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Title: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 23, 2007, 06:43:36 AM
Well,since it seems that body88 is slacking ;D

I'm a Giants fan.
I'd be happy with
Paul Poslusny,lb,Penn state
Joe Staley,OT,Central Michigan
both huge needs.

the player I REALLY want is Reggie Nelson,safety,Florida.
I think he's got a shot to be a Bob Sanders like player
I hope he falls to us at 20 and the Giants make the pick!

Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 23, 2007, 06:52:21 AM
As a Eagles fan, we have gotten used to picking at the bottom half of the draft... ;D

Needs this draft ad S and CB

I would love Nelson from Florida but ain't gonna happen. More likely Griffen from Texas.

At CB there are a bunch of so so middle 1st round corners so depending on the run that will happen I think you could still get a good one in the 2nd round.

I also like Timmons from Florida state at LB this years Demarco Ryans.

I would like to get Leonard from Rutgers at FB/HB in the second round.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Oldschool Flip on April 23, 2007, 01:04:01 PM
The 9ers trade their 1st round and 3 4th round pick to the Raiders! Here comes Johnson!


I wish. :'(
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Option D on April 23, 2007, 01:06:44 PM
Im a raiders fan,...shop moss for a 1st and 2nd rd pick...russel and a d end would be cool for me.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Oldschool Flip on April 23, 2007, 01:21:12 PM
Im a raiders fan,...shop moss for a 1st and 2nd rd pick...russel and a d end would be cool for me.
Moss is NO LONGER worth a 1st or 2nd round pick. Given his age and last 2 years performance, they would be lucky to get a 4th rounder out of him.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Earl1972 on April 23, 2007, 08:55:08 PM
I would love to see my steelers take one of the two hometown kids that I watched play high school football like Darrelle Revis or Paul Poslusny

they were awesome high school players, both came form the same hometown and both led their teams to state championships but i never imagined they would be first round caliber

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Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: big L dawg on April 23, 2007, 09:57:43 PM
Moss is NO LONGER worth a 1st or 2nd round pick. Given his age and last 2 years performance, they would be lucky to get a 4th rounder out of him.


I agree they would almost have to give him away
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 06:14:13 AM
Does anybody think the raiders won't pull the lever on russell?
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Option D on April 24, 2007, 06:43:40 AM
Does anybody think the raiders won't pull the lever on russell?

i swear. if not...im not gonna be a raiders fan no more. They got rid of 2 ends the other day and freed up 1.6 more in cap room...i really think they are goin for russell...he is a raider type of guy...our defense is solid...sapp had a monster year last season 10 sacks from the d tackle and playing from behind (so teams really didnt have to pass much). and our secondary is pretty solid.. we just need a sound offence...i see us goin 5-11 next season and then the year after that its 9-7...with the 2nd year qb
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 07:05:17 AM
Does anybody think the raiders won't pull the lever on russell?

On ESPN this they said the Raiders are going to try to get Trent Green or Culpepper
before the draft,this way they can take Calvin Johnson.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 07:54:34 AM
On ESPN this they said the Raiders are going to try to get Trent Green or Culpepper
before the draft,this way they can take Calvin Johnson.

Trent Greene is being traded to Miami.  Culpepper is a injury machine, and with Oaklands offensive line he would be a huge step back for the organization imo.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 08:00:05 AM
Me I would trade back a couple of spots and let someone pick up johnson and get another top second rounder for it. I think they need more then just one. Plus if russell is gone I think Quinn will be hungrey to prove he is the man and is a solid pick up.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 08:25:50 AM
Me I would trade back a couple of spots and let someone pick up johnson and get another top second rounder for it. I think they need more then just one. Plus if russell is gone I think Quinn will be hungrey to prove he is the man and is a solid pick up.

I dont see that happening for a couple reasons. Outside of the bucks any team who would want johnson would have to give up the farm in draft picks to make is worth Oaklands while to trade down. Even the bucks would have to surrender there 4th pick overall and 2 second rounders to make the value equal. Especially with Al Davis at the helm. The guy wanted a first rounder for Randy Moss this year. Dropping any lower then the bucks would run you the risk of not getting Brady, Jamarcus or Calvin. Detroit could use a QB, and Cleveland needs a QB. They would shit there pants if Jamarcus was on the board when they pick.To risky imo. Russel and Quinn could very well go to both those teams after The bucks took Johnson with the 1st. Oakland could go after a drew Stanton type in the second round, but any team who would be willing to trade up with them from the 5th pick on, would have to give up half there draft in picks to move up to number 1. There is also a huge contract requirement at number 1.

