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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bast000 on July 08, 2007, 10:41:54 PM
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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He has that nice RED glow, a Heart Attack waiting to happen.Hes on everything.
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branch uses less than a gram of anadrol a week.... ;D
My guess is that Branch uses the most "Sauce" out of the top 50 Bodybuilders in the world right now..
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He has that nice RED glow, a Heart Attack waiting to happen.Hes on everything.
What causes that red glow? High blood pressure rarely manifests any physical symptoms, if ever, yet that red glow would appear to be something unhealthy...
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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he DOES look like hsi head is about to pop off.....
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He has that nice RED glow, a Heart Attack waiting to happen.
God, you are dumb!
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Hes on everything.
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and lots of it
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What causes that red glow? High blood pressure rarely manifests any physical symptoms, if ever, yet that red glow would appear to be something unhealthy...
Damn, Matt for someone who doesn't use steriods...You sure are very pro steriod...It's only a matter of time before you start matt..Once you extablish a good source for the "sauce" there's going to be no looking back..
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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..they also eat kids for breakfast...and wives for lunch...
I am just waiting when some another "expert" as GH15 (or is it GH515 - due to his tendency to just "slightly" exaggerate the numbers?) will claim that "this guys" take more than a KILO gram of test a week!
After all - with our "monkey see (but can't really see clearly), monkey do" principles in bodybuilding ...and "sound theory" that if ONE GRAM of test (sufficient to MAJORITY of IFBB TOP PROS...and I do say TOP - not those few that competed on 17th anniversary of the Chinese Full Blue Moon /read ONCE IN THE LIFETIME/ IFBB professionals) is good - 2 is: "twice as good", 100 grams is "100 times better" so "this guys" must be taking a cool KILO.
Brilliant thinking of yet even more brilliant (getbig) minds!
Hallelujah!
The best thing is - I am scrutinized here for NOT TELLING THE TRUTH - as (I guess?) I want to......WHAT EXACTLY?
Misslead you...or SAVE YOUR LIVES?
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I am concern about Matt C steroid use. Dude is going too far
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God, you are dumb!
Hes on everything.
and lots of it
I Know his on everthing just that nice REDGLOW caught my eye
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...they also eat kids for breakfast...and wives for lunch...
I am just waiting when some another "expert" as GH15 (or is it GH515 - due to his tendency to just "slightly" ::) exaggerate the numbers?) will claim that "this guys" take more than a KILO gram of test a week!
After all with our "monkey see (but can't really see clearly), monkey do" principles in bodybuilding ...and "sound theory" ::) that if ONE GRAM of test (sufficient to MAJORITY of IFBB TOP PROS...and I do say TOP - not those few that competed on 17 anniversary of the Chinese Full Blue Moon /read ONCE IN THE LIFETIME/ IFBB professionals) is good - 2 is: "twice as good", 100 grams is "100 times better" so "this guys" must be taking a cool KILO. ::)
Brilliant thinking of yet even more brilliant (getbig) minds!
Hallelujah!
The best thing is - I am scrutinized here for NOT TELLING THE TRUTH - as (I guess?) I want to......WHAT EXACTLY?
Misslead you...or SAVE YOUR LIVES?
If more isn't better then why the widespread talk of GH, Insulin, anadrol, dnp, etc.. Why not Testosterone alone? It's clear that they are taking more.
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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Bast are you trying to tell us it took you more than a gram of test a week to see results? What was you first cycle? Did you keep your gains? Did your nose get any smaller? Did your calves grow?
Thanks
SGT. D
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Bast are you trying to tell us it took you more than a gram of test a week to see results? What was you first cycle? Did you keep your gains? Did your nose get any smaller? Did your calves grow?
Thanks
SGT. D
No I've never injected anything.
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..well not into myself that is.
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If more isn't better then why the widespread talk of GH, Insulin, anadrol, dnp, etc.. Why not Testosterone alone? It's clear that they are taking more.
It is CLEAR...that you can also buy property on Mars - from the same people (dealers...who will tell you that your miserable 750mg order per week is a joke...as OBVIOUSLY Ronnie and Jay must take that in one day...or rather after every meal...Also, they will offer you two for one sale of the best real estate in just opened North Pole - right next to Santa...Gym membership included!)
Hurry up sale ends tomorrow...
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Couldn't the red glow be sunburn?
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It is CLEAR...that you can also buy property on Mars - from the same people (dealers...who will tell you that your miserable 750mg order per week is a joke...as OBVIOUSLY Ronnie and Jay must take that in one day...or rather after every meal...Also, they will offer you two for one sale of the best real estate in just opened North Pole - right next to Santa...Gym membership included!)
Hurry up sale ends tomorrow...
I've heard from sources that say you're incorrect. You may have taken dosages like you say and recommend to others, but that doesn't mean a lot of the pros do the same.
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It is CLEAR...that you can also buy property on Mars - from the same people (dealers...who will tell you that your miserable 750mg order per week is a joke...as OBVIOUSLY Ronnie and Jay must take that in one day...or rather after every meal...Also, they will offer you two for one sale of the best real estate in just opened North Pole - right next to Santa...Gym membership included!)
Hurry up sale ends tomorrow...
With these mass monsters it's all about saturating the receptors day and night by taking as much test as the human body can handle. GH15's amounts of test will definitely do that... maybe a bit more than is needed, but it will definitely saturate the receptors all the time. Your usage was probably on the lower end of the spectrum.
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GH15's cycle is for people who look like this after 10 or 15 years of hardcore natural training.
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Damn, Matt for someone who doesn't use steriods...You sure are very pro steriod...It's only a matter of time before you start matt..Once you extablish a good source for the "sauce" there's going to be no looking back..
I am the most Über-Libertarian person you will meet in your entire life. I am highly pro-drug, more than almost anyone. But I'm one to never take a recreational drug, never drink a drop of alcohol, and never even eat a chocolate bar. I just have no desire to do it. I found the lifestyle that has made my body chemistry what I honestly think is the best a human is capable of achieving and it is 100% drug free and I doubt that will ever change.
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Low dosage Vs. High.
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It is CLEAR...that you can also buy property on Mars - from the same people (dealers...who will tell you that your miserable 750mg order per week is a joke...as OBVIOUSLY Ronnie and Jay must take that in one day...or rather after every meal...Also, they will offer you two for one sale of the best real estate in just opened North Pole - right next to Santa...Gym membership included!)
Hurry up sale ends tomorrow...
I bet you could sell Ice to the Eskimos :-X
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Low dosage Vs. High.
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Really? And we're all to presume you've got each and every one of those pros cycles written down for you to compare? Straight from them?
okey...bast the drug guru... ::)
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Like most topics, the truth is somewhere in between. No doubt some pros use relatively low amounts and others use so much that they are on the verge of death on the day of their contests. Also, as gh15 said, Milos may be influenced to withhold certain information due to political reasons.
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So the smaller steroid user has to be using less than a gram a week? ::) Thanks for your good facts ::)
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So the smaller steroid user has to be using less than a gram a week? ::) Thanks for your good facts ::)
Zane has documented what he took.. low amount of test. I'm speculating on Markus and Ronnie.
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Zane has documented what he took.. low amount of test. I'm speculating on Markus and Ronnie.
So since Zane wrote his cycle down, he's being 100% honest about it -- just like all the other pros who you're currently doubting.
Nice way to pick and choose whom to believe to strengthen your position.
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So since Zane wrote his cycle down, he's being 100% honest about it -- just like all the other pros who you're currently doubting.
Nice way to pick and choose whom to believe to strengthen your position.
Zane is 185lbs at best, Markus is over 100lbs bigger. You think they take the same amount? Are you retarded?
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Zane is 185lbs at best, Markus is over 100lbs bigger. You think they take the same amount? Are you retarded?
Who knows what they took? No one but them.
You act as an authority on the subject but you don't know your head from you ass.
Are you retarded?
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Who knows what they took? No one but them.
You act as an authority on the subject but you don't know your head from you ass.
Are you retarded?
