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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: donrhummy on June 15, 2007, 12:47:50 PM
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Don't know if this was posted but it's a video of Heath training and posing 1 week before the arnold. (He starts posing about half way through) He definitely looks better than he did at the Arnold but still no where near as good as was claimed on this forum.
http://www.flexonline.com/news/221
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I think he gets gifts at top level shows. He looks great don't get me wrong but other people look alot better and wayyyyyyyyy thicker
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I think he gets gifts at top level shows. He looks great don't get me wrong but other people look alot better and wayyyyyyyyy thicker
Such as....
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He has great arms and shoulders and that is it. He need back chest and legs. Branch warren gustavo badell Marcus Ruhl way better IMO
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Phil seems like a good guy, reminds me a lot of Larry Scott. Freaky arms and shoulders, but narrow bone stucture which by nature will limit his back and sgoulder width.
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He might be a great guy and will prolly do well in the future but I think he is 40-50 pounds behind alot of the poeple in the line up
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you know you workout at a hardcore gym when....
they play Hillary Duff...SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
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See i only just see that MAYBE, MAYBE, breaking the top 10. Just off the top of your head guys ahead of him
cutler
ronnie
victor
dexter
freeman
wolf
Gunter?
Ruhl
James?
Anthony
Warren?
Badell ?
Taylor (when in shape).
And im sure ive missed a few
Just aint nowhere big enough
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See i only just see that MAYBE, MAYBE, breaking the top 10. Just off the top of your head guys ahead of him
cutler
ronnie
victor
dexter
freeman
wolf
Gunter?
Ruhl
James?
Anthony
Warren?
Badell ?
Taylor (when in shape).
And im sure ive missed a few
Just aint nowhere big enough
P.s. but i do think he got potenitial, but he need atleast another 25lb to compete with the top, and i dont know if his frame would hold it right
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you know you workout at a hardcore gym when....
they play Hillary Duff...SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
How did you know it was hillary duff?
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Poor man's Flex
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you guys don't know jack shit if you think he didn't deserve his placing
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he is the most genetically gifted bber in the pro's currently, but he does need to add some thickness to his entire frame. Give him time he just turned pro! Wait tell his in his mid 30's, if he's still very narrow, then count him out..
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he is the most genetically gifted bber in the pro's currently, but he does need to add some thickness to his entire frame. Give him time he just turned pro! Wait tell his in his mid 30's, if he's still very narrow, then count him out..
Phil definitely has great genetics, but I would not rate him as the most gifted of the current pros. There are many above him at the moment. Of course that does not mean that he isn't a great BBer. I know that I rag on Issac (only when he deserves it) at times and I also know that Phil reads this board and I would not ever put Phil down, so when I critique someones physique it is purely that.
Here's the way I see it. Phil needs step on stage at the Olympia with at least another 10 to 15 pounds of muscle to do some damage. He took a long time off between the Colorado to the AC and was not any bigger as far as I could tell. I saw him guest pose at the Pittsburgh and he actually looked pretty small. So he seems to have failed again to go into the growing phase between shows. The offseason is when you put on size and Phil is too new to the sport to be laying off between shows when he needs to put on quality size. I am talking about 10 to 15 pounds of quality muscle that he should have put on between his first two shows. At this stage and I could be wrong, I do not see Phil coming into the Olympia looking that much different. Phil has great conditioning so the only real changes are going to be adding muscle.
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anyone who thinks that Phil didn't deserve his place at the Arnold classic is a moron. Everyone knows Phil is only a baby and has only been training for 4 years or so. Give him another 4 and watch out.
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anyone who thinks that Phil didn't deserve his place at the Arnold classic is a moron. Everyone knows Phil is only a baby and has only been training for 4 years or so. Give him another 4 and watch out.
what does how many years of training have to do with anything?
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Great physique. Imagine if he had wider clavicles. Unfortunately he is too narrow to be a threat to the top 5 in the sport. Needs more thickness as well.
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I think he gets gifts at top level shows. He looks great don't get me wrong but other people look alot better and wayyyyyyyyy thicker
Quality over quantity. Phil should have won the ASC. He doesn't need to change a thing but due to judging he will destroy his physique like many others before him.
