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Armin's flight got delayed so he missed the athletes meeting and they didn't let him compete because of that
class act ::)
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Looks like a job for Athlete's Rep Bob Chick or promoter Sean...
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forget the ifbb...all the top guys are muscletech puppets now, not weider rag dolls
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Looks like a job for Athlete's Rep Bob Chick or promoter Sean...
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha........."Athletes" rep.
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but, no problemo for drugs use!!! #1 rule!!!
miss your flight.... your out!!!
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Armin's flight got delayed so he missed the athletes meeting and they didn't let him compete because of that
class act ::)
seriously?
dear god that is stupid.
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seriously?
dear god that is stupid.
yeah almost as stupid as a 1000+ posts thread about Ronnie vs Dorian ;D
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yeah almost as stupid as a 1000+ posts thread about Ronnie vs Dorian ;D
My french canadian friend meant 1000+ pages not posts. There are way more posts then pages.
Oh and Steevios you need to start training legs bro.
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My french canadian friend meant 1000+ pages not posts. There are way more posts then pages.
Oh and Steevios you need to start training legs bro.
where have you been bro?
bench
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where have you been bro?
bench
Staying away from here. ;D
Just something I had to do for myself.
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Staying away from here. ;D
Just something I had to do for myself.
at least tell us you were banging the life out of jessica alba,and dumped her because she was poor or something ;D
bench
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nothing new..
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at least tell us you were banging the life out of jessica alba,and dumped her because she was poor or something ;D
bench
Oh yes that! ;D
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My french canadian friend meant 1000+ pages not posts. There are way more posts then pages.
Oh and Steevios you need to start training legs bro.
absolutly !
2 times per week as soon as the contest is over
I'll train calves on every training day too
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Oh yes that! ;D
thats what i thought ;D
bench
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THIS IS WERE ALL THE GUYS COULD HAVE SAID IF HE CANT COMPETE WE DONT COMPETE....GOOD GOING GUYS........HE DIETED AND TRAINED LIKE ALL THE REST AND BECAUSE HIS FLIGHT WAS DELAYED(NO FAULT OF HIS OWN) HE COULDNT COMPETE....THAT IS JUST BULLSHIT IF THAT IS THE CASE.....AND THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIM....
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THIS IS WERE ALL THE GUYS COULD HAVE SAID IF HE CANT COMPETE WE DONT COMPETE....GOOD GOING GUYS........HE DIETED AND TRAINED LIKE ALL THE REST AND BECAUSE HIS FLIGHT WAS DELAYED(NO FAULT OF HIS OWN) HE COULDNT COMPETE....THAT IS JUST BULLSHIT IF THAT IS THE CASE.....AND THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIM....
when i come late to work, telling i had a traffic jam, the boss tells me leave home 1 hour earlier ;D
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when i come late to work, telling i had a traffic jam, the boss tells me leave home 1 hour earlier ;D
YEAH BUT YOU DONT DIET 16 WEEKS TO GO TO WORK....AND THE WORK IS JUST FOR ONE DAY.........YOU WORK PROBALY 5 DAYS OUT OF 7........HE PREPARED FOR THIS 1 DAY.....
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THIS IS WERE ALL THE GUYS COULD HAVE SAID IF HE CANT COMPETE WE DONT COMPETE....GOOD GOING GUYS........HE DIETED AND TRAINED LIKE ALL THE REST AND BECAUSE HIS FLIGHT WAS DELAYED(NO FAULT OF HIS OWN) HE COULDNT COMPETE....THAT IS JUST BULLSHIT IF THAT IS THE CASE.....AND THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIM....
i totaly agree with you lee about the other guys standing up for him........ chick, did you forgot to represent the guy?
all the training he did, sacrifice he did for nothing, and how can he know whats gonna hapen with his flight, no control on that......... shame!!!
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who is his bodybuilding representative or advocate?
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Armin's flight got delayed so he missed the athletes meeting and they didn't let him compete because of that
class act ::)
How did you learn this?
I hope this isn't true :-\
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9-1-1 is a joke.
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Looks like a job for Athlete's Rep Bob Chick or promoter Sean...
Yeah like they'd help out a Milos trained athlete. ::)
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Bodybuilding is a selfish event, that's why nobody stood up for him. If one guy doesn't get to compete then everybody moves up a spot.
NOTHING is going to change until the top guys come out and take a stand. Priest is pretty much solely responsible for the PDI getting attention. It takes guys in the top 10, the guys who actually make money, to make a difference.
If Branch, Dexter, Freeman, Heath, Ruhl, Jay, Ronnie, Victor, James, Wolfe, etc...guys who WIN shows, stepped up and demand changes THEN MAYBE the IFBB wouldn't be such a joke.
When people only look out for number 1, everybody gets screwed.
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Absolute bullshit.
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Bodybuilding is a selfish event, that's why nobody stood up for him. If one guy doesn't get to compete then everybody moves up a spot.
NOTHING is going to change until the top guys come out and take a stand. Priest is pretty much solely responsible for the PDI getting attention. It takes guys in the top 10, the guys who actually make money, to make a difference.
If Branch, Dexter, Freeman, Heath, Ruhl, Jay, Ronnie, Victor, James, Wolfe, etc...guys who WIN shows, stepped up and demand changes THEN MAYBE the IFBB wouldn't be such a joke.
When people only look out for number 1, everybody gets screwed.
leading independent contractors is like herding cats
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LEE is right, but.....most of todays pro's are taught to look after number one ::) so that was probably very low on their list of things to do.
This is i think why people like LEE and a few others get pissed sometimes because all these guys should be looking after each other instead of fighting amongst themselves or sticking their head in the sand when something unjust happens.....because after all, next time it could be them getting shafted ;).
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YEAH BUT YOU DONT DIET 16 WEEKS TO GO TO WORK....AND THE WORK IS JUST FOR ONE DAY.........YOU WORK PROBALY 5 DAYS OUT OF 7........HE PREPARED FOR THIS 1 DAY.....
you profesional bodybuilders are acting like bodybuilding is such a hard job. If i had the genetics, id rather diet 16 weeks and hit the gym hard for money, than to be a cook in a hotel working 10 hours a day/ 5/6 days in the week, and yes the kitchen is hot.
Yes the other competitors should have stood up for this guy, but if this is your life, competing, than brother you have to be prepared to fly in earlier just in case you get delaued, dont take no chances even if you have to pay the hotel-room for few days extra.
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Bodybuilding is a selfish event, that's why nobody stood up for him. If one guy doesn't get to compete then everybody moves up a spot.
NOTHING is going to change until the top guys come out and take a stand. Priest is pretty much solely responsible for the PDI getting attention. It takes guys in the top 10, the guys who actually make money, to make a difference.
If Branch, Dexter, Freeman, Heath, Ruhl, Jay, Ronnie, Victor, James, Wolfe, etc...guys who WIN shows, stepped up and demand changes THEN MAYBE the IFBB wouldn't be such a joke.
When people only look out for number 1, everybody gets screwed.
Yeah thats what I was trying to say...I just said it Dumber ;D.
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Unbelievably stupid and mean.
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it amazes me that so much people over the world are a member of a fitness gym, but the bodybuilding scene is so not accepted, and little money in it for the athletes. these guys are taking huge amounts of chemicals in to the body, but they dont get no $$ in return, except for 3 top guys. its just hopeless and dangerous, cant look at it any different. :-\
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you profesional bodybuilders are acting like bodybuilding is such a hard job. If i had the genetics, id rather diet 16 weeks and hit the gym hard for money, than to be a cook in a hotel working 10 hours a day/ 5/6 days in the week, and yes the kitchen is hot.
Yes the other competitors should have stood up for this guy, but if this is your life, competing, than brother you have to be prepared to fly in earlier just in case you get delaued, dont take no chances even if you have to pay the hotel-room for few days extra.
Yeah that is also a good point EL, but still :-\.
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you profesional bodybuilders are acting like bodybuilding is such a hard job. If i had the genetics, id rather diet 16 weeks and hit the gym hard for money, than to be a cook in a hotel working 10 hours a day/ 5/6 days in the week, and yes the kitchen is hot.
Yes the other competitors should have stood up for this guy, but if this is your life, competing, than brother you have to be prepared to fly in earlier just in case you get delaued, dont take no chances even if you have to pay the hotel-room for few days extra.
That's true but doesn't mean the IFBB should treat their athletes like shit.
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IFBB sucks big time
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YEAH BUT YOU DONT DIET 16 WEEKS TO GO TO WORK....AND THE WORK IS JUST FOR ONE DAY.........YOU WORK PROBALY 5 DAYS OUT OF 7........HE PREPARED FOR THIS 1 DAY.....
While I fully agree with you Lee, the workers 5 days of pay are, seemingly, considerably less than Armin's would be if he placed in the money. Guy goes to McDonalds for a day of work, brings home $60 making minimum wage. The prize money for the CO Pro:
* 1st: $25,000.00
* 2nd: $10,000.00
* 3rd: $5,000.00
4th: $4,000.00
5th: $3,000.00
6th: $1,000.00
7th: $1,000.00
8th: $1,000.00
9th: $1,000.00
10th: $1,000.00
Say Armin places 6-10, he makes $1,000. Now, on a per day basis (112 days to 16 weeks, 1,000 divided by 112) he's making $8.92 per day. Guy isn't even making minimum wage, let alone what the aforementioned poster makes in a day! :o
(Now i just hope I didn't lose track of my thinking process while the roommate ran the vacuum, and I screwed something up!)