I'm not an authority but I have read and heard from authorities on the subject, and if you just look at the two you can clearly tell there is more than a difference in genetics, dieting and training.
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I'm not an authority but I have read and heard from authorities on the subject, and if you just look at the two you can clearly tell there is more than a difference in genetics, dieting and training.
You heard shit from your authorities.
Yes there is a difference. Dosages? Maybe. I'd say rather than dosages, new technology.
But shut your dumb trap if you don't know for 100%...OR preface your comments with something like "it seems to me" or "in my opinion"...rather than "this is how it is" or "big man on the block told me this so I'm right and your wrong".
Otherwise you're worse than those who you are saying lied. You're the one spreading rumors and false information.
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You heard shit from your authorities.
Yes there is a difference. Dosages? Maybe. I'd say rather than dosages, new technology.
But shut your dumb trap if you don't know for 100%...OR preface your comments with something like "it seems to me" or "in my opinion"...rather than "this is how it is" or "big man on the block told me this so I'm right and your wrong".
Otherwise you're worse than those who you are saying lied. You're the one spreading rumors and false information.
I'm not saying anyone lied. How would Milos know what others take for sure?
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I am the most Über-Libertarian person you will meet in your entire life. I am highly pro-drug, more than almost anyone. But I'm one to never take a recreational drug, never drink a drop of alcohol, and never even eat a chocolate bar. I just have no desire to do it. I found the lifestyle that has made my body chemistry what I honestly think is the best a human is capable of achieving and it is 100% drug free and I doubt that will ever change.
I believed you up until you said you never ate a chocolate bar. :(
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You heard shit from your authorities.
Yes there is a difference. Dosages? Maybe. I'd say rather than dosages, new technology.
But shut your dumb trap if you don't know for 100%...OR preface your comments with something like "it seems to me" or "in my opinion"...rather than "this is how it is" or "big man on the block told me this so I'm right and your wrong".
Otherwise you're worse than those who you are saying lied. You're the one spreading rumors and false information.
IT SEEMS TO ME........
that this is a dumb topic to debate... since neither Milos of GH15 can be completely correct. I'm sure SOME pros follow the dosages Milos gives... while others follow dosages closer to those posted by GH15... and many follow dosages somewhere in the middle...
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I'm not saying anyone lied. How would Milos know what others take for sure?
Come on Garraeth these guys take obscene amount of juice and i bet the vast majority have a Doctor monitering there use as safely as possible.
Also what i said about Milos selling ice to the eskimoes is true.Maybe Milos hands are tied to the political bullshit of the IFBB that Mattc spoke about.
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Come on Garraeth these guys take obscene amount of juice and i bet the vast majority have a Doctor monitering there use as safely as possible.
Also what i said about Milos selling ice to the eskimoes is true.Maybe Milos hands are tied to the political bullshit of the IFBB that Mattc spoke about.
I really don't understand the chemistry of this more is better line of thought. There is a point of dimishing returns. Regardless of how much you've used in the past.
And I don't know if you're forgetting the ungodly amounts GH15 is proposing. It's not like double or triple some average stack. It's like 10x. That's where he's wrong and the insanity ensues.
And if you're dumb enough to have to use 10x to get any "benefits", you're on the verge of death anyhow. Same with a heroin addict whose been doing it for years -- they have to take mad amounts, and they've got one foot in the grave. If a pro does that, they end up like Kovacs -- quick to rise, quick to fall. People like Coleman, Cutler, etc have been around many, many years...in part, imo, because they are like the tortise -- slow and steady.
...or you've got such shit genetics, that ungodly amounts are the only thing that'll get you to grow -- like yourself. You might as well hang it up now if you've got to take 5g test/week.
...so GH15 advertising that his cycle is an average pro cycle is complete bullshit imo...
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HOLD UP GUYS!
We need someone we can trust to answer this question. Someone honest, reliable, a man who sticks what he believes is right even if others think he is wrong. A real straight shooter.
BOB CHIC! How much androgens did you use in your defeat victory over Rusty Jeffers at the Master's Olympia?
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I really don't understand the chemistry of this more is better line of thought. There is a point of dimishing returns. Regardless of how much you've used in the past.
And I don't know if you're forgetting the ungodly amounts GH15 is proposing. It's not like double or triple some average stack. It's like 10x. That's where he's wrong and the insanity ensues.
And if you're dumb enough to have to use 10x to get any "benefits", you're on the verge of death anyhow. Same with a heroin addict whose been doing it for years -- they have to take mad amounts, and they've got one foot in the grave. If a pro does that, they end up like Kovacs -- quick to rise, quick to fall. People like Coleman, Cutler, etc have been around many, many years...in part, imo, because they are like the tortise -- slow and steady.
...or you've got such shit genetics, that ungodly amounts are the only thing that'll get you to grow -- like yourself. You might as well hang it up now if you've got to take 5g test/week.
...so GH15 advertising that his cycle is an average pro cycle is complete bullshit imo...
The ungodly amounts turned me into Monster the lighter cycle turned me into a Greek Statue i really preffered my normal athletic look natural and i have good genetics like a 100 meter sprinter And i will remain natural unless some one sponsers me the money to take GH15 cycle with before and after pics with my doctor monitering.
Remember these huge amounts even with a Doctor supervising are Fraught with danger, i am not following GH15 blindfolded into the forest of peril i just find his demeanor and candor refreshing after the bullshit that you can be ripped on stage at 255 just on 750mg of Test and a gram of deca.
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Ok let's say GH15 is telling the truth. This would explain how Kevin Levrone could bounce back into Olympia say in 18 weeks right?
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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Yes I believe.
Most of big BBer blow up with not androgenic hormone but Insulin.
GH also dont make you big but makes you grany look.
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...so GH15 advertising that his cycle is an average pro cycle is complete bullshit imo...
So you don't think there is abuse of drugs in the pro ranks? What are all the previous Mr O's and other top pros talking about when they say the drugs use has gotten out of hand? If the top Olympia guys are only using about a gram total of AAS with only a couple of IU's of growth why all the talk about abuse? Hell, 2 units of growth is HRT level. Why have the physiques changed so much in the recent years? Is it only due to modest amounts of insulin post workout? If Milos is right then there is very little abuse in the pro ranks and then the concern about the athletes' health is unnecessary, since they are taking as little or less than the pros of the past decades.
I don't think all pros are doing what gh15 said but I'm certain many have pushed the limit drugwise.
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Yes I believe.
Most of big BBer blow up with not androgenic hormone but Insulin.
GH also dont make you big but makes you grany look.
ill bet the olympia that his blood preassure is normal
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He has that nice RED glow, a Heart Attack waiting to happen.Hes on everything.
are you implying that this monster is a "Walking Pharmacy", Doctor. ;D
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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Of course some take more then others but for the most part i believe Milo's is telling the truth atleast about himself and maybe a few others.
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Ok EVERYBODY LISTEN UP.....
You poeple are so naive its sad. Think for a second. Why would Milos come on here and tell you that pro's take less juice (in a few cases, it IS true). Maybe he actually cares, and doesnt want people to hurt themselves. When he sees someone gaining respect and giving advice like that, he knows dumb people who are wanna be pro's are going to try to follow it and hurt themselves. Of course hes not going to tel you to use high doses!
But if you think logically.... yea i guess bodybuilders evolved and got better genetics since the 80 ::) thats why they are stepping on stage at 50-60lbs+ heavier... their dedication is better and they train harder.... right ::) and thats why people are turning pro and THEN add 20-30lbs to their stage weight... because NOW they are responding to training and diet and drugs cuz they didnt really try as hard or have that great of help until then.... right ::)
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Ok EVERYBODY LISTEN UP.....
You poeple are so naive its sad. Think for a second. Why would Milos come on here and tell you that pro's take less juice (in a few cases, it IS true). Maybe he actually cares, and doesnt want people to hurt themselves. When he sees someone gaining respect and giving advice like that, he knows dumb people who are wanna be pro's are going to try to follow it and hurt themselves. Of course hes not going to tel you to use high doses!