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what does how many years of training have to do with anything?
everything. 8)
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See i only just see that MAYBE, MAYBE, breaking the top 10. Just off the top of your head guys ahead of him
cutler
ronnie
victor
dexter
freeman
wolf
Gunter?
Ruhl
James?
Anthony
Warren?
Badell ?
Taylor (when in shape).
And im sure ive missed a few
Just aint nowhere big enough
i thought i beat some of these guys? c'mon now, this makes no sense.
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phil heath top 6 all day. Especially if its a 2 day event. his chances of holding conditioning overnight are much better then a few named in that list imo
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everything. 8)
are really that this
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Don't know if this was posted but it's a video of Heath training and posing 1 week before the arnold. (He starts posing about half way through) He definitely looks better than he did at the Arnold but still no where near as good as was claimed on this forum.
http://www.flexonline.com/news/221
HOW DO U PROPNOUNCE UR FUCKING NAME
Don R Hummy?
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everything. 8)
Phil..this is my favorite pic of you..inspiration of us naturals. do you have any more from this show?....I like my chest more ;D
I get the sense that you are going to ruin a good thing by packing on too much weight too soon...watch the mid section
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To put on such muscle in a short time makes him a genetic superior. He also has the right fullness and shape to the muscle. His conditioning is top notch.
Weakneses are like disgusted said: Larry scott frame. But he is smart enough to take the path of Richard jones if the judging doesnt change.
Has more oppurtunities to make money thru other endeavours, and shouldnt risk a liver or kidneys for this sub culture sport......Knows when to say when, I think.
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i look up to phil as a pro for having a physique that i really admire. Its pleasing to the eye. Nice lines and taper. Not a 300lbs beast looking like hes in his 3rd trimester. I think with time he will be great.Physiques like phils are what bbing is all about. He makes the younger guys wanna get in the gym and lift. That whole 260lbs+ look just wont look right on him.
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i look up to phil as a pro for having a physique that i really admire. Its pleasing to the eye. Nice lines and taper. Not a 300lbs beast looking like hes in his 3rd trimester. I think with time he will be great.Physiques like phils are what bbing is all about. He makes the younger guys wanna get in the gym and lift. That whole 260lbs+ look just wont look right on him.
Indeed.... i hope i could be where he is at when im 26.
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Indeed.... i hope i could be where he is at when im 26.
if that means having creeps around like lift studios trying to feel up on your and take pictures then hell no
I wonder how much pussy he gets
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anyone who thinks that Phil didn't deserve his place at the Arnold classic is a moron. Everyone knows Phil is only a baby and has only been training for 4 years or so. Give him another 4 and watch out.
hey phill tell us, did you step into a gym 4years ago??? i doubt so... ::) i think u started lifting seriously 4 years ago...but had years of fooling around in the gym before that
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phils physique is fucken sick all you haters can "chupa mi fiero"
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Phil will definately be a top contender for shows to come in the future. I'm sure he will only get bigger and maintain his shape and mid section as he learns more about his body after each comp. Maybe one day bodybuilders like Phil will get the higher placings in future shows over the mass monsters.
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i thought i beat some of these guys? c'mon now, this makes no sense.
No offence phil, wasnt meant to be a flame, i personally prefer your physique over many of them mentioned, namely badell, warren, ruhl, taylor and maybe 1 or 2 others. I think to be competitive at the top though you need to get close to martinez's size. If you can do that, without sacrifycing your shape too much, i think you have a chance at the very very top and of winning the big 1. Im just talking about what the judges seem to be looking for with this list. You have time on your size, dont rush it.
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hey phill tell us, did you step into a gym 4years ago??? i doubt so... ::) i think u started lifting seriously 4 years ago...but had years of fooling around in the gym before that
I can't stand hearing that story..never mind the fact that he was a personal training and probably dabbling with prohormones.
and now they make it seems like he only drinks milk and honey and rolls out of bed on competition day and wins.
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i thought i beat some of these guys? c'mon now, this makes no sense.
we still love you gift...
