Are steriods the reason a lot of bb's act like 16 year old kids

[body88]

This is a honest question. I have been training for 11 years, and a member of this board for about 5 years. Since I started following bb I noticed how much drama / immaturity there is in the industry.I know a few national level guys and its the same story with them to. Always talking shit and acting immature. Are bb's more prone to insecurity? Could that be the reason the industry seems to have a lot of trash talking, and jealousy amongst the contestants? Obv a lot of bb's started out as insecure people. I am not saying all bb's are that way, but many seem to fit the mold. Skinny insecure kid, starts lifting because he wants to get bigger.Then becomes obsessed with self image. I believe many bb's suffer from body dismorfia. The kicker is they don't stop. It is never enough. Never big enough, never ripped enough. They take it to the max. Until they end up looking like a science experiment gone bad. Almost like a drug addict or a gambler. They cant play one hand of blackjack, or take one pill. They need to go broke or take the whole bottle. Don't even get me started on the "females" who compete.

Could steroids be to blame for the immature / Primadona attitude most bb's have? Like young kids just hitting puberty, many are all over the place with there moods. Talking sh*t , whining about other competitors, or starting shit in general like little immature bitches. The women are all sauced up, the dudes are all sauced up, there has to be a link. Reminds me of a bunch of 30 year old dudes with the mindset of a 15 year old kid who just hit puberty.


Was there less drama back in the glory days of bb? I am a ironage fan myself.

[jaejonna]

No its the schmoes that tell them to act like 14 year olds when they come over for 'private muscle worship' sessions hahahah....

[Always Sore]

IMHO I think it may be a combo of addictive personality and extream narsisism. Where some people have no issues and can take roids/test and be top or pro level and act and conduct themselves in a normal fashion the spotlight for bad behavior only gets shined on those causing issues or acting out. On a small scale it's like football. There are a ton of guys who are normal and act normal but the ones that are in the news are the jerkoffs. I watch NFL network every night and all I see is that same Pacman crap or Tank Johnson. Only the bad gets highlighted.

[body88]

IMHO I think it may be a combo of addictive personality and extream narsisism. Where some people have no issues and can take roids/test and be top or pro level and act and conduct themselves in a normal fashion the spotlight for bad behavior only gets shined on those causing issues or acting out. On a small scale it's like football. There are a ton of guys who are normal and act normal but the ones that are in the news are the jerkoffs. I watch NFL network every night and all I see is that same Pacman crap or Tank Johnson. Only the bad gets highlighted.

I agree, but it seems like the majority of pro bb's are always squabbaling and acting immature. It seems like pros are always talking s*it about one another. Or there is always some kind of drama/ fight/confrontation between several pros going on.

[BigCypriate]

I think it's also because they still live with their parents aswell.

And wear Hip Hop clothing when they're 40.

[Always Sore]

I agree, but it seems like the majority of pro bb's are always squabbaling and acting immature. It seems like pros are always talking s*it about one another. Or there is always some kind of drama/ fight/confrontation between several pros going on.

I think the high test levels may have something to do with it because that does in fact take the level of aggression you have and turns it up. Plus it's the nature of the business. In "sports" that are decided not by a score or a time it's all based on opinion. Figure skating has the same issues minus the drugs. people whine and bitch and conplain because there is no set definded choice, it's objective. Throw in the way Bodybuilding is funded by winning shows or being known then you have compition with how to get known. Derek Anthony is a great example IMHO. He spends a ton of time on message boards getting his name out there and it gets him sponsers. people may not like what he says but he stirs the pot and people "know" him in this world.

SO you have a person who is willing to push the limits to begin with, is working in a narcisistic business, dealing with putting the spotlight on himself then throw on a cocktail of drugs that spin his personality to the highest degree and bang..problem child.

[Tapeworm]

Sport promoters seem to think that all people want is soap opera style drama.  "The bad boy of baseball, the bad boy of football"    As far as I know, Bob still thinks that "good guys and bad guys" in the style of pro wrestling is the best way to promote bodybuilding.  Promote bodybuilding=sell powders and supps.  Don't know if what you're referring to is all for show or not.

