Stop Snitchin'

[WetWorker]

alcohol is a killer......weed never killed anyone........Yea I see why weed is illegal.....makes total sense......

[CARTEL]

Why dont we make murder, rape, arson, etc. all legal?

Then we would be living in a Utopia with no crime.






Go back to Canada with that shit you Socialists!

[CARTEL]

Oh yeah,

nobody likes a Rat!

Keep to your own bit-ness.

[WetWorker]

Why dont we make murder, rape, arson, etc. all legal?

Then we would be living in a Utopia with no crime.






Go back to Canada with that shit you Socialists!

One you do to other people one you do to yourself.......do you see the difference.....or ummm....are you dumb......

[Andre Nickatina]

Why dont we make murder, rape, arson, etc. all legal?

Then we would be living in a Utopia with no crime.






Go back to Canada with that shit you Socialists!

Canada is much better than the U.S.

[CARTEL]

I'm dumb but...

When that cracked out shitbag does shameless shit to get his next legal fix, is it a victimless crime?

And should the guv-ment take care of said POS when he finally ends up in the hospital or de-tox?

[CARTEL]

Canada is much better than the U.S.

That is rich 

[Matt C]

Drugs aren't a victimless.

If you believe that, ask the families of drug addicts.

Legalizing drugs may work in theory Matt, but in reality? No way.


-Hedge

Zack, you are an intelligent person and I can personally assure you that after discussions with me, you would agree that legalization of drugs is a superior system both morally and practically.

List all the problems of drugs and I will show you that almost all of those problems exist because drugs are illegal, not the other way around.  One argument in favour of making drugs illegal was that cocaine is cut with glass.  Well, it is only cut with glass because it is illegal in the first place!  I can list tons more examples like this.

The Fraser institute is one of the greatest think tanks in the world and they agree that the criminalization of drugs fails on almost every imaginable level.  Think about prohibition: did it work?  Definitely not, and all that this "war on drugs" is, is prohibition under a flashier name.

The thing is, you see the problems caused by drugs and ignore the many more problems caused by drugs that only happen due to drugs being a criminal matter.  For every one point you make about how drugs being legal truly would damage a person, I can think of 10 things that are damaging which happen because they are illegal.

[Alex23]

What part of "I'm not arguing to get rid of alcohol, just using it as an example." didn't you comprehend?

-Hedge

The part where you keep demonizing drugs, female bodybuilding and everything you feel like disagreeing with.

Do you think the government should get involved more into telling us what to do?

[Matt C]

I'm dumb but...

When that cracked out shitbag does shameless shit to get his next legal fix, is it a victimless crime?

And should the guv-ment take care of said POS when he finally ends up in the hospital or de-tox?

What does that have to do with anything?  When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal?  Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberties because a minority of people abuse it?  With that argument you could technically argue against ANYTHING being legal.

By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit.  I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. 

[Alex23]

What does that have to do with anything?  When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal?  Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberty because .

By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit.  I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. 

Canadian Booooom.

[Hedgehog]

The part where you keep demonizing drugs, female bodybuilding and everything you feel like disagreeing with.

Do you think the government should get involved more into telling us what to do?

I have, if my memory serves me right, never demonized female bodybuilding.

On the contrary, I am a big supporter of it, I also believe that male hormones do not belong in fe-males.

Did I ever tell you that I thought the BuffGoddess gimmick was brilliant BTW?

-Hedge

[Hedgehog]

What does that have to do with anything?  When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal?  Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberties because a minority of people abuse it?  With that argument you could technically argue against ANYTHING being legal.

By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit.  I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. 

How is a person who is on drugs going to be able to hold a job?

-Hedge

[Matt C]

I have, if my memory serves me right, never demonized female bodybuilding.

On the contrary, I am a big supporter of it, I also believe that male hormones do not belong in fe-males.

Did I ever tell you that I thought the BuffGoddess gimmick was brilliant BTW?

-Hedge

Zack, question for you: does drugs being illegal prevent the use and proliferation of drugs?  No?  So what does it do exactly, other than ruin lives by putting people with health problems (drug addictions) in jail, fund huge multi-billion dollar criminal enterprises (drug cartels), and put drug production on the black market which results in impure drugs which cause sickness and overdose?  Also, what is the difference between dealing recreational drugs and commercials on TV that say "Ask your doctor about [name of drug]"?  In fact, drug dealing is merely drug supplying, but those commercials are pushing, which is another thing entirely and definitely morally wrong.

[Camel Jockey]

How is a person who is on drugs going to be able to hold a job?

-Hedge

I go to school and have worked.. I drink and smoke weed.

I know professionals who do coke, smoke and drink.. How are they holding their jobs? 

[Matt C]

How is a person who is on drugs going to be able to hold a job?

-Hedge

You seem to be implying that drugs being illegal prevents people from using drugs.  That is where you are wrong.  Drugs are accessible to everyone of all ages now even with drugs being illegal.

By the way, the CIA brought cocaine into the USA originally.  Making drugs illegal serves one good: thanks to public hysteria, people give the state much more power which brings money and power to the government.  This is only good for the state however.

[CARTEL]

What does that have to do with anything?  When someone stabs someone to death should we make knives illegal?  Are you saying it's ok to infringe on everyone's civil liberties because a minority of people abuse it?  With that argument you could technically argue against ANYTHING being legal.

