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bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan
he went to war..against/regardless of congress
he's broken geniva convention laws
didn't sign the kyoto treaty
thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)
is convinced he is absolutely right (so are the taliban)
bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)
soo...
is this a democracy?
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Isn't it obvious?
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My questions are as follows and I think they are valid ones.
If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?
If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?
How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.
Which Geneva Convention laws regarding unlawful combatants did the United States violate? If he did break International law then see my first question.
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If it were a dictatorship, Rosie O'Fat and the rest of the Hollywood left would have been executed long ago!
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obviously ya didn't notice the word "hidden" and jumped ahead with repb responces with prissy angst..yanno that kinda noise a fag makes when he comes.. :)
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My questions are as follows and I think they are valid ones.
If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?
Hmmm... interesting. I suppose a hidden dictatorship could account for that. wouldn't you agree?
If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?
I wasn't aware he UN Security council authorized the iraq invasion.
Decisions that may or may not have been made by the rubberstamp known as congress, were done so on the basis of doctored intelligence, aka cherry picked lies whose sole purpose was to deceive.
How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.
Again, the hidden dictatorship theory would account for this as well?
Which Geneva Convention laws regarding unlawful combatants did the United States violate? If he did break International law then see my first question.
He is the decider. :)
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obviously ya didn't notice the word "hidden" and jumped ahead with repb responces with prissy angst..yanno that kinda noise a fag makes when he comes.. :)
LOL
If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?
He lied to them.
If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?
Because of people like you.
How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.
That's debatable.
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i gotta visit you one day and show you its possible to fuck white chickx without sucking repb cock man...
honest...seriously..fo free without paying for it...even brownie hating jap bitches..i swear..be my grasshoppa..i'll be your yoda..
and you wont even have to be an asshole like jimmy to get sum..you can be nice..and honest..and have your way...its possible..i'm living proof :)
just gotta have great hair ;D
I think you misread my post, Junaid. I was being critical of w8tlftr. I probably should have put his stuff in quotes and not bold.
Oh, and what the hell are you talking about? I don't care for "white chickx" :-\ I'd rather bang one of your cousins.
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I'd rather bang one of your cousins.
ewww...most of em aren't all that...i mean ewww..bleh..
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ewww...most of em aren't all that...i mean ewww..bleh..
You should apologize to me for the misunderstanding, mate.
I don't care.. I just want a decent face, thin and a similar complexion to you or myself. I'm not really in any game right now.. just straight porn. ;D
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obviously ya didn't notice the word "hidden" and jumped ahead with repb responces with prissy angst..yanno that kinda noise a fag makes when he comes.. :)
You know, you raises some interesting points in this thread.
You really do.
But you somehow manage to steer off due to your lust to come across as "rebel" or "cool" or whatever.
No need for that. Just post your opinions. The other material, it's getting kind of... old, yanno..
Let me address some of the points in your first post:
bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan
he went to war..against/regardless of congress
He had the support of the congress.
A lot of congressmen from both parties are getting heat for backing Bush, I think you've seen that.
he's broken geniva convention laws
Doesn't mean USA is a hidden dictatorship. The effects of a hidden dictatorship are mainly seen domestically.
didn't sign the kyoto treaty
True. But in no way does this support the claim that USA is a hidden dictatorship. The decision to sign or not to sign was the president's.
thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)
Very bizarre. But has nothing to do with whether USA is a hidden dictatorship or not.
is convinced he is absolutely right (so are the taliban)
It certainly seems like that. But once again, has nothing to do with a hidden dictatorship or not.
bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)
Nothing in this suggests that USA is a hidden dictatorship.
soo...
is this a democracy?
Of course. A lousy president. But a democracy? Without a doubt.
There are problems with the US democracy, eg prisoners or certain former prisoners aren't allowed to vote, but USA is in all essence a democracy.
You raise an interesting point however, that very few are holding the President accountable. Or at least, have for many years. The US system is based on checks and balances. The checks and balance of the president have been invisible the last few years, as have the media.
Only recently have these outlets started to do their job.
-Hedge
-Hedge
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You know, you raises some interesting points in this thread.
You really do.
But you somehow manage to steer off due to your lust to come across as "rebel" or "cool" or whatever.
you read 2 much into me.. :-\
relax..stop trying so hard to be improbable..
and mabe you'll find that you r practicle
cheers
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LOL
If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?
He lied to them.
If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?
Because of people like you.
How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.
That's debatable.
You forgot about the other typical Lib response........"It's about the oil" ::)!!
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You forgot about the other typical Lib response........"It's about the oil" ::)!!
Joe,
Bush stood in the rose garden in December and said that the US *must* control Iraqi oil for our long term sustainability as a nation. He went on to say that they cannot control pricing and selling - we have to do that for them - to ensure we can get it at a price we want.
I support the war because our nation needs it to set up the bases and pipeline in iraq to manage their oil. We need it for our economy. The current chaos is actually GOOD for us - because once there is peace, the US has to leave. When we finish setting up, we will leave.
it's not about 'protecting the poor iraqi people'. It's about oil - which our nation needs. It's not a "lib" response - it's an economics response. And no one denies it anymore, Joe. Our leaders make it clear we are there to manage Iraqi oil.
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Joe,
Bush stood in the rose garden in December and said that the US *must* control Iraqi oil for our long term sustainability as a nation. He went on to say that they cannot control pricing and selling - we have to do that for them - to ensure we can get it at a price we want.
I support the war because our nation needs it to set up the bases and pipeline in iraq to manage their oil. We need it for our economy. The current chaos is actually GOOD for us - because once there is peace, the US has to leave. When we finish setting up, we will leave.
it's not about 'protecting the poor iraqi people'. It's about oil - which our nation needs. It's not a "lib" response - it's an economics response. And no one denies it anymore, Joe. Our leaders make it clear we are there to manage Iraqi oil.
I would have to disagree with this - certainly the oil will help in the short term, but in the long term it's about control. Feuls can be developed from grain and other plant products but it is not cost effect at the moment, if real money was put into it economic alternatives could be found. The reason the technology is not being developed has probably got more to do with controlling a resource where the person who owns the oil field has a monopoly. If we develop alternatives this monopoly would be harder to enforce - after all anyone can grow grains in a field. The control of the oil is simply a medium term measure to maintain a stranglehold on the market.
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I pray none of you are American, because not one person in this thread understands the nature of American Government. America is not a democracy and it is not a dictatorship(at least not yet). It is a constitutional democracy; a government consisting of elected representatives upholding the rule of law as set forth in the constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic
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I pray none of you are American, because not one person in this thread understands the nature of American Government. America is not a democracy and it is not a dictatorship(at least not yet). It is a constitutional democracy; a government consisting of elected representatives upholding the rule of law as set forth in the constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic
since when? ???
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Joe,
Bush stood in the rose garden in December and said that the US *must* control Iraqi oil for our long term sustainability as a nation. He went on to say that they cannot control pricing and selling - we have to do that for them - to ensure we can get it at a price we want.
I support the war because our nation needs it to set up the bases and pipeline in iraq to manage their oil. We need it for our economy. The current chaos is actually GOOD for us - because once there is peace, the US has to leave. When we finish setting up, we will leave.
it's not about 'protecting the poor iraqi people'. It's about oil - which our nation needs. It's not a "lib" response - it's an economics response. And no one denies it anymore, Joe. Our leaders make it clear we are there to manage Iraqi oil.
As long as there is chaos in Iraq, the economy there will be ineffective, and that's not capitalistically sound.
Any capitalist will tell you that the state of peace is most efficient for the world economy, and for a nation's economy, ie USA would be better off if there was more peace and LESS chaos in the world.
As far as the oil resources goes: USA is also better off with NOT controlling another country's oil, because it would force USA to make both technological improvements as well as trade improvements internationally.
Those would be long-term solutions which would cause possible giant leaps in the US economy:
What if all cars in 10 years had an alternative energy source? How would that affect the US economy, and the US society as a whole?
If USA leeches Iraq for oil, what will happen to the Iraqi economy, and how do you think the public in that area will react to that? And would you blame them for it?
