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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HowieW on June 26, 2007, 07:27:26 AM
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I saw a show on the inner city subject of "snitchin". I mean nobody likes a tattle tale, but this attitude has gone too far. It seems there are plenty of cases where even murders are not reported. Hmmm, oh well, if you don't report the thugs and criminals, guess who makes the law.
I can only assume the "stop snitchin" idea was started and enforced by the thugs annd criminals that don't want to deal with the law.
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i just reported this thread to the moderators for 'shittyness'
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i just reported this thread to the moderators for 'shittyness'
you beat me to it
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I saw a show on the inner city subject of "snitchin". I mean nobody likes a tattle tale, but this attitude has gone too far. It seems there are plenty of cases where even murders are not reported. Hmmm, oh well, if you don't report the thugs and criminals, guess who makes the law.
I can only assume the "stop snitchin" idea was started and enforced by the thugs annd criminals that don't want to deal with the law.
would you 'snitch' on your bodybuilding heroes, all of whom use drugs?
hypocrite!
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I keep the 40 cal on my side
Steppin with the mindstate of the mobster
See a n**** pass by
Tuck your chain in cause he might rob ya
Got glocks for sale, red tops for sale
Anything you need, believe me, I'm gon lace you
Just don't whatever you do, Snitch
Cause you will get hit, pray I don't lace you, yeah
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solve it by abolishing the 13th amendment.
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i just reported this thread to the moderators for 'shittyness'
God pt I will now let in die and put it out of its misery LOL
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Snitches get Stitches, bitches.
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How come you see some black youth with "stop snitching!" tshirts?
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How come you see some black youth with "stop snitching!" tshirts?
They fear someone might solve the murder of Biggy or 2 pak and want to keep everyone silent on this :D
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A website that Snitches on Snitches:
http://www.whosarat.com/aboutus.php
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Epic pointlessness ;D
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I saw a show on the inner city subject of "snitchin". I mean nobody likes a tattle tale, but this attitude has gone too far. It seems there are plenty of cases where even murders are not reported. Hmmm, oh well, if you don't report the thugs and criminals, guess who makes the law.
I can only assume the "stop snitchin" idea was started and enforced by the thugs annd criminals that don't want to deal with the law.
It's not just inner city kids... Cops have that same mentallity... Rarely will a cop snitch on another cop..
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I keep the 40 cal on my side
Steppin with the mindstate of the mobster
See a n**** pass by
Tuck your chain in cause he might rob ya
Got glocks for sale, red tops for sale
Anything you need, believe me, I'm gon lace you
Just don't whatever you do, Snitch
Cause you will get hit, pray I don't lace you, yeah
the last line is pray i dont face you
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This is why neighborhoods like these continue to decline. It doesn't seem all that wise to give your allegiances to people who don't give two shits about you. Then turn around and whine about how the cops don't protect you from crime.
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If you snitch on victimless crimes you are a piece of shit.
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If you snitch on victimless crimes you are a piece of shit.
I agree with this in part. But the problem is that if you have a drug dealer who is dealing drugs to a person this is considered a victimless crime. I believe that drugs should be legal as this is a democracy. Unfortunately what happens is that drug dealers use violence to maintain their dominance on the drug trade, violence that ultimately spills over into the community. There is an argument if these activities where legal and regulated we might not have the violence that accompanies them.
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I agree with this in part. But the problem is that if you have a drug dealer who is dealing drugs to a person this is considered a victimless crime. I believe that drugs should be legal as this is a democracy. Unfortunately what happens is that drug dealers use violence to maintain their dominance on the drug trade, violence that ultimately spills over into the community. There is an argument if these activities where legal and regulated we might not have the violence that accompanies them.
You are 100% correct. Just a point though, not all drug dealers resort to violence. But the ones who do, I have no problem with them being snitched on.
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If you snitch on victimless crimes you are a piece of shit.
Drugs aren't a victimless.
If you believe that, ask the families of drug addicts.
Legalizing drugs may work in theory Matt, but in reality? No way.
-Hedge
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Drugs aren't a victimless.
If you believe that, ask the families of drug addicts.
Legalizing drugs may work in theory Matt, but in reality? No way.
-Hedge
You have no way of knowing that.
Alcohol is legal and we deal with it.. Hell, it's even a part of most cultures.
Most drug dealers are business merchants - supplying a product in demand. Nothing wrong with that imo. Of course the violent ones are pretty bad and should be ratted on.
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wow , rhyming #### with #### three times , rappers these days suck
uh uh one two....yo ..yo yo
rappers suck these days...I got a broad who rappers fuck these days..man Im trying to live good not work cause working suck these days......