I think a more likley scenario would be Oakland taking Johnson with the first pick, then getting A drew Stanton with the first pick in the second round. They would need to sign a vet qb to do this. Culpepper is to injury prone. With Oaklans offensive line, I think signing a guy like Culpepper would be crazy. But Al is crazy, so I dont rule out anything.


There is a rumor the raiders want Matt Cassel (Bradys backup).
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 08:44:24 AM
I dont see that happening for a couple reasons. Outside of the bucks any team who would want johnson would have to give up the farm in draft picks to make is worth Oaklands while to trade down. Even the bucks would have to surrender there 4th pick overall and 2 second rounders to make the value equal. Especially with Al Davis at the helm. The guy wanted a first rounder for Randy Moss this year. Dropping any lower then the bucks would run you the risk of not getting Brady, Jamarcus or Calvin. Detroit could use a QB, and Cleveland needs a QB. To risky imo. Russel and Quinn could very well go to both those teams after The bucks took Johnson with the 1st. Oakland could go after a drew Stanton type in the second round, but any team who would be willing to trade up with them from the 5th pick on, would have to give up half there draft in picks to move up to number 1. There is also a huge contract requirement at number 1.

I think a more likley scenario would be Oakland taking Johnson with the first pick, then getting A drew Stanton with the first pick in the second round. They would need to sign a vet qb to do this. Culpepper is to injury prone. With Oaklans offensive line, I think signing a guy like Culpepper would be crazy. But Al is crazy, so I dont rule out anything.


There is a rumor the raiders want Matt Cassel (Bradys backup).
With a line as poures as the raiders that last thing I would think they would want is a rookie QB. They already have two good WR's and 2 RB's they should understand that every year it's the same thing. Hype up the players but in reality its 50-50 on busts. Russell may be good but everybody thought the same of culpepper/smith/leaf/ect ect ect. I think its better to build from the O line and D line out. QB's should only be brought in when the line is good and they have veteran leadership to help them transfer to the position. A couple of years ago Robert Gallery was the next Orlando pace and now he sucks. Every year it's the same thing.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Option D on April 24, 2007, 08:57:12 AM
With a line as poures as the raiders that last thing I would think they would want is a rookie QB. They already have two good WR's and 2 RB's they should understand that every year it's the same thing. Hype up the players but in reality its 50-50 on busts. Russell may be good but everybody thought the same of culpepper/smith/leaf/ect ect ect. I think its better to build from the O line and D line out. QB's should only be brought in when the line is good and they have veteran leadership to help them transfer to the position. A couple of years ago Robert Gallery was the next Orlando pace and now he sucks. Every year it's the same thing.

The only safe bet in the nfl draft are safties imo. With QB's, I would like to take a proven free agent back up...He is just abot the same as a rookie but he has been in the leauge for 2-3 years and he know the ropes somewhat. And you get him for a lot cheaper. Wide outs arent safe pics no more (detroit lions and atlanta falcons can attest to that). Line men are the same way with me. I would get a proven vet in free agency. Or i would draft with the plan to keep the lineman on the bench for the first year or 2 or have him in the backup capacity. I agree with the notion that a team starts with the o and d line but i just wouldnt get them as rookies. Let someone else test them out. Its a crap shoot. But if i were a gm i would trade picks for players like crazy. The last raiders team to go to a sb  was made up of free agent picks at every number one position. If kiffen runs the same offense as at SC the raiders need WRS that strecth the field. And a couple of bookend tackles. And a heady qb. All can be traded for or aquired in free agency. i would have liked to see jake plummer with moss & porter.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 09:02:08 AM
I dont see that happening for a couple reasons. Outside of the bucks any team who would want johnson would have to give up the farm in draft picks to make is worth Oaklands while to trade down. Even the bucks would have to surrender there 4th pick overall and 2 second rounders to make the value equal. Especially with Al Davis at the helm. The guy wanted a first rounder for Randy Moss this year. Dropping any lower then the bucks would run you the risk of not getting Brady, Jamarcus or Calvin. Detroit could use a QB, and Cleveland needs a QB. They would shit there pants if Jamarcus was on the board when they pick.To risky imo. Russel and Quinn could very well go to both those teams after The bucks took Johnson with the 1st. Oakland could go after a drew Stanton type in the second round, but any team who would be willing to trade up with them from the 5th pick on, would have to give up half there draft in picks to move up to number 1. There is also a huge contract requirement at number 1.