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He has great arms and shoulders and that is it. He need back chest and legs. Branch warren gustavo badell Marcus Ruhl way better IMO
Markus Ruhl does not look better then Phil neither does any of the ones you've mentioned.
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He might be a great guy and will prolly do well in the future but I think he is 40-50 pounds behind alot of the poeple in the line up
Are you kidding me 40-50 pounds??? That's whats wrong with bb. He's what, around 225-235 max. If he puts 40-50 Ibs that would be completely ruin his physique.
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Heath reminds me a LOT of Flex wheeler.
Don't think anyone in the game today has arms that pop like Flex's did like Heath.
Heath, much like flex or arnold, doesn't look that impressive just standing there, but when they hit a pose its' like their muscles explode.
In that video, his arms look decent when relaxed but when he flexes, you can tell why he has the best arms right now.
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Are you kidding me 40-50 pounds??? That's whats wrong with bb. He's what, around 225-235 max. If he puts 40-50 Ibs that would be completely ruin his physique.
Phil competes at around 215 at the moment according to most reports. He needs to be atleast 240 to be competitive with martinez cutler etc in my opinion
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Phil competes at around 215 at the moment according to most reports. He needs to be atleast 240 to be competitive with martinez cutler etc in my opinion
Total nonsense.... He is fine as he is. Victor Martinez winning the ASC at 10 percent bodyfat was absurd. Phil was atleast 2nd place and id put him in first for being more conditioned then Dexter. He hasn't "payed his dues" yet. I love the excuses judges make for not rightfully placing people.
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I do hope that the judging standards reward the guys like martinez and heath for awhile. This is why the IFBB should have a 210lb and under/ over class.
Then they would see who brings more money to the market when the mag covers hit the shelves......the 210lb class would make them alot more money in sales.
Most guys would rather have a zane type body for life. imo.
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I do hope that the judging standards reward the guys like martinez and heath for awhile. This is why the IFBB should have a 210lb and under/ over class.
Then they would see who brings more money to the market when the mag covers hit the shelves......the 210lb class would make them alot more money in sales.
Most guys would rather have a zane type body for life. imo.
Martinez looked awful compared to Phil.
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among the best arms today. definately the best triceps.
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Martinez looked awful compared to Phil.
Yeah, it can vary show to show. Phil can nail his conditioning better than martinez, but martinez has the classic X-frame. So it can be close. Ive met phil and vic so i hope for either one......good guys.
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hey phill tell us, did you step into a gym 4years ago??? i doubt so... ::) i think u started lifting seriously 4 years ago...but had years of fooling around in the gym before that
As I've stated before many times, I was playing hoops all my life until after I was 22 and was also done playing. I then began lifting later that year. Its not like I never lifted a weight, but you must understand that we ran so much that weights weren't that big of a priority, so we didn't do them as much as other athletes. Sorry to break the news to ya, but I wasn't training like you think I was.
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I can't stand hearing that story..never mind the fact that he was a personal training and probably dabbling with prohormones.
and now they make it seems like he only drinks milk and honey and rolls out of bed on competition day and wins.
Now your just being silly, c'mon bro. :D
I was never a personal trainer so that's a mistake on your assessment and how would you know what I did huh? So when you say, "never mind the fact..." you make no sense because you have no facts...sorry bro. I understand that you are a natural guy and that's awesome, but please know that I've always been an athlete and its been proven in more than one sport. You've gotta realize this or you're gonna continue hating on others which really serves no purpose when no one has said anything about you right? I've once again spent too much time here, but I do appreciate some of the comments as they are well taken and rest easy and know that I'm not ruining my physique so we can now put that theory to rest.
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Yeah, it can vary show to show. Phil can nail his conditioning better than martinez, but martinez has the classic X-frame. So it can be close. Ive met phil and vic so i hope for either one......good guys.
I cant say that I agree with ya WH... victors gut is as big as the rest.
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As I've stated before many times, I was playing hoops all my life until after I was 22 and was also done playing. I then began lifting later that year. Its not like I never lifted a weight, but you must understand that we ran so much that weights weren't that big of a priority, so we didn't do them as much as other athletes. Sorry to break the news to ya, but I wasn't training like you think I was.
