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This is a honest question. I have been training for 11 years, and a member of this board for about 5 years. Since I started following bb I noticed how much drama / immaturity there is in the industry.I know a few national level guys and its the same story with them to. Always talking shit and acting immature. Are bb's more prone to insecurity? Could that be the reason the industry seems to have a lot of trash talking, and jealousy amongst the contestants? Obv a lot of bb's started out as insecure people. I am not saying all bb's are that way, but many seem to fit the mold. Skinny insecure kid, starts lifting because he wants to get bigger.Then becomes obsessed with self image. I believe many bb's suffer from body dismorfia. The kicker is they don't stop. It is never enough. Never big enough, never ripped enough. They take it to the max. Until they end up looking like a science experiment gone bad. Almost like a drug addict or a gambler. They cant play one hand of blackjack, or take one pill. They need to go broke or take the whole bottle. Don't even get me started on the "females" who compete.
Could steroids be to blame for the immature / Primadona attitude most bb's have? Like young kids just hitting puberty, many are all over the place with there moods. Talking sh*t , whining about other competitors, or starting shit in general like little immature bitches. The women are all sauced up, the dudes are all sauced up, there has to be a link. Reminds me of a bunch of 30 year old dudes with the mindset of a 15 year old kid who just hit puberty.
Was there less drama back in the glory days of bb? I am a ironage fan myself.
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No its the schmoes that tell them to act like 14 year olds when they come over for 'private muscle worship' sessions hahahah....
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IMHO I think it may be a combo of addictive personality and extream narsisism. Where some people have no issues and can take roids/test and be top or pro level and act and conduct themselves in a normal fashion the spotlight for bad behavior only gets shined on those causing issues or acting out. On a small scale it's like football. There are a ton of guys who are normal and act normal but the ones that are in the news are the jerkoffs. I watch NFL network every night and all I see is that same Pacman crap or Tank Johnson. Only the bad gets highlighted.
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IMHO I think it may be a combo of addictive personality and extream narsisism. Where some people have no issues and can take roids/test and be top or pro level and act and conduct themselves in a normal fashion the spotlight for bad behavior only gets shined on those causing issues or acting out. On a small scale it's like football. There are a ton of guys who are normal and act normal but the ones that are in the news are the jerkoffs. I watch NFL network every night and all I see is that same Pacman crap or Tank Johnson. Only the bad gets highlighted.
I agree, but it seems like the majority of pro bb's are always squabbaling and acting immature. It seems like pros are always talking s*it about one another. Or there is always some kind of drama/ fight/confrontation between several pros going on.
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I think it's also because they still live with their parents aswell.
And wear Hip Hop clothing when they're 40.
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I agree, but it seems like the majority of pro bb's are always squabbaling and acting immature. It seems like pros are always talking s*it about one another. Or there is always some kind of drama/ fight/confrontation between several pros going on.
I think the high test levels may have something to do with it because that does in fact take the level of aggression you have and turns it up. Plus it's the nature of the business. In "sports" that are decided not by a score or a time it's all based on opinion. Figure skating has the same issues minus the drugs. people whine and bitch and conplain because there is no set definded choice, it's objective. Throw in the way Bodybuilding is funded by winning shows or being known then you have compition with how to get known. Derek Anthony is a great example IMHO. He spends a ton of time on message boards getting his name out there and it gets him sponsers. people may not like what he says but he stirs the pot and people "know" him in this world.
SO you have a person who is willing to push the limits to begin with, is working in a narcisistic business, dealing with putting the spotlight on himself then throw on a cocktail of drugs that spin his personality to the highest degree and bang..problem child.
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Sport promoters seem to think that all people want is soap opera style drama. "The bad boy of baseball, the bad boy of football" ::) As far as I know, Bob still thinks that "good guys and bad guys" in the style of pro wrestling is the best way to promote bodybuilding. Promote bodybuilding=sell powders and supps. Don't know if what you're referring to is all for show or not.
In any case, these guys are in a beauty pageant and they're behaving like beauty queens. Just watched pumping iron for the first time the other week, and I was pretty let down. :-\
Seems the bb industry would be better served long term by promoting health, strength, integrity, etc. Qualities to be admired.