By the way, the crackhead only needs to kill someone to get money for their next fix because with drugs being illegal and all, the prices of drugs are raised artificially high requiring more crime by drug addicts to support their habit.  I love taking a anti drug legalization argument and proving why it is actually a pro drug legalization argument. 

$20.00 for a fix is an inflated price? You are crazy. I was just saying legalizing everything doesn't make the problems go away. Alcohol and tobacco cause a lot of problems and they are legal. Do you think Heroin, Crack, and Meth are going to be different?

Just cause you want steroids legal doesn't mean we should go overboard.

Talk to the libs on here about what should be done. They are the ones that think it is the drugs, not the person, committing all these crimes  

[Matt C]

$20.00 for a fix is an inflated price? You are crazy. I was just saying legalizing everything doesn't make the problems go away. Alcohol and tobacco cause a lot of problems and they are legal. Do you think Heroin, Crack, and Meth are going to be different?

Just cause you want steroids legal doesn't mean we should go overboard.

Talk to the libs on here about what should be done. They are the ones that think it is the drugs, not the person, committing all these crimes 

haha, libs are funny.  But then again, so are conservatives at times.  I am "moderate" I suppose, or libertarian more appropriately.  I can absolutely defend perfectly everything I believe in.

$20.00 may not seem like much but it is probably 10 times the price it would be with drugs being legal, but price setting is another topic entirely and only an economist really has the right to speak about this.  I could go on here, but I would be typing a lot.  Check this out:

Also, check out part 2 and 3.

[Hedgehog]

Zack, question for you: does drugs being illegal prevent the use and proliferation of drugs? No?

Yes, it definitely prevents the use.

Compare marijuana eg. It is legal under certain circumstances in the Netherlands. In Sweden we don't have the same "coffee shops" and laws. And marijuana isn't as common. So the use is definitely affected, prevented, by being illegal.

  So what does it do exactly, other than ruin lives by putting people with health problems (drug addictions) in jail, fund huge multi-billion dollar criminal enterprises (drug cartels), and put drug production on the black market which results in impure drugs which cause sickness and overdose?

Seems like your whole reasoning is based on me agreeing with your previous question/statement, which I didn't... But the law keeps drugs out of the hands of minors, and the society.

Also, what is the difference dealing recreational drugs and commercials on TV that say "Ask your doctor about [name of drug]"?  In fact, drug dealing is merely drug supplying, but those commercials are pushing, which is another thing entirely and definitely morally wrong.

What is the difference? The difference is that there is a medical doctor with 5 or 6+ years of education who will have to put his/her name on that prescription. Someone with liability. Someone who will make the call if the patient needs the drug.

A street corner pusher making such a call?

Please.

-Hedge

[Matt C]

Penn Jillette is so much better at articulating what I wanted to say.  That man is a genius, just a brilliant mind.

The war on drugs is not working.  What part do people not understand about this?    It simply does not work, period.  This is not open for debate. 

Drug problems need to be looked at as a public health matter and not a criminal matter.  The current war on drugs causes more problems than it solves.  If you wish for drugs to be illegal, keep in mind that you are promoting a system which ends more lives than it saves.  Whether you admit it or not is not relevant, as that is fact.

Zack - heroin is legalized and controlled in Vancouver now.  Read up on something called "The Naomi Project".  Ever since heroin has been legalized, drug sickness and overdose has dropped.  How do you explain that?  How do you explain the lack of drug problems in Amsterdam?

[Hedgehog]

Penn Jillette is so much better at articulating what I wanted to say.  That man is a genius, just a brilliant mind.

The war on drugs is not working.  What part do people not understand about this?    It simply does not work, period.  This is not open for debate. 

Drug problems need to be looked at as a public health matter and not a criminal matter.  The current war on drugs causes more problems than it solves.  If you wish for drugs to be illegal, keep in mind that you are promoting a system which ends more lives than it saves.  Whether you admit it or not is not relevant, as that is fact.

Zack - heroin is legalized and controlled in Vancouver now.  Read up on something called "The Naomi Project".  Ever since heroin has been legalized, drug sickness and overdose has dropped.  How do you explain that?  How do you explain the lack of drug problems in Amsterdam?

I agree that drugs should be considered more of a health problem, or rather a structural health problem, rather than a legal problem. The solution to the drug problem starts with things like needle exchange programs, free metadon and subexone.

I don't buy the legalizing argument.

Let me ask you this: If someone is selling heroin to 16 year old high school kids, and you have completely legalized drugs, what are you gonna do about it?

-Hedge

[CARTEL]

Zack - heroin is legalized and controlled in Vancouver now.  Read up on something called "The Naomi Project".  Ever since heroin has been legalized, drug sickness and overdose has dropped.  How do you explain that?  How do you explain the lack of drug problems in Amsterdam?

I see what you're saying on the whole Matt, but to be honest, I couldn't give a rats ass bout anyone who OD's on whatever. Even if it is alcohol poisoning.

I chalk that up to thinning the herd.

It seems like everybody has a disease these days whether it be drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc. Nobody should have to save anybody from themselves.

[Matt C]

Zack - there are definitely good arguments in favour of drugs being illegal.  I'm saying the sum of benefits in a system where drugs are legalized outweighs any negative aspects.  This is the best debate on the subject I've ever read, with intelligent points on both sides:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=60942

[Matt C]

Bad things happened when alcohol was prohibited and bad things happen now that it's legal, but a lot less bad things happen now that it's legal.

The same is true of all drugs.

[Cromespyder]

Canada is much better than the U.S.

no.  it's decent though.