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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: LurkerNoMore on June 12, 2007, 12:43:40 PM
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Other than nothing?
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1. Phil made Titus meltdown on stage and is still alive to tell the tale.
2. Won the overall at the 1995 USA to earn his pro card.
3. Is the 'House Pro' at ProfessionalMuscle.com.
4. Openly talks about his AAS usage.
5. Has a great sense of humor.
6. Has one friend on his Bodyspace page.
7. Served time in prison without being offered a job by MD.
8. Is still a tank at a lean 5'8 260.
9. Can bench more than you.
10. Beat Gary Kasparov at chess during a 1992 simul in Lake Geneva, NY after Kasparov blundered his queen on 6. QA4.
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the 1 to 10 master strikes again, he knows no limits
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I saw a nun naked today.
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what does any bodybuilder accomplish? they workout hoping to achieve personal goals, then they become the big guy at the gym. maybe they compete and maybe not. what about professional goals or a family. it used to be mr. america, mr universe.
now, most bodybuilders are waiting to be arrested for possession of one drug or another. bring the sport back into focus. it is not worth dying over.
the "arnold" generation had more class and comraderie. if you recall, Merv Griffin often had a few bodybuilder on his show. wide world of sports used to have bodybuilding competitions. now, we see arrests and investigations.
if you were outside the sport, it was a mystery as to how these people got so large. its out on the table now, its time to change.
what have you accomplished...
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did he really go to jail? for what?
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did he really go to jail? for what?
Steroids.
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3. Is the 'House Pro' at ProfessionalMuscle.com.
4. Openly talks about his AAS usage.
5. Has a great sense of humor.
He lacks internet etiquette. He has pissed off most on that board. He doesn't actually share much info at all, and when he does it's something worthless typed IN ALL CAPS MODE.
Now he sells liquid beef protein and OTC designer steroids. The liquid beef protein is vastly superior to any other protein out there, 1 gram of that stuff probably equals 15 grams of whey.
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He lacks internet etiquette. He has pissed off most on that board. He doesn't actually share much info at all, and when he does it's something worthless typed IN ALL CAPS MODE.
Now he sells liquid beef protein and OTC designer steroids. The liquid beef protein is vastly superior to any other protein out there, 1 gram of that stuff probably equals 15 grams of whey.
I have to agree on some things here. I just dont accept his views on usage in today's time. In fact I dont accept what he says he was doing back then either. And yeah, he comes off like a dick sometimes.
But I guess he is a pretty good trainer and one to have in your conrner as a competitor. Paying I'm sure........
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Other than nothing?
And you have accomplished what exactly? ::) ::)
I'd say acquiring pro status and being awarded 1 of 7 pro cards awarded to approximately 20,000 competetive amateur bodybuilders within a given year is quite and accomplishment. Though this may not be viewed as much to some of you out there, as a fellow competitor who has come close a few times, I respect Phil's accomplishment. Whether or not he took it to another level is irrelevant, whether or not he's succeeded at other endeavors is not my business, nor yours for that matter. Btw, if your going to get caught up on how successful you are at your chosen field, save it! Really this is a bodybuilding forum.
Carlo
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carlo,
I think bodybuilding was more attainable in the 70's and we could get that big. I dont think thats true today. Compare physiques, which is more appealing. We love and admire our bodybuilders, but I certainly dont want them to die trying.
When I bought Pumping Iron in 1976, I hid it so my friends didnt think I was weird. Now everyone is a bodybuilder.
Looking backwards, does Phil think it was worth going to prison for...
I always wondered why a champion bodybuilder would disappear after he was a champ, now I know...
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ask Kris Dim...hope he makes a full recovery.
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I saw a nun naked today.
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carlo,
I think bodybuilding was more attainable in the 70's and we could get that big. I dont think thats true today. Compare physiques, which is more appealing. We love and admire our bodybuilders, but I certainly dont want them to die trying.
When I bought Pumping Iron in 1976, I hid it so my friends didnt think I was weird. Now everyone is a bodybuilder.
Looking backwards, does Phil think it was worth going to prison for...
I always wondered why a champion bodybuilder would disappear after he was a champ, now I know...