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Sport promoters seem to think that all people want is soap opera style drama. "The bad boy of baseball, the bad boy of football" ::) As far as I know, Bob still thinks that "good guys and bad guys" in the style of pro wrestling is the best way to promote bodybuilding. Promote bodybuilding=sell powders and supps. Don't know if what you're referring to is all for show or not.
In any case, these guys are in a beauty pageant and they're behaving like beauty queens. Just watched pumping iron for the first time the other week, and I was pretty let down. :-\
Seems the bb industry would be better served long term by promoting health, strength, integrity, etc. Qualities to be admired.
Devils advocate, how come Mens health does not outsell Muscular development? How come the christian reader has less subsubscribers then US Weekly? If there was no market for the drama then there would be less. Crap sells..sadly.
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I think the high test levels may have something to do with it because that does in fact take the level of aggression you have and turns it up. Plus it's the nature of the business. In "sports" that are decided not by a score or a time it's all based on opinion. Figure skating has the same issues minus the drugs. people whine and bitch and conplain because there is no set definded choice, it's objective. Throw in the way Bodybuilding is funded by winning shows or being known then you have compition with how to get known. Derek Anthony is a great example IMHO. He spends a ton of time on message boards getting his name out there and it gets him sponsers. people may not like what he says but he stirs the pot and people "know" him in this world.
SO you have a person who is willing to push the limits to begin with, is working in a narcisistic business, dealing with putting the spotlight on himself then throw on a cocktail of drugs that spin his personality to the highest degree and bang..problem child.
Good post.
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I think it depends on the situation. I think a lot of the whining(Shawn Ray style) if you want to call it whining,is due to the differences is opinion as to what the "better" body should look like...such as mass vs shape. These guys work hard and go through hell and get nothing..and in their eyes they are better than whomever and it is hard to keep their yap shut about it.Remember most complaining is after a contest and everyone knows WE ARE ALL prone to be cranky and moody when we are tired and hungry.(depleted after contest prep)
Then there are guys like King Kamali.When he first became a pro look at all the shit talking he did.By most accounts he is a nice guy in "real life". He talked so much trash everyone seemed to hate him....but at the same time,everyone who follows bbing knew who he was.Like someone said about DA ,he got his name out there by shit talking. The squeeky wheel gets the grease and people do love drama....Drama sells.
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16 was pretty fuckin sweet man
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Devils advocate, how come Mens health does not outsell Muscular development? How come the christian reader has less subsubscribers then US Weekly? If there was no market for the drama then there would be less. Crap sells..sadly.
Agreed about the drama, but are you sure MD outsells Men's Health? MD is catering to a small niche market while Men's Health would have wider appeal. I think there's a broad enough market of people interested in both being healthy and looking good that there's money to be made, so the current bb business wouldn't necessarily crumble if they made the shift to a more "mature" approach. They might even make more money once they stop alienating anyone who isn't in adolescence. Most guys who lift do it for health and vanity, they don't juice, and there's lots of 'em.
I think you guys have a point too that some people are just assholes or attention whores.
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Men's health sells 1.5 million copies a year. MD sells about a quarter of that.
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The type of person who competes nearly naked in shows for men, is the same kind of person who likes drama. they live for approval. They could actually use some of this:
http://www.getanabolics.com/2007/06/is-adderall-right-for-you.html
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Agreed about the drama, but are you sure MD outsells Men's Health? MD is catering to a small niche market while Men's Health would have wider appeal. I think there's a broad enough market of people interested in both being healthy and looking good that there's money to be made, so the current bb business wouldn't necessarily crumble if they made the shift to a more "mature" approach. They might even make more money once they stop alienating anyone who isn't in adolescence. Most guys who lift do it for health and vanity, they don't juice, and there's lots of 'em.
I think you guys have a point too that some people are just assholes or attention whores.
In a perfect world we would support those that were shining examples for others to follow but thats not what happens. Getbig is a example of how the "world" works. People endless debate and attack each other, your fat, your skinny, you juice, your genetics are bad, ect. But guess what we all come back and we all read the silly shit. How many times do you see positive comments about someone get a few posts and then fall off but if someone is attacking someone it's like blood in the water and sharks by the dozens. Bodybuilding is a small subset of the workout culture. look around the gym and I mean any gym there is 10 times more normal people then bodybuilders or people in good shape. Do you see tons of products or magazines indorsed by normal people that spend the same time in the gym as bodybuilders and are healthy??Nope you see the extreems. Which sells more tickets the NFL or the arena league? it's football but one is the ultimate top end highest you can push yourself and the other is a part time job for many who play. People want the extreams. They want the fantasy. Hell they even want to be able to point at the fit guy and say "I would look that way if I took drugs". it's not true but it's the nature of people.People want drama and issues if not to watch then to make themselves feel better or justified.
