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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #75 on: May 01, 2007, 09:41:35 AM »
throwing ball on a train v throwing a ball on the ground v throwing a ball in space

what do i win :D

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #76 on: May 01, 2007, 09:50:32 AM »
throwing ball on a train v throwing a ball on the ground v throwing a ball in space

what do i win :D
the observer never wins  ;)

howeva..

1) either ya get it
2) or you have read wayy 2 much about it and can come across like you do.


me..i'm the second argument..i am no where close to wrapping my brain around it..
o i get it..but getting it and really tasting it are 2 different things..at tangents almost..
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2007, 10:02:45 AM »
simply put ... i throw a ball 50mph on a train

if im an observer on the train the ball is travelling at 50mph

if im on the ground, the ball is travelling at 50mph + the speed of the train

and if im in space the ball is travelling at 50pmh + the speed of the train + the speed of teh rotation of the earth

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seems simple enough ... but i havent looked into it so this means i probably dont get it either


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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2007, 10:06:46 AM »
simply put ... i throw a ball 50mph on a train

if im an observer on the train the ball is travelling at 50mph

if im on the ground, the ball is travelling at 50mph + the speed of the train

and if im in space the ball is travelling at 50pmh + the speed of the train + the speed of teh rotation of the earth

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seems simple enough ... but i havent looked into it so this means i probably dont get it either


AHH  you almost there jim..
now lets say a beam of light is travelling at you...

and you r travelling Towards that beam of light AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT



do you measure the speed of that beam of light as 2ice at speed of light?


hey beam of light speed + your speed at the speed of light  = ??

right??

NO..you will always measure the speed of light as EXACTLY THE SAME regardless of where you r and how you r travelling..

get it?



it dosen't act like the ball...
i dont get it....as i said..it pisses the shit outta me..
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2007, 10:12:45 AM »
i couldnt give an intelligent opinion on that cause i have no scientific background to speak of .. off the top of my head:

1) is the speed of light an upper bound? (like infinity?)

2) replace beam of light with ball travelling at speed of light, does same apply?

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2007, 10:22:43 AM »
remember..repb christians dont believe in science.

either that or the muslims have it right and islam is actually the true faith cause it sure took an act of god/allah to get a buncha inexperienced muslims with no flying experience to pull of the greatest terrorism attack against the biggest army on this planet


either that...or, our army are a bunch of dumbfucks..apparently everyone ws sleeping that day..yet we level iraq in week :-\

Why would you say christians don't believe in science? Just because we disagree on the beginning of the earth? Did you happen to catch the show Planet Earth on Discovery the other night? Very cool

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #81 on: May 01, 2007, 10:32:49 AM »
i couldnt give an intelligent opinion on that cause i have no scientific background to speak of .. off the top of my head:

1) is the speed of light an upper bound? (like infinity?)



for the most part yes..only light can travel at the speed of light..and as an observer you could be travelling at ANY speed l (granted you cant go the cpeed of light)..you'd ALWAYS measure the speed of light the same..whether you travel with or against it..aint THAT a BITCH..and sooo amazing..



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2) replace beam of light with ball travelling at speed of light, does same apply?


no...the closer the ball got to the speed of light the heavier it'd get..whereevetually the energy needed to get it to that speed would get infinite..

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now u r starting to see the universe with my eyes..it all comes back to "every possibllity is a possibility" or 1
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #82 on: May 01, 2007, 10:35:11 AM »
if its an upper bound than i dont see what the problem is?

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2007, 10:35:39 AM »
Why would you say christians don't believe in science? Just because we disagree on the beginning of the earth? Did you happen to catch the show Planet Earth on Discovery the other night? Very cool

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=elegant+universe&hl=en

watch elegant universe..

lemme know by pm if ya agree..
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #84 on: May 01, 2007, 10:38:03 AM »
if its an upper bound than i dont see what the problem is?

dont ya wanna question why?

why THAT particular speed?

why that a beam of light could travel along side of me..but i'd measuer its speed the same..

if you r in a car going side to side with another car..your relative speeds are 0..NOT SO WITH LIGHT..r you getting me?