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You have no way of knowing that.
Alcohol is legal and we deal with it.. Hell, it's even a part of most cultures.
Most drug dealers are business merchants - supplying a product in demand. Nothing wrong with that imo. Of course the violent ones are pretty bad and should be ratted on.
Excellent example.
Lots of people suffering from the damage of alcohol.
Doubt alcohol would be made legal if it were "invented" today.
Of course, the socializing effects of alcohol cannot be denied either, but the damaging effects are bigger IMO.
It's a matter of bad outweighing the good.
But don't worry, I'm not arguing to get rid of alcohol, just using it as an example.
-Hedge
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Someone needs to "Snitch" out the local wal-mart for selling the BEER.
Seriously though think about tobacco and alcohol that shit kills more people than anything else, Legal or otherwise put together. Legalizing everything would just be alot better. That way you can tax drugs and actually have the addicts pay for all the problems they cuase in society. Plus think about when you were younger (under 21) the hardest thing for me to get was alcohol. Though anything else yea how much you need. We have the most people in prison in the country and alot of it is drug related. Do I think someone needs to be in jail for selling something trying to make a buck.....fuck no..... Plus total drug addicts are going to get shit weather its legal or not and for that matter so are recreational users.....so why the big deal???
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Excellent example.
Lots of people suffering from the damage of alcohol.
Doubt alcohol would be made legal if it were "invented" today.
Of course, the socializing effects of alcohol cannot be denied either, but the damaging effects are bigger IMO.
It's a matter of bad outweighing the good.
But don't worry, I'm not arguing to get rid of alcohol, just using it as an example.
-Hedge
Are you saying that the governement should jump in, take us by the hand and walk us away from another monster called "Alcohol"?
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Are you saying that the governement should jump in, take us by the hand and walk us away from another monster called "Alcohol"?
What part of "I'm not arguing to get rid of alcohol, just using it as an example." didn't you comprehend?
-Hedge
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alcohol is a killer......weed never killed anyone........Yea I see why weed is illegal.....makes total sense...... ::)
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Why dont we make murder, rape, arson, etc. all legal?
Then we would be living in a Utopia with no crime.
Go back to Canada with that shit you Socialists!
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Oh yeah,
nobody likes a Rat!
Keep to your own bit-ness.
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Why dont we make murder, rape, arson, etc. all legal?
Then we would be living in a Utopia with no crime.
Go back to Canada with that shit you Socialists!
One you do to other people one you do to yourself.......do you see the difference.....or ummm....are you dumb......
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Why dont we make murder, rape, arson, etc. all legal?
Then we would be living in a Utopia with no crime.
Go back to Canada with that shit you Socialists!
Canada is much better than the U.S.
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I'm dumb but...
When that cracked out shitbag does shameless shit to get his next legal fix, is it a victimless crime?
And should the guv-ment take care of said POS when he finally ends up in the hospital or de-tox?
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Canada is much better than the U.S.
That is rich ;D
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Drugs aren't a victimless.
If you believe that, ask the families of drug addicts.
Legalizing drugs may work in theory Matt, but in reality? No way.
-Hedge
Zack, you are an intelligent person and I can personally assure you that after discussions with me, you would agree that legalization of drugs is a superior system both morally and practically.
List all the problems of drugs and I will show you that almost all of those problems exist because drugs are illegal, not the other way around. One argument in favour of making drugs illegal was that cocaine is cut with glass. Well, it is only cut with glass because it is illegal in the first place! I can list tons more examples like this.
The Fraser institute is one of the greatest think tanks in the world and they agree that the criminalization of drugs fails on almost every imaginable level. Think about prohibition: did it work? Definitely not, and all that this "war on drugs" is, is prohibition under a flashier name.
The thing is, you see the problems caused by drugs and ignore the many more problems caused by drugs that only happen due to drugs being a criminal matter. For every one point you make about how drugs being legal truly would damage a person, I can think of 10 things that are damaging which happen because they are illegal.
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What part of "I'm not arguing to get rid of alcohol, just using it as an example." didn't you comprehend?
-Hedge
The part where you keep demonizing drugs, female bodybuilding and everything you feel like disagreeing with.
Do you think the government should get involved more into telling us what to do?
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I'm dumb but...
When that cracked out shitbag does shameless shit to get his next legal fix, is it a victimless crime?
And should the guv-ment take care of said POS when he finally ends up in the hospital or de-tox?
What does that have to do with anything? When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal? Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberties because a minority of people abuse it? With that argument you could technically argue against ANYTHING being legal.
By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit. I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. ;)
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What does that have to do with anything? When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal? Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberty because .