There are so many reasons why USA should give 100% control of the oil to the Iraqi people. Foreign relations being one of them.
-Hedge
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I have to agree with hedge.
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bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan
he went to war..against/regardless of congress
he's broken geniva convention laws
didn't sign the kyoto treaty
thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)
is convinced he is absolutely right (so are the taliban)
bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)
soo...
is this a democracy?
My goodness, when will democrats quit crying about Florida. Its hysterical. You lost, deal with it bubba.
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The poster of this thread should have lived In Iraq with Saddam in power, he then would know what a true dictatorship is all about.
America? Fuck son, this is disneyland.
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Excellent point, democracy seems to be doing wonders for these people ::)
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Excellent point, democracy seems to be doing wonders for these people ::)
Things were not to hunky dory here when we separated from england, some things take time.
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My goodness, when will democrats quit crying about Florida. Its hysterical. You lost, deal with it bubba.
the dems DID win in Ohio in 2004. And the republicans sued to prevent the paper ballots from being counted. in fact, it's STILL being fought in the courts. Republicans want them destroyed, Dems want them counted. Statistically, there is a 1 in 50,000 chance that the recount will show Bush won. There is also a 49,999 in 50,000 chance that Kerry will have more votes.
perhaps someday we'll know. And of course the job is Bush's to keep. But I wouldn't mock people who want all the votes counted. If Hilary cheats her way into office in 2008, I have a feeling a few of the people who poo-poo'ed all this talk now, will suddenly get very interested in vote legitimacy ;)
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Things were not to hunky dory here when we separated from england, some things take time.
Drawing a parallel between a tributary nation revolting from an imperial power and a sovereign nation being effectively annexed by one; how stupid can you be...
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Drawing a parallel between a tributary nation revolting from an imperial power and a sovereign nation being effectively annexed by one; how stupid can you be...
not as stupid as you, nor as big a sadsack as you seem to be.
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the dems DID win in Ohio in 2004. And the republicans sued to prevent the paper ballots from being counted. in fact, it's STILL being fought in the courts. Republicans want them destroyed, Dems want them counted. Statistically, there is a 1 in 50,000 chance that the recount will show Bush won. There is also a 49,999 in 50,000 chance that Kerry will have more votes.
perhaps someday we'll know. And of course the job is Bush's to keep. But I wouldn't mock people who want all the votes counted. If Hilary cheats her way into office in 2008, I have a feeling a few of the people who poo-poo'ed all this talk now, will suddenly get very interested in vote legitimacy ;)
sure....
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If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?
He lied to them.
Then so did the previoius administration.
If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?
Because of people like you.
Wow. I didn't know I had that much power and influence. Thanks for the heads up. ::)
How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.
That's debatable.
Would it have been debatable if Algore had won the recount?
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1-The US has a form of government known as a republic;
2-The US government does use extreme violence in foreign affairs;
3-The US government does invade sovereign countries;
4-The US government tortures;
5-The US government has, is and will break UN resolutions until someone puts a stop to it.
Et cetera.
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If some here feel it's a dictatorship, then tell it to all the illegal immigrants and maybe they'll leave. ;D
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1-The US has a form of government known as a republic;
2-The US government does use extreme violence in foreign affairs;
3-The US government does invade sovereign countries;
4-The US government tortures;
5-The US government has, is and will break UN resolutions until someone puts a stop to it.
Et cetera.
Fvck the UN.
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If it were a dictatorship, Rosie O'Fat and the rest of the Hollywood left would have been executed long ago!
Hey, how's it going Mr. Hate? Did you kill anyone today? If not, how many times did you punch the wall or pound your fists on the steering wheel because there are people in the US that aren't exactly like you?
Enjoy that ulcer.
This administration clearly doesn't care about certain areas of the Constitution, it's clearly not a dictatorship but it's willingness to trample personal freedoms is troubling to say the least.
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Fvck the UN.
I disagree. The UN has its (great) problems, but its a forum where nations can meet and discuss. It has undoubtely helped bringing our world closer in the last 50 years. I hope it can continue do that, and hopefully it can develop further.
We have to prevent a 3rd world war. A 3rd world war could very well be the end of the world. UN can't prevent it on its own, but it's a start, and a part of the solution, not the problem.
USA, as the leading nation in the world, the superpower, needs to play an active part in UN.
-Hedge
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I disagree. The UN has its (great) problems, but its a forum where nations can meet and discuss. It has undoubtely helped bringing our world closer in the last 50 years. I hope it can continue do that, and hopefully it can develop further.
We have to prevent a 3rd world war. A 3rd world war could very well be the end of the world. UN can't prevent it on its own, but it's a start, and a part of the solution, not the problem.
USA, as the leading nation in the world, the superpower, needs to play an active part in UN.
-Hedge
Thats hard to do after Germany and France spit in our face. Screw the UN, its useless, they wanted to let Iraq continue to ignore the resolutions.
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Thats hard to do after Germany and France spit in our face. Screw the UN, its useless, they wanted to let Iraq continue to ignore the resolutions.
You are incorrect.
Don't believe the hype, that's all I'm saying.
Germany and France were never in favor of letting Iraq ignoring resolutions.
After all, UN had inspectors all throughout Iraq, searching for WMD's.
During the cold war, the UN was a forum for USA and the Soviet Union to meet and discuss, althoug they were a world apart.
UN is a good thing. But it will only be a force with backing from the most powerful and important nation in the world.
-Hedge
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You are incorrect.
Don't believe the hype, that's all I'm saying.
Germany and France were never in favor of letting Iraq ignoring resolutions.
After all, UN had inspectors all throughout Iraq, searching for WMD's.
During the cold war, the UN was a forum for USA and the Soviet Union to meet and discuss, althoug they were a world apart.
UN is a good thing. But it will only be a force with backing from the most powerful and important nation in the world.
-Hedge
and the inspectors were often tossed out at gunpoint and allowed back in a month or two later.
Why does that not bother you?
If they had to give a drug dealer a few weeks notice to search his house, you think they would find drugs?
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I pray none of you are American, because not one person in this thread understands the nature of American Government. America is not a democracy and it is not a dictatorship(at least not yet). It is a constitutional democracy; a government consisting of elected representatives upholding the rule of law as set forth in the constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic
lol ... that would have been a great post sasha but you ment constitutional republic :D
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My questions are as follows and I think they are valid ones.
If Bush is guilty of all of the accusations you have listed why hasn't he been arrested?
If Bush is guilty of war crimes isn't the UN Security and US Congress also guilty for authorizing military action against Iraq?
How can Bush have lost Florida when the recounts stated otherwise. Even the recounts from such liberal newspapers like the Miami Herald came to the same conclusion.
Which Geneva Convention laws regarding unlawful combatants did the United States violate? If he did break International law then see my first question.
The remedy at hand for Bush's violation of FISA and illegal use of force in Iraq is impeachment. Impeachment is a quasi-judicial proceeding where politics plays a huge role. In short, the votes aren't there to impeach him b/c of the strong republican presence in Congress.
First Congress authorized Bush to use force if necessary to make sure Iraq showed compliance w/ Res 1441 or to disarm Iraq by force. Bush went to the UN to ask for authorization to enforce Res. 1441 (WMD inspections of Iraq). The WMD inspectors were let into Iraq in 2002. They were finding nothing. Bush misused his authority and violated Res. 1441 when he ordered the attack of Iraq before WMDs were discovered and before the UN security council could authorize such a use of force. Only Bush broke the law by misusing his authority.
All florida recounts do not show Bush won. That's not the most pressing issue anyway. The appearance of impropriety in our voting is the matter. Privatized touchscreen voting machines w/out paper trails owned by dyed-in-the-wool republicans, scrubbing of voter rolls by K. Harris, mob coercion of the recount by republican thugs and a supreme court decision that was corrupt (see Vincent Buliosi's account in "None Dare Call it Treason" and he is not some liberal apologist.
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I disagree. The UN has its (great) problems, but its a forum where nations can meet and discuss. It has undoubtely helped bringing our world closer in the last 50 years. I hope it can continue do that, and hopefully it can develop further.