Bodybuilding was certainly more attainable in the 70's. Why do you feel it is not true today? Not every bodybuilder is 5'8" 250 lbs. I have been training since 1991, competing since 1992, I have chosen to remain the size I am today, approximately 180-190lbs in the offseason and compete at 165-170lbs. There is no doubt in my mind if I overdid the supplements, as many do, I to would have a distended abdomen like many others. You say everyone is a bodybuilder today, this is true, but look at who considers themselves bodybuilders... You have 21 year old kids in clubs using steroids to get into shape while drinking alcohol, sniffing coke, taking ghb, extasy and ketamin, all at the same time! I know because I see it with my own eyes. You have plenty of wonderful physiques today, which are still appealing, unfortunately the mags don't cater to the smaller guys. I am one of the few fortunate ones who is smaller and gets in the books. Today, you need to pick up and Exercise for men or Reps magazine in order to view photos of "mainstream appealing" physiques.
I cannot answer for Phil as to whether or not it was worth it, but do not be surprised if he indeed deemed it worth it. Remember, back in the 70's no one got arrested. Why? It was not illegall! Do you believe for a minute that if the laws were the same then as today that the good ol' boys would not be arrested? Please.? When the steroids were being used back in the day, the athletes were taking them by the handful, right in the gym after their workouts! Nobody bothered them because they were not controlled substances. If you think for a second that Arnold, Franco, Louie et al used any less than the bodybuilders today, your nuts. That's not to say that today there are more of a variety of chemicals available as science has progressed, so have the athletes. Today, the advent of insulin, IGF-1, growth hormone, etc. has changed the physiques, not the steroids. Also, the eating! The boys back then never ate as much as today's bodybuilders, again, science, the more protein consumed the more muscle gained etc.
Not all champions disappear because they get arrested by the way. Phil chose his path. The bottom line is, in my opinion, there is a way to avoid the health risks... I personally get my bloodwork done anywhere from 4-6 times per year. My life and vital organs are of utmost importance to me. I do however have a competetive nature and desire to turn pro. I will do everything "within reason" to get that pro card.
Carlo
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And you have accomplished what exactly? ::) ::)
I'd say acquiring pro status and being awarded 1 of 7 pro cards awarded to approximately 20,000 competetive amateur bodybuilders within a given year is quite and accomplishment. Though this may not be viewed as much to some of you out there, as a fellow competitor who has come close a few times, I respect Phil's accomplishment. Whether or not he took it to another level is irrelevant, whether or not he's succeeded at other endeavors is not my business, nor yours for that matter. Btw, if your going to get caught up on how successful you are at your chosen field, save it! Really this is a bodybuilding forum.
Carlo
Great post, Carlo.
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Carlos,
You answered my question and dont realize it, the kids want to look like the bodybuilders in MD and Flex. You just told me what they are taking. I believe you because friends of mine take all kinds of stuff and they never intend on competing.
I started lifting in 1972 because I admired bodybuilders at the time, I now weigh 230lbs. I have gone up to 248 on one occasion.
I am 51 on the 19th of this month and hope going to jail or dying for a sport changes. You certainly dont see professionals dying to become the best lawyer or saleman, do you. Please, dont make going to jail attractive to young readers, its a big mistake that can end a dream of a government or military career.
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And you have accomplished what exactly? ::) ::)
Let's see.. A master's degree. Avoiding a prison sentence. Avoiding possibly ruining my health.
Let's get real. As you say it is a bodybuilding forum, which is why I asked what he accomplished. He got a pro card... and then what???? Isn't that like an attorney passing the bar and then never winning a case?
Now please go ahead and compare my lack of a pro card vs the one he has. That is about the standard response you have to fall back on.
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Let's get real. As you say it is a bodybuilding forum, which is why I asked what he accomplished. He got a pro card... and then what???? Isn't that like an attorney passing the bar and then never winning a case?
Only 4-5% of lawyers are trial attorneys who have ever tried a case in court. Most just sit behind a desk with stacks of papers and dream of how their life would have been different if they had only picked up that Pro Card.
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Only 4-5% of lawyers are trial attorneys who have ever tried a case in court. Most just sit behind a desk with stacks of papers and dream of how their life would have been different if they had only picked up that Pro Card.