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Armin's flight got delayed so he missed the athletes meeting and they didn't let him compete because of that
class act ::)
But if you take a pic of yourself screwing a grapefruit, you win the show :-\
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it amazes me that so much people over the world are a member of a fitness gym, but the bodybuilding scene is so not accepted, and little money in it for the athletes. these guys are taking huge amounts of chemicals in to the body, but they dont get no $$ in return, except for 3 top guys. its just hopeless and dangerous, cant look at it any different. :-\
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, Lee, why would any of those guys risk placing lower by supporting a huge guy like that? We can predict what bodybuilders will do.
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Bob Cicherillo is a fucking joke. We have asshole Sean Ray not allowing Armin to compete EVEN THOUGH HE WAS AT THE PREJUDGING because his plane was late, and Cicherillo doesn't stand up for him to try and let this guy compete??!!! Now, if Bob didn't know, then this shows how out of touch he is with the inner workings of bodybuilding. If he did know, and didn't do a damn thing to help this guy, then he should be REMOVED FROM HIS POSITION IMMEDIATELY.
I hope you're satisfied with yourselves Sean and Bob.
By the way Bob, no need for your face to turn beet red when interviewing Jamie Eason. She isn't interested....it was pretty obvious from her rolling her eyes at your pathetic attempts to act funny. She thinks you are old and creepy.
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Lay off Chick! >:(
He represented him as best he could. Blame all the other competitors -- THEY didn't show up to the secret vote Chick had to see if Armin should be allowed to compete or not.
LOL!
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Armin's flight got delayed so he missed the athletes meeting and they didn't let him compete because of that
class act ::)
Too bad. Excuses are like assholes---we all have them...
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Armin was never IN the show...never signed a contract in advance, never called the promoter to say he was coming, never had anyone else say he would be competing.
I talked to him myself about 2 weeks ago at Golds Venice and asked him if he would be competing in Colorado...he saiud he didn't think so.
He just showed up the day of the show...it had nothing to do with him missing a flight...no one knew he was coming in the first place.
As usual...you guys jump to conclusions without ever asking for the full story and details...pathetic.
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Chic...you did a great job singing the rest of Kai Green's posing song!
You have a pretty good voice!!!
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Armin was never IN the show...never signed a contract in advance, never called the promoter to say he was coming, never had anyone else say he would be competing.
I talked to him myself about 2 weeks ago at Golds Venice and asked him if he would be competing in Colorado...he saiud he didn't think so.
He just showed up the day of the show...it had nothing to do with him missing a flight...no one knew he was coming in the first place.
As usual...you guys jump to conclusions without ever asking for the full story and details...pathetic.
Oh yes Chick, we are all so pathetic aren't we? You need to get a life yourself.
What, you have nothing better to do than come on here and debate with a bunch of retards? Must be so empowering for you!
You are fast gaining the credibility of Sean Rey.
Yes, Sean lost all cred. when he continued posting here. The same is happening to you Bob. Sad but true!
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Oh yes Chick, we are all so pathetic aren't we? You need to get a life yourself.
What, you have nothing better to do than come on here and debate with a bunch of retards? Must be so empowering for you!
You are fast gaining the credibility of Sean Rey.
Yes, Sean lost all cred. when he continued posting here. The same is happening to you Bob. Sad but true!
Geezus.
Chick got in front of the story and laid it to rest so that there won't be 10 pages of 'Armin got screwed!' before Monday morning.
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Armin was never IN the show...never signed a contract in advance, never called the promoter to say he was coming, never had anyone else say he would be competing.
Ok, boys and girls - raise your hand if you just got owned.
Thanks, Chick.
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Ok, boys and girls - raise your hand if you just got owned.
Thanks, Chick.
was pretty obvious
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Armin was never IN the show...never signed a contract in advance, never called the promoter to say he was coming, never had anyone else say he would be competing.
Didn't Shawn made it clear awhile ago that no contract was needed to enter his show, when it was said that DJ didn't sign a contract to do his show?
So what are you trying to say here?
How come Armin received his number (19) for the show, handed in his posing music, was told everything was ok, only to be approached 20 minutes later in the dressing room by an IFBB official who told him he can't compete because it's mandatory to attend the athletes meeting in order to compete?
The official didn't mention signing a contract as the reason for not competing.
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Didn't Shawn made it clear awhile ago that no contract was needed to enter his show, when it was said that DJ didn't sign a contract to do his show?
So what are you trying to say here?
How come Armin received his number (19) for the show, handed in his posing music, was told everything was ok, only to be approached 20 minutes later in the dressing room by an IFBB offiicial who told him he can't compete because it's mandatory to attend the athletes meeting in order to compete?
The official didn't mention signing a contract as the reason for not competing.
shut!!! Antonio you are making Bob looks bad !
he if trying to hide that fact that he didn't do his job the best that he can !
don't hate man ;D
Bob that answer is pathetic seriously. The guy took a fucking plane, is right there at the show in contest shape, why not let him fucking compete if he wants
Monster trying to protect the ifbb instead of working for the athletes
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shut!!! Antonio you are making Bob looks bad !
he if trying to hide that fact that he didn't do his job the best that he can !
don't hate man ;D
Bob that answer is pathetic seriously. The guy took a fucking plane, is right there at the show in contest shape, why not let him fucking compete if he wants
Monster trying to protect the ifbb instead of working for the athletes
Why complain
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Didn't Shawn made it clear awhile ago that no contract was needed to enter his show, when it was said that DJ didn't sign a contract to do his show?
So what are you trying to say here?
How come Armin received his number (19) for the show, handed in his posing music, was told everything was ok, only to be approached 20 minutes later in the dressing room by an IFBB official who told him he can't compete because it's mandatory to attend the athletes meeting in order to compete?
The official didn't mention signing a contract as the reason for not competing.
Interesting.
Bob, who made the decision to not allow this man to compete?
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What does the show lose in not letting an athlete compete?
It's not that the audience would boo him away because he didn't sign his supposed to be contract on time?
How was this move good for bodybuilding/IFBB?
God knows they can use some positive energy now...
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Didn't Shawn made it clear awhile ago that no contract was needed to enter his show, when it was said that DJ didn't sign a contract to do his show?
So what are you trying to say here?
How come Armin received his number (19) for the show, handed in his posing music, was told everything was ok, only to be approached 20 minutes later in the dressing room by an IFBB official who told him he can't compete because it's mandatory to attend the athletes meeting in order to compete?
The official didn't mention signing a contract as the reason for not competing.
Bob Chick, is this true?
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stavios
Armin didn't want to compete maybe thats why?
how do you know that he wanted to compete ?
just because he is dieting it doesn't mean that he is competing in that day
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stavios
Armin didn't want to compete maybe thats why?
how do you know that he wanted to compete ?
just because he is dieting it doesn't mean that he is competing in that day
this comes from antonio on Milos board and he talks to Milos a lot.
he planned to compete he had 1 week out pictures posted
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??? ??? ???
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The IFBB Pro League should be happy for any competitor.
Otherwise it's digging his own grave. I remember when the NY Pro Show was called "Night of Champions" with 50 IFBB Pros and 2800 sold out seats. 3 weeks ago it was 19 competitors and 600 seats.
What went wrong???
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See the problem is you have to have rules in anything. If you make an exception for one guy, whats next exceptions for everybody? see people will start stretching the rules and using their own interpretations, this causes huge problems and no integrity within the organization. What would happen if this guy or anyone else went on to win after being allowed leeway after others all followed the rules by the book.....there would be an outrage and rightfully so.
The rules must be enforced across the board to everyone from the top to the bottom. Anything else is Anarchy.
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The IFBB Pro League should be happy for any competitor.
Otherwise it's digging his own grave. I remember when the NY Pro Show was called "Night of Champions" with 50 IFBB Pros and 2800 sold out seats. 3 weeks ago it was 19 competitors and 600 seats.
What went wrong???
from the pics that I saw the place holds 600 seats tops...and only 50 people were in attendance..if that much
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So, he basically tried to what Arnold did in 1980? The difference is that Arnold was the IFBB golden boy and Armin is not.
With bullshit like this, I am expecting for midget wrestling to overtake bodybuilding in popularity any day now.
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Here is why Armin wasn't allowed to compete:
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Armin's flight got delayed so he missed the athletes meeting and they didn't let him compete because of that
class act ::)
I love Armin, but a missed flight IS his fault. He knew when the contest was and when the meeting was. We all know flights can be delayed one or even two days. It was his responsibility to ensure he arrived in time to attend such a meeting. I would have let him compete, but I can’t find fault with anyone who would not.
The amount of time he spent getting ready for the show is a side issue and irrelevant.
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The ironical point is we heard that Sean was aware of Silvio's photos before the New York Pro and 'saved' Silvio afterwards. How come Sean didn't see Armin's photos that everyone else saw here and on Milos' site? Typical selective interpretation of rules again, perhaps? Bodybuilding is becoming a vaudeville side show nowadays. The more we hear the more we shake our heads at what goes on again and again.