We have to prevent a 3rd world war. A 3rd world war could very well be the end of the world. UN can't prevent it on its own, but it's a start, and a part of the solution, not the problem.
USA, as the leading nation in the world, the superpower, needs to play an active part in UN.
-Hedge
Sorry, Hedge, I disagree.
Not a big fan of 'world government'.
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Sorry, Hedge, I disagree.
Not a big fan of 'world government'.
What you have to admit is that we need diplomacy and cooperation with other nations. No one's saying there needs to be a world government or something like the European Union.
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What you have to admit is that we need diplomacy and cooperation with other nations. No one's saying there needs to be a world government or something like the European Union.
You're absolutely right. I'm critical for everyone we get along with our neighbors, however, I think their goals are not in the best interest of the United States.
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You're absolutely right. I'm critical for everyone we get along with our neighbors, however, I think their goals are not in the best interest of the United States.
Of course. That's why I hate the idea of a north american union.. It would be a huge mistake.
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and the inspectors were often tossed out at gunpoint and allowed back in a month or two later.
Why does that not bother you?
If they had to give a drug dealer a few weeks notice to search his house, you think they would find drugs?
It doesn't work that way. there's no disguising the signature of nukes. If he had them and tried to move them, the inspectors would have known even months after the fact. he didn't have anything.
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It doesn't work that way. there's no disguising the signature of nukes. If he had them and tried to move them, the inspectors would have known even months after the fact. he didn't have anything.
who said it was nukes? chemical weapons?
and even if he had nothing, the tossing out inspectors only added to the thinking he did have something.
So quit blaming Bush, Saddam asked for it and he got it.
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As far as the oil resources goes: USA is also better off with NOT controlling another country's oil, because it would force USA to make both technological improvements as well as trade improvements internationally.
we are doing an excellent job of that!
What if all cars in 10 years had an alternative energy source? How would that affect the US economy, and the US society as a whole?
we already have em...wont happen..
If USA leeches Iraq for oil, what will happen to the Iraqi economy, and how do you think the public in that area will react to that? And would you blame them for it?
what iraqi economy..you r talking like we have already stabilized the area...economy my ass
how would the public react?..well right now they r running around trying not to die.
no i don blame anyone for not wanting to die.
There are so many reasons why USA should give 100% control of the oil to the Iraqi people. Foreign relations being one of them.
i think we sunk the foriegn relations boat a while back...and give 100% control to iraq? so ya actually BELIEVE the whole WMD fiasco...and we went in to free the iraqis..
move ova mother teresa..there is a new philanthropist in town..
although his philanthropy do be telescopic in nature! :)
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The poster of this thread should have lived In Iraq with Saddam in power, he then would know what a true dictatorship is all about.
America? Fuck son, this is disneyland.
we have killed by now MORE people in iraq than saddam ever did.
aint freedom great!
btw exactly what magic # of people did saddam have to kill for us to go to war againt him..i mean he ws friends with us back in the day.
120,922 killed by saddam..fiine by us
120,923 ..uh ooo..now ya gone done it we must free the iraqi people..find weapons of mass destruction..kill al queda..gawddamn a whole host of goodies in one invasion!
bush sure does care a lot about muslim people :)
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It doesn't work that way. there's no disguising the signature of nukes. If he had them and tried to move them, the inspectors would have known even months after the fact. he didn't have anything.
repbs dont believe in radioactive decay :-\ err science
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Good posts, Junaid. You're steering clear of the whole trying to come off as tough thing and making very valid posts with excellent arguements. I am proud of you. :D
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lol ... that would have been a great post sasha but you ment constitutional republic :D
Clearly an oversight, much like will transpire the next time you call at 4am for bail money :P
I am disheartened that in spite of my previous post informing this board about the true nature of American government, not one of you understands the fundamental difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic.
Democracy means athenian or direct democracy; That is to say a nation whose decision making process is directly in the hands of the people and not elected representatives. Imagine every decision being a referendum. Obviously this is not practical in a nation with over 200m eligible voters, even if there is only a 35 percent voter turnout.
A constitutional republic means elected representatives legislate based on the constitution, this is the how modern democracy manifests itself, but it is not democracy in the classic sense of the word.
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IMHO, America is a democracy which functions inside a structure set forth by a small quiet group who doesn't take suggestions when it comes to longterm US interests.
In other words, this group would decide 20 years ago that we'll be grabbing middle eastern oil in 2007, and let those elected deal with teh day to day mgmt. They keep us from allowing short term horizon issues in the popularity contests known as presidential elections, get into the way of multi-decade trends and activities.
It's necessary to ensure nobody dose anything stupid that hurts our LT position, just to keep a 4 year job..
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Do you think it would be wise to leave existential decisions up to the general population? Before you answer read over the comments from members on this board as a random sampling of mean American intellect; other than yourself and perhaps Berserker nobody has that requisite capacity to understand the issues they would theoretically be resolving.
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Do you think it would be wise to leave existential decisions up to the general population? Before you answer read over the comments from members on this board as a random sampling of mean American intellect; other than yourself and perhaps Berserker nobody has that requisite capacity to understand the issues they would theoretically be resolving.
I believe that the average citizen CANNOT begin to understand the longterm resource and logistical/positional issues facing our country. I have an MBA and an undergrad in history, and I can barely understand scratching the surface of the issues- economics and history. Seriously, it boggles the mind. Not enough oil to run the world, everyone is borrowing beyond earning, everything is being financed, coups are continual to keep friends in office who give us advantages at their resources, oil oil oil...
I enjoy looking at it, but I'll never understand a fraction of it. I DO know that there is a group of agencies that ensures our leaders do whatever it takes to keep momentum on our side, and to ensure we're the only superpower- and it IS working. Without it, you'd have a kuscinish winning the presidency, ending the war, creating a vacuum that Iran/China fills, and our economy unravels.
however, to answer your question, there is no way the average american has a clue. On top of it, when you mention it, they reply with a 4th grade insult, usually calling you crazy or rolling their eyes. You see it here from grown men in decent fields - they believe the bucks stops at the white house and every 4 years, longterm US goals and interests reset. That's naive, and they are dumb.
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Good posts, Junaid. You're steering clear of the whole trying to come off as tough thing and making very valid posts with excellent arguements. I am proud of you. :D
i NEVER try to come across as anything at any point...if i did dont ya think i'd kiss more ass on the vagina board? orrr try to be more tough by posting less poems?
i'm ME always...let the cards fall where they may
now..
your preception of me is dictated by YOUROWN person.
..think about dat ;)
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In other words, this group would decide 20 years ago that we'll be grabbing middle eastern oil in 2007, and let those elected deal with teh day to day mgmt. They keep us from allowing short term horizon issues in the popularity contests known as presidential elections, get into the way of multi-decade trends and activities.
DING, DING, DING!!!
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/trophy.jpg)
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IMHO, America is a democracy which functions inside a structure set forth by a small quiet group who doesn't take suggestions when it comes to longterm US interests.
In other words, this group would decide 20 years ago that we'll be grabbing middle eastern oil in 2007, and let those elected deal with teh day to day mgmt. They keep us from allowing short term horizon issues in the popularity contests known as presidential elections, get into the way of multi-decade trends and activities.
It's necessary to ensure nobody dose anything stupid that hurts our LT position, just to keep a 4 year job...
Are you suggesting the existence of a separate body of power, not observed in the Constitution, that works "in the shadow" and is solely responsible for long term foreign policy, with powers above and beyond that of our presidente? Council of Foreign Relations?
I think that once a president goes into office, the cake is basically already cut, and he/she (or he-she of course) gets to enforce, possibly, 15% of that policy. I also believe that when the Commander in Chief puts his hands on an out-of-reach subjects (like universal health care) someone lets him know that the Fav-4 dont like that (Kennedy found out the hard way guess). Policy is really set when they go into office, and (I guess) this is why democrat or republican administrations seem suspiciously similar in their ways, differing only on shallow subjects.