I think a more likley scenario would be Oakland taking Johnson with the first pick, then getting A drew Stanton with the first pick in the second round. They would need to sign a vet qb to do this. Culpepper is to injury prone. With Oaklans offensive line, I think signing a guy like Culpepper would be crazy. But Al is crazy, so I dont rule out anything.


There is a rumor the raiders want Matt Cassel (Bradys backup).


Hahaha,epic long winded nfl draft meltdown ;D ;D ;D
who do you want on tha Pats?
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 09:29:52 AM
Haha! Sorry for the long winded post! Just how I see the situation  ;) Since the pats draft best player available I dont really know who they will take. I would be happy if they picked with the 24th, then traded down the 28th for two second rounders. Or a 2007 second and a 2008 1st rounder. They have ten picks, so it is likley they trade down one of the two first rounders. Here is a big board I like.

These are the prospects that I am targeting for the Pats on Saturday. The higher the player, the higher he would be taken. With the exception of the olb/de's. The first three could all be taken in the first round or high second if they trade one of the pics down.

ILB
Patrick Willis, Ole Miss
David Harris, Michigan
Zak DeOssie, Brown       
Jon Abbate, Wake Forest
Desmond Bishop, Cal

OLB /Includes smaller DE's that can be converted in the 3/4

Paul Posluzsny, Penn State
Lamar Woodley, Michigan     
Anthony Spencer, Purdue
Tim Shaw, Penn State         
Dallas Sartz, USC                 

DE
Adam Carriker, Nebraska    1st round

S
Reggie Nelson, Florida
Brandon Meriweather, Miami
Michael Griffin, Texas
Josh Gattis, Wake Forest             
Eric Weddle, Utah
Sabby Piscitelli, Oregon State
Will Herring, Auburn

CB
Aaron Ross, Texas
Daymeion Hughes, Cal
Josh Wilson, Maryland         
AJ Davis, NC State
John Talley, Duke
David Irons, Auburn

WR
Jason Hill, Washington State
Chris Davis, Florida State
Chansi Stuckey, Clemson          4th - 7th round
David Clowney, VT
Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame
David Ball, New Hampshire

RB
Tony Hunt, Penn State
Lorenzo Booker, Florida state
Darius Walker, Notre Dame
Brian Leonard, Rutgers                   3rd to 7th round
Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois
Chris Henrey, Arizona

OT
Joe Staley                         

QB
Kevin Kolb, Houston
Jeff Rowe, Nevada
Jared Zabransky, Boise State       Late rounds/comp picks
Tyler Palko, Pittsburgh



Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 09:36:08 AM
The only safe bet in the nfl draft are safties imo. With QB's, I would like to take a proven free agent back up...He is just abot the same as a rookie but he has been in the leauge for 2-3 years and he know the ropes somewhat. And you get him for a lot cheaper. Wide outs arent safe pics no more (detroit lions and atlanta falcons can attest to that). Line men are the same way with me. I would get a proven vet in free agency. Or i would draft with the plan to keep the lineman on the bench for the first year or 2 or have him in the backup capacity. I agree with the notion that a team starts with the o and d line but i just wouldnt get them as rookies. Let someone else test them out. Its a crap shoot. But if i were a gm i would trade picks for players like crazy. The last raiders team to go to a sb  was made up of free agent picks at every number one position. If kiffen runs the same offense as at SC the raiders need WRS that strecth the field. And a couple of bookend tackles. And a heady qb. All can be traded for or aquired in free agency. i would have liked to see jake plummer with moss & porter.

