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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: littleguns on May 24, 2007, 01:03:12 PM
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Read that Palumbo had Toney Freeman on the following:
6-8 meals
Each meal
50 gms Protein
25 gms of fat
10 gms of Carbs
Basically a little more than Atkins....
Your thoughts?
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It isn't something I'd want to do long term, but it does seems to get his guys in kickass shape.
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It isn't something I'd want to do long term, but it does seems to get his guys in kickass shape.
Yeah, if you're on roids, T3, clen, HGH, DNP, FBI and sniff panties maybe....
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Yeah, if you're on roids, T3, clen, HGH, DNP, FBI and sniff panties maybe....
Can't really argue with that either.
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200 calories from Protein = 43%
225 calories from Fat = 48%
40 calories from Carbs = 9%
This is just about the perfect ratio for a low-carb meal. Getting the majority of your calories from fat will do nothing but encourage your body to use fat for fuel...
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Yeah I read a bit about that too. I think I'd feel a little sick with that much fat but you can't argue with results i guess!
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Yeah I read a bit about that too. I think I'd feel a little sick with that much fat but you can't argue with results i guess!
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(http://www.sicktracks.com/images/Palumbo_2.jpg)
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it's basically a really low carb part of a low carb cycle....must be intervalled with a day or two of higher carbs....or else muscle atrophy
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(http://www.sicktracks.com/images/Palumbo_2.jpg)
hey, it worked for this guy
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contestmedia/contest/1876/9/d/im2007-mens-pre048.jpg)
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hey, it worked for this guy
Well, i am not sure, but as i stated above, with enough clen, gh, t3, t4, DNP, test, Tren, Winstrol and whatever it doesn't even fucking matter what diet you are on. You could eat pizza and McDonald's all day.
Diet and Nutrition for cutting is for natties, for juicers it only applies to water retaining.
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I think its a good pre contest diet plen. Dave has some good rsults like Desmond and Evan. I dont think it would work with ppl that need more carbs in their carbs like Jay Cutler type that does higher/modate carbs days precontest. it just depend on your body type.
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For the record I'm working with Dave currently. I don't take clen, T3, HGH or DNP but I am on some test and tren.
The diet is the best I've ever experienced. I never feel starved, lethargic or tired. I'm strong in the gym and improving from day to day.
I suggest you try it, I don't think you'll be dissapointed.
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it's basically a really low carb part of a low carb cycle....must be intervalled with a day or two of higher carbs....or else muscle atrophy
Not true. You start experiencing muscle atrophy when your body is in a constant search for glucose and when it searches and doesn't find any, it takes what it wants from your muscle. On this diet, this doesn't happen, because the body has a constant steady flow of energy in which to pull from, fats. When you're in ketosis, there is no shortage of energy.
Further, on this style diet, you get one cheat meal per wk. This is not enough to throw you out of ketosis, it would take several high carb meals to do so, but it's a good shock to the system and keeps it a good fat burning mode.
Well, i am not sure, but as i stated above, with enough clen, gh, t3, t4, DNP, test, Tren, Winstrol and whatever it doesn't even fucking matter what diet you are on. You could eat pizza and McDonald's all day.
Diet and Nutrition for cutting is for natties, for juicers it only applies to water retaining.
The way nutrients work in the body, is the same whether you use gear or not. True, things like GH, t-3, ect do ramp the fat burning up, but the basic rules of nutrition still applie. Steroids or not, diet is still the key...this is not new found wisdom.
For the record I'm working with Dave currently. I don't take clen, T3, HGH or DNP but I am on some test and tren.
The diet is the best I've ever experienced. I never feel starved, lethargic or tired. I'm strong in the gym and improving from day to day.
I suggest you try it, I don't think you'll be dissapointed.
Thank you, a voice of reason.
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Not true. You start experiencing muscle atrophy when your body is in a constant search for glucose and when it searches and doesn't find any, it takes what it wants from your muscle. On this diet, this doesn't happen, because the body has a constant steady flow of energy in which to pull from, fats. When you're in ketosis, there is no shortage of energy.
so you're saying a ketosis diet won't burn fat?????? To correct you, a ketosis diet will burn fat, but for so long....THEN you will start muscle atrophy. Maybe thats what you meant...lost in translation via message boards..haha
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Been on it for 5 days and by the third day the lethargy wore off.