What I think is particularly worrysome is that things have changed for the worst decision-wise. We no longer have the Edisons or Einsteins to get us out of this predicament. And God knows that when you leave foreign policy to a group of senile individuals... Let's just say that the anger brough about, in part, by the inhability to get a decent hard-on, is eventually transferred to the policy, culminating in gross errors like Iraq or Viet Nam.
The big difference? None of them is willing to take the fault.
Bye.
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I can't speak on most of the things you said there, I just do not know, nor do i have the interest to learn. Some scabs you just don't pick!
I do believe that a system is in place to make sure one guy doesn't get into office and fck up 50 years of work to keep his job for another 4 years.
It has to be there to ensure longterm things - like food, energy, medicine, education, agriculture, etc, are able to grow according to plan without some nutjob getting into office and creating problems that we cannot undo.
Sounds like JFK (threatening to disassemble the CIA and stop entry into vietnam) butted heads with this group. We know how that ended, and we know that every president since has done what has been asked of him.
And think about JFK... if he HAD ended the CIA, I bet we would be in WAY worse shape, resource wise, in the world TODAY. All the quiet ops in the 70s, 80s, and 90s which gave the US advantages - we would have NONE of that. And without the good work they do - would USSR have won the Colr War? Probably.
So would JFK had - incredibly - hurt 2007 America greatly by dismantling it? I think the answer is yes. This quiet group just "does its thing" and keeps the place running without us ever knowing.
Interesting, scary, and needed all at the same time!
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240, It's already too late for you... sucking up now at this juncture won't help you.
You've already opened up too many people's eyes to the truth about 911.
HH6 has already picked out your cell at Gitmo. :D
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LOL... what spf should I bring? I don't want to get a sunburn.
911 is the elephant in every room now. Everyone knows it and everyone is scared to comment on it for fear of ending up being labeled a nut or a traitor for the simple act of asking why a skyscraper fell. Didja see the slip of Therea heinz Kerry starting nodding the instant they mentioned thermate when Kerry was being asked about it? LOL...
9/11 is a sad day in our nation's history. It really is the JFK of our generation. Everybody knows and the guilty know if they don't comment on it, and just wait it out, people stop caring.
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LOL... what spf should I bring? I don't want to get a sunburn.
911 is the elephant in every room now. Everyone knows it and everyone is scared to comment on it for fear of ending up being labeled a nut or a traitor for the simple act of asking why a skyscraper fell. Didja see the slip of Therea heinz Kerry starting nodding the instant they mentioned thermate when Kerry was being asked about it? LOL...
9/11 is a sad day in our nation's history. It really is the JFK of our generation. Everybody knows and the guilty know if they don't comment on it, and just wait it out, people stop caring.
what did you make of the bridge that collapsed due to the fire melting the metal?
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what did you make of the bridge that collapsed due to the fire melting the metal?
I noticed the parts of the bridge didn't convert to powder before hitting the ground ;)
great fuel store burning, bridge metal softened and fell. Look at the pic - it doesn't *vaporize* as everything did on 9/11.
On 9/11, everything in all 3 buildings was converted to talcum powder sized concrete BEFORE it hit the ground. It was a dadburn miracle!
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I noticed the parts of the bridge didn't convert to powder before hitting the ground ;)
great fuel store burning, bridge metal softened and fell. Look at the pic - it doesn't *vaporize* as everything did on 9/11.
On 9/11, everything in all 3 buildings was converted to talcum powder sized concrete BEFORE it hit the ground. It was a dadburn miracle!
do you have a picture of the "talcum powder?"
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do you have a picture of the "talcum powder?"
Do your research. It was 100 mc. sized particles that flooded the NY streets in those giant pyroclastic clouds. Seriously, do yourself a service and research this.
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Do you think it would be wise to leave existential decisions up to the general population? Before you answer read over the comments from members on this board as a random sampling of mean American intellect; other than yourself and perhaps Berserker nobody has that requisite capacity to understand the issues they would theoretically be resolving.
Great post, its always amused me that some folks here actually think they would make better decisions if they were in the oval office, more likely they would pee in their pants all day every day.
I know one thing, the Al Quaeda leader would probably be elected president if some here made decisions. Hell some here would probably lower the flag to half mast every time an insurgent was killed.
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Do your research. It was 100 mc. sized particles that flooded the NY streets in those giant pyroclastic clouds. Seriously, do yourself a service and research this.
Well I would expect that to happen. Cement itself will pass a No. 200 sieve (water won't even do that). So in a crash of concrete there would be a very fine dust in the air. I just want to see a picture of the pile of talcum powder that was all that was left after the building collapsed.
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Well I would expect that to happen. Cement itself will pass a No. 200 sieve (water won't even do that). So in a crash of concrete there would be a very fine dust in the air. I just want to see a picture of the pile of talcum powder that was all that was left after the building collapsed.
This is the remnants of th building. Just google 'wtc7 pile' in google images and see many more.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/9_16_pic05.jpg
the concrete from the building was converted to those giant dust clouds containing microscopic talcum-sized particles of concrete which flowed thru the streets. They left piles all over the city.
And you can look at ANY OTHER "CONCRETE CRASH" in history and see that the buildings don't powderize - they land in piles of solid concrete.
google building collapse and look at the pics. They're piles of floors, desks, walls, etc. In the case of 9/11, the buildings were converted to dust.
I'm pretty much retired from arguing WTC7 for hours - if you research it, you will learn that no building in history has ever fallen like this from plain ol fires.
8 second video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
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just when you think it can't get any funnier, 240 posts something else.
I'm gonna call Jack from 24 and get him on the case! He will have all this figured out in 24 hours.
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hahaha
dude, look at the massiveness of this building, and just how isolated the fires were.
I really see why the 911 commission never addressed WTC7. Anything they released would have been an obvious lie!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5604260445787335188&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
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hahaha
dude, look at the massiveness of this building, and just how isolated the fires were.
I really see why the 911 commission never addressed WTC7. Anything they released would have been an obvious lie!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5604260445787335188&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
sure
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hahaha
dude, look at the massiveness of this building, and just how isolated the fires were.
I really see why the 911 commission never addressed WTC7. Anything they released would have been an obvious lie!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5604260445787335188&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
remember..repb christians dont believe in science.
either that or the muslims have it right and islam is actually the true faith cause it sure took an act of god/allah to get a buncha inexperienced muslims with no flying experience to pull of the greatest terrorism attack against the biggest army on this planet
either that...or, our army are a bunch of dumbfucks..apparently everyone ws sleeping that day..yet we level iraq in week :-\
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Do you think it would be wise to leave existential decisions up to the general population? Before you answer read over the comments from members on this board as a random sampling of mean American intellect; other than yourself and perhaps Berserker nobody has that requisite capacity to understand the issues they would theoretically be resolving.
We don't have a direct democracy in this country. We have a representative form of government instead of a direct democracy.
The best example of a direct democracy is the lynch mob.
An indirect democracy allows cooler, more informed heads to prevail while still preserving constitutional considerations and the voice of the people: governance by consent of the governed.
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We don't have a direct democracy in this country. We have a representative form of government instead of a direct democracy.
The best example of a direct democracy is the lynch mob.
An indirect democracy allows cooler, more informed heads to prevail while still preserving constitutional considerations and the voice of the people: governance by consent of the governed.
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Clearly an oversight, much like will transpire the next time you call at 4am for bail money :P
I am disheartened that in spite of my previous post informing this board about the true nature of American government, not one of you understands the fundamental difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic.
Democracy means athenian or direct democracy; That is to say a nation whose decision making process is directly in the hands of the people and not elected representatives. Imagine every decision being a referendum. Obviously this is not practical in a nation with over 200m eligible voters, even if there is only a 35 percent voter turnout.
A constitutional republic means elected representatives legislate based on the constitution, this is the how modern democracy manifests itself, but it is not democracy in the classic sense of the word.
at least teh 3 of us understand what the deal is ... sad nobody else seems to get this important distinction
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Clearly an oversight, much like will transpire the next time you call at 4am for bail money :P
I am disheartened that in spite of my previous post informing this board about the true nature of American government, not one of you understands the fundamental difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic.