But if you think logically.... yea i guess bodybuilders evolved and got better genetics since the 80 ::) thats why they are stepping on stage at 50-60lbs+ heavier... their dedication is better and they train harder.... right ::) and thats why people are turning pro and THEN add 20-30lbs to their stage weight... because NOW they are responding to training and diet and drugs cuz they didnt really try as hard or have that great of help until then.... right ::)
These guys thinking what he said is true, are really naive. I can't believe people would belive that. Guys Ronnie, Jay, Ruhl, etc.. = at least 2-3 grams of test a week.
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are you implying that this monster is a "Walking Pharmacy", Doctor. ;D
Maybe the intense workout made him red with gorging of blood and he is just pumped.
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These guys thinking what he said is true, are really naive. I can't believe people would belive that. Guys Ronnie, Jay, Ruhl, etc.. = at least 2-3 grams of test a week.
Ronnie i have good reference that he does, Ruhl iv HEARD does, and Cutler i have no clue (i dont think anybody does). But they did get a video capture on Cutlers video of like 6 different vials in his fridge
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Milos might be right about the Test dosages but he's probably neglecting to mention the 15-20 other goodies that the pros take on top of it.
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Ok EVERYBODY LISTEN UP.....
You poeple are so naive its sad. Think for a second. Why would Milos come on here and tell you that pro's take less juice (in a few cases, it IS true). Maybe he actually cares, and doesnt want people to hurt themselves. When he sees someone gaining respect and giving advice like that, he knows dumb people who are wanna be pro's are going to try to follow it and hurt themselves. Of course hes not going to tel you to use high doses!
But if you think logically.... yea i guess bodybuilders evolved and got better genetics since the 80 ::) thats why they are stepping on stage at 50-60lbs+ heavier... their dedication is better and they train harder.... right ::) and thats why people are turning pro and THEN add 20-30lbs to their stage weight... because NOW they are responding to training and diet and drugs cuz they didnt really try as hard or have that great of help until then.... right ::)
Have you competed? How many juicers do you know?Maybe no one...
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Zane is 185lbs at best, Markus is over 100lbs bigger. You think they take the same amount? Are you retarded?
Markus was probably bigger than 185 before he even lifted a weight. Pick a better comparison for Zane, an aesthetic guy, or compare a freak of the 70-80's to Ruhl, like Tim Belknap.
Not that I disagree with you though. I think 2-3 grams is fairly common amongst pro's. Probably not 6+ though.
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Milos might be right about the Test dosages but he's probably neglecting to mention the 15-20 other goodies that the pros take on top of it.
Thats true.
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Also, they will offer you two for one sale of the best real estate in just opened North Pole - right next to Santa...Gym membership included!)
Hurry up sale ends tomorrow...
Just opened, yeah right. They can try. I am not selling a goddamn square inch.
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GH15's cycle is for people who look like this after 10 or 15 years of hardcore natural training.
HOLY SHITT! THATS F'ING DISCUSTING!! A skeleton with breast implants yikes!
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Zane is 185lbs at best, Markus is over 100lbs bigger. You think they take the same amount? Are you retarded?
hahaha I agree, but you have to also factor in the other GRAMS of other anabolics that Ruhl takes also than Zane did.
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milos is in the business of selling his supplements and training.
he is presenting his bbers as evidence of their effectiveness.
the last thing in the world he wants people to think is that the reason his bbers look the way they do has less to do with what he's selling and more to do with the fact that they are walking pharmacies that need to hook up with drug dealers all day while their asses serve as pin cushions.
you see, there is no money to be made in telling the truth (as if he gives a fuck about your health lmfao). supplement manufacturers have known that for years. how do you think the weiders became billionaires? by doing exactly the same thing as milos ie propping up drug using bbers as 'evidence' of his supplements' and training effectiveness.
THE TRUTH! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
potential customers are going to make like donovan bailey if they knew the truth ie that to look like a pro bber you need to become a criminal and hook up with drug dealers before running home to inject all manner of drugs into your system with no idea what they might do to your health.
yes, milos wants you to think all you need to do is basically eat over priced sugars during and post workout as if that is going to have an effect anywhere near pharma grade insulin injections. there is a reason why diabetics have to inject insulin people. it's called the digestive system.
of course milos knows this very well, as weider did, cell tech and any other supplement company. if he didn't why wouldn't he just tell all the bbers that they don't need to take insulin drugs anymore, just use his ...ahem...dextrose and maltodex along with some whey isolate, because they would laugh their asses off right in his face, or quietly but quickly walk away, far away.
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of course milos knows this very well, as weider did, cell tech and any other supplement company. if he didn't why wouldn't he just tell all the bbers that they don't need to take insulin drugs anymore, just use his ...ahem...dextrose and maltodex along with some whey isolate, because they would laugh their asses off right in his face, or quietly but quickly walk away, far away.
Exactly. Funny how he said, on PBW, that his shakes alone could add 30-40lbs on a bodybuilder. No mention of the Humalog. Milos is losing credibility fast.
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Markus was probably bigger than 185 before he even lifted a weight. Pick a better comparison for Zane, an aesthetic guy, or compare a freak of the 70-80's to Ruhl, like Tim Belknap.
Belknap was actually one of the first guy to use insulin. He was diabetic so he knew how to use it and what it did. He also learned and taught others how to use it to gain size.
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milos is in the business of selling his supplements and training.
he is presenting his bbers as evidence of their effectiveness.
the last thing in the world he wants people to think is that the reason his bbers look the way they do has less to do with what he's selling and more to do with the fact that they are walking pharmacies that need to hook up with drug dealers all day while their asses serve as pin cushions.
you see, there is no money to be made in telling the truth (as if he gives a fuck about your health lmfao). supplement manufacturers have known that for years. how do you think the weiders became billionaires? by doing exactly the same thing as milos ie propping up drug using bbers as 'evidence' of his supplements' and training effectiveness.
THE TRUTH! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
potential customers are going to make like donovan bailey if they knew the truth ie that to look like a pro bber you need to become a criminal and hook up with drug dealers before running home to inject all manner of drugs into your system with no idea what they might do to your health.
yes, milos wants you to think all you need to do is basically eat over priced sugars during and post workout as if that is going to have an effect anywhere near pharma grade insulin injections. there is a reason why diabetics have to inject insulin people. it's called the digestive system.
of course milos knows this very well, as weider did, cell tech and any other supplement company. if he didn't why wouldn't he just tell all the bbers that they don't need to take insulin drugs anymore, just use his ...ahem...dextrose and maltodex along with some whey isolate, because they would laugh their asses off right in his face, or quietly but quickly walk away, far away.
BEAST very good post.
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Hey, Milos. can I order some goodies from you.. ;D ;D
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milos is in the business of selling his supplements and training.
he is presenting his bbers as evidence of their effectiveness.
the last thing in the world he wants people to think is that the reason his bbers look the way they do has less to do with what he's selling and more to do with the fact that they are walking pharmacies that need to hook up with drug dealers all day while their asses serve as pin cushions.
you see, there is no money to be made in telling the truth (as if he gives a fuck about your health lmfao). supplement manufacturers have known that for years. how do you think the weiders became billionaires? by doing exactly the same thing as milos ie propping up drug using bbers as 'evidence' of his supplements' and training effectiveness.
THE TRUTH! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
potential customers are going to make like donovan bailey if they knew the truth ie that to look like a pro bber you need to become a criminal and hook up with drug dealers before running home to inject all manner of drugs into your system with no idea what they might do to your health.
yes, milos wants you to think all you need to do is basically eat over priced sugars during and post workout as if that is going to have an effect anywhere near pharma grade insulin injections. there is a reason why diabetics have to inject insulin people. it's called the digestive system.
of course milos knows this very well, as weider did, cell tech and any other supplement company. if he didn't why wouldn't he just tell all the bbers that they don't need to take insulin drugs anymore, just use his ...ahem...dextrose and maltodex along with some whey isolate, because they would laugh their asses off right in his face, or quietly but quickly walk away, far away.
very good post.
what was it gh15 said. "its all about putting food one the table" ;)
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Exactly. Funny how he said, on PBW, that his shakes alone could add 30-40lbs on a bodybuilder. No mention of the Humalog. Milos is losing credibility fast.