WHY?

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #85 on: May 01, 2007, 10:46:34 AM »
dont ya wanna question why?

why THAT particular speed?

why that a beam of light could travel along side of me..but i'd measuer its speed the same..

if you r in a car going side to side with another car..your relative speeds are 0..NOT SO WITH LIGHT..r you getting me?

WHY?



like i said im no scientician ... but if 2 beams of light are travelling side by side their relitave speeds would be zero wouldnt they?

id imagine this has something to do with the interection of mass and energy ... that wave shit from the video you posted onmy now defunt website


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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #86 on: May 01, 2007, 10:48:59 AM »
like i said im no scientician ... but if 2 beams of light are travelling side by side their relitave speeds would be zero wouldnt they?

id imagine this has something to do with the interection of mass and energy ... that wave shit from the video you posted onmy now defunt website



see what i mean..look man..i ws 16 when i took my last physics class..its been a while..

from what i understand...its gotta do with the intwining of spacetime..

space and time r apparently the same..

soo..traveling back in time = travelling back in light..or something like dat..

or so i understand..
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #87 on: May 01, 2007, 11:00:56 AM »
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=elegant+universe&hl=en

watch elegant universe..

lemme know by pm if ya agree..

I'll have to watch later. That site is off limits here at work.

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #88 on: May 01, 2007, 11:03:01 AM »
I'll have to watch later. That site is off limits here at work.

there is no porn there..just science..

actually do me a favour and forward that around..
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #89 on: May 01, 2007, 11:07:11 AM »
there is no porn there..just science..

actually do me a favour and forward that around..

The Air Force makes off limits anything with videos I guess. I can't look at youtube, google video, myspace etc.

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #90 on: May 01, 2007, 11:10:07 AM »
The Air Force makes off limits anything with videos I guess. I can't look at youtube, google video, myspace etc.

aint US freedom great!  :)
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #91 on: May 01, 2007, 11:11:42 AM »
aint US freedom great!  :)

Ah I don't complain, it is for safety in the long run. I signed up for the job so it makes it hard to complain

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #92 on: May 01, 2007, 11:16:21 AM »
Ah I don't complain, it is for safety in the long run. I signed up for the job so it makes it hard to complain

if you had all the $ in the eworld would you have donethe same?

ie sign up?
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #93 on: May 01, 2007, 11:22:42 AM »
if you had all the $ in the eworld would you have donethe same?

ie sign up?

Well I sure as hell didn't sign up for the money! But yeah I would have. My grandfather, and father provided freedom for me, it is my turn to do it for my kids. I Don't want my son to do the same (long story) but yes I would do it over. I love my job. I was thinking on the John the other day. In my 9 years I have been at "war" for 16 months total. (have deployed alot more but not direct war support) I have made roughly 275,000 in those 9 years. So that works out to about $175 K a year or so for actually doing my job (fighting wars). I just got back from Iraq in early March, was given 3 weeks of comp time and now am basically sitting around doing jack because everyone else is still gone. It is a simple life really, and the comraderie is great.

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #94 on: May 01, 2007, 11:31:37 AM »
(have deployed alot more but not direct war support) I have made roughly 275,000 in those 9 years. So that works out to about $175 K a year or so

175 multiplied by 9 =  1575  :-\


275,000/9 - about 30k/yr :(


i made 8 grant this past week!  :)  and i didn't figh a war i had to convince myself i believed in ;)
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #95 on: May 01, 2007, 02:47:19 PM »
175 multiplied by 9 =  1575  :-\


275,000/9 - about 30k/yr :(


i made 8 grant this past week!  :)  and i didn't figh a war i had to convince myself i believed in ;)

I don't like the way the war is being fought but I do believe in it. Once they call me up to the JCS things will change.  :D

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #96 on: May 01, 2007, 04:08:09 PM »
hes the modern version of HITLER
TEAM WOLF

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #97 on: May 01, 2007, 05:39:01 PM »
I don't like the way the war is being fought but I do believe in it. Once they call me up to the JCS things will change.  :D

i dont believe in it man..we are now realizing " ya need someone like saddam to keep these girls in place"  :-\
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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2007, 07:44:16 PM »
I can't speak on most of the things you said there, I just do not know, nor do i have the interest to learn.  Some scabs you just don't pick!