Definitely leaning out alot but still feel a little flat. Into the third week may introduce a few more carbs here and there but for now...
Only thing that sucks is peeing like a race horse, especially at night....
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diet look good for nutrients, but what do you think he took to look like that, hell, he could eat mc d once a day and still look good
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Been on it for 5 days and by the third day the lethargy wore off.
Definitely leaning out alot but still feel a little flat. Into the third week may introduce a few more carbs here and there but for now...
Only thing that sucks is peeing like a race horse, especially at night....
have a low fat carb up day once a week after a depletion workout
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so you're saying a ketosis diet won't burn fat?????? To correct you, a ketosis diet will burn fat, but for so long....THEN you will start muscle atrophy. Maybe thats what you meant...lost in translation via message boards..haha
No, not what I'm saying, that's why I said, "this won't happen"...muscle loss will be held to a minimum
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Been on it for 5 days and by the third day the lethargy wore off.
Definitely leaning out alot but still feel a little flat. Into the third week may introduce a few more carbs here and there but for now...
Only thing that sucks is peeing like a race horse, especially at night....
Yeah the first week is a little rough, where you feel flat and dizzy...but never really all that hungry. After that first cheat meal though I think my body responded well, so that in the last 2 weeks my muscles are full and energy is up. Only thing is you cannot skip a single meal or you will feel pretty horrible. As long as you eat every 2 1/2 hrs or so throughout the day, it's really "too easy", as some might say.
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Well, i am not sure, but as i stated above, with enough clen, gh, t3, t4, DNP, test, Tren, Winstrol and whatever it doesn't even fucking matter what diet you are on. You could eat pizza and McDonald's all day.
Diet and Nutrition for cutting is for natties, for juicers it only applies to water retaining.
Thats the most ignorant thing I have heard on here.
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my 2c is that it works and should only be used for a limited time, however the diet isnot functionally sound for trainers that are less than 200% committed or have lives and families/kids outside of bodybuilding.
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my 2c is that it works and should only be used for a limited time, however the diet isnot functionally sound for trainers that are less than 200% committed or have lives and families/kids outside of bodybuilding.
You mean to tell me some people have a life outside of BB? ;)
Seriously though, why do you see it as not being functional?
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You mean to tell me some people have a life outside of BB? ;)
Seriously though, why do you see it as not being functional?
Its not functional if you have kids and a wife who don't want to get to ketosis ;) ..
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The Palumbo is not a good diet for bodybuilding because once the body is in ketosis the first source of fuel it will look for is muscle. Fat is harder for the body to use as fuel than muscle so the body will use the excess muscle (the body wants to maintain a homestasis, in which there is no need for excessive muscle) for fuel first then turn to stored fat. It is good diet if you are on the juice however.
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Thats the most ignorant thing I have heard on here.
Well, maybe i wrote it a little provocative, but overall speaking, it's the truth.
I see guys in my gym all the time, they have NO clue about nutrition, they just change around their roids.
Some winny and tren, T3 and ECA when they need to be ripped, Deca, Boldenone or whatever for bulking.
Face it, and even gh15 admits it, if you are on the right things, you can eat whatever you want, as long as it has enough protein.
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my 2c is that it works and should only be used for a limited time, however the diet isnot functionally sound for trainers that are less than 200% committed or have lives and families/kids outside of bodybuilding.
How is eating low carb veges/berries , meat/fish/eggs/cheese , oils/fats NOT functional let alone a piece of piss to stick too?
Probably healthier than 99% of the population...
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The Palumbo is not a good diet for bodybuilding because once the body is in ketosis the first source of fuel it will look for is muscle. Fat is harder for the body to use as fuel than muscle so the body will use the excess muscle (the body wants to maintain a homestasis, in which there is no need for excessive muscle) for fuel first then turn to stored fat. It is good diet if you are on the juice however.
So your saying that if your macros are 65% fat , 30% protein , 5% carbs that the body will use muscle for energy? ::)
Have you researched your claim at all , or is this just what someone else told u?
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Well, maybe i wrote it a little provocative, but overall speaking, it's the truth.
I see guys in my gym all the time, they have NO clue about nutrition, they just change around their roids.
Some winny and tren, T3 and ECA when they need to be ripped, Deca, Boldenone or whatever for bulking.