True. There is a fine line in this instance and I think Milos crossed it. It's kind of hard to trust someone who said a simple shake can result in steroid like gains.
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True. There is a fine line in this instance and I think Milos crossed it. It's kind of hard to trust someone who said a simple shake can result in steroid like gains.
yes but can you imagine how much his sales goes up saying something like that :D
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very good post.
what was it gh15 said. "its all about putting food one the table" ;)
there's somewhat of an irony in that statement in that what people need to remember when it comes to these supplements is that all they actually are is food, and not even whole food at that ie they are supplements.
i think sometimes, with all the fan fare and molecule breakdown that these companies put on their labels people forget that simple fact.
the intention is obviously to mesmerise and, seeing as it's a thriving billion dollar industry, a lot of people are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
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Do you guys really think this guys just taking less than a gram of test a week?
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All niacin.
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yes but can you imagine how much his sales goes up saying something like that :D
True, and I probably would have believed it when I first started out. I'm sure the shake couldn't hurt.
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Markus was probably bigger than 185 before he even lifted a weight.
no he was skinny. there were pics posted of him as a teen.
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no he was skinny. there were pics posted of him as a teen.
http://markus-ruehl.de/biographie.html?&L=1
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True, and I probably would have believed it when I first started out. I'm sure the shake couldn't hurt.
no it won't hurt.
in fact, at 25grams of carbs and protein a serve it won't do a damned thing.
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Exactly. Funny how he said, on PBW, that his shakes alone could add 30-40lbs on a bodybuilder. No mention of the Humalog. Milos is losing credibility fast.
LOL. Yea if they drank 7-10 a day, and that 30-40lbs would be fat. ;D
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Milos might be right about the Test dosages but he's probably neglecting to mention the 15-20 other goodies that the pros take on top of it.
Exactly
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Im not going to waste my time trying to relay something when people believe what they want to believe anyway.
you will be missed ::)
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Really? And we're all to presume you've got each and every one of those pros cycles written down for you to compare? Straight from them?
okey...bast the drug guru... ::)
Milos' lapdog.. :o
Anyways, they probably take 1 gram with a shitload of other hormones.
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I cannot agree more with Milos on what he has said here.
During the 90's i interviewed a great many of top bodybuilders and took in a wealth of information...for the magazine I put out during that time. Some of it on record and most of it off record. The most abusive bodybuilder Ive ever seen was a pro who never competed over 242lbs and he far exceeded anything Milos said but he was absolutely positively not the norm and shouldnt be used as the medium. The norm is/was as Milos has stated. I collected information on 2 Mr Olympias (via longtime training partner, + trainer) and a slew of other top amateurs (who are now pro) and pro's. Right from the horses mouth so to speak.
Heres the problem. This board is all about conspiracy theories and if its not outrageous enough and so far beyond what "you are doing" then it doesnt fit right in your mind and you dont believe it. Somehow it never registers with people that the current MR olympia was competing as a heavyweight and winning nationally on the teen level roughly 18 plus months after he started training. You juicers on this board?...were you a heavyweight competing and winning nationally 18 months later? Why not? Could it maybe be about genetics after all?
I was going to go into some pretty distinct detail with this post but I am seeing Milos being called a bullshit artist here and that he has ulterior motives in all this...and Im just sitting here shaking my head. Do you think he really cares about anything on this subject other than some kid getting misinformation in his head and doing something that could be detrimental to that kid healthwise? So Im going to see how this thread plays out and if I see fit, Im going to go into some detail here as Ive come to know it. But if people keep yelling "bullshit" even when certain people are trying to inform you to the truth(milos etc) Im not going to waste my time trying to relay something when people believe what they want to believe anyway.
so, what you're saying dante is that you have taken the time to post a whole of words about nothing, but you may post something if everyone behaves.
lmao...go fuck yourself you lying sack of shit.
any credibility you may have had was shot to shit right about the time you backed mr castleberry (or whetever that punk's name is) and his ridiculous bench pressing claims and natural status (apparently everyone that trains with dante is natural ::)).
that wasn't enough though.
then you came on this site attempting to threaten everyone whilst using a gimmick because you didn't have the balls to do it yourself.
so, if you don't mind, i'll take whatever you say with a pinch of salt. ;D
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I cannot agree more with Milos on what he has said here.
During the 90's i interviewed a great many of top bodybuilders and took in a wealth of information...for the magazine I put out during that time. Some of it on record and most of it off record. The most abusive bodybuilder Ive ever seen was a pro who never competed over 242lbs and he far exceeded anything Milos said but he was absolutely positively not the norm and shouldnt be used as the medium. The norm is/was as Milos has stated. I collected information on 2 Mr Olympias (via longtime training partner, + trainer) and a slew of other top amateurs (who are now pro) and pro's. Right from the horses mouth so to speak.
Heres the problem. This board is all about conspiracy theories and if its not outrageous enough and so far beyond what "you are doing" then it doesnt fit right in your mind and you dont believe it. Somehow it never registers with people that the current MR olympia was competing as a heavyweight and winning nationally on the teen level roughly 18 plus months after he started training. You juicers on this board?...were you a heavyweight competing and winning nationally 18 months later? Why not? Could it maybe be about genetics after all?
I was going to go into some pretty distinct detail with this post but I am seeing Milos being called a bullshit artist here and that he has ulterior motives in all this...and Im just sitting here shaking my head. Do you think he really cares about anything on this subject other than some kid getting misinformation in his head and doing something that could be detrimental to that kid healthwise? So Im going to see how this thread plays out and if I see fit, Im going to go into some detail here as Ive come to know it. But if people keep yelling "bullshit" even when certain people are trying to inform you to the truth(milos etc) Im not going to waste my time trying to relay something when people believe what they want to believe anyway.
Don't understand why you guys are so full of shit? Everyone knows dude. It's not a "conspiracy theory" whatsoever. Ronnie, Jay,Ruhl, Dennis James, are doing at least 2grams a week of test, along with lots of GH, and many many other drugs. No sense in arguing this, it's known.
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any credibility you may have had was shot to shit right about the time you backed mr castleberry (or whetever that punk's name is) and his ridiculous bench pressing claims and natural status (apparently everyone that trains with dante is natural ::)).
that wasn't enough though.
then you came on this site attempting to threaten everyone whilst using a gimmick because you didn't have the balls to do it yourself.
so, if you don't mind, i'll take whatever you say with a pinch of salt. ;D
a)Actually I dont know Brad well but I back him 1000 % not because I believe in him in any way but just because it gets you so incensed that you cant sleep at night which is pure comedy to me.
b)Gimmick? I post under Doggcrapp bro. Heres an easy 1000 for you. Why dont you ever take me up on these 1000 dollar bets anyway? You are so sure of yourself and then I offer you 1000 dollars and all I hear are crickets. Go have Hedgehog or whoever moderator look up my IP address on the Castleberry thread and also the guy you say I was on there (I dont even know what the heck screen name you are claiming is me)--if they match, Ill give you 1000 dollars. (I expect to hear nothing from this like usual....because of course then Beast is once again proven wrong and that sucks doesnt it)
c) "so, if you don't mind, i'll take whatever you say with a pinch of salt." = No problem, Maxxx, xfactor and you dont want to hear it....no worries, Ill delete my post above and let Milos comment instead. Im not here to try to convince people that have their mind made up anyway.
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See, i would like this to be opened up and honest a little more. Yes there are a lot of pro's that dont abuse steroids, but there is equal amount that DO. Iv made comments quite a few times on here that NOBODY cared to comment on. I have a tad bit of inside info, just like a few others on here, but guess what... i HAVE heard about big bumping of doses that = astounding improvements.... so WHY does everyone keep coming on here and claiming that it DOESNT happen? That is what i do not get. Be honest on both sides of the spectrum.
What i KEEP saying is.....