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Here is why Armin wasn't allowed to compete:
Guy looks good.....in the gym by himself. Up on stage with the others is a completely different story.
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How much money on cutting drugs did he waste!!!
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Here is why Armin wasn't allowed to compete:
Please explain.
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You guys don't seem to get it do you? Anyone who has anything to do with this guy:
(http://www.qfac.com/images/milosgloss.gif)
Will never amount to anything in the IFBB.
Silvio was from that camp and they muscled his ass out of it, Armin is from that camp and while it was STATED CLEARLY BEFORE THAT NO CONTRACT WAS NEEDED and even after ARMIN SHOWED UP AND WAS GIVEN HIS NUMBER, ALONG WITH THEM ACCEPTING HIS POSING MUSIC, the IFBB reps put things together and sniffed the Milos off of him and then decided to teabag his ass while fully awake...
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I saw Milos at the expo and asked him why he wasnt competing because we heard on getbig that Milos may compete...
Milos told me and my friend that the IFBB banned/suspended him from competing....
I would have loved to see Milos onstage competing
I dont understand why the IFBB would ban some of its athletes who would bring excitement to the sport...
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I saw Milos at the expo and asked him why he wasnt competing because we heard on getbig that Milos may compete...
Milos told me and my friend that the IFBB banned/suspended him from competing....
I would have loved to see Milos onstage competing
I dont understand why the IFBB would ban some of its athletes who would bring excitement to the sport...
He's not banned. He's suspended for 1 year currently, however look for Bob to speak more on it tomorrow on PBW.
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Not sure I follow - what does Armin not competing have to do with Milos not competing?
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OneMoreRep said :
the IFBB reps put things together and sniffed the Milos off of him and then decided to teabag his ass while fully awake...
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Not sure I follow - what does Armin not competing have to do with Milos not competing?
The two have nothing to do with one another.
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this practice is called double standards:
if a colored person is late it's ok because it's in their culture but if a caucasian is late...there'll be hell to pay! :)
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Armin was never IN the show...never signed a contract in advance, never called the promoter to say he was coming, never had anyone else say he would be competing.
I talked to him myself about 2 weeks ago at Golds Venice and asked him if he would be competing in Colorado...he saiud he didn't think so.
He just showed up the day of the show...it had nothing to do with him missing a flight...no one knew he was coming in the first place.
As usual...you guys jump to conclusions without ever asking for the full story and details...pathetic.
bullshit
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Armin was never IN the show...never signed a contract in advance, never called the promoter to say he was coming, never had anyone else say he would be competing.
I talked to him myself about 2 weeks ago at Golds Venice and asked him if he would be competing in Colorado...he saiud he didn't think so.
He just showed up the day of the show...it had nothing to do with him missing a flight...no one knew he was coming in the first place.
As usual...you guys jump to conclusions without ever asking for the full story and details...pathetic.
STILL COULD OF LET HIM ...HE PAID HIS WAY THERE SO WHY NOT LET HIM COMPETE...I KNOW A FEW LAST MINUTE ENTRIES INTO THE IRONMAN WHO WERE ALLOWED TO COMPETE
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Armin is probably checking PDi show dates for the fall as we speak :P
Anyone know - did armin stay and watch the show at least?
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Armin posted his view over on milo's board:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=8423.0
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Armin is probably checking PDi show dates for the fall as we speak :P
Anyone know - did armin stay and watch the show at least?
Yes - Armin was at the show and was seen eating ice cream. Perhaps he's following the Adonis diet.
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Armin is probably checking PDi show dates for the fall as we speak :P
Last year, the PDI said that they would have a 'spring schedule' for 2007.
Why don't they have a show for this man to compete in?
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Yes - Armin was at the show and was seen eating ice cream. Perhaps he's following the Adonis diet.
Was it like, one little ice cream cone?
Or was he just completely destroying a big sundae with sprinkles?
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Armin posted his view over on milo's board:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=8423.0
"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."
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Or was he just completely destroying a big sundae with sprinkles?
And was he eating it off the abs of one of those hot figure competitors? :D
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Last year, the PDI said that they would have a 'spring schedule' for 2007.
Why don't they have a show for this man to compete in?
I dunno.
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Was it like, one little ice cream cone?
Or was he just completely destroying a big sundae with sprinkles?
Sans Sprinkles.
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Armin was never in the show...plain and simple.
He literally showed up on SATURDAY morning, unannounced...no notice, no meeting (which is mandatory), no nothing.
It's really quite simple...it simply would not be fair to the other 17 competitors who did have a contract in, did notify the promoter, did attend the meeting, etc....it would set a bad prescedent to allow pro's to walk up and jump in at a minutes notice.....how many other guys would just wait and see who enters, or how they look on game day...only to jump in or bail out at the last minute? BAD IDEA.
This aint the NPC...this is the IFBB, and any profesional should have his shit together and have some idea that he's going to be competing, especially when the show and date has been announced since last year.
BTW...Armin wasn't mad, he didn't really care if he was let in or not. He knos the rules and even said himself that he understood if the answer was no.
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Staying away from here. ;D
Just something I had to do for myself.
haha getbig addiction
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it simply would not be fair to the other 17 competitors who did have a contract in
Contract wasn't necessary remember?
BTW...Armin wasn't mad, he didn't really care if he was let in or not. He knos the rules and even said himself that he understood if the answer was no.
Morning!
I dont really like to write something on any boards but I think now I have to..
First thing to all of you- relaxe!
I didnt came from germany to usa to compete in any show! I came few weeks ago to fullerton to make some fotoshoots for my sponsor nutrex, to help my friend milos with his seminar and not at least because I enjoy it to train in his gym!
Milos tried to make me to compete in keystone or colorado because I´m in shape anyway- I was not sure it is a good idea because I was not 100% contest-ready..
Finaly I decided to compete in colorado - I missed the athletes meeting - that was the reason why they didnt let me compete - my folk - I can take it!
No big deal for me because I planed to come to colorado anyway..
But...
what will happen to somebody he miss the meeting or whatever and he really come from the other side of the world just to compete in that contest - he spend a lot of time and a cople of tousand dollars for his preparation/flight/hotel/rentalcar? And get nearly nothing back! How much for 6th-10th place? 1000$!??! I mean thats better than nothing - but it is nearly nothing - you have to pay just for the flight about 1000$.... And dont forget- the most guys they place 6th-10th doesnt have a big sponsor or anything...
If I think about that- I think it would be better if they handle situation like that in a different way!
Sport frei!
Armin
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Armin is a well-spoken gent, even in temperment, he appears to be a good fellow for the sport.
So is Milos, suspension, for what?
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Hey Armin-
Thanks for posting and lending some insight into the situation.
To answer your question....If you were to let the promoter of ANY pro show in advance that you were to be delayed, or some other circumstance...they would be more than accomodating and work with the athlete as best they can....especially with a European competitor who is coming from a long way to compete.
Best of luck to you in your next show....
See...I told you that you looked good enough to compete...!
Get on stage big man...Olympia is coming!!
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Contract wasn't necessary remember?
Morning!
I dont really like to write something on any boards but I think now I have to..
First thing to all of you- relaxe!
I didnt came from germany to usa to compete in any show! I came few weeks ago to fullerton to make some fotoshoots for my sponsor nutrex, to help my friend milos with his seminar and not at least because I enjoy it to train in his gym!
Milos tried to make me to compete in keystone or colorado because I´m in shape anyway- I was not sure it is a good idea because I was not 100% contest-ready..
Finaly I decided to compete in colorado - I missed the athletes meeting - that was the reason why they didnt let me compete - my folk - I can take it!
No big deal for me because I planed to come to colorado anyway..
But...
what will happen to somebody he miss the meeting or whatever and he really come from the other side of the world just to compete in that contest - he spend a lot of time and a cople of tousand dollars for his preparation/flight/hotel/rentalcar? And get nearly nothing back! How much for 6th-10th place? 1000$!??! I mean thats better than nothing - but it is nearly nothing - you have to pay just for the flight about 1000$.... And dont forget- the most guys they place 6th-10th doesnt have a big sponsor or anything...
If I think about that- I think it would be better if they handle situation like that in a different way!
Sport frei!
Armin
Armin would have won.....those little guys were probably shitting when they saw him with pro-tan on......hahahahahahah 8)
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THIS IS WERE ALL THE GUYS COULD HAVE SAID IF HE CANT COMPETE WE DONT COMPETE....GOOD GOING GUYS........HE DIETED AND TRAINED LIKE ALL THE REST AND BECAUSE HIS FLIGHT WAS DELAYED(NO FAULT OF HIS OWN) HE COULDNT COMPETE....THAT IS JUST BULLSHIT IF THAT IS THE CASE.....AND THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIM....
very well said!
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THIS IS WERE ALL THE GUYS COULD HAVE SAID IF HE CANT COMPETE WE DONT COMPETE....GOOD GOING GUYS........HE DIETED AND TRAINED LIKE ALL THE REST AND BECAUSE HIS FLIGHT WAS DELAYED(NO FAULT OF HIS OWN) HE COULDNT COMPETE....THAT IS JUST BULLSHIT IF THAT IS THE CASE.....AND THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIM....