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This is a question for Lee Priest
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Men's health sells 1.5 million copies a year. MD sells about a quarter of that.
You are correct. I just looked it up,suprise for me I never see anyone buy it except gay males.
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In a perfect world we would support those that were shining examples for others to follow but thats not what happens. Getbig is a example of how the "world" works.
Touche ;D
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Obv a lot of bb's started out as insecure people. I am not saying all bb's are that way, but many seem to fit the mold. Skinny insecure kid, starts lifting because he wants to get bigger.
The idea that bbers were insecure skinny kids is, for the most part, a bullshit myth. Look at most of the pros today and you'll see they lifted for sports and that bb turned into a profession when they're chosen sport didnt pan out. Ronnie, Cormier, Dexter, Marcus Haley, and so on all trained for football.
There's so much "drama" in the sport becuase the magazines and the message boards make a big deal everything. Most of the tiffs between pros turn out to be far less than they were made out to be. On getbig, members discuss at length the latest gossip about their favourite pros like a bunch of little girls. I'd say we're far more like 16 year olds than the pros and I doubt steroids have anything to do with it.
(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/shawn_ray/ray15.jpg)
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There's so much "drama" in the sport becuase the magazines and the message boards make a big deal
i disagree.
shawn ray making fun of king nonstop.
bob chicerillo starting bash wars and deleting people's repsonses.
titus threatening to kill people.
prince 'almost dying for us bitches'.
king threatening to sue some asshat over posts.
magazines didn't create this. the bodybuilders did. many of them retired too - and spending their days posting here, trying to look good and get attention because they don't get any from mags anymore. THEY are the drama queens.
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the funniest thing is that the pros or competitiors in general are the easiest to make meltdown, all you have to do is call them out on any claim, poun dage lifted, arm measurement, bodyweight, bodyfat, salary, height, drug use, whatever and they go apeshit, it's so easy.
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I got that lil kid feeling with Levrone in one of his vids when he was in the kitchen with his folks and how they were saying that they cook all his broccoli and spend 400.00 a week buying his food.
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no its not the steroids directly
its the insecurity that leads to the steroids, then... they have the big body and that they think would solve all their problems, but they are still insecure, so... they are now insecure in a bigger body
its a bit like when people move state or country to get away from their problems, it doesn't work. problems follow you around.
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the funniest thing is that the pros or competitiors in general are the easiest to make meltdown, all you have to do is call them out on any claim, poun dage lifted, arm measurement, bodyweight, bodyfat, salary, height, drug use, whatever and they go apeshit, it's so easy.
Very True.
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It's a media phenom. & also the nature of the IFBB, if we're talking about pros at that level. The IFBB sets people up against each other & puts people under pressure to say & do what it wants them to, punishing them if they don't comply. Bob & Shawn are the sheepherders, & the pros are the sheep. So the only direction they have to turn is against each other, & then the mags & websites put a megaphone on anything they say that can cause controversy. It sells.
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den u must be on steroids too, for askin the fkin dumbest qustion in this board's history.
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the funniest thing is that the pros or competitiors in general are the easiest to make meltdown, all you have to do is call them out on any claim, poun dage lifted, arm measurement, bodyweight, bodyfat, salary, height, drug use, whatever and they go apeshit, it's so easy.
you said it, white castle boy.
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den u must be on steroids too, for askin the fkin dumbest qustion in this board's history.
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you said it, white castle boy.
translation=you lie about all the things i mentioned in my post.
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I got that lil kid feeling with Levrone in one of his vids when he was in the kitchen with his folks and how they were saying that they cook all his broccoli and spend 400.00 a week buying his food.
so having your own personal chef means you have issues?
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so having your own personal chef means you have issues?
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no; but the way his parents talked, it sounded like it was a burden on them...and he had arnold victories and other show money, I think he should've bought his own food and not have his parents buy it. I mean Jay for instance cooks most of his meals. I think it portrayed him as childlike.