You see people turn pro after years of training and juiceing etc... then all of a sudden gain ANOTHER 20-30lbs to their stage weight. YEA.. they just got better help, ate better and trained harder. Give me a break ::). Now i am by NO means challanging Milos, as i believe he is one of the best trainers/guru's a bodybuilder could have... but i do believe he is as good with drugs(combinations, timing, etc..) as he is with everything else.... all of it adds up, not just one aspect.
And to put this to rest..... I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN BEFORE MY EYES VERY GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE (two people)................... say fuck it, bump their doses into the 3g range, and watched before my eyes with NO other changes in diet, training (except strength gains), etc... their muscle mass skyrocket. So dont tell me it doesnt happen. Iv WATCHED it. Now why havent i done it myself? I feel like it kinda cheapens it and is less respectable... along with the fact that i REFUSE to compromise my health, as i KNOW those doses do.... plus i hate the maniac i become with high androgens (very short temper).
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a)Actually I dont know Brad well but I back him 1000 % not because I believe in him in any way but just because it gets you so incensed that you cant sleep at night which is pure comedy to me.
b)Gimmick? I post under Doggcrapp bro. Heres an easy 1000 for you. Why dont you ever take me up on these 1000 dollar bets anyway? You are so sure of yourself and then I offer you 1000 dollars and all I hear are crickets. Go have Hedgehog or whoever moderator look up my IP address on the Castleberry thread and also the guy you say I was on there (I dont even know what the heck screen name you are claiming is me)--if they match, Ill give you 1000 dollars. (I expect to hear nothing from this like usual....because of course then Beast is once again proven wrong and that sucks doesnt it)
c) "so, if you don't mind, i'll take whatever you say with a pinch of salt." = No problem, Maxxx, xfactor and you dont want to hear it....no worries, Ill delete my post above and let Milos comment instead. Im not here to try to convince people that have their mind made up anyway.
a/ you backed him up on that thread because you thought people would fall for your lies. are you actually trying to back pedal now? hahaha, now that's amusing.
b/ you used a gimmick imabadman on another thread, threatening to track down people's ip addresses. when everyone called you on it imabadman was never heard from again. your typing style, grammar, threats and timing (logging off and on) were all the same.
c/ good, fuck off you fat fuck.
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b/ you used a gimmick imabadman on another thread, threatening to track down people's ip addresses. when everyone called you on it imabadman was never heard from again. your typing style, grammar, threats and timing (logging off and on) were all the same.
Ouch. Dante you look real bad here.
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a/ you backed him up on that thread because you thought people would fall for your lies. are you actually trying to back pedal now? hahaha, now that's amusing.
b/ you used a gimmick imabadman on another thread, threatening to track down people's ip addresses. when everyone called you on it imabadman was never heard from again. your typing style, grammar, threats and timing (logging off and on) were all the same.
c/ good, fuck off you fat fuck.
You are an idiot. I am good friends with Jason (iabadman). Him and Dante are NOT the same person. Go to professionalmuscle and check if you dont believe me. Oh wait... i am one of DC's gimmicks too arent i? (or so iv been accused)
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Iamabadman and I have been to the pro ironman together, actually got in trouble once together, wonder how I pulled that one off? Except he lives in Northern Cali I live in San Diego, he is much better looking and has rolled with "who's who" in the MMA industry. I must be Chris Angel, I need to take this cloning act on the road. I'm sorry you dont know who Imabadman is....which is all the more reason you might want to get off this board from time to time. He is pretty well known (and your looking really stupid right now).
Go to professional muscle where he is very well known by many in person and online and open up the subject "Are Doggcrapp and imabadman the same person?" Lets see the response you get. Another 1000 dollars to you if we are the same guy. Cmon man, take me up on some of these bets and make me eat crow....you know you want to...I dare you. 1000 paypalled right over to you if we are the same guy. If i am wrong you dont need to pay me anything. What is there to lose? (except another one of these bets you flunk out on every time)
Whats the next conspiracy theory you got for me? Was I on the grassy knoll?
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ahahaha I love it when Doggcrapp shuts people up by offering $1000 to prove shit.
ta ta
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And to put this to rest..... I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN BEFORE MY EYES VERY GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE (two people)...................[/b] say fuck it, bump their doses into the 3g range, and watched before my eyes with NO other changes in diet, training (except strength gains), etc... their muscle mass skyrocket. So dont tell me it doesnt happen. Iv WATCHED it. Now why havent i done it myself? I feel like it kinda cheapens it and is less respectable... along with the fact that i REFUSE to compromise my health, as i KNOW those doses do.... plus i hate the maniac i become with high androgens (very short temper).
Classic.....To quote yourself you say you "hate the maniac you become with high androgens".
I've read your posts on promuscle and now here as well rambling on w/your rant regarding this topic which I personally think is dead about now. But yet I cant help but notice that w/your above quote in time you will throw in the towell young luke and you will try your best to "manage" the mania within and bump things up. You will grow tired of exauhsting your own genetic limitations to roam the earth w/said uber mass.
You guys kill me. You have those that hardly train and jump in at the drop of a hat. Then there are those like yourself that know what those dosages will do and want nothing more than to "go for it" but hold off just to save face on a net board of all places.
TP4U, your fighting the wrong battle son. Get in the game or get out. Lots of guys achieve the "just above swimmers build" at the gym w/or w/out hormones.
Do you want to wease like Markus and Ronnie or not????
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Classic.....To quote yourself you say you "hate the maniac you become with high androgens".
I've read your posts on promuscle and now here as well rambling on w/your rant regarding this topic which I personally think is dead about now. But yet I cant help but notice that w/your above quote in time you will throw in the towell young luke and you will try your best to "manage" the mania within and bump things up. You will grow tired of exauhsting your own genetic limitations to roam the earth w/said uber mass.
You guys kill me. You have those that hardly train and jump in at the drop of a hat. Then there are those like yourself that know what those dosages will do and want nothing more than to "go for it" but hold off just to save face on a net board of all places.
TP4U, your fighting the wrong battle son. Get in the game or get out. Lots of guys achieve the "just above swimmers build" at the gym w/or w/out hormones.
Do you want to wease like Markus and Ronnie or not????
TO answer your question.. i want to get as big as possible WITHOUT compromising my health or ability to have children or produce testosterone on my own. Will i ever be 240 on stage? Probably not. Could i if i used insane doses? Possibly? Am i going to try? Not with high doses, nope. Im not trying to "save face' im trying to do this as healthy as is possible (yes i know steroids arent very healthy, but in low doses they arent so bad). Chill the fawk out dude, im just tryin to point out a few trueisms on this debate, even though i know there is going to be at least one dumbass who reads this and bumps his doses. He will probably grow a lot more than normal, and yep, probably get nose bleeds, sweat alot, have a hard time tieing his shoes, feel like garbage, get bloated... but hey at least hel be huge right?
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Iamabadman and I have been to the pro ironman together, actually got in trouble once together, wonder how I pulled that one off? Except he lives in Northern Cali I live in San Diego, he is much better looking and has rolled with "who's who" in the MMA industry. I must be Chris Angel, I need to take this cloning act on the road. I'm sorry you dont know who Imabadman is....which is all the more reason you might want to get off this board from time to time. He is pretty well known (and your looking really stupid right now).
Go to professional muscle where he is very well known by many in person and online and open up the subject "Are Doggcrapp and imabadman the same person?" Lets see the response you get. Another 1000 dollars to you if we are the same guy. Cmon man, take me up on some of these bets and make me eat crow....you know you want to...I dare you. 1000 paypalled right over to you if we are the same guy. If i am wrong you dont need to pay me anything. What is there to lose? (except another one of these bets you flunk out on every time)
Whats the next conspiracy theory you got for me? Was I on the grassy knoll?
I have personally abused drugs i was niave and stupid with the risks i took as you can see in previous threads and nearly killed myself but i put on 15 lean pounds with a gram of Test then i decided to stack it with 2000mg of Deca a week and then to make things more interesting i added about 1500mg of oral(yes i know deathwish)but guess what i put on over 55 pounds of lean muscle.I had so much gear at my disposal how Australian Customs did not pick it up is beyond me there the toughest in the world for illicit drugs.I was on straight for over a year till BINGO i started to piss blood my liver nearly disolved and tumors my testicles were the size of nuts.The doctor told me straight had i properly injected other hormones i would have been okay he just said the orals were to toxic for my liver.