Please stop owning LurkerNoMore. It's too painful to watch. :'(
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Only 4-5% of lawyers are trial attorneys who have ever tried a case in court. Most just sit behind a desk with stacks of papers and dream of how their life would have been different if they had only picked up that Pro Card.
hahah aint that the truth .....minus the 'pro card'
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Let's see.. A master's degree. Avoiding a prison sentence. Avoiding possibly ruining my health.
Let's get real. As you say it is a bodybuilding forum, which is why I asked what he accomplished. He got a pro card... and then what???? Isn't that like an attorney passing the bar and then never winning a case?
Now please go ahead and compare my lack of a pro card vs the one he has. That is about the standard response you have to fall back on.
hahaha, what a joke, you are comparing a masters degree....something many thousand and thousands, actually hundreds of thousands get every single year to something only 1 person or 5 (weight classes) gets every year, the Usa title.
You basically had the comfortable enviornment to continue going to school while other people had to work 8 hours a day, live in and pay for their own place, pay their own bills/food etc.
I've known so many people with maters degrees...it basically is the minimum level education if you want a good job today. My own wife almost has a doctorate and earns 50 something thousand a year as a speech path....
Degrees don't mean what they did in the 70's.
hahahaha, I'm cracking up...you compare a masters to the usa accomplishment. just to remind you, a true acomplishment is something that is difficult to obtain....if hundreds of thousand are obtaining it every year it doesn't require much, except the opportunity.
Hope you just learned something, even though your out of school.
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Other than nothing?
A physique that was better than 99.99999% of everyone that attempts to be a bodybuilder.
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Comparing winning a pro card to someone who has no desire to even compete simply makes your comparision irrelevant.
Likewise the assumption that I had a "comfortable environment" in order to get a Masters. Completely irrelevant since you know nothing of me, nor any other factors you are attempting to espouse in your little rant. But thanks for playing.
Now onto to what I originally posted... what's he accomplished since turning pro.
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Please stop owning LurkerNoMore. It's too painful to watch. :'(
Actually, I am LOLing WITH Special Ed...
Detecting sarcasm is a basic reading comprehension skill you know.
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i got my masters and considered the phd program, but i just wasn't down with the levels of drug use, g4p, and agromegaly.
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can you tell me how many top bodybuilders have a family and career?
and kids?
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If they are top BB's then their "career" is BB and they earn a living from it....a few do very well.
The lack of income from BB for just a basic pro isn't their fault, however, but the fault lies with the game of BB and the organization.
BB is a very difficult thing to do and actually do well in. Unfortunately they don't get paid well, but it requires lots more dedication than the typical 9-5 job. Wake up, eat a bagel and coffee, go to work, eat a fast food meal for lunch, back to work, go home, eat dinner with family, watch tv and go to sleep and do the same the next day isn't too challenging, ya know.
Also, it would surprise you how many BB's have kids and families. I'll tell you the whole "sterile " thing with steroids is not 100% accurate.
As far as families or whatever, divorce is above 50%, people aren't even getting married until much later today so it is seen throughout all walks of life.
I'm definitly not an avocate for BB as it is today, but to compare getting a masters to winning a 1 out of 5 slot each year title is ridiculous.
I ask the guy that brought up masters, does the winner of the weightlifting, shot put, swimming, wrestling, boxing olympics every 4 years get much in the way of future opportunities? The answer is no. I personally know a Olympic Gold medalist in wrestling and a weight lifter (bronze) that had few.
Would you actually be ridiculous enough to compare your going to college to winning something like that?
C'mon, head over to Starbucks and hang with your other overacheivers...please.
Opportunity, my friend, nothing more provides you with a masters.
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Only 4-5% of lawyers are trial attorneys who have ever tried a case in court. Most just sit behind a desk with stacks of papers and dream of how their life would have been different if they had only picked up that Pro Card.
Hmmm, let us compare the incomes of the top 100 lawyers with the top 100 IFBB pros?
Ok enough bashing of the sport I love the best, BODYBUILDING.
Only the best of the best earn an IFBB pro card. Phil H did that but he didn't do much as a pro.
The big issue is that the reality is that one has to risk their health and even going to jail to get that pro card.
Why does it have to be that way? Gtanted no intense sport is risk free, but this seems over the top.