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I believe certain personality traits create bodybuilders/fitness people:
1. Self-image obsession. No way around it. You have to be obsessed with how you look to get anywhere in bodybuilding or fitness. Period.
2. Obsessive-compulsive. You have to be obsessive about how you eat, how you train, rest, living the "lifestyle", etc.
3. Narsissitic. Goes without saying.
4. Vain. Ditto.
5. An attention seeker. Ditto.
There are many things that play into it, but the bottom-line is that you have to be somewhat stuck on yourself, vain and compulsive to get anywhere when it comes to weight training. You also have to sacrifice other things that should be more important to you than training but aren't due to your obsession with working out/image.
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This is a honest question. I have been training for 11 years, and a member of this board for about 5 years. Since I started following bb I noticed how much drama / immaturity there is in the industry.I know a few national level guys and its the same story with them to. Always talking shit and acting immature. Are bb's more prone to insecurity? Could that be the reason the industry seems to have a lot of trash talking, and jealousy amongst the contestants? Obv a lot of bb's started out as insecure people. I am not saying all bb's are that way, but many seem to fit the mold. Skinny insecure kid, starts lifting because he wants to get bigger.Then becomes obsessed with self image. I believe many bb's suffer from body dismorfia. The kicker is they don't stop. It is never enough. Never big enough, never ripped enough. They take it to the max. Until they end up looking like a science experiment gone bad. Almost like a drug addict or a gambler. They cant play one hand of blackjack, or take one pill. They need to go broke or take the whole bottle. Don't even get me started on the "females" who compete.
Could steroids be to blame for the immature / Primadona attitude most bb's have? Like young kids just hitting puberty, many are all over the place with there moods. Talking sh*t , whining about other competitors, or starting shit in general like little immature bitches. The women are all sauced up, the dudes are all sauced up, there has to be a link. Reminds me of a bunch of 30 year old dudes with the mindset of a 15 year old kid who just hit puberty.
Was there less drama back in the glory days of bb? I am a ironage fan myself.
Good observatiion/post.
However, I don't think steroids are to blame. Personally, I believe that if you're a prick while off, you'll be one while on. Just like with drunks (alcohol), it's just an excuse to act like fools (drugs for bbers). Not defending steroids mind you, I don't use them, and see no purpose in temporary muscles. I just think people are too quick to blame steroids for everything, much like our media.
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I believe certain personality traits create bodybuilders/fitness people:
1. Self-image obsession. No way around it. You have to be obsessed with how you look to get anywhere in bodybuilding or fitness. Period.
2. Obsessive-compulsive. You have to be obsessive about how you eat, how you train, rest, living the "lifestyle", etc.
3. Narsissitic. Goes without saying.
4. Vain. Ditto.
5. An attention seeker. Ditto.
There are many things that play into it, but the bottom-line is that you have to be somewhat stuck on yourself, vain and compulsive to get anywhere when it comes to weight training. You also have to sacrifice other things that should be more important to you than training but aren't due to your obsession with working out/image.
everything he said. plus, how mature do you expect people to act when they are part of an industry that is based around lies? poundage lies, achievment lies, lifestyle lies, supplement lies, magazines filled with lies, magazines that completely ingore steroids as a part of bb, at least MD (as silly as it is) recognizes that aas is a huge part of bb. lies lies lies.
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the funniest thing is that the pros or competitiors in general are the easiest to make meltdown, all you have to do is call them out on any claim, poun dage lifted, arm measurement, bodyweight, bodyfat, salary, height, drug use, whatever and they go apeshit, it's so easy.
Think about this. A pro bodybuilder needs to break the law to do well in their sport.
Seriously think about that.
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The chances are with most pro bodybuilders, that's all they've devoted their life to doing so it's no wonder they've got a one track mind. One track minds generally are pretty immature.
It's not just this case with bodybuilding - look at other sports - when you listen to interviews of the top people in any sport you hear a monotonous tone that makes you wanna switch off. Put them in any other situation and they become like a person lesser than their years - naive and stupid.
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Think about this. A pro bodybuilder needs to break the law to do well in their sport.
Seriously think about that.
Right.
This is a point I've made before.
Think about it......a person with ZERO regard for their health, their families, and the law. That's the type of person it takes to "make it" in this industry. How sad.