Regardless, you have a great physique, bro.
Few years back when Lift studios bragged about you on here, I was skeptical.. Now I see what he was saying..
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if that means having creeps around like lift studios trying to feel up on your and take pictures then hell no
I wonder how much pussy he gets
lift studios is like Jeffrey from Fresh Prince of Belair! And Phil is like Will Smith!
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Now your just being silly, c'mon bro. :D
I was never a personal trainer so that's a mistake on your assessment and how would you know what I did huh? So when you say, "never mind the fact..." you make no sense because you have no facts...sorry bro. I understand that you are a natural guy and that's awesome, but please know that I've always been an athlete and its been proven in more than one sport. You've gotta realize this or you're gonna continue hating on others which really serves no purpose when no one has said anything about you right? I've once again spent too much time here, but I do appreciate some of the comments as they are well taken and rest easy and know that I'm not ruining my physique so we can now put that theory to rest.
Phil thanks for taking the time to respond and I hope you don't feel you are being belittled by comments on your current build. I have alot of respect for you and I hope my comments didn't seem rude. I think you are going to be one of the greats in a few years but I just don't feel you are there yet.
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Now your just being silly, c'mon bro. :D
I was never a personal trainer so that's a mistake on your assessment and how would you know what I did huh? So when you say, "never mind the fact..." you make no sense because you have no facts...sorry bro. I understand that you are a natural guy and that's awesome, but please know that I've always been an athlete and its been proven in more than one sport. You've gotta realize this or you're gonna continue hating on others which really serves no purpose when no one has said anything about you right? I've once again spent too much time here, but I do appreciate some of the comments as they are well taken and rest easy and know that I'm not ruining my physique so we can now put that theory to rest.
Good deal
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Phil definitely has great genetics, but I would not rate him as the most gifted of the current pros. There are many above him at the moment. Of course that does not mean that he isn't a great BBer. I know that I rag on Issac (only when he deserves it) at times and I also know that Phil reads this board and I would not ever put Phil down, so when I critique someones physique it is purely that.
Here's the way I see it. Phil needs step on stage at the Olympia with at least another 10 to 15 pounds of muscle to do some damage. He took a long time off between the Colorado to the AC and was not any bigger as far as I could tell. I saw him guest pose at the Pittsburgh and he actually looked pretty small. So he seems to have failed again to go into the growing phase between shows. The offseason is when you put on size and Phil is too new to the sport to be laying off between shows when he needs to put on quality size. I am talking about 10 to 15 pounds of quality muscle that he should have put on between his first two shows. At this stage and I could be wrong, I do not see Phil coming into the Olympia looking that much different. Phil has great conditioning so the only real changes are going to be adding muscle.
i agree he looks smaller, arms look as big as his legs. and needs to up the volume in training, that was weak, you gotto put the whole hip in to in, and then snap it, at the same time not hurting any camera angles.
hope this helps.
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Phils side chest shot is almost unbeatable tho...
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I think he gets gifts at top level shows. He looks great don't get me wrong but other people look alot better and wayyyyyyyyy thicker
They said the same thing about Flex Wheeler, although Phil ain't that good :D, but the detractors tried to find something wrong with Flex, just as You and others do with Phil.
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I still say Lift Studios looks like Jeffrey from Fresh Prince.
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Hey Phil, don't worry the haters always hate but the fans know you are the real deal 8)
Stavios, founder of the TEAM HEATH
HEATH: Winner of the 2008 Ironman and 2008 ASC 8)
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The fact that heath didn't gain a lot between the NY Pro and the ASC - IMO that was a GOOD thing. He has one of the top physiqyes in the world, but he has to be careful with that waist. And, IMO, blowing up 15 pounds will kill his aesthetics. heath is one of those guys like a levrone or a flex - an athletic looking BBer. When he adds 15 pounds, he'll be a blocky cutout like everyone else (albeit better arms), WITHOUT the wide frame to hold it that you see on a Cutler or Vic M. That's why those guys are the best - their WIDTH. Heath can't compete with that, and shouldn't try to.
heath should add his ten pounds over two years in my opinion. Should get better, not bigger. let the judging standards come to YOU, gift. Don't get in line with everyone else and show up at the 2008 ASC with bunched up pecs and a waist you can't hold in. Come in 4 pounds heavier and take that title because you define what everyone in the audience and at that judging table wants to look like.