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Gtanted no intense sport is risk free, but this seems over the top.
many sports don't have a great risk to benifit ratio.
Ask the boxer that isn't ranked top ten, but won the golden gloves how the risk to (financial) benifit is after getting punched in the head thousand of times.
Ask the nascar driver that doesn't qualify for the big race, has near misses on the track every day but raceing is his "job".
BB has gotten out of hand with the drugs, no doubt. Unfortunately advancing is life...moving ahead compared to those that came before you.
Fortunately, in BB I think we have seen the top level of muscularity a human can achieve without throwing off the other valuable qualities that come with an award winning physique. Therefore, i do not think the abuse will continue to escalate as much.
Those that do keep forging ahead in this game will have to keep in mind the word symmetry, balance, asthetics...because without it it really is not what BB is.
These guys today look disgusting, they actually self create or induce acromegaly....crazy.
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Carlos,
You answered my question and dont realize it, the kids want to look like the bodybuilders in MD and Flex. You just told me what they are taking. I believe you because friends of mine take all kinds of stuff and they never intend on competing.
I started lifting in 1972 because I admired bodybuilders at the time, I now weigh 230lbs. I have gone up to 248 on one occasion.
I am 51 on the 19th of this month and hope going to jail or dying for a sport changes. You certainly dont see professionals dying to become the best lawyer or saleman, do you. Please, dont make going to jail attractive to young readers, its a big mistake that can end a dream of a government or military career.
I believe you are confused, most of the kids DO NOT want to look like the bodybuilders in Flex and MD. They take what they take just to look athletic. Which is pathetic in my book. I am 36 years old, a very young 36 as I still frequent night clubs/ lounges. Some of the young guys in there would awe you with their intake! They do nothing in regards to training, nothing as as far as dieting, they just use recreational drugs to obtain a "feeling or look" they like.
As a competitive bodybuilder, going to jail is not one of my goals, never was, are there risks? Of course. Am i aware? Yes. Do I wish my child to become a competetive bodybuilder? NO. Should he decide he would go that route after several enlightening conversations, I would have no alternative but to guide him as best as I can.
Do I see professionals dying to become lawyers and salesman? They may actually be dying because they are lawyers and salesmen. What I do see is lawyers, doctors, mortgage brokers, et al, sniffing cocaine, addicted to pain killers, taking speed then taking a valium to go to bed..... You get my drift? Don't go there, you'd be amazed at what goes on in the "real" world. They run as much of a risk as a pro bodybuilder.
Make sure that that child with the promissing military career or our future governor understands that corruption is illegal-can get you in jail. Bribery is illegal, can get you thrown in jail. Going awol is illegal and can get you thrown in jail. Embezzlement is illegal and can get you thrown in jail..... Ok? Let's take a look at our jails, are there more pro bodybuilders in jail or the above mentioned lawyers, doctors, et al? Though our jails are more filled with common criminals- thieves, drug dealers, rapists etc. I believe there's probably more "professionals" in there than our "professional bodybuilders.
I would never want any child to divert from being something big in life! Ever. I pray over and over for today's youth as they are our future. Some of those kids will want to be bodybuilders, they can be worst things in life....
Carlo
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Let's see.. A master's degree. Avoiding a prison sentence. Avoiding possibly ruining my health.
Let's get real. As you say it is a bodybuilding forum, which is why I asked what he accomplished. He got a pro card... and then what???? Isn't that like an attorney passing the bar and then never winning a case?
Now please go ahead and compare my lack of a pro card vs the one he has. That is about the standard response you have to fall back on.
If you began this post to enlighten us upon how intelligent you are or how you've avoided a prison sentence or how you are in good health, congratulations. You've succeeded. I am real. You keep asking what he's accomplished, you have obviously never competed in an organized bodybuilding event. Not every bodybuilder's goals may be to turn pro, some, just "wind up there." I actually know a few attorneys who have passed the bar, who own their own businesses with absolutely no relation to law whatsoever! So what have they accomplished? I guess nothing, right? If you believe this you are a fool.