In any case, these guys are in a beauty pageant and they're behaving like beauty queens.  Just watched pumping iron for the first time the other week, and I was pretty let down.    

Seems the bb industry would be better served long term by promoting health, strength, integrity, etc.  Qualities to be admired.

[Always Sore]

Sport promoters seem to think that all people want is soap opera style drama.  "The bad boy of baseball, the bad boy of football"    As far as I know, Bob still thinks that "good guys and bad guys" in the style of pro wrestling is the best way to promote bodybuilding.  Promote bodybuilding=sell powders and supps.  Don't know if what you're referring to is all for show or not.

In any case, these guys are in a beauty pageant and they're behaving like beauty queens.  Just watched pumping iron for the first time the other week, and I was pretty let down.    

Seems the bb industry would be better served long term by promoting health, strength, integrity, etc.  Qualities to be admired.

Devils advocate, how come Mens health does not outsell Muscular development? How come the christian reader has less subsubscribers then US Weekly? If there was no market for the drama then there would be less. Crap sells..sadly.

[body88]

I think the high test levels may have something to do with it because that does in fact take the level of aggression you have and turns it up. Plus it's the nature of the business. In "sports" that are decided not by a score or a time it's all based on opinion. Figure skating has the same issues minus the drugs. people whine and bitch and conplain because there is no set definded choice, it's objective. Throw in the way Bodybuilding is funded by winning shows or being known then you have compition with how to get known. Derek Anthony is a great example IMHO. He spends a ton of time on message boards getting his name out there and it gets him sponsers. people may not like what he says but he stirs the pot and people "know" him in this world.

SO you have a person who is willing to push the limits to begin with, is working in a narcisistic business, dealing with putting the spotlight on himself then throw on a cocktail of drugs that spin his personality to the highest degree and bang..problem child.

Good post.

[gtbro1]

  I think it depends on the situation. I think a lot of the whining(Shawn Ray style) if you want to call it whining,is due to the differences is opinion as to what the "better" body should look like...such as mass vs shape. These guys work hard and go through hell and get nothing..and in their eyes they are better than whomever and it is hard to keep their yap shut about it.Remember most complaining is after a contest and everyone knows WE ARE ALL  prone to be cranky and moody when we are tired and hungry.(depleted after contest prep)
   Then there are guys like King Kamali.When he first became a pro look at all the shit talking he did.By most accounts he is a nice guy in "real life". He talked so much trash everyone seemed to hate him....but at the same time,everyone who follows bbing knew who he was.Like someone said about DA ,he got his name out there by shit talking. The squeeky wheel gets the grease and people do love drama....Drama sells.

[Bigger Business]

16 was pretty fuckin sweet man

[Tapeworm]

Devils advocate, how come Mens health does not outsell Muscular development? How come the christian reader has less subsubscribers then US Weekly? If there was no market for the drama then there would be less. Crap sells..sadly.

Agreed about the drama, but are you sure MD outsells Men's Health?  MD is catering to a small niche market while Men's Health would have wider appeal.  I think there's a broad enough market of people interested in both being healthy and looking good that there's money to be made, so the current bb business wouldn't necessarily crumble if they made the shift to a more "mature" approach.  They might even make more money once they stop alienating anyone who isn't in adolescence.  Most guys who lift do it for health and vanity, they don't juice, and there's lots of 'em.

I think you guys have a point too that some people are just assholes or attention whores.

[xpac2]

Men's health sells 1.5 million copies a year. MD sells about a quarter of that.

[Livewire]

The type of person who competes nearly naked in shows for men, is the same kind of person who likes drama.  they live for approval.  They could actually use some of this:

http://www.getanabolics.com/2007/06/is-adderall-right-for-you.html

[Always Sore]

Agreed about the drama, but are you sure MD outsells Men's Health?  MD is catering to a small niche market while Men's Health would have wider appeal.  I think there's a broad enough market of people interested in both being healthy and looking good that there's money to be made, so the current bb business wouldn't necessarily crumble if they made the shift to a more "mature" approach.  They might even make more money once they stop alienating anyone who isn't in adolescence.  Most guys who lift do it for health and vanity, they don't juice, and there's lots of 'em.