Democracy means athenian or direct democracy; That is to say a nation whose decision making process is directly in the hands of the people and not elected representatives. Imagine every decision being a referendum. Obviously this is not practical in a nation with over 200m eligible voters, even if there is only a 35 percent voter turnout.
A constitutional republic means elected representatives legislate based on the constitution, this is the how modern democracy manifests itself, but it is not democracy in the classic sense of the word.
I hadn't seen this post. Sorry for repeating.
We have a democratic republican form of government--i.e. indirect democracy.
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at least teh 3 of us understand what the deal is ... sad nobody else seems to get this important distinction
old relativity joke..
yeesh man.. ::)
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i dont get it?
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i dont get it?
penrose i think once said...only 3 people on this planet understand relativity..
einstein...hawkings..
and we r still looking for the 3rd person..
guess ya didn't know..
btw..
did ya knowif a beam of light is travelling alongside of youand you r going 75% of the speed of light..if ya measurethe speed of that beam it'll STILL measure the same as it would if you were standing still..
relatively speaking! :D
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throwing ball on a train v throwing a ball on the ground v throwing a ball in space
what do i win :D
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throwing ball on a train v throwing a ball on the ground v throwing a ball in space
what do i win :D
the observer never wins ;)
howeva..
1) either ya get it
2) or you have read wayy 2 much about it and can come across like you do.
me..i'm the second argument..i am no where close to wrapping my brain around it..
o i get it..but getting it and really tasting it are 2 different things..at tangents almost..
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simply put ... i throw a ball 50mph on a train
if im an observer on the train the ball is travelling at 50mph
if im on the ground, the ball is travelling at 50mph + the speed of the train
and if im in space the ball is travelling at 50pmh + the speed of the train + the speed of teh rotation of the earth
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seems simple enough ... but i havent looked into it so this means i probably dont get it either
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simply put ... i throw a ball 50mph on a train
if im an observer on the train the ball is travelling at 50mph
if im on the ground, the ball is travelling at 50mph + the speed of the train
and if im in space the ball is travelling at 50pmh + the speed of the train + the speed of teh rotation of the earth
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seems simple enough ... but i havent looked into it so this means i probably dont get it either
AHH you almost there jim..
now lets say a beam of light is travelling at you...
and you r travelling Towards that beam of light AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
do you measure the speed of that beam of light as 2ice at speed of light?
hey beam of light speed + your speed at the speed of light = ??
right??
NO..you will always measure the speed of light as EXACTLY THE SAME regardless of where you r and how you r travelling..
get it?
it dosen't act like the ball...
i dont get it....as i said..it pisses the shit outta me..
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i couldnt give an intelligent opinion on that cause i have no scientific background to speak of .. off the top of my head:
1) is the speed of light an upper bound? (like infinity?)
2) replace beam of light with ball travelling at speed of light, does same apply?
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remember..repb christians dont believe in science.
either that or the muslims have it right and islam is actually the true faith cause it sure took an act of god/allah to get a buncha inexperienced muslims with no flying experience to pull of the greatest terrorism attack against the biggest army on this planet
either that...or, our army are a bunch of dumbfucks..apparently everyone ws sleeping that day..yet we level iraq in week :-\
Why would you say christians don't believe in science? Just because we disagree on the beginning of the earth? Did you happen to catch the show Planet Earth on Discovery the other night? Very cool
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i couldnt give an intelligent opinion on that cause i have no scientific background to speak of .. off the top of my head:
1) is the speed of light an upper bound? (like infinity?)
for the most part yes..only light can travel at the speed of light..and as an observer you could be travelling at ANY speed l (granted you cant go the cpeed of light)..you'd ALWAYS measure the speed of light the same..whether you travel with or against it..aint THAT a BITCH..and sooo amazing..
2) replace beam of light with ball travelling at speed of light, does same apply?
no...the closer the ball got to the speed of light the heavier it'd get..whereevetually the energy needed to get it to that speed would get infinite..
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now u r starting to see the universe with my eyes..it all comes back to "every possibllity is a possibility" or 1
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if its an upper bound than i dont see what the problem is?
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Why would you say christians don't believe in science? Just because we disagree on the beginning of the earth? Did you happen to catch the show Planet Earth on Discovery the other night? Very cool
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=elegant+universe&hl=en
watch elegant universe..
lemme know by pm if ya agree..
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if its an upper bound than i dont see what the problem is?
dont ya wanna question why?
why THAT particular speed?
why that a beam of light could travel along side of me..but i'd measuer its speed the same..
if you r in a car going side to side with another car..your relative speeds are 0..NOT SO WITH LIGHT..r you getting me?
WHY?
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dont ya wanna question why?
why THAT particular speed?
why that a beam of light could travel along side of me..but i'd measuer its speed the same..
if you r in a car going side to side with another car..your relative speeds are 0..NOT SO WITH LIGHT..r you getting me?
WHY?
like i said im no scientician ... but if 2 beams of light are travelling side by side their relitave speeds would be zero wouldnt they?
id imagine this has something to do with the interection of mass and energy ... that wave shit from the video you posted onmy now defunt website
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like i said im no scientician ... but if 2 beams of light are travelling side by side their relitave speeds would be zero wouldnt they?
id imagine this has something to do with the interection of mass and energy ... that wave shit from the video you posted onmy now defunt website
see what i mean..look man..i ws 16 when i took my last physics class..its been a while..
from what i understand...its gotta do with the intwining of spacetime..
space and time r apparently the same..
soo..traveling back in time = travelling back in light..or something like dat..
or so i understand..
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http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=elegant+universe&hl=en
watch elegant universe..
lemme know by pm if ya agree..
I'll have to watch later. That site is off limits here at work.
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I'll have to watch later. That site is off limits here at work.
there is no porn there..just science..
actually do me a favour and forward that around..
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there is no porn there..just science..
actually do me a favour and forward that around..
The Air Force makes off limits anything with videos I guess. I can't look at youtube, google video, myspace etc.
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The Air Force makes off limits anything with videos I guess. I can't look at youtube, google video, myspace etc.
aint US freedom great! :)
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aint US freedom great! :)
Ah I don't complain, it is for safety in the long run. I signed up for the job so it makes it hard to complain
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Ah I don't complain, it is for safety in the long run. I signed up for the job so it makes it hard to complain
if you had all the $ in the eworld would you have donethe same?
ie sign up?
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if you had all the $ in the eworld would you have donethe same?
ie sign up?
Well I sure as hell didn't sign up for the money! But yeah I would have. My grandfather, and father provided freedom for me, it is my turn to do it for my kids. I Don't want my son to do the same (long story) but yes I would do it over. I love my job. I was thinking on the John the other day. In my 9 years I have been at "war" for 16 months total. (have deployed alot more but not direct war support) I have made roughly 275,000 in those 9 years. So that works out to about $175 K a year or so for actually doing my job (fighting wars). I just got back from Iraq in early March, was given 3 weeks of comp time and now am basically sitting around doing jack because everyone else is still gone. It is a simple life really, and the comraderie is great.
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(have deployed alot more but not direct war support) I have made roughly 275,000 in those 9 years. So that works out to about $175 K a year or so
175 multiplied by 9 = 1575 :-\
275,000/9 - about 30k/yr :(
i made 8 grant this past week! :) and i didn't figh a war i had to convince myself i believed in ;)
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175 multiplied by 9 = 1575 :-\
275,000/9 - about 30k/yr :(
i made 8 grant this past week! :) and i didn't figh a war i had to convince myself i believed in ;)
I don't like the way the war is being fought but I do believe in it. Once they call me up to the JCS things will change. :D
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hes the modern version of HITLER
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I don't like the way the war is being fought but I do believe in it. Once they call me up to the JCS things will change. :D
i dont believe in it man..we are now realizing " ya need someone like saddam to keep these girls in place" :-\
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I can't speak on most of the things you said there, I just do not know, nor do i have the interest to learn. Some scabs you just don't pick!
I do believe that a system is in place to make sure one guy doesn't get into office and fck up 50 years of work to keep his job for another 4 years.