Exactly, some guys are better to get as Free agents and QB's that you know might be better at this point. Jake and Moss and porter and someone like Ginn and a bunch of 2nd round picks would have been the way to go. Keep moving down until you can fill the most holes. Hell you know the redskins are dying to trade next years 1st and 2nd round as well as this years 1st to get Johnson, I would make that my first drop.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 09:40:58 AM
If they take Johnson, expect them to show interest in Matt Cassel via trade. If not they get a vet and wait it out until next year when he is a fa.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 09:43:24 AM
Exactly, some guys are better to get as Free agents and QB's that you know might be better at this point. Jake and Moss and porter and someone like Ginn and a bunch of 2nd round picks would have been the way to go. Keep moving down until you can fill the most holes. Hell you know the redskins are dying to trade next years 1st and 2nd round as well as this years 1st to get Johnson, I would make that my first drop.

This is a good tactic, but with the salary requirements of the number one, and how much it is worth in picks, there are very few teams (if any) that would be willing to do it. Who is out there the Raiders can pick up? Culpepper would die behind that offensive line.

They could go after Matt Cassel via trade.  Doubt the pats would do it tho.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 10:01:29 AM
This is a good tactic, but with the salary requirements of the number one, and how much it is worth in picks, there are very few teams (if any) that would be willing to do it. Who is out there the Raiders can pick up? Culpepper would die behind that offensive line.

They could go after Matt Cassel via trade.  Doubt the pats would do it tho.

Cassle is this years schuab. He has a few starts and looks good in pre season but no real experence but some team will cough up a 2nd round pick for him.

The redskins are very stupid regarding the draft and after that move the next slot is peterson and there are a couple of teams that want him. They could get down around 10 if they did not ask for the house and fill a ton more holes.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Option D on April 24, 2007, 10:05:42 AM
Exactly, some guys are better to get as Free agents and QB's that you know might be better at this point. Jake and Moss and porter and someone like Ginn and a bunch of 2nd round picks would have been the way to go. Keep moving down until you can fill the most holes. Hell you know the redskins are dying to trade next years 1st and 2nd round as well as this years 1st to get Johnson, I would make that my first drop.

That sounds really good.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 10:07:01 AM
Cassle is this years schuab. He has a few starts and looks good in pre season but no real experence but some team will cough up a 2nd round pick for him.

The redskins are very stupid regarding the draft and after that move the next slot is peterson and there are a couple of teams that want him. They could get down around 10 if they did not ask for the house and fill a ton more holes.

I get your logic. It makes perfect sense. I just cannot see Davis not asking for the house, and the cars!

Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 10:11:07 AM
I get your logic. It makes perfect sense. I just cannot see Davis not asking for the house.

See thats the problem with Jimmy Johnsons stupid chart, everybody is trying to make trades based on math not reality. It goes to something a car dealer once said, how do you know if the car you just bought was a good deal..If it was a good deal to you then it was a good deal.

I think this is going to go down as a depth draft. A bunch of good guys but between 16 and 45 all very close. why not try to get more then less. The first round is a crap shoot every year and the more you can get the better your chances. When everyone is on the clock and somebody is there that some other team thinks is the best and brightest then work the phones and do the deed no freaking chart.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 10:18:47 AM
See thats the problem with Jimmy Johnsons stupid chart, everybody is trying to make trades based on math not reality. It goes to something a car dealer once said, how do you know if the car you just bought was a good deal..If it was a good deal to you then it was a good deal.

I think this is going to go down as a depth draft. A bunch of good guys but between 16 and 45 all very close. why not try to get more then less. The first round is a crap shoot every year and the more you can get the better your chances. When everyone is on the clock and somebody is there that some other team thinks is the best and brightest then work the phones and do the deed no freaking chart.

You make a great point there. Not to mention the chart value changes year to year. Unfortunatly that chart is valuable to teams who want to maximize there picks. I can jus see Davis howling how much his pick is worth, and what it would take to get it.

A player may be worth more the to the pats or the eagles, then any other team due to each others respective system. I remeber when the pats took Logan Mankins people called it a reach. Fact is Mankins is going to be a pro bowl player and has been a contributer since day one in there system. He played at a all pro level last year, so to us he was worth the pick. I am sure you have examples of the same situation for your team.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 10:19:50 AM
Zak Deossie seems to be coming on.
with ties to the Jets,G-men,and Pats it will be interesting to see where he ends up.he's also a long snapper which is a plus.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 10:42:55 AM
Zak Deossie seems to be coming on.
with ties to the Jets,G-men,and Pats it will be interesting to see where he ends up.he's also a long snapper which is a plus.

He is best friends with Belichicks daughter. His father is on the big show on weei here in Boston. Steve is from Andover MA.