I do believe that a system is in place to make sure one guy doesn't get into office and fck up 50 years of work to keep his job for another 4 years.

It has to be there to ensure longterm things  - like food, energy, medicine, education, agriculture, etc, are able to grow according to plan without some nutjob getting into office and creating problems that we cannot undo.

But that's what I'm saying, these people you're referring to, the ones who make long term decisions as far as energy or foreign policy per se are concerned are well known: US Department of Energy and Council of Foreign Relations. Education and other matters are taken care of at the state level and hence play little role, if any, in the federal decision-making process.

I say this because it seems as though there is an intent, by some, to obfuscate or difuse a process that is well known, by institutions that are well known. There is little secrecy in their directives. When the Department of Energy produces a report for the presidente it does so because its main information gatherers, the private energy companies, are "harassing" them to the point that they have to act on their requisites.

The President gets the report, finds out that we're running out of CHEAP oil and the order is given to all pertinent parties to got out and "get" oil, be it via bombs or straight up stealing.

This is an entirely corporate/profit-driven process. These people act not on the necesities of the country 50 years down the line but on their business needs at a particular point in time. They are not selected but rather appointed (hence out of reach for the American public) by the likes of Bush or Clinton and (they) come with the nice incredibly huge donations each candidate gets from the (really) big corporations.

What am I trying to say with all of this? That the real thugs are not the ones we do not see, but the ones we vote for.

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Sounds like JFK (threatening to disassemble the CIA and stop entry into vietnam) butted heads with this group.  We know how that ended, and we know that every president since has done what has been asked of him.

And think about JFK... if he HAD ended the CIA, I bet we would be in WAY worse shape, resource wise, in the world TODAY.  All the quiet ops in the 70s, 80s, and 90s which gave the US advantages - we would have NONE of that.  And without the good work they do - would USSR have won the Colr War?  Probably.

"Quiet ops"? Are you kidding me? The CIA operations have created more hate towards Americans than any other group I know of. And the USSR would've never won any "war" because there was no "war". The USSR had its days numbered since Stalin killed 6 million souls and this "war" Reagan pulled from his underpants gave the subsequent Soviet Premieres carte blanche to do as they please for 40 years. The press had a field day making it seem as though we won the "war," when all the did was wear the Soviets out, forcing them into effective economic bankruptcy before we did (something the CIA had little to do with). 

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This quiet group just "does its thing" and keeps the place running without us ever knowing.

Well... We do know. I bet you noticed a difference when the price of gasoline shot up, when we decided to re-invade Iraq, when we built clandestine jails in Guantánamo or Tristán DaCunha or when a bunch of kamikazes put two planes in the WTC.

I retract, we do not see the action, but we sure as hell see the re-action.

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Re: Is America a democracy or a hidden dictatorship?
« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2007, 08:00:17 PM »
i couldnt give an intelligent opinion on that cause i have no scientific background to speak of .. off the top of my head:

1) is the speed of light an upper bound? (like infinity?)

2) replace beam of light with ball travelling at speed of light, does same apply?

Relativity is very easy. If you are traveling near the speed of light and observe light coming at you you see the light coming at you at the speed of light. Why? Simple as you go faster time slows down for you, it slows down in such a way that when you observe light it always seems to go at the speed of light (in a vacuum anyway). For most everyday things (such as a train traveling along tracks) the speed is so small compared to the speed of light that the relativistic considerations aren't worth considering - as the train gets faster and faster relativity comes into play (time dilation).

Interesting things to note: you can't actually go at the speed of light yourself since you need infinite energy to accelerate an object with any mass to the speed of light. Photons (light) have no mass (only energy) so they can travel at the speed of light. As you get closer and closer to the speed of light you need more and more energy to get you there.