It wasn't the case.
Thanks for contributing...
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Is there anything sadder than binging on Dreyer's Grand Strawberry ice cream in an empty auditorium at 7 PM on a Saturday night?
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bob, what is this rumor about a 10-year old stripper? I haven't seen the clip, but it sounds odd.
if it's true, will you be giving Shawn and jeff the same amounf of grief you STILL give Wayne for having a child onstage at the 2004 NOC?
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bob, what is this rumor about a 10-year old stripper? I haven't seen the clip, but it sounds odd.
if it's true, will you be giving Shawn and jeff the same amounf of grief you STILL give Wayne for having a child onstage at the 2004 NOC?
There was no 10 year old stripper.
Wayne's senario involved his young son and Kenny Jones in a "Michael Jackson" child porn gig...it was soundly booed off the stage by the sell out crowd...
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Yes - Armin was at the show and was seen eating ice cream. Perhaps he's following the Adonis diet.
INGREDIENTS: milk, cream, sugar, skim milk, strawberries and strawberry puree, guar gum, carob bean gum, citric acid, carrageenan, cellulose gum, natural flavor, mono and diglycerides, dextrose, Red #40, Blue #1
Nutritional facts
Amount per 1/2 Cup
Calories
Calories from Fat
130
50
Total Fat
Saturated Fat
Trans Fat 6 (g)
4 (g)
0 (g)
Cholesterol 20 (mg)
Sodium 30 (mg)
Total Carbohydrates 16 (g)
Dietary Fiber 0 (g)
Sugars 15 (g)
Protein 2 (g
Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if Armin stoped himself after only one 1/2 cup serving.
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There was no 10 year old stripper.
Okay. What was a 10-year old doing on a bodybuilding stage last night?
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Wayne's senario .... the sell out crowd...
Isn't it ironic? Dontcha think?
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There were a few entertaining acts...one was a breakdance style troup, another was one of the judges 10 Y.O. daughter who competes in unior dance and fitness style competitions...she did a great routine just like the Pro Fitness girls...flips, strength moves, floor work, etc.
Audience loved her talent, and gave her a greta round of applause.
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There was no 10 year old stripper.
Wayne's scenario involved his young son and Kenny Jones in a "Michael Jackson" child porn gig...it was soundly booed off the stage by the sell out crowd...
correct, she wasn't stripping. it was a 10 year old child in hot pants and a halter top doing cartwheels, flips and gyrating her pelvic muscles to ghetto jive
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Okay. What was a 10-year old doing on a bodybuilding stage last night?
The IFBB is done. Stick a fork in it and lets go home. 8)
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God why you guys make such a big deal out of this. Like in real life, you just cant show up and expect people to accomdate you when everyone else is expected to make reservations or let the people know in advance., It would be like flying to a island resort and just walking to the check in and expecting them to have a room for you, you need to make reservations.
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correct, she wasn't stripping. it was a 10 year old child in hot pants and a halter top doing cartwheels, flips and gyrating her pelvic muscles to ghetto jive
If this is true then that's pretty bad. ???
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bob, what is this rumor about a 10-year old stripper? I haven't seen the clip, but it sounds odd.
if it's true, will you be giving Shawn and jeff the same amounf of grief you STILL give Wayne for having a child onstage at the 2004 NOC?
According to Bob, IFBB-affiliated 10-year-old strippers are okay, PDI-affiliated 10-year-old strippers are not!
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I don't know how I feel about webcasting a 5th grade girl doing gymnastics. But if the audience at a BBing show loved it, I can't see there being anything wrong with it.
Audience loved her talent, and gave her a greta round of applause.
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correct, she wasn't stripping. it was a 10 year old child in hot pants and a halter top doing cartwheels, flips and gyrating her pelvic muscles to ghetto jive
Exactly. There's no way you can justify or defend this shit, yet we all know Bob's gonna keep beating his head against the wall trying! ;D
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She's a junior fitness competitor. Simple as that. The sport of fitness is dying and when someone tries to showcase young talent you want to call it a strip show? Come on.
Come up with some better bashing material than that.
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Exactly. There's no way you can justify or defend this shit, yet we all know Bob's gonna keep beating his head against the wall trying! ;D
Clearly, some of you have never left the house.....there is girls gymnastics, girls cheerleading, girls dance,etc....everywhere.
Check out the ASC every year and the 100's of cheerleaders from 4-14 years old doing the same thing...there was nothing wrong with it.
The fact that a few of you see a 10 year old and automatically think "stripper" is a little frightening.....
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sir: this is the garbage and sexual filth you served us, the audience.
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She's a junior fitness competitor. Simple as that. The sport of fitness is dying and when someone tries to showcase young talent you want to call it a strip show? Come on.
Come up with some better bashing material than that.
Junior fitness competitor at 10 years old?? Come on, IF and I say IF cause I wasn't there and you were, she was gyrating her hips and speading hers legs for the crowd like I have seen some of the ladies do in their routine then it's wrong! If your an adult then fine, but not a ten year old.
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BTW, I would ;D
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Clearly, some of you have never left the house.....there is girls gymnastics, girls cheerleading, girls dance,etc....everywhere.
Check out the ASC every year and the 100's of cheerleaders from 4-14 years old doing the same thing...there was nothing wrong with it.
The fact that a few of you see a 10 year old and automatically think "stripper" is a little frightening.....
correct, she wasn't stripping. it was a 10 year old child in hot pants and a halter top doing cartwheels, flips and gyrating her pelvic muscles to ghetto jive
She was doing an adult routine in an adult venue. It was inappropriate, period. I think the people here who have children and aren't IFBB lackeys like Bob and Lift will agree with me.
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Junior fitness competitor at 10 years old?? Come on, IF and I say IF cause I wasn't there and you were, she was gyrating her hips and speading hers legs for the crowd like I have seen some of the ladies do in their routine then it's wrong! If your an adult then fine, but not a ten year old.
As it clearly stated all along on the event site and program:
Guest Fitness Routine (10 yr. Old Fitness) - LeeAnn Thompson -'06 National Champion
So one must wait until turning 18 or 21 before performing certain moves in a fitness routine?
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She was doing an adult routine in an adult venue. It was inappropriate, period. I think the people here who have children and aren't IFBB lackeys like Bob and Lift will agree with me.
It's only inappropriate for guys like you who think of it that way. Didn't we see you on Dateline?
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You had a pre-teen gyrating in skimpy outfits to 'This is why I'm hot'...and doing costume changes behind a thin little sheet.
I can't believe people are defending this. It was in poor taste...and very inappropriate. Leave it to bodybuilding to try and legitimize softcore pedophilia.
BB should hold these contests in a petri dish.
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So one must wait until turning 18 or 21 before performing certain moves in a fitness routine?
Uhhhh, yeah. ::) We put age limits on all kinds of things. Among them should be wearing sexually suggestive outfits and performing sexually suggestive moves for an adult audience at 10 years old. >:(
This should be a no-brainer. The fact that it's even being debated tells you how many perverts there are in the IFBB.
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So one must wait until turning 18 or 21 before performing certain moves in a fitness routine?
Yes I do.
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She was doing an adult routine in an adult venue. It was inappropriate, period. I think the people here who have children and aren't IFBB lackeys like Bob and Lift will agree with me.
Apparently, her parents dont agree with you....and perhaps you missed her credentials...
NATIONAL CHAMPION.
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I will be the first to admit that when a girl does this kind of pose that I posted above, the first place I look is at her crotch area. I certainly would not want my 10 year old daughter doing that kind of shit on stage.
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Apparently, her parents dont agree with you....and perhaps you missed her credentials...
NATIONAL CHAMPION.
Then her parents have poor judgment Bob and she had NO credentials.
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It's only inappropriate for guys like you who think of it that way. Didn't we see you on Dateline?
sir: you need to ask that question to the shows PRODUCERS not the public whom you delivered it to.
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Uhhhh, yeah. ::) We put age limits on all kinds of things. Among them should be wearing sexually suggestive outfits and performing sexually suggestive moves for an adult audience at 10 years old. >:(
This should be a no-brainer. The fact that it's even being debated tells you how many perverts there in the IFBB.
Sexually sugestive to WHO? A pedophile like yourself? There was nothing remotely "suggestive" about ther routine...much like the never ending "gay" threads...you see what you want to see.
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Yes I do.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=152429.0;attach=170038;image)
She's very well-developed for a ten year old. Frightening.
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Apparently, her parents dont agree with you....
That doesn't make them right.
I think that's why child abuse laws exist, Bob. ::)
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Sexually sugestive to WHO? A pedophile like yourself? There was nothing remotely "suggestive" about ther routine...much like the never ending "gay" threads...you see what you want to see.
hahahahaha, goatboy is just angry that even she would reject him.
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Armin is a well-spoken gent, even in temperment, he appears to be a good fellow for the sport.
Very well-stated by you.
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How do you let the promoter know you are going to be late if you don't you are going to be late until it is too late and you are already late. Do you call the day before predicting the plane will be late and tell them you had a premonition the plane will be late. It's not like he was stuck i traffic knowing it will take him an hour to get there and the meeting was in 10 minutes. I just find it interesting how you and the IFBB choose the rules to bend. But hey, great job defending one of your members. You are doing great.