It has to be there to ensure longterm things - like food, energy, medicine, education, agriculture, etc, are able to grow according to plan without some nutjob getting into office and creating problems that we cannot undo.
But that's what I'm saying, these people you're referring to, the ones who make long term decisions as far as energy or foreign policy per se are concerned are well known: US Department of Energy and Council of Foreign Relations. Education and other matters are taken care of at the state level and hence play little role, if any, in the federal decision-making process.
I say this because it seems as though there is an intent, by some, to obfuscate or difuse a process that is well known, by institutions that are well known. There is little secrecy in their directives. When the Department of Energy produces a report for the presidente it does so because its main information gatherers, the private energy companies, are "harassing" them to the point that they have to act on their requisites.
The President gets the report, finds out that we're running out of CHEAP oil and the order is given to all pertinent parties to got out and "get" oil, be it via bombs or straight up stealing.
This is an entirely corporate/profit-driven process. These people act not on the necesities of the country 50 years down the line but on their business needs at a particular point in time. They are not selected but rather appointed (hence out of reach for the American public) by the likes of Bush or Clinton and (they) come with the nice incredibly huge donations each candidate gets from the (really) big corporations.
What am I trying to say with all of this? That the real thugs are not the ones we do not see, but the ones we vote for.
Sounds like JFK (threatening to disassemble the CIA and stop entry into vietnam) butted heads with this group. We know how that ended, and we know that every president since has done what has been asked of him.
And think about JFK... if he HAD ended the CIA, I bet we would be in WAY worse shape, resource wise, in the world TODAY. All the quiet ops in the 70s, 80s, and 90s which gave the US advantages - we would have NONE of that. And without the good work they do - would USSR have won the Colr War? Probably.
"Quiet ops"? Are you kidding me? The CIA operations have created more hate towards Americans than any other group I know of. And the USSR would've never won any "war" because there was no "war". The USSR had its days numbered since Stalin killed 6 million souls and this "war" Reagan pulled from his underpants gave the subsequent Soviet Premieres carte blanche to do as they please for 40 years. The press had a field day making it seem as though we won the "war," when all the did was wear the Soviets out, forcing them into effective economic bankruptcy before we did (something the CIA had little to do with).
This quiet group just "does its thing" and keeps the place running without us ever knowing.
Well... We do know. I bet you noticed a difference when the price of gasoline shot up, when we decided to re-invade Iraq, when we built clandestine jails in Guantánamo or Tristán DaCunha or when a bunch of kamikazes put two planes in the WTC.
I retract, we do not see the action, but we sure as hell see the re-action.
Sveet.
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i couldnt give an intelligent opinion on that cause i have no scientific background to speak of .. off the top of my head:
1) is the speed of light an upper bound? (like infinity?)
2) replace beam of light with ball travelling at speed of light, does same apply?
Relativity is very easy. If you are traveling near the speed of light and observe light coming at you you see the light coming at you at the speed of light. Why? Simple as you go faster time slows down for you, it slows down in such a way that when you observe light it always seems to go at the speed of light (in a vacuum anyway). For most everyday things (such as a train traveling along tracks) the speed is so small compared to the speed of light that the relativistic considerations aren't worth considering - as the train gets faster and faster relativity comes into play (time dilation).
Interesting things to note: you can't actually go at the speed of light yourself since you need infinite energy to accelerate an object with any mass to the speed of light. Photons (light) have no mass (only energy) so they can travel at the speed of light. As you get closer and closer to the speed of light you need more and more energy to get you there.
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damn, I just got schooled!
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Relativity is very easy. If you are traveling near the speed of light and observe light coming at you you see the light coming at you at the speed of light. Why? Simple as you go faster time slows down for you, it slows down in such a way that when you observe light it always seems to go at the speed of light (in a vacuum anyway). For most everyday things (such as a train traveling along tracks) the speed is so small compared to the speed of light that the relativistic considerations aren't worth considering - as the train gets faster and faster relativity comes into play (time dilation).
Interesting things to note: you can't actually go at the speed of light yourself since you need infinite energy to accelerate an object with any mass to the speed of light. Photons (light) have no mass (only energy) so they can travel at the speed of light. As you get closer and closer to the speed of light you need more and more energy to get you there.
thanks
but why?
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But that's what I'm saying, these people you're referring to, the ones who make long term decisions as far as energy or foreign policy per se are concerned are well known: US Department of Energy and Council of Foreign Relations. Education and other matters are taken care of at the state level and hence play little role, if any, in the federal decision-making process.
I say this because it seems as though there is an intent, by some, to obfuscate or difuse a process that is well known, by institutions that are well known. There is little secrecy in their directives. When the Department of Energy produces a report for the presidente it does so because its main information gatherers, the private energy companies, are "harassing" them to the point that they have to act on their requisites.
The President gets the report, finds out that we're running out of CHEAP oil and the order is given to all pertinent parties to got out and "get" oil, be it via bombs or straight up stealing.
This is an entirely corporate/profit-driven process. These people act not on the necesities of the country 50 years down the line but on their business needs at a particular point in time. They are not selected but rather appointed (hence out of reach for the American public) by the likes of Bush or Clinton and (they) come with the nice incredibly huge donations each candidate gets from the (really) big corporations.
What am I trying to say with all of this? That the real thugs are not the ones we do not see, but the ones we vote for.
"Quiet ops"? Are you kidding me? The CIA operations have created more hate towards Americans than any other group I know of. And the USSR would've never won any "war" because there was no "war". The USSR had its days numbered since Stalin killed 6 million souls and this "war" Reagan pulled from his underpants gave the subsequent Soviet Premieres carte blanche to do as they please for 40 years. The press had a field day making it seem as though we won the "war," when all the did was wear the Soviets out, forcing them into effective economic bankruptcy before we did (something the CIA had little to do with).
Well... We do know. I bet you noticed a difference when the price of gasoline shot up, when we decided to re-invade Iraq, when we built clandestine jails in Guantánamo or Tristán DaCunha or when a bunch of kamikazes put two planes in the WTC.
I retract, we do not see the action, but we sure as hell see the re-action.
Sveet.
excellent post but i do not agree 100% ... to be sure there are alot of people cashing in and humans are def short sighted and selfish (the profit you speak of), but to say the wars in iraq and afgan (+911) have nothing to do with planning for amreekas future is not entirely accurate
for more info read:
DPG
PNAC
Grand Chess Board
... this is not to say that these wars are necessarily in amreekas long term best interest, rather that it is a consideration
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thanks
but why?
That I don't know
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just the laws of the universe - ask God
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excellent post but i do not agree 100% ... to be sure there are alot of people cashing in and humans are def short sighted and selfish (the profit you speak of), but to say the wars in iraq and afgan (+911) have nothing to do with planning for amreekas future is not entirely accurate.
I beg to differ, I do believe all these wars have been planned out in advance (except this last invasion of Iraq of course); although mainly with the future of America's corporations in mind. Look at New Orleans: It took weeks for anyone to do anything about the people there, yet the offshore riggs were being worked on while the hurricane was still ravaging the Big Easy.
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read those documents ... amreekas future is intimately tied with (the worlds largest) corporatons future ... the grand chessboard (which predicted these wars in this region) also predicts the eventual transition into a one world government effectively controlled by sed corporations
iraq is going exactly as planned and it has been planned since the 92 DPG ... minimal us casualties + sustained chaos + permenant bases to make sure they can stay a while and prepare for iran (which is now flanked thanks to afghan as well)
now you may think of working on the riggs while a bunch of useless blacks and (some) whites were looting is greedy mismanagement(and i wouldnt necessarily argue with the greed angle), but those actions were utilitarian ... would you rather the price of gas tripled and your economy grinded towards a halt?
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I believe that the average citizen CANNOT begin to understand the longterm resource and logistical/positional issues facing our country. I have an MBA and an undergrad in history, and I can barely understand scratching the surface of the issues- economics and history. Seriously, it boggles the mind. Not enough oil to run the world, everyone is borrowing beyond earning, everything is being financed, coups are continual to keep friends in office who give us advantages at their resources, oil oil oil...