As I've said before, I LOVE bbing. To me it IS a healthy endeavour. Too bad that for these other folks, it's no longer so.
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Here you go:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/store/videos/dave-pulcinella-raising-the-bar-2.html
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Right.
This is a point I've made before.
Think about it......a person with ZERO regard for their health, their families, and the law. That's the type of person it takes to "make it" in this industry. How sad.
As I've said before, I LOVE bbing. To me it IS a healthy endeavour. Too bad that for these other folks, it's no longer so.
So true. I love bodybuilding as well, I couldn't live without it. Even taking one day off a week kills me. However I'm not bashing steroid users!!! I don't think there is anything wrong with doing a little here and there. The problem lies within guys not being able to take a year off or taking crazy amounts.
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I agree with you guys. I love to exercise. I'm not a bodybuilder but more of a fitness guy. I like the look, the adrenaline rush, the boost of self-confidence, the health benefits, etc. To me, it's just not worth it to push the envelope. It's simply beyond my comprehension as to why people can't just push themselves to the very limit of what they can obtain through diet, exercise and genetics and just leave it at that. I'm not sure what exactly makes someone so off kilter that they can't live with this. It's always baffled me.
What is there to gain by using/pushing the limits? I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to break the law to make a living. You might as well join the mob. It pays better and you're still evading the law to make a living. You are playing with your life either way, also.
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I agree with you guys. I love to exercise. I'm not a bodybuilder but more of a fitness guy. I like the look, the adrenaline rush, the boost of self-confidence, the health benefits, etc. To me, it's just not worth it to push the envelope. It's simply beyond my comprehension as to why people can't just push themselves to the very limit of what they can obtain through diet, exercise and genetics and just leave it at that. I'm not sure what exactly makes someone so off kilter that they can't live with this. It's always baffled me.
What is there to gain by using/pushing the limits? I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to break the law to make a living. You might as well join the mob. It pays better and you're still evading the law to make a living. You are playing with your life either way, also.
Thats the issue. I'll be the first to admit my genetics suck. I started at 6'0 165 6 years ago. got to 195-200 and no more muscle was in sight. I did a cycle about a year and a half ago and don't regret it one bit. I'm 220 today at very low bf. For a tall linky guy like me it was a viable option that I don't regret.
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I agree with you guys. I love to exercise. I'm not a bodybuilder but more of a fitness guy. I like the look, the adrenaline rush, the boost of self-confidence, the health benefits, etc. To me, it's just not worth it to push the envelope. It's simply beyond my comprehension as to why people can't just push themselves to the very limit of what they can obtain through diet, exercise and genetics and just leave it at that. I'm not sure what exactly makes someone so off kilter that they can't live with this. It's always baffled me.
What is there to gain by using/pushing the limits? I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to break the law to make a living. You might as well join the mob. It pays better and you're still evading the law to make a living. You are playing with your life either way, also.
Right.
Maybe it's just me, but I'll earn what little I get/have. Drugs are a short cut. How much satisfaction is there in something you didn't earn?
Besides, I believe it to be a character issue. If you would break the law, for something as pathetic and pointless as temporary muscles, what low wouldn't that person steep to? That's not even getting into the disregard for one's own health, and family.
I'm not criticizing anyone's use. It's just not for me. Not flaming, just my opinion.
I'm nothing special. But everything I have, I earned. I'm not looking over my shoulder, worried about someone ratting me out, or missing a shipment, or worried about my health ten years from now for shit I'm taking/doing today. Life comes with enough drama, why add to it?
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my position is do whatever the fucck you want to do just stay out of my business.
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Thats the issue. I'll be the first to admit my genetics suck. I started at 6'0 165 6 years ago. got to 195-200 and no more muscle was in sight. I did a cycle about a year and a half ago and don't regret it one bit. I'm 220 today at very low bf. For a tall linky guy like me it was a viable option that I don't regret.
My genetics suck too. But I just hit the gym as hard as I can, and the results come....even if slowly. Everyone plateaus.
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Bodybuilding is moving towards the extremes, requiring people that will go to extremes, out of insecurity, immaturity, obsessiveness etc.
BB attracts a lot of insecure folks, hoping that being huge will be the end of all their insecurity. Put a bunch of insecure men on a lot of test and you can see where the henhouse starts.