FIRST..you let the promoter know your COMPETING, then we'll take it from there.
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What a great sport where a top professional bodybuilder canot take part in the event because his plane was delayed, but a 10 year old girl can spread them for a webcast, and it's okay because 'her parents said so".
::)
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Sexually sugestive to WHO? A pedophile like yourself? There was nothing remotely "suggestive" about ther routine...much like the never ending "gay" threads...you see what you want to see.
Not even two pages ago you stated: Wayne's senario involved his young son and Kenny Jones in a "Michael Jackson" child porn gig. Pretty hypocritical, Bob.
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That doesn't make them right.
I think that's why child abuse laws exist, Bob. ::)
How about the THOUSANDS of young girls in gymnastics and cheerleading? Guess they should get rid of these also...better add swiming too, wouldn't want you getting a chubby watching them do the breast stroke..!
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Not even two pages ago you stated: Wayne's senario involved his young son and Kenny Jones in a "Michael Jackson" child porn gig. Pretty hypocritical, Bob.
Bob thought the worst of the michael jackson skit.
that's frightening.
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The fact that a few of you see a 10 year old and automatically think "stripper" is a little frightening.....
Well, when you see what's being taught to pre-teens in dance classes nowadays, it's no wonder people think that. I'm in southern California and the culture here is frightening. :-\
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hahahahaha everbody in Houston keep your little girls away from "goatboy".
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Well, when you see what's being taught to pre-teens in dance classes nowadays, it's no wonder people think that. I'm in southern California and the culture here is frightening. :-\
Times have changed my friend.....
In the roaring 20's...women couldn't show their legs...(just ask Bastile)
In the 50's...Elvis wouldn't be shown from the waist down because he was "gyrating" his hips
And so on, and so on....what was unacceptable then is comon place now.
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How about the THOUSANDS of young girls in gymnastics and cheerleading? Guess they should get rid of these also...better add swiming too, wouldn't want you getting a chubby watching them do the breast stroke..!
Bob, if you can't see the difference between a normal gymnastics or cheerleading meet and what happened last night, there's no hope for you. ::)
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Did any of the 7 people in attendance walk out after seeing her?
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I no prude by any means, but this girl was being highlited as some kind of guest performer I am imagining. It was not a gymnastic event, there were no other "kids" there and she was dancing suggestivley and speading her legs for an adult audience. To me it does not show any type of athletic ability and it would have made me quite uncomfortable if I was there and I would have left the theater until it was over, seriously.
I was at the Pittsburgh show one year and there was a girl in the adult figure who was 15 I think. I felt the same way then. There is no way in hell I am going to judge a 15 year old girl in a skimpy suit and have her turn around so I can look at her ass. Fucking bullshit!!!!
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Did any of the 7 people in attendance walk out after seeing her?
Probably not. Anyone who would have left did so when the dance troupe started the hairspray song.
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Bob, if you can't see the difference between a normal gymnastics or cheerleading meet and what happened last night, there's no hope for you. ::)
I see all of them at the ASC every year...check it out sometime and you tell me if you see a difference. The cheerleaders are FAR worse...gyrating, hip thrusting, splits, ass shaking...(getting turned on yet?)
It's all in what you perceive...which is very suspect right about now.
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How about the THOUSANDS of young girls in gymnastics and cheerleading? Guess they should get rid of these also...better add swimming too, wouldn't want you getting a chubby watching them do the breast stroke..!
evidence has shown that there's a network of sexual perverts who take photographs of children at these cheerleading events and sell/trade them on the internet.
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I no prude by any means, but this girl was being highlited as some kind of guest performer I am imagining. It was not a gymnastic event, there were no other "kids" there and she was dancing suggestivley and speading her legs for an adult audience. To me it does not show any type of athletic ability and it would have made me quite uncomfortable if I was there and I would have left the theater until it was over, seriously.
I was at the Pittsburgh show one year and there was a girl in the adult figure who was 15 I think. I felt the same way then. There is no way in hell I am going to judge a 15 year old girl in a skimpy suit and have her turn around so I can look at her ass. Fucking bullshit!!!!
No one was uncomfortable, no one left, and no one complained...it was a nice fitness routine which you appreciated her talent level for being so young...it wasn't a striptease, there was no bras pole, and no one pulled out any money...
Why not watch it first, then make a comment about it...
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I see all of them at the ASC every year...check it out sometime and you tell me if you see a difference. The cheerleaders are FAR worse...gyrating, hip thrusting, splits, ass shaking...(getting turned on yet?)
It's all in what you perceive...which is very suspect right about now.
Go back and read the comments that were made during the live webcast about the incident. Trust me, you're in the minority on this one. Start a poll on whether people think this was "acceptable" or "inappropriate", and I guarantee you'll find most people aren't pervs like you, Bob.
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No one was uncomfortable, no one left, and no one complained...it was a nice fitness routine which you appreciated her talent level for being so young...it wasn't a striptease, there was no bras pole, and no one pulled out any money...
Why not watch it first, then make a comment about it...
OK, I will and then I will give you my honest opinion, but Bob I really don't see it appropiate for 10 year olds to do this type of thing. And as far as the cheerleaders go I think that it sends a bad message too. Damn, I must be getting old, but I guess you gotta draw the line some where.
The NPC should not encourage minors to get up on stage in next to nothing and do turns so people and judges can look at their ass. Just wrong.
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They should have hyped this whole event as a 10 year old girl pretending to be a stripper and then also a bodybuilding competition on the side. The crowd would have tripled.
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Go back and read the comments that were made during the live webcast about the incident. Trust me, you're in the minority on this one. Start a poll on whether people think this was "acceptable" or "inappropriate", and I guarantee you'll find most people aren't pervs like you, Bob.
I'M THE PERVE? I'm not the one who see's a 10 year old doing a fittness routine and automatically thinks...sexy, suggestive, etc...YOU ARE.
And please...comments by who? People on Getbig?
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They should have hyped this whole event as a 10 year old girl pretending to be a stripper and then also a bodybuilding competition on the side. The crowd would have tripled.
Given how hard Bob is arguing this, it would seem the two have the same audience base anyway. :-\
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it's really ok, it's just part of the IFBB/PDI carnival package.
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Go back and read the comments that were made during the live webcast about the incident. Trust me, you're in the minority on this one. Start a poll on whether people think this was "acceptable" or "inappropriate", and I guarantee you'll find most people aren't pervs like you, Bob.
Good point. The getbig thread about the show was well behaved. It was full of people actually interested in the show....and it was unanimous that no one was impressed with the pre-teen portion of the show.
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Is there a link to this routine or pics?
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I mean this very seriously. Is that girl above really just 10 years old.
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Is there a link to this routine or pics?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2007colpro_main.htm
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http://webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/2007copro/2007copro_sat_fin.htm
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Is there a link to this routine or pics?
You can download the BB.com webcast... it's probably 1/2 way in... before the pro men's finals.
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I mean this very seriously. Is that girl above really just 10 years old.
no the one shown above is a Philippine transgender 13 year old boy
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Is there a link to this routine or pics?
Prepare to be shocked and horrified, Jimmy......see does a handstand, some one handed pushups, and even a few tumbling passes!! ;D
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i suppose lip service after the fact could be a form of "athlete representation"
You still havn't explained how for the next time Armin is supposed to know ahead of time
that his flight will get delayed so that he can tell the promoter?
Hey Armin-
Thanks for posting and lending some insight into the situation.
To answer your question....If you were to let the promoter of ANY pro show in advance that you were to be delayed, or some other circumstance...they would be more than accomodating and work with the athlete as best they can....especially with a European competitor who is coming from a long way to compete.
Best of luck to you in your next show....
See...I told you that you looked good enough to compete...!
Get on stage big man...Olympia is coming!!
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i suppose lip service after the fact could be a form of "athlete representation"
You still havn't explained how for the next time Armin is supposed to know ahead of time
that his flight will get delayed so that he can tell the promoter?
First...you have to be IN the show for it to be relevant.
Second....how about a PHONE CALL?
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I will be the first to admit that when a girl does this kind of pose that I posted above, the first place I look is at her crotch area. I certainly would not want my 10 year old daughter doing that kind of shit on stage.
I hope you never watch the Olympics then. You see 12-15yr old girls do this on their floor routines all the time.
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I hope you never watch the Olympics then. You see 12-15yr old girls do this on their floor routines all the time.
Olympians have a dress code and standards...it ain't no circus or canival
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I hope you never watch the Olympics then. You see 12-15yr old girls do this on their floor routines all the time.
Whole differant animal girl.
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Is there any way to fast forward this braodcast? :'( ;D
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Second....how about a PHONE CALL?
Was that implied, or directly stated?
Armin is from another culture. In america, phone calls for "FYI" might be the norm. Over there, they have different ways of doing things.
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Was that implied, or directly stated?
Armin is from another culture. In america, phone calls for "FYI" might be the norm. Over there, they have different ways of doing things.
Were not talking about "FYI" in any other sense other than "Hey...I'd like to do your show, put my name down"....or....."send me a contract for your show.." etc.
Everthing after that and any of the 100 scenario's are irrelevant.
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In NASCAR if you miss a drivers meeting you get put in last place in the starting grid. Seeing as bodybuilding isn't a race...it seems appropriate that they kept him from competing.