There was speculation Bill would not take him due to his close association with his daughter and the family. Could make for a hard situation if he had to cut. Although it could all be smoke and mirrors. I could see them taking him in the 4th round.

Zack has a rare blend of size and speed. He is still raw tho. He will need to be developed. But has a ton of upside. He faced no nfl caliber competition playing ivy ball which is what is keeping him our of the first 2 rounds.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
Zak Deossie seems to be coming on.
with ties to the Jets,G-men,and Pats it will be interesting to see where he ends up.he's also a long snapper which is a plus.
Who?
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 10:48:52 AM
Who?

Played for Brown. Rare blend of size and speed. Diomond in the rough type pick. His father Steve played for the pats. He is from Andover MA. Used to be a ball boy for the pats, lol.

Being compared to Vrabel........
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 10:50:16 AM
Played for Brown. his father Steve played in the nfl for the pats. He is from Andover MA. Used to be a ball boy for the pats lol.

OK to far down down the draft. I can only keep track of the first four rounds before my head spins off.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 10:53:14 AM
Played for Brown. Rare blend of size and speed. Diomond in the rough type pick. His father Steve played for the pats. He is from Andover MA. Used to be a ball boy for the pats, lol.

Being compared to Vrabel........



AHEM...also played for the Giants for a couple of years >:(
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 10:53:58 AM
OK to far down down the draft. I can only keep track of the first four rounds before my head spins off.

I hear ya. He is a 3rd to 6th round pick. He has a rare blend of size and speed. Outstanding athlete. He played in the ivy league tho, so he never has faced nfl caliber talent. Played a great shrine game which got people to notice him. Then did well at the combine. He is a developmental type guy with a ton of upside. Think of Mike Vrabel but faster.

The reason he could go earlier then projected is because he should be a special teams terror while he is being developed.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 10:54:36 AM

AHEM...also played for the Giants for a couple of years >:(

Ok ok.... He bled blue blood for a few years also ;) :D Steve and Fred Smerlis just opened a steak house here in MA. It is very good.

Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 11:07:45 AM
The Giants have some serious needs,lb,db,and a left tackle.
less serious TD,and wry.

I don't like the picks they have used on corners lately.
the guy who really intrigues me if everybody else is gone is
Chris Houston from Arkansas
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 11:20:38 AM
The Giants have some serious needs,lb,db,and a left tackle.
less serious TD,and wry.

I don't like the picks they have used on corners lately.
the guy who really intrigues me if everybody else is gone is
Chris Houston from Arkansas

Corners are like WR's that have gone retarded. They all act like there only job is to pick off balls and no need to tackle or support. You never know what your drafting. I would rather have a quiet hard playing middle round guy working to make it then someone from a big program with a chip on there shoulder. There are very few true shut down corners.

As for LB's I am not quite sold on this draft. Last year they talked about how great the class was but a 2nd round guy was the best. I think the same thing will happen this year.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 12:18:44 PM
Corners are like WR's that have gone retarded. They all act like there only job is to pick off balls and no need to tackle or support. You never know what your drafting. I would rather have a quiet hard playing middle round guy working to make it then someone from a big program with a chip on there shoulder. There are very few true shut down corners.

As for LB's I am not quite sold on this draft. Last year they talked about how great the class was but a 2nd round guy was the best. I think the same thing will happen this year.

I remember thinking who the hell is Asante Samuel when the pats took him in the fourth round in 03. Same thing for Wilson late in round 2.

Another thing people forget is that rookies tend to need a year to develope. Few rookies do more then contribute there first year. It is rare that a rookie steps in to a starters role for 16 games and becomes a impact player.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 12:32:09 PM
I remember thinking who the hell is Asante Samuel when the pats took him in the fourth round in 03. Same thing for Wilson late in round 2.

Another thing people forget is that rookies tend to need a year to develope. Few rookies do more then contribute there first year. It is rare that a rookie steps in to a starters role for 16 games and becomes a impact player.