Ah well, its fun to watch but nothing to take serious really hehe.
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My genetics suck too. But I just hit the gym as hard as I can, and the results come....even if slowly. Everyone plateaus.
I still think getting to 210-220 at 5% is near impossible without drugs. It for sure can be done but with great genetics, which I don't have.
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You ever think its just fun acting like a 16 year old......so why not ;D
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no; but the way his parents talked, it sounded like it was a burden on them...and he had arnold victories and other show money, I think he should've bought his own food and not have his parents buy it. I mean Jay for instance cooks most of his meals. I think it portrayed him as childlike.
how did it sound like it was a burden on them?
he didn't force them to do it and he paid them
as for how he was portrayed, he came off as a king to me 8)
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I believe that, without question, you can achieve a weight of 205 or so at 5% BF or less without drugs.
Why?
Because I can do it myself at a height under 6 feet.
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I believe that, without question, you can achieve a weight of 205 or so at 5% BF or less without drugs.
Why?
Because I can do it myself at a height under 6 feet.
So do I.
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I believe that, without question, you can achieve a weight of 205 or so at 5% BF or less without drugs.
Why?
Because I can do it myself at a height under 6 feet.
hahahahahahahahah, dude you're not 205 at 5 percent, we've all seen your pictures.
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205 ::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=156759.msg2201716#new
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205 ::)
hahahaha, dude the only way he's 205 at 5 percent BF is if he's 6'8".
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I'm pretty sure that True Adonis is clean..So my guess is steroids have nothing to do with it
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I believe that, without question, you can achieve a weight of 205 or so at 5% BF or less without drugs.
Why?
Because I can do it myself at a height under 6 feet.
your pics say otherwise
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I weighed 204 at 5'11" and 3/4ths in those pics from 2 years ago...
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I weighed 204 at 5'11" and 3/4ths in those pics from 2 years ago...
no you didn't.
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I weighed 204 at 5'11" and 3/4ths in those pics from 2 years ago...
how about now? Have you gotten off the tweak and let yourself go, fatso?
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LOL!!! Why would someone LIE about weighing 204? LMAO!!!!!! You're a dumbass, Squad.
I'm not a midget, fellas. It's hard to tell what I weigh because I actually have legs and I'm lean all the time...and I'm not short.
My brother took those pics in June of 2005.
Chaos, me and "fatso" in the same sentence is some funny stuff.
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LOL!!! Why would someone LIE about weighing 204? LMAO!!!!!! You're a dumbass, Squad.
I'm not a midget, fellas. It's hard to tell what I weigh because I actually have legs and I'm lean all the time...and I'm not short.
My brother took those pics in June of 2005.
Chaos, me and "fatso" in the same sentence is some funny stuff.
upper body wise you look like 175 pounder, you must have either concrete bones or legs like Ronnie Coleman.
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even IF you were 204 at 5'11" and 3/4 ::) It's really nothing to call yourself "theegocrusher" about. Actually at that height, it's pretty small :-\
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Not like Ronnie Coleman by a long shot but I actually have legs...unlike Chaos...
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Not like Ronnie Coleman by a long shot but I actually have legs...unlike Chaos...
you call those legs?
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Not like Ronnie Coleman by a long shot but I actually have legs...unlike Chaos...
hHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
those aren't legs.........I hope you are doing a handstand. My arms are bigger hahahahahahahahahahha how "big" are those things 18 3/4? hahahahhahahaha
and no I won't post a pic, I'm not like you trying to impress anonymous internet people ::)
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you call those legs?
Epic jealousy from both of you.
Expected.
Why don't one of you guys surprise me sometime? Once again, I'm not a midget....
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Epic jealousy from both of you.
Expected.
Why don't one of you guys surprise me sometime? Once again, I'm not a midget....
I'm not a midget either, what's your point?
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no; but the way his parents talked, it sounded like it was a burden on them...and he had arnold victories and other show money, I think he should've bought his own food and not have his parents buy it. I mean Jay for instance cooks most of his meals. I think it portrayed him as childlike.
they weren't his parents. The lady was co-owner of the gym with Levrone, so she has a stake in how well he does.
As far as the mags lying about AAS. FLEX Magazine back in the early to mid 90's was VERY candid about usage. There interview with former IFBB pros, who talk about usage openly, as a matter of fact Mike Christian talked his first time having a needle shoved in his ass.