As a pro....he should know this stuff. The whining about this alleged "missed flight" seems fake & obtuse.
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Were not talking about "FYI" in any other sense other than "Hey...I'd like to do your show, put my name down"....or....."send me a contract for your show.." etc.
Everthing after that and any of the 100 scenario's are irrelevant.
europeans had hand phones before americans
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In NASCAR if you miss a drivers meeting you get put in last place in the starting grid. Seeing as bodybuilding isn't a race...it seems appropriate that they kept him from competing.
As a pro....he should know this stuff. The whining about this alleged "missed flight" seems fake & obtuse.
Armin isn't whining, didn't complain, and wasn't even expecting to be let in the show.....
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Armin isn't whining, didn't complain, and wasn't even expecting to be let in the show.....
I'm referring to the posters on this board, Bob.
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Armin isn't whining, didn't complain, and wasn't even expecting to be let in the show.....
But should have been allowed to compete regardless.
Yes, he should have called, but even so, his NOT being in the show only hurt the promoters and fans.
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But should have been allowed to compete regardless.
Yes, he should have called, but even so, his NOT being in the show only hurt the promoters and fans.
True. It wiuld have been killer to see armin tower over, these 5'6" middleweights.
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But should have been allowed to compete regardless.
Yes, he should have called, but even so, his NOT being in the show only hurt the promoters and fans.
No, he shouldn't have. It would ot have been fair to the other 17 athletes that somehow managed to get their contracts in on time, and make the mandatory meeting.
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right or wrong, once again the IFBB looks petty. you'd think they'd want to stop doing that.
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No, he shouldn't have. It would ot have been fair to the other 17 athletes that somehow managed to get their contracts in on time, and make the mandatory meeting.
Wasnt it stated "No need for contracts"??
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THIS IS WERE ALL THE GUYS COULD HAVE SAID IF HE CANT COMPETE WE DONT COMPETE....GOOD GOING GUYS........HE DIETED AND TRAINED LIKE ALL THE REST AND BECAUSE HIS FLIGHT WAS DELAYED(NO FAULT OF HIS OWN) HE COULDNT COMPETE....THAT IS JUST BULLSHIT IF THAT IS THE CASE.....AND THE OTHER GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIM....
well said. Agree 100%
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Wasnt it stated "No need for contracts"??
That's what I said a few times already but it's being ignored.
Shawn was bragging how DJ would do his show, when Melvin said DJ didn't sign a contract and concentrated on NY show 100% so it wasn't sure yet.
Shawn then said no contract was needed to enter his show and DJ already told him he would do the show.
Ofcourse the posts are deleted so I can't bring it up anymore but maybe somebody saved that one (MattC?)
Issue is cleared already so I'll let it go this time ;)
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That's what I said a few times already but it's being ignored.
Shawn was bragging how DJ would do his show, when Melvin said DJ didn't sign a contract and concentrated on NY show 100% so it wasn't sure yet.
Shawn then said no contract was needed to enter his show and DJ already told him he would do the show.
Ofcourse the posts are deleted so I can't bring it up anymore but maybe somebody saved that one (MattC?)
Issue is cleared already so I'll let it go this time ;)
It's not being ignored...it's already been explained...a few times.
If the promoter didn't require signed contracts prior to a certain date, he at least required a verbal or written commitment from the athlete....DJ had a verbal agreement...Armin had neither.
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That's what I said a few times already but it's being ignored.
Shawn was bragging how DJ would do his show, when Melvin said DJ didn't sign a contract and concentrated on NY show 100% so it wasn't sure yet.
Shawn then said no contract was needed to enter his show and DJ already told him he would do the show.
Ofcourse the posts are deleted so I can't bring it up anymore but maybe somebody saved that one (MattC?)
Issue is cleared already so I'll let it go this time ;)
What up with this, Bob???? I could see the other athletes freaking out saying:
"Oh my gawd, is he entering??? He'll take the first 10 places and leave us with shit.......Holy hell, lets bitch to shawn about this.."
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At least give the guy a participant trophy..
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http://webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/2007copro/2007copro_sat_fin.htm
Bob, can't find the routine. Can you tell me who she goes on after?
Personally I would not want my 13 YEAR OLD!! daughter doing this kind of stuff on a stage in front of 7 guys. A couple of these pics I found where posted on herbiceps.com. Basically a perv site for schmoes. Maybe the routine in and of itself of the 10 year old was not that bad and I will try and veiw it, but I DO NOT think that the NPC should be promoting this kind of stuff. Just my opinion.
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Not right. :(
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Then her parents have poor judgment Bob and she had NO credentials.
National Champion is not a credential? Help me with this one. She is also a two-time state champion as you heard Tom state. What are your credentials?
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What are your credentials?
Being on the far side of puberty? ::)
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Bob, can't find the routine. Can you tell me who she goes on after?
Personally I would not want my 13 YEAR OLD!! daughter doing this kind of stuff on a stage in front of 7 guys. A couple of these pics I found where posted on herbiceps.com. Basically a perv site for schmoes. Maybe the routine in and of itself of the 10 year old was not that bad and I will try and veiw it, but I DO NOT think that the NPC should be promoting this kind of stuff. Just my opinion.
You really do need to get out more. I am a father of 4 daughters. They all compete in gymnastics and competitive cheerleading. I saw the routine and saw the one you posted here of the 16 year old from ATL (fyi this is from last years Teen Nationals) and there was certainly nothing provactive about the routine nor were the costumes.
I find it amazing that you are so quick to post negatives about this little girl and her family without reviewing the routine. People like yourself are constantly looking for the negative in everything...
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National Champion is not a credential? Help me with this one. She is also a two-time state champion as you heard Tom state. What are your credentials?
Sean's home!!!!!!!! ;D
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BTW, do the math, the pics I posted of Victoria Larvie are from 2004. She was born in 1991. ::) Makes her 13 dumbass.
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BTW, do the math, the pics I posted of Victoria Larvie are from 2004. She was born in 1991. ::) Makes her 13 dumbass.
Wrong again dumbass...the supergirl routine was from last year! The first pic is when she was almost 14.
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Fat Shawn, it doesnt help your argument when you post as TexasBlubber or Sgtd ::)
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Wrong again dumbass...the supergirl routine was from last year! The first pic is when she was almost 14.
Almost 14 makes her 13 Sean. Jesus did you even gradjitate from highschool?
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Almost 14 makes her 13 Sean. Jesus did you even gradjitate from highschool?
And the last two are from last year...what makes them provacative unless you are a pervert?
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Just out of curiosity, why is Bob taking all of these questions??? Did he have a hand in putting this "show" together??
Shouldn't Shawn be taking on these concerns??? ;D
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Victoria Larvie -- 12th Place Short Fitness -- 2004 NPC Nationals. Makes her 13 in this pic!!!! ::) She is NOT 16 here.
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Victoria Larvie -- 12th Place Short Fitness -- 2004 NPC Nationals. Makes her 13 in this pic!!!! ::)
What is the issue? The second two are from Teen Nationals in Pit. You claimed they were all from 2004! Get your story straight.
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anything to fill seats and generate revenue
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Wrong again dumbass...the supergirl routine was from last year! The first pic is when she was almost 14.
Dude, you should switch gimmics and give people time to forget about this one ;DBTW, do the math, the pics I posted of Victoria Larvie are from 2004. She was born in 1991. ::) Makes her 13 dumbass.
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Dude, you should switch gimmics and give people time to forget about this one ;D
;D NEWSFLASH!!!! When you are 13 years old that means you are ALMOST 14. ::) Damn, Texas you're fun........
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But officer, she's almost 18. :'( BWAHAHAHAHAHA I'm still dyin over this one. ;D
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;D NEWSFLASH!!!! When you are 13 years old that means you are ALMOST 14. ::) Damn, Texas you're fun........
You still haven't answered the question, perv.
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You still haven't answered the question, perv.
I know, it's because I don't care to. ;D
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I know, it's because I don't care to. ;D
Let's try not to bring the best deputy that ever lived into this.
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yeah keep deleting my post chickerollo
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Wrong again dumbass...the supergirl routine was from last year! The first pic is when she was almost 14.
You are blind Sean. The supergirl outfit has 2005 posted right on it!!!! Makes her 13 or 14 depending on when her birthday is. Now stop being so stupid. >:(
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Bob, can't find the routine. Can you tell me who she goes on after?
Personally I would not want my 13 YEAR OLD!! daughter doing this kind of stuff on a stage in front of 7 guys. A couple of these pics I found where posted on herbiceps.com. Basically a perv site for schmoes. Maybe the routine in and of itself of the 10 year old was not that bad and I will try and veiw it, but I DO NOT think that the NPC should be promoting this kind of stuff. Just my opinion.
Man dude you have some issues with this. Why dont you lock you daughter in a closet and keep her there till she is 29 or so?....then she will be safe.
They are participating in a sport they love....you are the one reading sex into it. Frankly I didnt see it. Something strange going on with you about this.
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Man dude you have some issues with this. Why dont you lock you daughter in a closet and keep her there till she is 29 or so?....then she will be safe.
They are participating in a sport they love....you are the one reading sex into it. Frankly I didnt see it. Something strange going on with you about this.