By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit. I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. ;)
Canadian Booooom.
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The part where you keep demonizing drugs, female bodybuilding and everything you feel like disagreeing with.
Do you think the government should get involved more into telling us what to do?
I have, if my memory serves me right, never demonized female bodybuilding.
On the contrary, I am a big supporter of it, I also believe that male hormones do not belong in fe-males.
Did I ever tell you that I thought the BuffGoddess gimmick was brilliant BTW? 8)
-Hedge
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What does that have to do with anything? When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal? Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberties because a minority of people abuse it? With that argument you could technically argue against ANYTHING being legal.
By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit. I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. ;)
How is a person who is on drugs going to be able to hold a job?
-Hedge
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I have, if my memory serves me right, never demonized female bodybuilding.
On the contrary, I am a big supporter of it, I also believe that male hormones do not belong in fe-males.
Did I ever tell you that I thought the BuffGoddess gimmick was brilliant BTW? 8)
-Hedge
Zack, question for you: does drugs being illegal prevent the use and proliferation of drugs? No? So what does it do exactly, other than ruin lives by putting people with health problems (drug addictions) in jail, fund huge multi-billion dollar criminal enterprises (drug cartels), and put drug production on the black market which results in impure drugs which cause sickness and overdose? Also, what is the difference between dealing recreational drugs and commercials on TV that say "Ask your doctor about [name of drug]"? In fact, drug dealing is merely drug supplying, but those commercials are pushing, which is another thing entirely and definitely morally wrong.
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How is a person who is on drugs going to be able to hold a job?
-Hedge
I go to school and have worked.. I drink and smoke weed.
I know professionals who do coke, smoke and drink.. How are they holding their jobs? ::)
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How is a person who is on drugs going to be able to hold a job?
-Hedge
You seem to be implying that drugs being illegal prevents people from using drugs. That is where you are wrong. Drugs are accessible to everyone of all ages now even with drugs being illegal.
By the way, the CIA brought cocaine into the USA originally. Making drugs illegal serves one good: thanks to public hysteria, people give the state much more power which brings money and power to the government. This is only good for the state however.
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What does that have to do with anything? When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal? Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberties because a minority of people abuse it? With that argument you could technically argue against ANYTHING being legal.
By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit. I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. ;)
$20.00 for a fix is an inflated price? You are crazy. I was just saying legalizing everything doesn't make the problems go away. Alcohol and tobacco cause a lot of problems and they are legal. Do you think Heroin, Crack, and Meth are going to be different?
Just cause you want steroids legal doesn't mean we should go overboard.
Talk to the libs on here about what should be done. They are the ones that think it is the drugs, not the person, committing all these crimes ::)
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$20.00 for a fix is an inflated price? You are crazy. I was just saying legalizing everything doesn't make the problems go away. Alcohol and tobacco cause a lot of problems and they are legal. Do you think Heroin, Crack, and Meth are going to be different?
Just cause you want steroids legal doesn't mean we should go overboard.
Talk to the libs on here about what should be done. They are the ones that think it is the drugs, not the person, committing all these crimes ::)
haha, libs are funny. But then again, so are conservatives at times. I am "moderate" I suppose, or libertarian more appropriately. I can absolutely defend perfectly everything I believe in.
$20.00 may not seem like much but it is probably 10 times the price it would be with drugs being legal, but price setting is another topic entirely and only an economist really has the right to speak about this. I could go on here, but I would be typing a lot. Check this out:
Also, check out part 2 and 3.
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Zack, question for you: does drugs being illegal prevent the use and proliferation of drugs? No?
Yes, it definitely prevents the use.
Compare marijuana eg. It is legal under certain circumstances in the Netherlands. In Sweden we don't have the same "coffee shops" and laws. And marijuana isn't as common. So the use is definitely affected, prevented, by being illegal.
So what does it do exactly, other than ruin lives by putting people with health problems (drug addictions) in jail, fund huge multi-billion dollar criminal enterprises (drug cartels), and put drug production on the black market which results in impure drugs which cause sickness and overdose?
Seems like your whole reasoning is based on me agreeing with your previous question/statement, which I didn't... But the law keeps drugs out of the hands of minors, and the society.
Also, what is the difference dealing recreational drugs and commercials on TV that say "Ask your doctor about [name of drug]"? In fact, drug dealing is merely drug supplying, but those commercials are pushing, which is another thing entirely and definitely morally wrong.
What is the difference? The difference is that there is a medical doctor with 5 or 6+ years of education who will have to put his/her name on that prescription. Someone with liability. Someone who will make the call if the patient needs the drug.