Face it, and even gh15 admits it, if you are on the right things, you can eat whatever you want, as long as it has enough protein.
I agree you can definatly get away with a lot more than you can being natural. You still have to watch your carbs to get shredded. I wish I could eat pizza pre contest !
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So your saying that if your macros are 65% fat , 30% protein , 5% carbs that the body will use muscle for energy? ::)
Have you researched your claim at all , or is this just what someone else told u?
You it will, muscle, especially excessive muscle that the body doesn't need (which bodybuilders seek to hold onto while dieting), is a more efficient source of fuel than stored fat. The body will use the muscle first.
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Its not functional if you have kids and a wife who don't want to get to ketosis ;) ..
Who's making them? Why do all of them have to eat the same way? I know, more convenient, but even so.
You it will, muscle, especially excessive muscle that the body doesn't need (which bodybuilders seek to hold onto while dieting), is a more efficient source of fuel than stored fat. The body will use the muscle first.
I don't think you quite understand how ketones work. When in ketosis, keytones become the easiest most efficient fuel source for the body to use.
According to what you're saying, muscle loss would occur no matter what type of diet you ran. If the body doesn't want excessive muscle, homeostasis, then on any low cal diet you would first burn muscle...obviously this isn't true, the body first searches for glucose, but when it becomes accustomed to it not being there it searches for ketones which are now being produced at a much greater rate. Ketone's (fats) are just another energy source, that's all.
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You it will, muscle, especially excessive muscle that the body doesn't need (which bodybuilders seek to hold onto while dieting), is a more efficient source of fuel than stored fat. The body will use the muscle first.
Actually you are furthest from the truth....Fat yields 9 calories where Carbs/Pro yield 4 calories of energy. So if your body is is depleted of Carbs which nutrient will it seek out next? Fats as it will yield a better energy exchange...
Again it is a slow progress but it is soo much better than the 20 gm atkins diet. Again I feel more alert and am more contious (sp) of my eating. I am having little if any processed foods, and no un-necessary sugars....
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Who's making them? Why do all of them have to eat the same way? I know, more convenient, but even so.
I don't think you quite understand how ketones work. When in ketosis, keytones become the easiest most efficient fuel source for the body to use.
According to what you're saying, muscle loss would occur no matter what type of diet you ran. If the body doesn't want excessive muscle, homeostasis, then on any low cal diet you would first burn muscle...obviously this isn't true, the body first searches for glucose, but when it becomes accustomed to it not being there it searches for ketones which are now being produced at a much greater rate. Ketone's (fats) are just another energy source, that's all.
Who's making them? Why do all of them have to eat the same way? I know, more convenient, but even so.
I don't think you quite understand how ketones work. When in ketosis, keytones become the easiest most efficient fuel source for the body to use.
According to what you're saying, muscle loss would occur no matter what type of diet you ran. If the body doesn't want excessive muscle, homeostasis, then on any low cal diet you would first burn muscle...obviously this isn't true, the body first searches for glucose, but when it becomes accustomed to it not being there it searches for ketones which are now being produced at a much greater rate. Ketone's (fats) are just another energy source, that's all.
So would ya'll say that this diet is the best for cutting?
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So would ya'll say that this diet is the best for cutting?
I would say this. Bare in mind the old saying though, what works for some may not work for others, but in this case, I believe the "others" would fall into a very small minority.
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So would ya'll say that this diet is the best for cutting?
Without a doubt. The definition of Supplement = in addition to
Therefore, no supplement will take the place of a sound diet. And AJ is right, depends on the individual. Competed on very low carbs, high fat and lost lots of muscle, I just handle carbs better than most..sorry, just lucky that way!
Some competitors I have getting ready for shows look at a grain of rice and swell up so everyone is differant!!
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Without a doubt. The definition of Supplement = in addition to
Therefore, no supplement will take the place of a sound diet. And AJ is right, depends on the individual. Competed on very low carbs, high fat and lost lots of muscle, I just handle carbs better than most..sorry, just lucky that way!
Some competitors I have getting ready for shows look at a grain of rice and swell up so everyone is differant!!
Just to clarify, this diet only works correctly if you're basically at no carbs, not 'low" carbs. You still take in a few carbs indirectly from nuts, and peanutbutter, but for the purpose of ketosis it works. Anything that takes you over 50g of carbs per day is going to make this type of diet a failure...for some, 50g may even be too high, they may not be able to go over 30g.