If you are going to present an argument then atleast do it in an intelligent manner. If I had a daughter she could do this sort of thing when she was 18 not 29.
I am against very young girls speading their legs infront of grown men and standing there to be judged while in a bikini. Now, please tell me how I am strange because of this? Maybe I should promote one?
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If you are going to present an argument then atleast do it in an intelligent manner. If I had a daughter she could do this sort of thing when she was 18 not 29.
I am against very young girls speading their legs infront of grown men and standing there to be judged while in a bikini. Now, please tell me how I am strange because of this? Maybe I should promote one?
Wow even getting defensive, Like I said you are the one reading SEX into the routine. You are the one turning doing the moves into "spreading their legs". Just kind of weird. If someone does the splits or shows their athletic prowes in a move where the legs are spread apart does not all of a sudden make it some kind of sexual thing like you are "seeing" Get it genius?
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Wow even getting defensive, Like I said you are the one reading SEX into the routine. You are the one turning doing the moves into "spreading their legs". Just kind of weird. If someone does the splits or shows their athletic prowes in a move where the legs are spread apart does not all of a sudden make it some kind of sexual thing like you are "seeing" Get it genius?
The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius? ;) That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.
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Man dude you have some issues with this. Why dont you lock you daughter in a closet and keep her there till she is 29 or so?....then she will be safe.
If I have a daughter that's exactly what I'll do ;D
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The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius? ;) That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.
Sorry Jim but you are making it out to be something it's not. She is a Jr. Fitness competitor doing moves that are part of fitness routines. What's wrong with a girl performing the mandatory NPC moves in her routines? Hell if she learns it now, she'll be able to do it that much better when she has the ability to compete on national and eventually pro level.
http://npcnewsonline.com/new/npcrules_fitness.htm
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The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius? ;) That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.
I see nothing wrong with it. The thing I have a problem with is your boy Tamali showing up on stage forcing us to look at his fat ass. Our eyes shouldnt be put in harms way like this. I demand this to stop right now.
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We're all adults. For some it's art/sport, for some it's a little weird. I fall into the latter category.
However, one point...
This video is live - and we all know that there are often malfunctions and awkward moments in live productions. If a suit had snagged, if she had bent the wrong way or anything like that... there would be video of this child out there, that would never go away.
That's a risk of huge vulnerability for a ten-year old
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I see nothing wrong with it. The thing I have a problem with is your boy Tamali showing up on stage forcing us to look at his fat ass. Our eyes shouldnt be put in harms way like this. I demand this to stop right now.
Seconded.
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We're all adults. For some it's art/sport, for some it's a little weird. I fall into the latter category.
However, one point...
This video is live - and we all know that there are often malfunctions and awkward moments in live productions. If a suit had snagged, if she had bent the wrong way or anything like that... there would be video of this child out there, that would never go away.
That's a risk of huge vulnerability for this child.
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We're all adults. For some it's art/sport, for some it's a little weird. I fall into the latter category.
However, one point...
This video is live - and we all know that there are often malfunctions and awkward moments in live productions. If a suit had snagged, if she had bent the wrong way or anything like that... there would be video of this child out there, that would never go away.
That's a risk of huge vulnerability for this child.
That's the move ridiculous argument you've presented this year.
What if, what if, what if. ::)
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Armin should have said he was about to go into the competitors' meeting but someone said nobody bothered going in!
Bob called Goatboy a pedophile! Calling him that was totally inappropriate. Goatboy was being the opposite of a pedophile by protesting the 10 year old superkid's routine and the appropriateness of a kid doing handstands in a skirt, etc. She did the "hello boys" pose a couple of times, too.
If people say something is inappropriate it doesn't make sense to tell then they are wrong! The fact that Bob doesn't see the kid's routine as inappropriate for an adult bodybuilding audience doesn't make it right. He should acknowledge that some people might take exception to those kinds of performances. Several people question the appropriateness of letting kids do those kinds of routines. I understand their concern. If some people say kids shouldn't do 'suggestive' things in routines then that is what they believe. It matters not that many disagree and feel kids are innocent so what they do can't be suggestive. This is one argument Chick cannot possibly win. He shouldn't have touched it with a 10 foot pole. Instead, he accuses concerned parents as having a problem.
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Perv, that is called a split, boys and girls do them. You are looking at the flexibility move in a sexual manner. Are you a sexual predator? We should report you to the authorities to have them look at your computer you sick bastard.
let's scrutinize all the girl scouts on yours first :)
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why the eye roll? if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out. you know that boobs do pop out sometimes. You know that trunks ride into the rear end. You know that suits snag and bodyparts show, even among pros who have competed for years. And that's when they're just standing there. When you toss in routines, people fall, suits take a beating, and more.
This isn't a *bash* on anyone. It's a simple risk analysis. You put an inexperienced child on a stage in a small suit to perform a variety of adult moves, with a live audience of tens of thousands of adults... it's a huge potential for disaster. IMO they would have been best served to just not turn on the cameras for that part, or zoom way back so as to not catch any precise details.
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throughout the history of western art voyeuristic pedophilia is a regular occurring subject and therefore not taboo...so, lets just be real and call it what it is: sexual exploitation of children or Why I'm So Hot
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throughout the history of western art voyeuristic pedophilia is a regular occurring subject and therefore not taboo...so, lets just be real and call it what it is: sexual exploitation of children or Why I'm So Hot
So we should ban gynastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?
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So we should ban gymnastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?
they're appropriately dressed
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why the eye roll? if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out. you know that boobs do pop out sometimes. You know that trunks ride into the rear end. You know that suits snag and bodyparts show, even among pros who have competed for years. And that's when they're just standing there. When you toss in routines, people fall, suits take a beating, and more.
This isn't a *bash* on anyone. It's a simple risk analysis. You put an inexperienced child on a stage in a small suit to perform a variety of adult moves, with a live audience of tens of thousands of adults... it's a huge potential for disaster. IMO they would have been best served to just not turn on the cameras for that part, or zoom way back so as to not catch any precise details.
First - WTF? "if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out." I've attended more bodybuilding shows than you'll ever attend and yet to see this happen. Not sure what BBing shows you're watching, but let me know so I continue to avoid them.
"risk analysis". ??? Man you are really reaching. You'd have to have some hard facts to come up with any solid conclusion, wouldn't you? Given the number of competitors who compete each year and "mishaps" that happen is few and far between.
It's not a "huge potential for disaster"
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So we should ban gynastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?
broadcasting live - it's dangerous.
When you do a routine like that, you're vulnerable. Yes, her routine was great, and yes, I am sure the crowd was impressed. But today's news story coul have been "I can't believe the whole world saw that poor girl when _____ happened during her routine".
It's a risk. live webcasts are risky with professional adults standing there. When it's a 10year old doing adult moves to a risky song while tearing off pieces of her suit... Come on... you cannot deny there are a huge set of risks there.
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So we should ban gynastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?
takes one to know one? how revealing
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First - WTF? "if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out." I've attended more bodybuilding shows than you'll ever attend and yet to see this happen. Not sure what BBing shows you're watching, but let me know so I continue to avoid them.
Vince goodrum admits his suit couldn't contain him and there are obviously pics that show this. Billy guns' junk was hanging out in some pics last week. You're telling me you've never seen a testicle reach out of that suit? Come on isaac. Shit happens when people put on small trunks/suits and move in front of crowds.
"risk analysis". ??? Man you are really reaching. You'd have to have some hard facts to come up with any solid conclusion, wouldn't you? Given the number of competitors who compete each year and "mishaps" that happen is few and far between.
yes, risk analysis. Yes, it's rare. But *IF* it had happened, you'd have a hell of a grounds for a lawsuit, and some pretty sexy targets for a lawsuit. You have to consider these things when making the choice to broadcast live television. A million dollar lawsuit has come of far less irresponsibility. It might not be right, but if that child had been mortified on the web today, would the parents be looking for a scapegoat to nail to teh wall in civil court? You bet your Nikon.
It's not a "huge potential for disaster"
Okay. That's your opinion.
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broadcasting live - it's dangerous.
When you do a routine like that, you're vulnerable. Yes, her routine was great, and yes, I am sure the crowd was impressed. But today's news story coul have been "I can't believe the whole world saw that poor girl when _____ happened during her routine".
It's a risk. live webcasts are risky with professional adults standing there. When it's a 10year old doing adult moves to a risky song while tearing off pieces of her suit... Come on... you cannot deny there are a huge set of risks there.
Dude you take a risk every time you get in your car and drive to the gym. You could come up with any number of "the news story could be" scenarios. Kai Greene stood on his head, he could have knocked himself out. The posedown could have gotten ugly and David Henry could have taken an elbow to the face.
no - I don't think there is a "huge set of risks" there.
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Fuckin hell
Every individual is screwing other individuals. Never ending cycle.
I think the lazy bodybuilders, ifbb, shawn and bob should get out of this world..
at least am posting this in a space shuttle.