I am now clean Healthy for 2 years and will never touch another performace ehancing drug ever again but please explain to me if i only cycled for 3 months the doctor said i would not have had these medical problem.The problem with your argument is i put on 55 pounds of lean mass in 3 months.
The three amigos i talk about are checked weekly with blood and urine tests and the shit they are taking is very similiar to GH15 cycle the gifted one is close to 300 pounds at no more than 10%bodyfat I Should have mentioned in the original post he is about 6,5.I do not understand the reluctance to tell the truth of a PROS Stack.I am totally fucking bewildered.
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TO answer your question.. i want to get as big as possible WITHOUT compromising my health or ability to have children or produce testosterone on my own. Will i ever be 240 on stage? Probably not. Could i if i used insane doses? Possibly? Am i going to try? Not with high doses, nope. Im not trying to "save face' im trying to do this as healthy as is possible (yes i know steroids arent very healthy, but in low doses they arent so bad). Chill the fawk out dude, im just tryin to point out a few trueisms on this debate, even though i know there is going to be at least one dumbass who reads this and bumps his doses. He will probably grow a lot more than normal, and yep, probably get nose bleeds, sweat alot, have a hard time tieing his shoes, feel like garbage, get bloated... but hey at least hel be huge right?
Aren't you the guy who said you wouldn't do another cycle without at least a gram of test in it? So you are already, at your young age, doing more shit than several Mr O winners and top placing pros. You have already done GH, and IGF-1 too if I remember correctly. Have you done insulin? Milos has stated that he won't do IGF-1 because he is afraid of it. Kamali said it's poison and predicted athletes would die from it soon. So you are already abusing drugs if we go by what many consider sane use, Milos included.
I have no problem with your use, I don't see a problem with it if that's what you want to do. But rest assured, what you are doing drug wise is abuse according to a lot of folks in this sport.
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I cannot agree more with Milos on what he has said here.
During the 90's i interviewed a great many of top bodybuilders and took in a wealth of information...for the magazine I put out during that time. Some of it on record and most of it off record. The most abusive bodybuilder Ive ever seen was a pro who never competed over 242lbs and he far exceeded anything Milos said but he was absolutely positively not the norm and shouldnt be used as the medium. The norm is/was as Milos has stated. I collected information on 2 Mr Olympias (via longtime training partner, + trainer) and a slew of other top amateurs (who are now pro) and pro's. Right from the horses mouth so to speak.
Heres the problem. This board is all about conspiracy theories and if its not outrageous enough and so far beyond what "you are doing" then it doesnt fit right in your mind and you dont believe it. Somehow it never registers with people that the current MR olympia was competing as a heavyweight and winning nationally on the teen level roughly 18 plus months after he started training. You juicers on this board?...were you a heavyweight competing and winning nationally 18 months later? Why not? Could it maybe be about genetics after all?
I was going to go into some pretty distinct detail with this post but I am seeing Milos being called a bullshit artist here and that he has ulterior motives in all this...and Im just sitting here shaking my head. Do you think he really cares about anything on this subject other than some kid getting misinformation in his head and doing something that could be detrimental to that kid healthwise? So Im going to see how this thread plays out and if I see fit, Im going to go into some detail here as Ive come to know it. But if people keep yelling "bullshit" even when certain people are trying to inform you to the truth(milos etc) Im not going to waste my time trying to relay something when people believe what they want to believe anyway.
Dante, do you think athletes like Cutler and Coleman are off AT LEAST half as long as they were on and that they don't cycle longer than 12 weeks at a pop like Milos said? Do you think the top guys in the Olympia only use 2-6IU of growth? Do you think the size increase in the pros is solely due to the insulin at 5-40IU/day like Milos claims? Do you really think that Coleman and Cutler haven't ever gone beyond 1 gram of test or 2 grams total of AAS? Didn't you recently say on promuscle that some top pros were doing outrageously high insulin dosages. I assume the dosages were a bit more than what Milos said?
IMO, the changes in facial shape we see on many pros indicate that they use a bit more than 2-6IU of growth. Like Disgusted has said, he knows top pros who have done 18IU of growth and stuff like that. I particularly don't buy the miniscule GH doses.
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Hey Beast ,I won't get into a pissing match with you or start disrespecting you either[like you like to do for some reason I don't understand ]. But you are incorrect about a couple things, and I would like you to go back and please see where .First , I never made any threats here .Something I had done long ago was brought up by another board member [ a friend of mine coming to my defense [TP4U]....... I wish he hadn't mentioned anything , but appreciate his loyality ] and Dante spoke up I believe and just said I was for real .[ that was all .......again I wish nothing had been mentioned . I know better than to come on getbig and try to be a bad ass ......you will get slammed from all angles and frankly ,not my idea of a good time] Second , have a mod check the ip 's[ although my ip is buffered [computer guys will know what this means ,maybe under a different term] abit if you know what that means .....but the general area is correct ......he and I are 600 miles apart ] I have known Dante since 93 . He as good a person as you would hope to find.[why does everyone attack the guy here ?] He generally loves to help people and has a true passion for bbing. [ he is the kind of guy that will help you if you get a flat , buy a homless guy a meal , or help out a lost dog in traffic in a rain strom ] The fact that you would think a grown man would create a fake account and threaten folks makes me think you must be a young guy. But I assure you, I am not Dante .........I stopped posting here ......simple ....because everythime I do someone has something smart ass to say or attacks it . I like this board .It is entertaining [some good people here as well ]. But I am not here to be a tough guy , throw insults /smart ass remarks , to make other people feel bad , or even to aurgue. When I come to a board .I choose to learn , share , and support . That is why I post at another board .But you are surely wrong on both subjects and should be a man enough to admit so .Maybe even appoligize?
Also guys , why do you guys care what so and so takes ? [most of you don't want to go to that extreme anyway ....right ?]How does their gear use matter to you then? Do you really want to justify to yourselves that you are not Jay or Ronnie just because you don't take 3 grams of gear a week ? If so , then why not try it and see what happens ? If you want to see what your genes hold for you . Simple . Do everything right for a couple of years .[ diet perfect for your goals,heavy basic progressive training ,lots of good sleep /rest .......and I mean perfect......not half assed ] Then see if you enjoy the sport as much as when you first started your quest. If you have any genetics at all [and did things right ],you should have built a pretty darn good physique by then totally drug free . From there ,decide what makes sense . Can you justify risking your health, freedom ,and spending the money to pursue the competive physique? If you can , then go forward .This is your choice to make as a man . But once you add gear it is a very hard step backwards [take it from someone that knows this personally]
If you do you use gear ,sure it should be a progessive type type venture and it will be. Your first cycle [if done right will yield your most gains, then after you will be chasing those gains for as long as you use gear. Kind of like a crack addict chases that first high for as they are using] I understand why a competitor like TP4U would want to know exact proticals and such to keep informed with the jones so to speak . But understand , gear use is a very individual thing and response differs greatly . The more you take the more sides you have to counter .I tend to have to agree with Milos here [and Dante ] .Think about it logically. Ronnie could not possibly had the long carreer that he has had if he had been pushing the evelope this whole time .No freaking way !!! Same with any of these guys ,like Milos . No way . But look at guys that crash and burn from Europe and South America . They clearly aren't taking their time progressively getting better and getting a good natural base . Many are just plain getting obsessive and pushing the evelope because drugs are relatively cheap /legal in their respective countries and they love the attention they get from being a freak .