I agree it's hard for rookies to adjust to the speed of the game and to find one that dominates from day one is really rare. 2nd or 3rd year you really start to see them come into there own. If you have a consistent staff that has a plan and goals and goes about filling holes before they become to bad is what really helps rookies. To many times people go quick fix and change staffs and then wonder why it does not change. The raiders are a great example. Pick a good couch and stay with them for 5 or 6 years and give them the help and support by drafting and free agency to build the team. All the great teams are build this way. Patriots,Eagles,Pittsburg,Denver,Seahawks all build thru the draft and keep the main staff together. The redskins/raiders/dolphins keep turning over and over and not advancing. Its not rocket science.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 12:44:34 PM
Well I admit it I'll be watching all day Saturday :-\,the 1rst and 2nd rounds anyway.
suppose to play golf in the morning but it might rain.
no rain I'll miss the first 10 picks or so,rain glued to the tv from 12 on :P
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 24, 2007, 12:53:38 PM
Well I admit it I'll be watching all day Saturday :-\,the 1rst and 2nd rounds anyway.
suppose to play golf in the morning but it might rain.
no rain I'll miss the first 10 picks or so,rain glued to the tv from 12 on :P

Sad but I have to work sat morning and then I will sit/lay/nap infront of the stupid over hyped event all frigging day sat and then a good part of Sun till I overdose.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 02:16:19 PM
I agree it's hard for rookies to adjust to the speed of the game and to find one that dominates from day one is really rare. 2nd or 3rd year you really start to see them come into there own. If you have a consistent staff that has a plan and goals and goes about filling holes before they become to bad is what really helps rookies. To many times people go quick fix and change staffs and then wonder why it does not change. The raiders are a great example. Pick a good couch and stay with them for 5 or 6 years and give them the help and support by drafting and free agency to build the team. All the great teams are build this way. Patriots,Eagles,Pittsburg,Denver,Seahawks all build thru the draft and keep the main staff together. The redskins/raiders/dolphins keep turning over and over and not advancing. Its not rocket science.

Good post....
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: MidniteRambo on April 24, 2007, 03:31:03 PM
Good post....

It sounds very close to what Collin Cowheard was saying this week about the draft.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 03:33:10 PM
Well I admit it I'll be watching all day Saturday :-\,the 1rst and 2nd rounds anyway.
suppose to play golf in the morning but it might rain.
no rain I'll miss the first 10 picks or so,rain glued to the tv from 12 on :P

Ditto... I will make a draft thread so we can all claim we knew our teams picks all along.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: pumpster on April 24, 2007, 04:00:55 PM


Another thing people forget is that rookies tend to need a year to develope. Few rookies do more then contribute there first year. It is rare that a rookie steps in to a starters role for 16 games and becomes a impact player.

Depends on position; some can step right in, others take a year or two or longer.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 24, 2007, 04:14:57 PM
Depends on position; some can step right in, others take a year or two or longer.

I agree. There are a few that can, but the vast majority contribute until they Develope into a 16 game starter.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 24, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
Ditto... I will make a draft thread so we can all claim we knew our teams picks all along.


Cool,I'm there!
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Oldschool Flip on April 24, 2007, 06:39:12 PM
Sad but I have to work sat morning and then I will sit/lay/nap infront of the stupid over hyped event all frigging day sat and then a good part of Sun till I overdose.
You're such a fucktard. ;D
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: jerseyhurricane on April 24, 2007, 07:26:12 PM
As a Eagles fan, we have gotten used to picking at the bottom half of the draft... ;D

Needs this draft ad S and CB

I would love Nelson from Florida but ain't gonna happen. More likely Griffen from Texas.

At CB there are a bunch of so so middle 1st round corners so depending on the run that will happen I think you could still get a good one in the 2nd round.

I also like Timmons from Florida state at LB this years Demarco Ryans.

I would like to get Leonard from Rutgers at FB/HB in the second round.


I would love for the Eagles to get Griffin...could be the next Dawkins.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: marinesgt on April 25, 2007, 09:14:42 AM
didn't the radiers say they wanted Jamarcus? what would happen if they got Daunte Culpepper and traded off Moss to some other team?would that help them even a little bit..Andrew Walter should just go play for either a CFL team, NFL Europe, or just go to Arena Football and try to be a big fish in a little pond..hell i'd just ask for a trade and be done with it all together...
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 25, 2007, 10:12:35 AM
didn't the radiers say they wanted Jamarcus? what would happen if they got Daunte Culpepper and traded off Moss to some other team?would that help them even a little bit..Andrew Walter should just go play for either a CFL team, NFL Europe, or just go to Arena Football and try to be a big fish in a little pond..hell i'd just ask for a trade and be done with it all together...