I am not righting the ship for bodybuilders, God knows most of them do a good job of ruining their reputations on their own, but, sometimes acheiving something that at one time seemed unobtainable is an accomplishment, even if not in your eyes. Personally, 15 years ago, when I stepped on stage for the first time in my life, I never would have imagined that I would be this close to "turning pro," ever! Nor did I ever want to, to be honest with you. As my competitive career grew, I became more successful and winning shows became routine,my performance at work also improved. At the age of 25, I opened my first restaurant, owned it for 10 years, sold it for a very nice profit, took 8 months off of work entirely to relax before my next venture, then opened my first cafe in Oct. of 2005, while preparing for the NPC nationals, I placed 3rd by the way. In March of 2007, I opened up my second cafe. And, as of this past week I have just signed a contract to open a 3rd by October of this year. My point? I never set out to be a "pro" but with every successful outing grew a new found goal. It was not until 2004 that I even believed I ever had a chance at being a pro.
Now that I am this close I will attempt to turn pro. If I succeed? Then what? Do I become a failure? Or do you then have the right to ask,-- What will you have accomplished? Nothing, I guess! In your eyes anyway! ::)
What Phil Hernon did with his pro card really has nothing to do with anything, he already HAS accomplished something, except you do not acknowledge it as such. I am certain he still sleeps well at night.
Carlo
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I believe you are confused, most of the kids DO NOT want to look like the bodybuilders in Flex and MD. They take what they take just to look athletic. Which is pathetic in my book. I am 36 years old, a very young 36 as I still frequent night clubs/ lounges. Some of the young guys in there would awe you with their intake! They do nothing in regards to training, nothing as as far as dieting, they just use recreational drugs to obtain a "feeling or look" they like.
As a competitive bodybuilder, going to jail is not one of my goals, never was, are there risks? Of course. Am i aware? Yes. Do I wish my child to become a competetive bodybuilder? NO. Should he decide he would go that route after several enlightening conversations, I would have no alternative but to guide him as best as I can.
Do I see professionals dying to become lawyers and salesman? They may actually be dying because they are lawyers and salesmen. What I do see is lawyers, doctors, mortgage brokers, et al, sniffing cocaine, addicted to pain killers, taking speed then taking a valium to go to bed..... You get my drift? Don't go there, you'd be amazed at what goes on in the "real" world. They run as much of a risk as a pro bodybuilder.
Make sure that that child with the promissing military career or our future governor understands that corruption is illegal-can get you in jail. Bribery is illegal, can get you thrown in jail. Going awol is illegal and can get you thrown in jail. Embezzlement is illegal and can get you thrown in jail..... Ok? Let's take a look at our jails, are there more pro bodybuilders in jail or the above mentioned lawyers, doctors, et al? Though our jails are more filled with common criminals- thieves, drug dealers, rapists etc. I believe there's probably more "professionals" in there than our "professional bodybuilders.
I would never want any child to divert from being something big in life! Ever. I pray over and over for today's youth as they are our future. Some of those kids will want to be bodybuilders, they can be worst things in life....
Carlo
Very well written post, carlos.
I trained many top wall street exects when I was in NY and ALL of them were 1 day without their blood pressure meds from a life ending heart attack....None of them had good relationships and mosty were divorced.
great examples, Oldman.
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If you began this post to enlighten us upon how intelligent you are or how you've avoided a prison sentence or how you are in good health, congratulations. You've succeeded. I am real. You keep asking what he's accomplished, you have obviously never competed in an organized bodybuilding event. Not every bodybuilder's goals may be to turn pro, some, just "wind up there." I actually know a few attorneys who have passed the bar, who own their own businesses with absolutely no relation to law whatsoever! So what have they accomplished? I guess nothing, right? If you believe this you are a fool.
I am not righting the ship for bodybuilders, God knows most of them do a good job of ruining their reputations on their own, but, sometimes acheiving something that at one time seemed unobtainable is an accomplishment, even if not in your eyes. Personally, 15 years ago, when I stepped on stage for the first time in my life, I never would have imagined that I would be this close to "turning pro," ever! Nor did I ever want to, to be honest with you. As my competitive career grew, I became more successful and winning shows became routine,my performance at work also improved. At the age of 25, I opened my first restaurant, owned it for 10 years, sold it for a very nice profit, took 8 months off of work entirely to relax before my next venture, then opened my first cafe in Oct. of 2005, while preparing for the NPC nationals, I placed 3rd by the way. In March of 2007, I opened up my second cafe. And, as of this past week I have just signed a contract to open a 3rd by October of this year. My point? I never set out to be a "pro" but with every successful outing grew a new found goal. It was not until 2004 that I even believed I ever had a chance at being a pro.