The sport lost it's virtue when it started acting like a sport ,instead an expression of health and art . In sports poeple play to win . It is about pushing the evelope .It is about getting bigger and better . Good guys simply play the game smart from the get go . Start with a cycle of 250 - 500mgs of test.........then maybe add 200 mgs of eq or deca to that the next time ........then bump the dosages a little ......then maybe add an oral to that ......when you get to 1000- 1500mgs of total gear a week ......add gh .........after a year or so of that maybe add some insulin ...........another year add igf-1 or up the dosage ..then try some site inject or synthol for weak bps.......Do see what I am saying ? If you want a career like Shawn or Milos it is about using the drugs as a tool and slow steady progression. Your body will tell you when it has had enough [ kind of like what is happening to Branch , Ruel , and Ronnie now ] Drugs are a tool , not the means to an end . The guys that see it the other way around are in for a rude awakening.[many gym/internet bbers /pro wresterlers have this short lived expensive type thought process and pay a price in the long or the short run for it .If drugs are your answer you will not ever carry a nice healthy physique throughout the duration of your life......and shouldnt that be the whole idea weither you compete or not ?]
My final words on this subject , are this . In my expirience I wish I hadnt gone down that road , but I am far from anti drug. [and I would never think to put someone down for making that choice ] The sport is no different from society .There are many fucked up people involved in it for the wrong reasons. [ lots of selfish insecure people that are drawn to the bbing lifestyle] You aren't not going to get many straight answers on this subject ,although I honestly have tried . Dante and Milos are being pretty honest from all that I have seen . Why you guys are confused is because of all the lies and bs that is out there on the net now .[ nothing is ever explained either .......read in Flex that a guy does 20 sets for his arms now ......but what you don't see is when he put on nearly all his size on he was doing only 6 sets ,same goes with drug use ] The guys you see that shrink so bad ,quit training period , eat like shit , and probably didnt achieve a good natural base before using gear...........gear is a huge part of the look that is in today ......no doubt .....but the guys that did it right and the longest use drugs as a tool and not a means to the end .....there aren't any real secrets to the equation. Most of the guys here are pretty smart sift though the bs and make intelligent choices for yourself .Worrying about anyone else is not going help you or do you any good anyway .............
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Thats on the longest posts ever, congratulations.
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A pro abusing drugs isn't going to admit to it. Even to another pro they'll downplay what they're taking.
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Ronnie could not possibly had the long carreer that he has had if he had been pushing the evelope this whole time .No freaking way !!! Same with any of these guys ,like Milos . No way . But look at guys that crash and burn from Europe and South America . They clearly aren't taking their time progressively getting better and getting a good natural base . Many are just plain getting obsessive and pushing the evelope because drugs are relatively cheap /legal in their respective countries and they love the attention they get from being a freak .
Do you think Cutler and Ronnie never went beyond 2-6 IU of growth? I have seen you mention how Jay's face has grown dramatically. You have said he had huge hands as well, and that it was from GH abuse. Do you really think that is from that low a dose of GH, as Milos said?
If you were to guess, do you think they are off drugs completely half the time? Do you think they never went beyond 1000mg of test?
Dante says Milos is right but Dante used to write about how the pros never went off completely. Dante talked about blasting and cruising the drugs and never going off completely but using clomid etc with a low dose of test. Now Dante seems to say the top guys are off almost half the time. I don't buy it, as guys like Cutler have guest posings throughout the year and are constantly maintain a high bodyweight and very low BF.
Milos says he was off AT LEAST half the time but he used to compete in every show and was always in shape. I don't buy it.
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Van .....all good questions . I think guys all that progress gradually and intelligently can have long careers .But I do think the top of the Food chain eventually get eatten up by the sport aspect of it .It almost becomes a business decision for a guy like Ronnie , Jay , or Chris . [ All three are complete genetic freaks period end of story] But for them ,it was stay safe and stick with what has already been mentioned and keep placing lower or push things more extreme and win shows[they knew they had the genes to give the judges want they wanted .99.9% don't reguardless of ammount of gear taken and they knew it ] .........they had the ability ......and it made sense financially,so they made the choice do it .And honestly it worked out for them all pretty well .........but if they die at 50 is really a good choice in the end ? Only they will be able to answer that ]
I think Jay and Ronnie look Horrible to be honest. Even Chris 's beautiful shape is starting to go. And all 3 have ruined their faces with drugs in the last maybe 4 yrs [ although Ronnie stated pushing things in 95 or so Chris in 96 or 97 .......and jay at maybe 2000] The Jaw and head shapes change [as well as hand and foot size ]with continued use at 10-12 ius over a few yrs time ] So that answers those questions. Do I think these guys are taking a gram of test a week ? I dont know........maybe ? some guys love test .......some guys dont do well with alot of it........I think jay from looking some of his past diets[ drinking stuff like coke and gatorade ] is a big friend of insulin IMO. Like I said they most likely don't use anything crazy dose wise .They just upped their atty with the GH and insulin in a big time way and honestly they reaped the rewards for what choices they have made,but they already have paid a huge price [ their looks are gone,and shapes are destroyed . Well , Chris still has his to an extent] . I put on 20 solid lbs playing with Insulin back in my time it is the most anabolic hormone there is ]. Do they come off ? Drugs yes .......but I think alot keep a base of test in there to not totally go catabolic .......but I dont think they ever go off the gh [maybe vary the dose some ] and insulin just depends on the guy. Drug free guys say they are clean ,when they are on Gh and ins too[easy to keep big while being off gear doing those two ].....lol......Being a pro is pretty darn tough......lots of costs, risks , and decisions. Shawn Ray[even though he is hated by many ] and Milos have been two of the best at maintaining a high level look while maintaining an attractive physique for along time. Shawn finally said fuck it and just decided it was too hard and become a regular looking guy.[who could blame him.......he might be a selfish prick .....I don't know the man ........but the man's was smart and was a pro like Richie or labrada that understood how to be a pro ......most don't and get nothing in the end]
So van [ you are a straight up guy which I like ] I hope that answers your questions.......anymore I would be happy to contribute if things stay positive...
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are you dante strudel, the fat oaf that claims to have "invented" some kind of new workout philosohpy?
Iamabadman and I have been to the pro ironman together, actually got in trouble once together, wonder how I pulled that one off? Except he lives in Northern Cali I live in San Diego, he is much better looking and has rolled with "who's who" in the MMA industry. I must be Chris Angel, I need to take this cloning act on the road. I'm sorry you dont know who Imabadman is....which is all the more reason you might want to get off this board from time to time. He is pretty well known (and your looking really stupid right now).
Go to professional muscle where he is very well known by many in person and online and open up the subject "Are Doggcrapp and imabadman the same person?" Lets see the response you get. Another 1000 dollars to you if we are the same guy. Cmon man, take me up on some of these bets and make me eat crow....you know you want to...I dare you. 1000 paypalled right over to you if we are the same guy. If i am wrong you dont need to pay me anything. What is there to lose? (except another one of these bets you flunk out on every time)
Whats the next conspiracy theory you got for me? Was I on the grassy knoll?
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I have spoken to a pro who i would say was top 10 in the world. his starting cycle is 1750 mg of test a week. that is the base.