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Vince goodrum admits his suit couldn't contain him and there are obviously pics that show this. Billy guns' junk was hanging out in some pics last week. You're telling me you've never seen a testicle reach out of that suit? Come on isaac. Shit happens when people put on small trunks/suits and move in front of crowds.
yes, risk analysis. Yes, it's rare. But *IF* it had happened, you'd have a hell of a grounds for a lawsuit, and some pretty sexy targets for a lawsuit. You have to consider these things when making the choice to broadcast live television. A million dollar lawsuit has come of far less irresponsibility. It might not be right, but if that child had been mortified on the web today, would the parents be looking for a scapegoat to nail to teh wall in civil court? You bet your Nikon.
Okay. That's your opinion.
Vince Goodrum is your frame of reference? Wow, you really are reaching now. No, I have NEVER seen a testicle pop out of a suit. Sorry to disappoint ya but something I haven't seen and not something on my list to hope to see before I die. How many times have you witnessed a nut fly out of it's sack? You stated if you watch enough BBing you're bound to see it happen. "LAWSUIT"? Holy shit dude you spent too much time out in the sun this weekend.
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Dude you take a risk every time you get in your car and drive to the gym. You could come up with any number of "the news story could be" scenarios. Kai Greene stood on his head, he could have knocked himself out. The posedown could have gotten ugly and David Henry could have taken an elbow to the face.
no - I don't think there is a "huge set of risks" there.
Kai is an adult. A professional bodybuilder and an experienced poser. Kai knows the risks. All the athletes onstage know the risks, and negative events are few and far between.
My point is that you have an inexperienced 10-year old performing a risky routine on a live broadcast.
This presents a set of risks which are GREATER than the odds of DH getting a bloody nose.
Risk of her having a vulnerable moment on live webcast, as well as risk to involved firms in webcasting these events. It's great that the routine went well, and I agree the chances of anything going awry are rare. however, if I own stock in VYo or BBing.com, and I am a decision maker, it might be easier for me to just avert camera, zoom out, or pan crowd during the routine. Aside from any appropriate/offensive/content issues with the 12-year olds at home watching on BBing.com, I know that my firm has deep pockets and is just vulnerable from SO many angles with such a broadcast.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. As a consultant, I'd be responsible to tell my board that we could get sued from nine directions, and a lot of things could go wrong on that stage, and a lot of people could be offended by the routine. These risks outweigh the rewards IMO.
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Vince Goodrum is your frame of reference? Wow, you really are reaching now. No, I have NEVER seen a testicle pop out of a suit. Sorry to disappoint ya but something I haven't seen and not something on my list to hope to see before I die. How many times have you witnessed a nut fly out of it's sack? You stated if you watch enough BBing you're bound to see it happen. "LAWSUIT"? Holy shit dude you spent too much time out in the sun this weekend.
No. You said you've never seen it happen. I pointed out two examples of testicles showing in photos posted on getbig this week.
You asked for an example, I gave you two. You can still believe it's never happened if you wish.
yes, in the real world, had the child had an unfortunate incident and been exposed on webcast, there very well could have been lawsuits IMO. Fruitful? Maybe, maybe not. Black eye to all firms involved? You bet. Worth the risk? No.
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Kai is an adult. A professional bodybuilder and an experienced poser. Kai knows the risks. All the athletes onstage know the risks, and negative events are few and far between.
My point is that you have an inexperienced 10-year old performing a risky routine on a live broadcast.
This presents a set of risks which are GREATER than the odds of DH getting a bloody nose.
Risk of her having a vulnerable moment on live webcast, as well as risk to involved firms in webcasting these events. It's great that the routine went well, and I agree the chances of anything going awry are rare. however, if I own stock in VYo or BBing.com, and I am a decision maker, it might be easier for me to just avert camera, zoom out, or pan crowd during the routine. Aside from any appropriate/offensive/content issues with the 12-year olds at home watching on BBing.com, I know that my firm has deep pockets and is just vulnerable from SO many angles with such a broadcast.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. As a consultant, I'd be responsible to tell my board that we could get sued from nine directions, and a lot of things could go wrong on that stage, and a lot of people could be offended by the routine. These risks outweigh the rewards IMO.
You're ASSUMING she's an inexperienced performer. If you followed the sport as closely as you proclaim at times you'd know she's made several guest appearances over the last couple of years. She is a better performer and has had more guest appearances than most IFBB Pro Fitness competitors. Don't assume that because of her age she isn't well rehearsed and knows what she is doing.
You're sounding like the character on Along Came Polly. Do you do a risk analysis on everything you do? Make sure you don't eat those bar nuts.
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No. You said you've never seen it happen. I pointed out two examples of testicles showing in photos posted on getbig this week.
You asked for an example, I gave you two. You can still believe it's never happened if you wish.
yes, in the real world, had the child had an unfortunate incident and been exposed on webcast, there very well could have been lawsuits IMO. Fruitful? Maybe, maybe not. Black eye to all firms involved? You bet. Worth the risk? No.
Sorry, I haven't followed the exposed nut photo thread this week. I didn't say it NEVER happens, stating that it is few and very far between.
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Sorry, I haven't followed the exposed nut photo thread this week. I didn't say it NEVER happens, stating that it is few and very far between.
I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood:
First - WTF? "if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out." I've attended more bodybuilding shows than you'll ever attend and yet to see this happen.
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I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood:
What don't you understand? Where in there, did I state it never happens?
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You're ASSUMING she's an inexperienced performer. If you followed the sport as closely as you proclaim at times you'd know she's made several guest appearances over the last couple of years. She is a better performer and has had more guest appearances than most IFBB Pro Fitness competitors. Don't assume that because of her age she isn't well rehearsed and knows what she is doing.
How many times has she performed for tens of thousands of people live on a webcast?
You're sounding like the character on Along Came Polly. Do you do a risk analysis on everything you do? Make sure you don't eat those bar nuts.
Hey, BBing.com and VYOtech are large companies with a lot to lose. We all know if something went bad, someone chose to sue, and some idiot jury got the case, a decent chunk of some company's assets could find a new home.
IMO the potential risks outweigh the benefits of the show. The public relations mess alone - today on getbig as many chime in they found it offensive - makes it not worth the benefits.
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How many times has she performed for tens of thousands of people live on a webcast?
Hey, BBing.com and VYOtech are large companies with a lot to lose. We all know if something went bad, someone chose to sue, and some idiot jury got the case, a decent chunk of some company's assets could find a new home.
IMO the potential risks outweigh the benefits of the show. The public relations mess alone - today on getbig as many chime in they found it offensive - makes it not worth the benefits.
Oh Gee I don't know, maybe LAST YEAR for starters. I guess you were too busy finding faults in the show to remember it.
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Look, I just don't think that it is appropiate. Just my opinion. It certainly will not stop the NPC from having it. Everyone has their own opinion and this is mine.
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inexperienced , the young lady has permformed at more than 40 contest in two years. She performs at elementry schools and teach her peers about health life styles. She is also on the Governors' fitness council.
Okay. I concede she is very good at what she does.
Would you be okay with it, had a 10-year old boy in trunks done kai Greene's routine following hers yesterday at the show?
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First...you have to be IN the show for it to be relevant.
Second....how about a PHONE CALL?
You keep talking about contracts however the promoter has claimed that contracts were not required.
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lol 240 just trying to get a laugh out of us. He is not serious at all. I hope not ???
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It's not being ignored...it's already been explained...a few times.
If the promoter didn't require signed contracts prior to a certain date, he at least required a verbal or written commitment from the athlete....DJ had a verbal agreement...Armin had neither.
Once again...
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lol 240 just trying to get a laugh out of us. He is not serious at all. I hope not ???
240 is right. In this age of technology, perverts dont need to be given a reason to expose and publish (on the web) pictures of our children in awkward moments. (And they do happen).
I would love to think we live in mayberry where everyone has innocence and trusts one another. When i was a kid, i was allowed to ride my bike to a park and play...............Not a chance in hell, my 8yr old can play outside unless i can see her. Maybe 90% of the audience is above board. The other 10% can destroy you.
We have to minimize the pervertedness in this world.....ie: banning cell phones in gym locker rooms and other adaptations...
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The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius? ;) That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.
Do you see how ridiculous you sound? Your the one who has a problem with it, for some reason and keeps talking about young girls "spreading their legs" ;) and you even said it yourself "The only thing that I am seeing" LOL brutal self owning there, smarty pants. Theres no sexual connotation with that? Man you are not near as smart as I thought you might be or are in complete denial. You made a real ass of yourself here. Your angry and insulting responses are proof of how out of touch you are, also how immature and confussed you are.
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Do you see how ridiculous you sound? Your the one who has a problem with it, for some reason and keeps talking about young girls "spreading their legs" ;) and you even said it yourself "The only thing that I am seeing" LOL brutal self owning there, smarty pants. Theres no sexual connotation with that? Man you are not near as smart as I thought you might be or are in complete denial. You made a real ass of yourself here. Your angry and insulting responses are proof of how out of touch you are, also how immature and confussed you are.
haha good "owning"
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Do you see how ridiculous you sound? Your the one who has a problem with it, for some reason and keeps talking about young girls "spreading their legs" ;) and you even said it yourself "The only thing that I am seeing" LOL brutal self owning there, smarty pants. Theres no sexual connotation with that? Man you are not near as smart as I thought you might be or are in complete denial. You made a real ass of yourself here. Your angry and insulting responses are proof of how out of touch you are, also how immature and confussed you are.
Massive MELTDOWN. :-[