Now that I am this close I will attempt to turn pro. If I succeed? Then what? Do I become a failure? Or do you then have the right to ask,-- What will you have accomplished? Nothing, I guess! In your eyes anyway! ::)
What Phil Hernon did with his pro card really has nothing to do with anything, he already HAS accomplished something, except you do not acknowledge it as such. I am certain he still sleeps well at night.
Carlo
Can we get Cliff Notes please?
The question I asked is very simple. No need for long self therapy replies. I am not interested in anything you may or may not accomplish. If I were, then it would be your name in the thread title. Since it isn't, I'm not.
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priorities change in life and at some point Phil decided that being mr. o wasn't all that important anymore.
He decided that having a family and good careers as both a teacher and a gym owner are more important than a sandow
now the real question is why are you singling out Phil trying to make his life look like a big failure?
One of the better answers so far.
There was a reason I asked about Phil, related to something off board here, that reason being isn't important. But you could easily interject any number of pros that fizzled out as well in the place of his name.
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With your masters degree, you need cliff notes to read a paragraph or two?
The question I asked is very simple. No need for long self therapy replies. I am not interested in anything you may or may not accomplish. If I were, then it would be your name in the thread title. Since it isn't, I'm not.
I guess you are right, you are only interested in letting us know what you have accomplished. Interesting how you weren't at all quick to point out your accomplishments. ::) ::)
Here's an answer to your question: I guess other than one isolated incident Phil has managed to stay out of jail, hold a job and educate others...... does this work for you?
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Howie, a simple question:
Do you believe they should remove drug use from pro BBing?
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hi CF, carlo filipone
http://www.getbig.com/iview/filippone040815.htm
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Hi. Old interview. Back in 2004 immediately following a leg workout. Hope all is well.
Carlo
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With your masters degree, you need cliff notes to read a paragraph or two?
It's not a question of being able to read it, it is simply that I don't care to.
That better for you flexed1?
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Hi. Old interview. Back in 2004 immediately following a leg workout. Hope all is well.
Carlo
hope u get ur pro card, u sound like a nice person, good luck
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hope u get ur pro card, u sound like a nice person, good luck
Indeed. Not to mention his recipes are actually pretty damn good.
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Thanks guys. I really don't want to hijack this thread, but the pro card would be nice. Thanks again.
Carlo
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Thanks guys. I really don't want to hijack this thread, but the pro card would be nice. Thanks again.
Carlo
Forget it. It's already hijacked. Dude, are you really 5'3" ???
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Thanks guys. I really don't want to hijack this thread, but the pro card would be nice. Thanks again.
Carlo
You hijacked it. Penalty is one decent protein bar recipe. None of this stuff that takes 3 hours and 14 utensils - 6 which have some German name you can't pronounce - to make either.
Using :
Protein Powder
Oatmeal (ground to dust in the food processor)
skim milk
honey
all natural peanut butter
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what does any bodybuilder accomplish? they workout hoping to achieve personal goals, then they become the big guy at the gym. maybe they compete and maybe not. what about professional goals or a family. it used to be mr. america, mr universe.
now, most bodybuilders are waiting to be arrested for possession of one drug or another. bring the sport back into focus. it is not worth dying over.
the "arnold" generation had more class and comraderie. if you recall, Merv Griffin often had a few bodybuilder on his show. wide world of sports used to have bodybuilding competitions. now, we see arrests and investigations.
if you were outside the sport, it was a mystery as to how these people got so large. its out on the table now, its time to change.
what have you accomplished...
I flicked a booger on a dudes car today. I don't like him. Now he drives the booger mobile. It was a big green booger.
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Phil Hernon was a 5 ft 7" mutant (and i mean that in a good way)
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Forget it. It's already hijacked. Dude, are you really 5'3" ???
Yep!!!! And really proud of it! Wouldn't want to be an inch taller! ;D
Carlo