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Just to clarify, this diet only works correctly if you're basically at no carbs, not 'low" carbs. You still take in a few carbs indirectly from nuts, and peanutbutter, but for the purpose of ketosis it works. Anything that takes you over 50g of carbs per day is going to make this type of diet a failure...for some, 50g may even be too high, they may not be able to go over 30g.
Yes, low for me was under or about 50 g. Traces from other foods and fiberous carbs, measure ketones in piss, whole 9 yards .. I understand all about this type of dieting and know the differance betweeen "low" and "no" carbs....impossible to get no carbs and would not want to unless you wanted you pipes all backed up. Was pointing out my experience was a miserable one, just my .2
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Like any diet it alone will not work totally, need to add lifting as well as cardio, I'll tell you tho when I do get any carbs in me, usually take a few teaspons of low sugar applesauce before a workout....give me such a surge...
Again cant forget lots of water, fiber and perhaps a good multi to replace things like Vit C, Calcium and other important minerals..
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Well, maybe i wrote it a little provocative, but overall speaking, it's the truth.
I see guys in my gym all the time, they have NO clue about nutrition, they just change around their roids.
Some winny and tren, T3 and ECA when they need to be ripped, Deca, Boldenone or whatever for bulking.
Face it, and even gh15 admits it, if you are on the right things, you can eat whatever you want, as long as it has enough protein.
He has said that stuff like T3 will get you ripped if you eat pizza, etc, but he also has recommended against that and says that it's optimal to eat right as opposed to using drugs that you don't need
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He has said that stuff like T3 will get you ripped if you eat pizza, etc, but he also has recommended against that and says that it's optimal to eat right as opposed to using drugs that you don't need
Optimal, but not necessary, as as opposed to naturals. ;)
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Question for anyone on low carb diets,
after your workout do you carb load at all (just the one meal) or continue the diet with minimal carbs....
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He has said that stuff like T3 will get you ripped if you eat pizza, etc, but he also has recommended against that and says that it's optimal to eat right as opposed to using drugs that you don't need
there is a difference between a guy using t3, hgh, clen, dnp, ect., to assist in keeping fat gains down while not dieting, and a guy who is trying to get ripped
for a show. the idea that a bodybuilder can use these drugs to get in contest shape without having to diet is completely ridiculous. i have been lucky enough to
come up in a gym that has turned out alot of pros and top level npc guys. ive seen first hand how hard they train and diet in contest prep mode regardless of
any drugs they may be using.
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Question for anyone on low carb diets,
after your workout do you carb load at all (just the one meal) or continue the diet with minimal carbs....
No carbs, which means no carb loading, no post workout carbs...you would never be able to get into ketosis doing that.
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continue the diet with minimal carbs....
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I'm starting this diet Sunday at 6:00pm. Kinda. Gonna do Body Opus. Bought more Bronkaid today so I'm ready to go.
Where do you guys like to get your source of fat from? I'm planning on eating a lot of chicken breasts, tuna, and whole eggs.
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I'm starting this diet Sunday at 6:00pm. Kinda. Gonna do Body Opus. Bought more Bronkaid today so I'm ready to go.
Where do you guys like to get your source of fat from? I'm planning on eating a lot of chicken breasts, tuna, and whole eggs.
Whole eggs, almonds, cashews, peanut butter and olive oil.
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there is a difference between a guy using t3, hgh, clen, dnp, ect., to assist in keeping fat gains down while not dieting, and a guy who is trying to get ripped
for a show. the idea that a bodybuilder can use these drugs to get in contest shape without having to diet is completely ridiculous. i have been lucky enough to
come up in a gym that has turned out alot of pros and top level npc guys. ive seen first hand how hard they train and diet in contest prep mode regardless of
any drugs they may be using.
What gh15 fails to mention is that a lot of pros are able to eat junk in the offseason and stay lean because thier offseason is so much shorter than non-competing bb's. If you only have 3 months off and you start at 4%, you can eat somewhat dirty and stay pretty lean. It's when you take 6+ months of offseason that the diet really affects fat gain, because the fatter you are the less efficient you are at gaining muscle/losing fat.
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I also use a few spoonfulls of Flaxseed oil as well....
As mentioned...nuts, whole eggs, PB