I enjoy looking at it, but I'll never understand a fraction of it. I DO know that there is a group of agencies that ensures our leaders do whatever it takes to keep momentum on our side, and to ensure we're the only superpower- and it IS working. Without it, you'd have a kuscinish winning the presidency, ending the war, creating a vacuum that Iran/China fills, and our economy unravels.
however, to answer your question, there is no way the average american has a clue. On top of it, when you mention it, they reply with a 4th grade insult, usually calling you crazy or rolling their eyes. You see it here from grown men in decent fields - they believe the bucks stops at the white house and every 4 years, longterm US goals and interests reset. That's naive, and they are dumb.
240, ...why must you underestimate the intelligence of the average American?
As everyone knows, ...Americans are extremely intelligent :P Just take a peek at these guys...
America's Finest Specimens of Intelligensia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXRVvA6T9k) <--click me (if you dare) Mwahahah! 8)
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it amuses me to read you talking shit about other peoples intelligence
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thanks
but why?
make of this what u will..
i read it..i see what it says..i cant digest it..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=time+dilation&spell=1
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... would you rather the price of gas tripled and your economy grinded towards a halt?
I agree with much of what you say. But the emergency reserves coupled with alternative sources for oil would make it extremely unlikely that the price of gas would triple or that the economy would grind to a halt.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/01/23/bush_wants_to_double_us_emergency_oil_stockpile/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News
The current emergency reserve is worth about 97 days of oil imports.
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Yeah its all a big plan...the CIA are trhe bad guys and there was no cold war....I guess if u read drive by media history and cut and paste from CT sites this is what u get. ::)
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Yeah its all a big plan...the CIA are trhe bad guys and there was no cold war....I guess if u read drive by media history and cut and paste from CT sites this is what u get. ::)
This is not drive by media: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/index.html
Here's one case: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/latin_america/honduras/hidden_truths/hidden.htm
"A June 1995 expose in The Baltimore Sun revealed the extensive CIA role in the creation and training of Battalion 3-16 -- the Honduran mi litary unit primarily responsible for many of the human rights atrocities in the 1980s -- as well as documents on U.S. knowledge of abuses."
There are dozens and dozens more.
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Osama is ex CIA trained...gasp! :-X
how the fuck do yall think we got rid of the ruskies? :-\
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I agree with much of what you say. But the emergency reserves coupled with alternative sources for oil would make it extremely unlikely that the price of gas would triple or that the economy would grind to a halt.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/01/23/bush_wants_to_double_us_emergency_oil_stockpile/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News
The current emergency reserve is worth about 97 days of oil imports.
trippled/grinded to a hault was a dramatic exaggeration on my part (though double to tripple is the prediction for the result of a war with iran)... but you know as well as i do how sensitive oil trading is to events like this so you realize why they had to focus on the rigs ... imagien teh shockwaves that would happen if those rigs had been shut down for a significant period of time
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This is not drive by media: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/index.html
Here's one case: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/latin_america/honduras/hidden_truths/hidden.htm
"A June 1995 expose in The Baltimore Sun revealed the extensive CIA role in the creation and training of Battalion 3-16 -- the Honduran mi litary unit primarily responsible for many of the human rights atrocities in the 1980s -- as well as documents on U.S. knowledge of abuses."
There are dozens and dozens more.
laos
cambodia
chile
nicaragua
congo
philippines
iran
bay of pigs
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and thats just off the top of my head! when you cant overtly topple a government what do you do? ... black opps
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laos
cambodia
chile
nicaragua
congo
philippines
iran
bay of pigs
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and thats just off the top of my head! when you cant overtly topple a government what do you do? ... black opps
That's a good start. Remember the assassination and torture manuals released when the School for the Americas was exposed?
http://www.law2.byu.edu/JPLNew/Vol%2020.1/1Quigley.pdf
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ill have to read that
if you havent seen this you will enjoy it, a great british documentary on the history of CIA black opps
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2562011283313707032
and this one outlines the connections between the CIA/drugs/and wall street (amongst other things)
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
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So what...who cares...are u suffering because of any of this. i could care less. The School of the America's trained folks who kept the communists out of our back yard in Central and South America. This argument is onlyu valid if u give a flying crap about any of these people. as long as the US is ok and democracy and capitalism keeps clicking along I don't really care. I don't see any of us in this country headed to a concentration camp any time soon.
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i dont give a crap about these people, and i dont give a crap about the victims of 911, or when your soldiers get blown up by IED's (in fact i think its a good thing that you get a taste of your own medicine)
what i do care about is truth because it is not healthy to believe in lies, and thats what most of the sheep you call countrymen do
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Viking on behalf of the entire US military die in a fire fuckmunch. Enjoy living in your socialist utopia provided by the blood sweat and tears of the United States Military.
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im not going to die, i live in my parents basement
you dipshit are :)
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MY point exactly..... ::)
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bush didn't win FL but got into office thru cheating..same happens in pakistan
he went to war..against/regardless of congress
he's broken geniva convention laws
didn't sign the kyoto treaty
thinks he's doing gods work (so do the taliban)
is convinced he is absolutely right (so are the taliban)
bombs other places according to his beliefs regardless of international law (so do the taliban)
soo...
is this a democracy?
Put the blame squarely where it belongs........GEORGE W. BUSH.
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This shitbird just said he's glad American soldiers are getting killed by IED's and all u have to say is Blame Bush. I don't make policy and neither did u..u worked on these kids that he's thrilled are ripped apart. ???
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them dying before then can have kids = stronger gene pool
them dying before they can kill more brown civilians = poetic justice
:)
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them dying before then can have kids = stronger gene pool
them dying before they can kill more brown civilians = poetic justice
:)
Them dying ensures (lord help us) you will remain free to be able to have kids of your own
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No I'm hoping he catches something that will make him suffer...for a long long time.
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and i hope you catch something
a bullet
then your family can have a small taste of the pain that the families of 650 000 iraqi families feel
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also dont forget..
thats 650,000 potential terrorists..
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and i hope you catch something
a bullet
then your family can have a small taste of the pain that the families of 650 000 iraqi families feel
Wow, classy as ever. ::) No wonder you are paying for sex and living at home. Good job with your life thus far.
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also dont forget..
thats 650,000 potential terrorists..
if i saw amrekan tanks folling past my crib i would IED teh fuck out of htem as well ... those are the real freedom fighters
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Viking I was trying to be not to say alot..since ur a fucking idiot, i say again die in a fire. Enjoy ur parents basement ::)
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Viking I was trying to be not to say alot..since ur a fucking idiot, i say again die in a fire. Enjoy ur parents basement ::)
do you think vp is the only non american that feels like that?
most of the non muslim non american world feels the same .. :-\
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do you think vp is the only non american that feels like that?
most of the non muslim non american world feels the same .. :-\
I don't think any of us care what non americans think.
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Yeah...but some idiot ona board wishing my family and fellow soldiers ill...fuck him.
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Yeah...but some idiot ona board wishing my family and fellow soldiers ill...fuck him.
He got you hook, line, and sinker.
Don't pay attention to the fool.
He'll keep talking crap so long as he's safe behind his anonymous Internet account.
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Truth is the US Department of Energy should've anticipated the peak in oil production. It should've, BY NOW, come up with alternative energy sources and, at this stage of the game, when every country in the world is going to be getting into wars to secure some oil, we should've implemented some type of energy program that did not expose us to all this mumbo jumbo.
As we all know, it did not happen this way. The US Department of Energy dropped the ball BIG TIME. BIG FUCKING TIME. This department, it's now extra obvious, is a rat hole for all Big Oil executives. These peoples have spent many dollars and efforts into blocking any financing/aid to anything that remotely smelled like alternative energy development. And this has led to the predicament we're in now.
Instead of having developed (and implemented) a mix of alternative energies we're fighting all over the world for oil. Our own people are dying so that these rich cock suckers/scum of this earth can have their cheap gallon of gasoline (their definition of patriotism).