I think you guys have a point too that some people are just assholes or attention whores.

In a perfect world we would support those that were shining examples for others to follow but thats not what happens. Getbig is a example of how the "world" works. People endless debate and attack each other, your fat, your skinny, you juice, your genetics are bad, ect. But guess what we all come back and we all read the silly shit. How many times do you see positive comments about someone get a few posts and then fall off but if someone is attacking someone it's like blood in the water and sharks by the dozens. Bodybuilding is a small subset of the workout culture. look around the gym and I mean any gym there is 10 times more normal people then bodybuilders or people in good shape. Do you see tons of products or magazines indorsed by normal people that spend the same time in the gym as bodybuilders and are healthy??Nope you see the extreems. Which sells more tickets the NFL or the arena league? it's football but one is the ultimate top end highest you can push yourself and the other is a part time job for many who play. People want the extreams. They want the fantasy. Hell they even want to be able to point at the fit guy and say "I would look that way if I took drugs". it's not true but it's the nature of people.People want drama and issues if not to watch then to make themselves feel better or justified.

[XFACTOR]

This is a question for Lee Priest

[Always Sore]

Men's health sells 1.5 million copies a year. MD sells about a quarter of that.

You are correct. I just looked it up,suprise for me I never see anyone buy it except gay males.

[Tapeworm]

In a perfect world we would support those that were shining examples for others to follow but thats not what happens. Getbig is a example of how the "world" works.

Touche 

[Ex Coelis]

Obv a lot of bb's started out as insecure people. I am not saying all bb's are that way, but many seem to fit the mold. Skinny insecure kid, starts lifting because he wants to get bigger.

The idea that bbers were insecure skinny kids is, for the most part, a bullshit myth. Look at most of the pros today and you'll see they lifted for sports and that bb turned into a profession when they're chosen sport didnt pan out. Ronnie, Cormier, Dexter, Marcus Haley, and so on all trained for football.

There's so much "drama" in the sport becuase the magazines and the message boards make a big deal everything. Most of the tiffs between pros turn out to be far less than they were made out to be. On getbig, members discuss at length the latest gossip about their favourite pros like a bunch of little girls. I'd say we're far more like 16 year olds than the pros and I doubt steroids have anything to do with it.

[Livewire]

There's so much "drama" in the sport becuase the magazines and the message boards make a big deal

i disagree.


shawn ray making fun of king nonstop.
bob chicerillo starting bash wars and deleting people's repsonses.
titus threatening to kill people.
prince 'almost dying for us bitches'.
king threatening to sue some asshat over posts.


magazines didn't create this.  the bodybuilders did.  many of them retired too - and spending their days posting here, trying to look good and get attention because they don't get any from mags anymore.  THEY are the drama queens.

[The Squadfather]

the funniest thing is that the pros or competitiors in general are the easiest to make meltdown, all you have to do is call them out on any claim, poun dage lifted, arm measurement, bodyweight, bodyfat, salary, height, drug use, whatever and they go apeshit, it's so easy.

[migizi]

I got that lil kid feeling with Levrone in one of his vids when he was in the kitchen with his folks and how they were saying that they cook all his broccoli and spend 400.00 a week buying his food.

[Frauhorn]

no its not the steroids directly

its the insecurity that leads to the steroids, then... they have the big body and that they think would solve all their problems, but they are still insecure, so... they are now insecure in a bigger body

its a bit like when people move state or country to get away from their problems, it doesn't work. problems follow you around.

[gtbro1]

the funniest thing is that the pros or competitiors in general are the easiest to make meltdown, all you have to do is call them out on any claim, poun dage lifted, arm measurement, bodyweight, bodyfat, salary, height, drug use, whatever and they go apeshit, it's so easy.

Very True.

[hifrommike]

It's a media phenom.  & also the nature of the IFBB, if we're talking about pros at that level.  The IFBB sets people up against each other & puts people under pressure to say & do what it wants them to, punishing them if they don't comply.  Bob & Shawn are the sheepherders, & the pros are the sheep. So the only direction they have to turn is against each other, & then the mags & websites put a megaphone on anything they say that can cause controversy.  It sells.