Al Davis is asking some ludicrous amount for Moss.Doubt he is going anywhere. The raiders could go after Culpepper , but he would prob be killed behind that offensive line they have. He is injury prone enough, behind that line he would be on ir in 4 min. I know they are rumored to have interest in Matt Cassel (Brady's backup). There are rumors Al Davis wants to win now. Winning now would = Calvin Johnson and a vet qb that can help them win. They are not to far off  from having a good team. The defense is very good. They need help on there O line and a playmaker rb. They ob would have a sick set of receivers if they had Johnson Moss and Porter in one unit. The Cassel situation would be perfect for them. Prototypical size,smart, young, backing up/learning behind one of the greatrest qbs ever. Cassel never really has gotten a shot since he backed up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart at USC, and now backs a HOF player in Tom Brady. I have seen him play, he has potential to be a good NFL qb. Only problem is I doubt the pats let him go. JaMarcus would be the smart choice for the future if the raiders choose to go that route.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Option D on April 25, 2007, 10:21:41 AM
Al Davis is asking some ludicrous amount for Moss.Doubt he is going anywhere. The raiders could go after Culpepper , but he would prob be killed behind that offensive line they have. He is injury prone enough, behind that line he would be on ir in 4 min. I know they are rumored to have interest in Matt Cassel (Brady's backup). There are rumors Al Davis wants to win now. Winning now would = Calvin Johnson and a vet qb that can help them win. They are not to far off  from having a good team. The defense is very good. They need help on there O line and a playmaker rb. They ob would have a sick set of receivers if they had Johnson Moss and Porter in one unit. The Cassel situation would be perfect for them. Prototypical size,smart, young, backing up/learning behind one of the greatrest qbs ever. Cassel never really has gotten a shot since he backed up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart at USC, and now backs a HOF player in Tom Brady. I have seen him play, he has potential to be a good NFL qb. Only problem is I doubt the pats let him go. JaMarcus would be the smart choice for the future if the raiders choose to go that route.
Hey body..on the horn with al davis...said he has a opening at gm for you...na im playin. but you brought some good ideas. On paper what you say is awsome...I would have rather Jake Plummer as the free agent pick up (cheaper than cassel and he can move a bit which im sure he will have to do in oak.) He has a strong arm and can get the ball downfield but he also makes some crazy throws, but i think it wouldnt matter because if oak had johnson and moss he could be able to make reckless throws because they will make amazing catches.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 25, 2007, 12:23:31 PM
Damn,it seems everybody wants Calvin Johnson.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 26, 2007, 06:27:48 AM
Damn,it seems everybody wants Calvin Johnson.

He is the most ready and will upgrade any unit he goes to..well except the raiders..there just is no hope there.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: jerseyhurricane on April 26, 2007, 02:51:12 PM
Like I said I hope the Eagles get Griffin in the first round, but I'm hoping they fullback Brian Leonard from Rutgers in the second round...Wishful thinking I guess.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 27, 2007, 06:09:06 AM
Like I said I hope the Eagles get Griffin in the first round, but I'm hoping they fullback Brian Leonard from Rutgers in the second round...Wishful thinking I guess.
You never know how andy is going to go..could swerve you and pick up another OL.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 27, 2007, 06:35:09 AM
Last night ESPN had the Gmen taking Staley,Lt from Central Michigan.
if Reggie Nelson is gone I can't complain.
hopefully in the later rounds they gram some Lb and corner help.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: CalvinH on April 27, 2007, 12:13:54 PM
2 Papers locally have the G-men taking John Beason.Lb,Miami
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 28, 2007, 06:50:17 AM
Just a couple more hours!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: body88 on April 28, 2007, 07:40:34 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: Always Sore on April 28, 2007, 07:49:50 AM
Started the morning watching ESPN and read the paper. After I get done with some work at the office its back home and my spot in front of the TV. Wife is picking me up a sub for lunch so I am set. Should only miss the first or second pick..I know thats when the trading starts but I think there is going to be a ton of movement today.I have been reading every mock draft on the internet and after the top five it's a crapshoot. I just would like to see the eagles end the first day with a good S and CB and possiable a big FB/HB to pound the ball late in games.
Title: Re: The NFL draft thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2007, 09:48:09 AM
should the bucs grab quinn?