A street corner pusher making such a call?
Please.
-Hedge
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Penn Jillette is so much better at articulating what I wanted to say. That man is a genius, just a brilliant mind.
The war on drugs is not working. What part do people not understand about this? ??? It simply does not work, period. This is not open for debate. :)
Drug problems need to be looked at as a public health matter and not a criminal matter. The current war on drugs causes more problems than it solves. If you wish for drugs to be illegal, keep in mind that you are promoting a system which ends more lives than it saves. Whether you admit it or not is not relevant, as that is fact.
Zack - heroin is legalized and controlled in Vancouver now. Read up on something called "The Naomi Project". Ever since heroin has been legalized, drug sickness and overdose has dropped. How do you explain that? How do you explain the lack of drug problems in Amsterdam?
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Penn Jillette is so much better at articulating what I wanted to say. That man is a genius, just a brilliant mind.
The war on drugs is not working. What part do people not understand about this? ??? It simply does not work, period. This is not open for debate. :)
Drug problems need to be looked at as a public health matter and not a criminal matter. The current war on drugs causes more problems than it solves. If you wish for drugs to be illegal, keep in mind that you are promoting a system which ends more lives than it saves. Whether you admit it or not is not relevant, as that is fact.
Zack - heroin is legalized and controlled in Vancouver now. Read up on something called "The Naomi Project". Ever since heroin has been legalized, drug sickness and overdose has dropped. How do you explain that? How do you explain the lack of drug problems in Amsterdam?
I agree that drugs should be considered more of a health problem, or rather a structural health problem, rather than a legal problem. The solution to the drug problem starts with things like needle exchange programs, free metadon and subexone.
I don't buy the legalizing argument.
Let me ask you this: If someone is selling heroin to 16 year old high school kids, and you have completely legalized drugs, what are you gonna do about it?
-Hedge
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Zack - heroin is legalized and controlled in Vancouver now. Read up on something called "The Naomi Project". Ever since heroin has been legalized, drug sickness and overdose has dropped. How do you explain that? How do you explain the lack of drug problems in Amsterdam?
I see what you're saying on the whole Matt, but to be honest, I couldn't give a rats ass bout anyone who OD's on whatever. Even if it is alcohol poisoning.
I chalk that up to thinning the herd.
It seems like everybody has a disease these days whether it be drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc. Nobody should have to save anybody from themselves.
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Zack - there are definitely good arguments in favour of drugs being illegal. I'm saying the sum of benefits in a system where drugs are legalized outweighs any negative aspects. This is the best debate on the subject I've ever read, with intelligent points on both sides:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=60942
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Bad things happened when alcohol was prohibited and bad things happen now that it's legal, but a lot less bad things happen now that it's legal.
The same is true of all drugs.
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Canada is much better than the U.S.
no. it's decent though.
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Right off the bat, I don't care who you are, no one has the right to tell me (or anyone)
To the drug users and the government: get the fuck out of my face. Do what you want providing it doesn't hurt another person but don't dare infringe on my civil liberties. If drugs should be banned because they have the potential to harm someone, why not bad McDonald's and the internet? Why not ban EVERYTHING that can harm someone? If you don't where is the consistency in your argument?
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Zack, you are an intelligent person and I can personally assure you that after discussions with me, you would agree that legalization of drugs is a superior system both morally and practically.
Penn Jillette is so much better at articulating what I wanted to say.
Yeah...
-Hedge
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Yeah...
-Hedge
Penn definitely said it all. Do you have any questions regarding that episode, as I will try to help answer them as best as possible.
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back on topic >:(
three can keep a secret
if two are dead >:(
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back on topic >:(
three can keep a secret
if two are dead >:(
I told you dammit >:(
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back on topic >:(
three can keep a secret
if two are dead >:(
Truer words were never spoken.
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I told you dammit >:(
Sin City.......where snitches are a dying breed >:(
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Sin City.......where snitches are a dying breed >:(
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"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back! There's no choice left. And I'm ready for war. "
>:(
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As far as the drugs...How in the world do you trust a system were you snitch on your neighbor for dealing/using ect but in fact its the system or Government who is bringing these things in one way or another...
In a system where the government is putting "users" in jail for something they are providing...I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could snitch on anything related to drug using or dealing...The government IMOP believes that they can weed out the "weak" by providing this stuff and also the "weak" are used to also weed each other out...
If i turn into a addict, it won't be because my dealer put a gun to my head and told me to use...He to is also a victim of some sort to a system who is using both of us...The last thing anyone should do is turn on each other...In reality that is all we have(each other)...That is as long as you are talking about adults and not kids here..