many more factors. War is nothing but a book to a lot of these guys, a chess game. McCain and Kerry know what it's like to bleed for your country and look down death. The college students who become lawmakers do not.
Some of the biggest proponents of war have been the greatest heroes in US history
George Patton:
A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed tomorrow
Douglas MacArthur:
It is a fatal error to enter any war without the will to win it
All great civilisations, in their early stages, are based on success in war
In war there is no substitute for victory
Thomas Jefferson:
From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
JFK
A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living.
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Some of the biggest proponents of war have been the greatest heroes in US history
George Patton:
A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed tomorrow
Douglas MacArthur:
It is a fatal error to enter any war without the will to win it
All great civilisations, in their early stages, are based on success in war
In war there is no substitute for victory
Thomas Jefferson:
From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
JFK
A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living.
I agree.
I think the idea here is that a president with combat experience won;t irresponsibly send our troops to war as Bush has. But is willing to do what's necessary and go to war when warranted.
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I agree.
I think the idea here is that a president with combat experience won;t irresponsibly send our troops to war as Bush has. But is willing to do what's necessary and go to war when warranted.
Interesting that of the last 9 conflicts the US entered, only 4 were entered into by presidents that had combat experience:
Korea by Truman
Vietnam by Eisenhower (continued by Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon all with combat exp.)
Panama and Gulf 1 by Bush 1
The other 5 were by non combat presidents
WWI by Wilson
WWII by FDR
Grenada by Reagan
Bosnia by Clinton
Iraq by Bush
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Interesting that of the last 9 conflicts the US entered, only 4 were entered into by presidents that had combat experience:
Korea by Truman
Vietnam by Eisenhower (continued by Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon all with combat exp.)
Panama and Gulf 1 by Bush 1
The other 5 were by non combat presidents
WWI by Wilson
WWII by FDR
Grenada by Reagan
Bosnia by Clinton
Iraq by Bush
Wow, very interesting.....
I guess that's the difference between "Theory and Reality"
P.S. We were in Nam with Ike? didn't we just have advisors there after the French left and didn't start sending ground forces until JFK?
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Wow, very interesting.....
I guess that's the difference between "Theory and Reality"
P.S. We were in Nam with Ike? didn't we just have advisors there after the French left and didn't start sending ground forces until JFK?
They list the war from 1960-75. I always thought it was 1963-75. hmmm
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