This mass monster thing will end and they will eventually have to give the title to someone with a non-monstrosity. I hope the gift fits what will be on the list when things get back to semi-normal.
Anyway, this is just my 2 cents. Good luck in the coming competitive season, phil!
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Total nonsense.... He is fine as he is. Victor Martinez winning the ASC at 10 percent bodyfat was absurd. Phil was atleast 2nd place and id put him in first for being more conditioned then Dexter. He hasn't "payed his dues" yet. I love the excuses judges make for not rightfully placing people.
An in shape heath would not stand a chance against an in shape victor - im not saying he never will - but at his current size he wouldnt. Victor just needs to get the conditioning nailed more often
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The fact that heath didn't gain a lot between the NY Pro and the ASC - IMO that was a GOOD thing. He has one of the top physiqyes in the world, but he has to be careful with that waist. And, IMO, blowing up 15 pounds will kill his aesthetics. heath is one of those guys like a levrone or a flex - an athletic looking BBer. When he adds 15 pounds, he'll be a blocky cutout like everyone else (albeit better arms), WITHOUT the wide frame to hold it that you see on a Cutler or Vic M. That's why those guys are the best - their WIDTH. Heath can't compete with that, and shouldn't try to.
heath should add his ten pounds over two years in my opinion. Should get better, not bigger. let the judging standards come to YOU, gift. Don't get in line with everyone else and show up at the 2008 ASC with bunched up pecs and a waist you can't hold in. Come in 4 pounds heavier and take that title because you define what everyone in the audience and at that judging table wants to look like.
This mass monster thing will end and they will eventually have to give the title to someone with a non-monstrosity. I hope the gift fits what will be on the list when things get back to semi-normal.
Anyway, this is just my 2 cents. Good luck in the coming competitive season, phil!
240, wash you son's ass in the shower for a day and save some money by not using any diapers
take that money and buy the new Flex, you will see some nices shots of Phil a week out of the ASC at 225 where he was much fuller and better than at the ASC
IMO, Phil can compete at a hard 230 as early as the Ironman 2008
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An in shape heath would not stand a chance against an in shape victor - im not saying he never will - but at his current size he wouldnt. Victor just needs to get the conditioning nailed more often
Wrong. Victor has a t-taper and poor shape. He isn't pleasing to the eye like heath is.
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2 of my favorite physiques
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240, wash you son's ass in the shower for a day and save some money by not using any diapers
I've been hit with a rifle round ricocet, a windshield and a baseball bat in my day.
I still prefer all 3 to a dirty diaper.
take that money and buy the new Flex, you will see some nices shots of Phil a week out of the ASC at 225 where he was much fuller and better than at the ASC
IMO, Phil can compete at a hard 230 as early as the Ironman 2008
I don't know who to believe on the phil heath numbers. we heard a lot of talk about him being 10 to 15 pound bigger in 07 than 06. I just see him getting in trouble bunching up in the pecs when he tries to play in the vic martinez lane.
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I've been hit with a rifle round ricocet, a windshield and a baseball bat in my day.
I still prefer all 3 to a dirty diaper.
LMAO !!! ;D
as for who believing, well LiftStudio likes to overhype Phil so he lose a bit of credibility when speaking about him.
same with MadMax cause he always say that * insert a name * will be his best ever
so I should see every pre contest pics and I'll give my honnest opinion as the leader of the Team Phil Heath 2007-2008 8) ;D
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Wrong. Victor has a t-taper and poor shape. He isn't pleasing to the eye like heath is.
Thats your opinion and your entitloed to it. I honestly believe both victor and phil could be the next 2 mr o's, but it will be victor before phil if they both get there. When Victor is diced he still has the x-frame and everything sits where it should, similar to heath but on a bigger scale, (aesthetics probably not as good as heath, but good enough)