Bottom line is, by now, we should've been mere spectators to all these wars and conflicts, 100 years ahead of everyone else in alternative energy sources, and anything beyon the TV. Bottom line is WE ARE NOT. And it is because of the corporations, their shortsightedness and little regard for the long term wellbeing of everyone else except them.
That;s the way I see it.
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Yeah...but some idiot ona board wishing my family and fellow soldiers ill...fuck him.
And you just basically said you don't give a shit about what happens to all non-Americans. ;)
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I don't think any of us care what non americans think.
this economy runs on non america..
yanno what woud happen if ALL san nig arabs pulled their money from the US..
i'd be fine..i'd move to europe..
you'd be on the street..
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Truth is the US Department of Energy should've anticipated the peak in oil production. It should've, BY NOW, come up with alternative energy sources and, at this stage of the game, when every country in the world is going to be getting into wars to secure some oil, we should've implemented some type of energy program that did not expose us to all this mumbo jumbo.
As we all know, it did not happen this way. The US Department of Energy dropped the ball BIG TIME. BIG FUCKING TIME. This department, it's now extra obvious, is a rat hole for all Big Oil executives. These peoples have spent many dollars and efforts into blocking any financing/aid to anything that remotely smelled like alternative energy development. And this has led to the predicament we're in now.
Instead of having developed (and implemented) a mix of alternative energies we're fighting all over the world for oil. Our own people are dying so that these rich cock suckers/scum of this earth can have their cheap gallon of gasoline (their definition of patriotism).
Bottom line is, by now, we should've been mere spectators to all these wars and conflicts, 100 years ahead of everyone else in alternative energy sources, and anything beyon the TV. Bottom line is WE ARE NOT. And it is because of the corporations, their shortsightedness and little regard for the long term wellbeing of everyone else except them.
That;s the way I see it.
do you think this caught anyone by surprise?
dont be silly ... what you want to do is make sure that oil becomes phased out as other stuff become phased in, that way you you cash out as the price of oil goes through the roof... and you better believe the same people behind big oil are the same people behind whats on the horizon... why do you think hybrids are the next phase as opposed to puse alt energy cars (though some pure alt energy cars exist)... why do you think the electric cars released got pulled back almost immediately...
the future at the moment appears to be IOGEN ... and guess who the big investors are?
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Yeah...but some idiot ona board wishing my family and fellow soldiers ill...fuck him.
he is making his point in as crass a way i've often seen ya military folks do..
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Viking I was trying to be not to say alot..since ur a fucking idiot, i say again die in a fire. Enjoy ur parents basement ::)
"i was trying to be not to say alot"
what kind fucking gimp talk is this
please eat a bullet sooner rather than later, i cant stand the though of another dumb yahoo amreekan breathing the same air as me >:(
ps fuck your family too guy, let me know when one of em eats it so i can celebrate
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Doucebag..again fucking die.....ever smoked somebody..been shot at..seen somebody die...or done anything important in your life except hide on the net and play toughguy..didn't they ban u from here? What kind of idiot gets thrown off a forum......... Nope thought not..enjoy ur basement shitbag.
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Doucebag..again fucking die.....ever smoked somebody..been shot at..
yes..i ws 14 when i had to do it
how about them apples eh.. :)
your ass lives in paradise..and ALWAYS has..before i moved to the US i got to live in heaven BUT i got to see the other side..and expereince it..
yall militAry folk think ya have it tough...
dont make me shit myself laughing....
.1% actually face , " face to face" combat..them few i respect..
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I wasn't talking to u..I've heard this story before. I don't remember u mentioning sustained combat for 7-8 months either. ::)Anyway I was talking to Vikingloser.
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I wasn't talking to u..I've heard this story before. I don't remember u mentioning sustained combat for 7-8 months either. ::)Anyway I was talking to Vikingloser.
i hate bush..so..same difference..
i cant wait till we get a coherent prez..
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No its not..he went to far fuck him...I'm not a fan of Bush either but don't hold your breath on a better president.
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and o..i'm willing to bet you've NEVER seen a single human die EVER..for all your high talk..
have you?
i ws 8 when i say a limb by the side of the road..
12 when i saw a dead body get dropped out the back of a car..
so SHUT THE FUCK UP..k...military warrior my ass..press a button from 500 miles away and call your self a warror ..pfft ::)
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Dude ur smoking something...500 miles away..I'm a friggen tanker. A mile away or 50 feet......same thing..especialy when u have to roll through it. I've seen plenty of bodies..anyway debating u on this is a wate of time.
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Dude ur smoking something...500 miles away..I'm a friggen tanker. A mile away or 50 feet......same thing..especialy when u have to roll through it. I've seen plenty of bodies..anyway debating u on this is a wate of time.
confirmed..you have NEVER EVER seen a dead person...lmao..what a high ground talking pos..
go fuck yourself mate..you r all talk...
i'd sooner get into a fight with you and gut you while i get i give myself a boner doing it...
yeesh :-\
man o man i hope people like you aren't the ones fighting for this country in iraq..you see blood and you'll haul ass..
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yeah ::)... somehow I don't see myself running from a little brown drunk guy.
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yeah ::)... somehow I don't see myself running from a little brown drunk guy.
confirmed..you've never ever even seen a dead body...
this brown guy has seen more gore than most of ya so called military heroes do :(
your ass ws born in a paradise and grew up in one...you dont know shit..
have you ever even slit an animals throat???
i'm guessing no..
dont talk to me..you're a fake patriot..like GW bush..
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another anonymous internet toughguy huh junaids :D
i wont even bother asking for his pix, name and city ...
with pussywhipped motherfu ckers like him its a good thing amreeka had no intention of securing iraq cause the real men over there appear to be the ones defending their homeland
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another anonymous internet toughguy huh junaids :D
i wont even bother asking for his pix, name and city ...
with pussywhipped motherfu ckers like him its a good thing amreeka had no intention of securing iraq cause the real men over there appear to be the ones defending their homeland
I hope you are not talking about HH....if he is military then you need to shut up and go pay parents some rent and quit talking out of your ass
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shut the fuck up cap ... go have some more "safe" gay sex and take your seat at the kiddies table
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shut the fuck up cap ... go have some more "safe" gay sex and take your seat at the kiddies table
Coming from the guy paying for hooker sex, lives at home with mom an dad and "owns peoples" for a living, shut the fuck up you pussy fool...it's easy to live a life online but you obviously can't deal with the real world and know shit about REAL MEN who risk their lives for a country
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calling me a pussy without posting your name and pix makes you a (fill in the blank)
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real men defend their homeland, they dont beat up on skinny brown people ... your army is full of bullies and pussies and i for one love to see them get picked off one at a time and all down the line bitch
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calling me a pussy without posting your name and pix makes you a (fill in the blank)
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real men defend their homeland, they dont beat up on skinny brown people ... your army is full of bullies and pussies and i for one love to see them get picked off one at a time and all down the line bitch
Hahah...keep picking people off on counter strike....posting my name doesnt mean shit and my pix were up a year ago
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posting your name means you have the balls to put yourself out there and are not some anonymous little fag8ot (which you clearly are)
james simon, your master
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posting your name means you have the balls to put yourself out there and are not some anonymous little fag8ot (which you clearly are)
james simon, your master
haha..okay...I'm john smith...no less anonymous than jimmy simon...keep talking you stay at home bum....
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like i thought ... goodnight pussy :)
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like i thought ... goodnight pussy :)
whatever you say..... ::)
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Them dying ensures (lord help us) you will remain free to be able to have kids of your own
Wow......another intelligent, well thought out post.
Very impressive. ::)
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throughout the ages wars/army has been a way to thin the heard ... it wouldnt make sense to have your best and brightest get killed before they can pass on their genes
this is why in addition to being a good thing that amreekan mothers get a taste of their own medicine, its also beneficial for amreekan society in general to have their lower class "strained"
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Wow......another intelligent, well thought out post.
Very impressive. ::)
It's just as amazing to me how well this square-jaw, existentialist, I-own-you bullshit has sunk into some people.
They truly believe it!
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if it didnt you would have noone to fight these wars for "our freedom" ::)