Dorian Yates had said something to the degree of: "If you take a 140 pound insecure man and build him up to 240 pounds, he is just a 240 insecure man"
You have so many factors around this topic, but one thing that sticks out, is that many of bodybuilders have little or no post high school education, top it off they all think that they are going to blow up like Arnold did, and many are emotional unstable. Put drugs in the mix, like any other population, and you see similar behavior. Only these drugs make one bigger.
Ever notice that Rich Jones, or similar guys (one could say Shawn Ray--I don't think he was whining, if they took heed to what he was saying, you wouldn't see the physiques of today) People who have stable backgrounds, who have their head on straihgt, don't exhibit any of these attributes?
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they weren't his parents. The lady was co-owner of the gym with Levrone, so she has a stake in how well he does.
As far as the mags lying about AAS. FLEX Magazine back in the early to mid 90's was VERY candid about usage. There interview with former IFBB pros, who talk about usage openly, as a matter of fact Mike Christian talked his first time having a needle shoved in his ass.
Dorian Yates had said something to the degree of: "If you take a 140 pound insecure man and build him up to 240 pounds, he is just a 240 insecure man"
You have so many factors around this topic, but one thing that sticks out, is that many of bodybuilders have little or no post high school education, top it off they all think that they are going to blow up like Arnold did, and many are emotional unstable. Put drugs in the mix, like any other population, and you see similar behavior. Only these drugs make one bigger.
Ever notice that Rich Jones, or similar guys (one could say Shawn Ray--I don't think he was whining, if they took heed to what he was saying, you wouldn't see the physiques of today) People who have stable backgrounds, who have their head on straihgt, don't exhibit any of these attributes?
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA @ the comment about Shawn Ray....he used to complain and bitch all the time from what people say. But You still can't take away the fact that he was one of the best of all time.
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True, he used to complain ( is that what it was), but it was odd, he was the only one that spoke his mind, if saw something that didn't sit right with him. All the others towed the company line. If a dude speaks out, he is labelled a whiner, by who I wonder? So to not labelled a "whiner" few complain or speak on changes that need to be made. But what is odd, is on his "THE FINAL COUNTDOWN" vid, before he is announced as a guest speaker at a GOLD's openhouse, he and Uncle Joe are seen having a casual chat, like good ol' buddies.
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True, he used to complain ( is that what it was), but it was odd, he was the only one that spoke his mind, if saw something that didn't sit right with him. All the others towed the company line. If a dude speaks out, he is labelled a whiner, by who I wonder? So to not labelled a "whiner" few complain or speak on changes that need to be made. But what is odd, is on his "THE FINAL COUNTDOWN" vid, before he is announced as a guest speaker at a GOLD's openhouse, he and Uncle Joe are seen having a casual chat, like good ol' buddies.
Hey I respect a guy who will say what he thinks
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This is a honest question. I have been training for 11 years, and a member of this board for about 5 years. Since I started following bb I noticed how much drama / immaturity there is in the industry.I know a few national level guys and its the same story with them to. Always talking shit and acting immature. Are bb's more prone to insecurity? Could that be the reason the industry seems to have a lot of trash talking, and jealousy amongst the contestants? Obv a lot of bb's started out as insecure people. I am not saying all bb's are that way, but many seem to fit the mold. Skinny insecure kid, starts lifting because he wants to get bigger.Then becomes obsessed with self image. I believe many bb's suffer from body dismorfia. The kicker is they don't stop. It is never enough. Never big enough, never ripped enough. They take it to the max. Until they end up looking like a science experiment gone bad. Almost like a drug addict or a gambler. They cant play one hand of blackjack, or take one pill. They need to go broke or take the whole bottle. Don't even get me started on the "females" who compete.
Could steroids be to blame for the immature / Primadona attitude most bb's have? Like young kids just hitting puberty, many are all over the place with there moods. Talking sh*t , whining about other competitors, or starting shit in general like little immature bitches. The women are all sauced up, the dudes are all sauced up, there has to be a link. Reminds me of a bunch of 30 year old dudes with the mindset of a 15 year old kid who just hit puberty.
Was there less drama back in the glory days of bb? I am a ironage fan myself.
Congratulations, you have won. 100% accurate.