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Van .....all good questions . I think guys all that progress gradually and intelligently can have long careers .But I do think the top of the Food chain eventually get eatten up by the sport aspect of it .It almost becomes a business decision for a guy like Ronnie , Jay , or Chris . [ All three are complete genetic freaks period end of story] But for them ,it was stay safe and stick with what has already been mentioned and keep placing lower or push things more extreme and win shows[they knew they had the genes to give the judges want they wanted .99.9% don't reguardless of ammount of gear taken and they knew it ] .........they had the ability ......and it made sense financially,so they made the choice do it .And honestly it worked out for them all pretty well .........but if they die at 50 is really a good choice in the end ? Only they will be able to answer that ]
I think Jay and Ronnie look Horrible to be honest. Even Chris 's beautiful shape is starting to go. And all 3 have ruined their faces with drugs in the last maybe 4 yrs [ although Ronnie stated pushing things in 95 or so Chris in 96 or 97 .......and jay at maybe 2000] The Jaw and head shapes change [as well as hand and foot size ]with continued use at 10-12 ius over a few yrs time ] So that answers those questions. Do I think these guys are taking a gram of test a week ? I dont know........maybe ? some guys love test .......some guys dont do well with alot of it........I think jay from looking some of his past diets[ drinking stuff like coke and gatorade ] is a big friend of insulin IMO. Like I said they most likely don't use anything crazy dose wise .They just upped their atty with the GH and insulin in a big time way and honestly they reaped the rewards for what choices they have made,but they already have paid a huge price [ their looks are gone,and shapes are destroyed . Well , Chris still has his to an extent] . I put on 20 solid lbs playing with Insulin back in my time it is the most anabolic hormone there is ]. Do they come off ? Drugs yes .......but I think alot keep a base of test in there to not totally go catabolic .......but I dont think they ever go off the gh [maybe vary the dose some ] and insulin just depends on the guy. Drug free guys say they are clean ,when they are on Gh and ins too[easy to keep big while being off gear doing those two ].....lol......Being a pro is pretty darn tough......lots of costs, risks , and decisions. Shawn Ray[even though he is hated by many ] and Milos have been two of the best at maintaining a high level look while maintaining an attractive physique for along time. Shawn finally said fuck it and just decided it was too hard and become a regular looking guy.[who could blame him.......he might be a selfish prick .....I don't know the man ........but the man's was smart and was a pro like Richie or labrada that understood how to be a pro ......most don't and get nothing in the end]
So van [ you are a straight up guy which I like ] I hope that answers your questions.......anymore I would be happy to contribute if things stay positive...
Thanks.
What you say sounds reasonable to me. Keep a baseline test with GH year round. If that's being "off" then I can buy it. I don't think the top guys clean out completely, the crash would be too severe and wouldn't serve any purpose really. When a heavy juicer cleans out completely it's very obvious - suddenly they look 10 year younger (anyone have the pics of Dorian when he presented trophies at some pro grand prix shortly after his retirement?).
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Iamabadman and I have been to the pro ironman together, actually got in trouble once together, wonder how I pulled that one off? Except he lives in Northern Cali I live in San Diego, he is much better looking and has rolled with "who's who" in the MMA industry. I must be Chris Angel, I need to take this cloning act on the road. I'm sorry you dont know who Imabadman is....which is all the more reason you might want to get off this board from time to time. He is pretty well known (and your looking really stupid right now).
Go to professional muscle where he is very well known by many in person and online and open up the subject "Are Doggcrapp and imabadman the same person?" Lets see the response you get. Another 1000 dollars to you if we are the same guy. Cmon man, take me up on some of these bets and make me eat crow....you know you want to...I dare you. 1000 paypalled right over to you if we are the same guy. If i am wrong you dont need to pay me anything. What is there to lose? (except another one of these bets you flunk out on every time)
Whats the next conspiracy theory you got for me? Was I on the grassy knoll?
yes, you're right.
i've spent some time checking you and jason out and i'm here to get my serving of crow.
i have always been cool with you in the past and actually gave you kudos for thinking outside of the box with regards to your training theories. i thought you were straight up, right up until you backed that castleberry bullshit. at which point i was more than a little dissapointed and completely reversed my opinion of you.
i'm not going to stink up this thread with castleberry bs, but suffice to say i WILL PAYPAL YOU $10000 if brad can bench 600lbs raw at a sanctioned meet.
you can split it with him. should be the easiest money he's ever made if that vid is on the up. hell, he could do some sets and reps with it and make it a workout. i KNOW he'd appreciate the audience.
btw, i have NEVER welshed on a bet, EVER. i have no problem eating crow and i have no problem forwarding the money to a suitable stan-in, but i want you to personally put up the same if he fails to show or go. ;D
let me say here that I SINCERELY APOLOGISE TO USER IDS, DOGGCRAPP AND IMABADMAN2 FOR MY MISGUIDED ACCUSATIONS.
i will show both due respect from here out unless i see bullshit, at which point i will adopt getbig policy and call it (only i will check my facts more thoroughly next time ;D :-[ :-X)
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ok now thats done and you actually did the research on it instead of typing first and looking it up later, your next task is to research all my posts on Castleberry and point out one instance where I ever said he could bench 600 or for that matter "any specific weight"......It was all about the difference in peoples genetics...his physique vs the people he trains with....I said he was strong. I dont train the kid, I dont know the kid, he trains in my gym, he doesnt use fake weights, he is ungodly strong for being 230-240 and competing in the Musclemania/Superbody year after year (2 weeks ago the most recent I believe) and guess what? I have absolutely no clue what he truly benches or squats and never said I did.
But thats how warped people on getbig are...you say "hey this kid is strong" and they come back with "are you saying he can bench more than mendelson?!?!?" Huh? What? Uhhh no i said he was strong, read what I ACTUALLY typed".......Alex, yourself and another guy were under the assumption I was training the kid. Where did you get that? I dont train the kid, I dont know the kid, so that tells me you guys dont actually read peoples posts, you just skim thinking of the next thing you want to type.
Its as simple as this. Just like I told Cap86 in pms, go to the gym yourself at 4-6 pm during the week and check it out yourself if its that important to you. Screw this youtube crap and analytical viewing, get to the bottom of it and go find out for yourself if it offends you that much. For some reason Cap86 never showed up. Instead of ranting and raving about this for your next 20 posts, if you actually take the time to look at my past posts and READ them on the subject youll come to the same conclusion as your post above "wow he didnt say anything specific about Castleberry except that he has great genetics and is strong-I guess i eat crow again" you would save yourself alot of trouble if you actually read what I typed ...... it is what it is, that you care so deeply about this kid who does lifts with multi spotters is beyond me. Mike Parretta lifts at my gym and has pulled close to 900 lbs. If I come on getbig and say something as simple and non specific as "Mike Parretta is incredibly strong and deadlifts a slew of slag iron" are you going to come back with "Bullshit Dante! Are you backing Parretta and saying he is a better deadlifter than Andy Bolton?!?!" I type what I type, how someone warps it when they read it is their mistake.
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ok now thats done and you actually did the research on it instead of typing first and looking it up later, your next task is to research all my posts on Castleberry and point out one instance where I ever said he could bench 600 or for that matter "any specific weight"......It was all about the difference in peoples genetics...his physique vs the people he trains with....I said he was strong. I dont train the kid, I dont know the kid, he trains in my gym, he doesnt use fake weights, he is ungodly strong for being 230-240 and competing in the Musclemania/Superbody year after year (2 weeks ago the most recent I believe) and guess what? I have absolutely no clue what he truly benches or squats and never said I did.
But thats how warped people on getbig are...you say "hey this kid is strong" and they come back with "are you saying he can bench more than mendelson?!?!?" Huh? What? Uhhh no i said he was strong, read what I ACTUALLY typed".......Alex, yourself and another guy were under the assumption I was training the kid. Where did you get that? I dont train the kid, I dont know the kid, so that tells me you guys dont actually read peoples posts, you just skim thinking of the next thing you want to type.
Its as simple as this. Just like I told Cap86 in pms, go to the gym yourself at 4-6 pm during the week and check it out yourself if its that important to you. Screw this youtube crap and analytical viewing, get to the bottom of it and go find out for yourself if it offends you that much. For some reason Cap86 never showed up. Instead of ranting and raving about this for your next 20 posts, if you actually take the time to look at my past posts and READ them on the subject youll come to the same conclusion as your post above "wow he didnt say anything specific about Castleberry except that he has great genetics and is strong-I guess i eat crow again" you would save yourself alot of trouble if you actually read what I typed ...... it is what it is, that you care so deeply about this kid who does lifts with multi spotters is beyond me. Mike Parretta lifts at my gym and has pulled close to 900 lbs. If I come on getbig and say "Mike Parretta is incredibly strong and deadlifts a slew of slag iron" are you going to come back with "Bullshit Dante! Are you backing Parretta and saying he is a better deadlifter than Andy Bolton?!?!" I type what I type, how someone warps it when they read it is their mistake.
hahahaha, you're still talking about this bullshit from weeks back? don't you have anything better to do? i thought you were a billionaire protein tycoon. ::)
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hahahaha, you're still talking about this bullshit from weeks back? don't you have anything better to do? i thought you were a billionaire protein tycoon. ::)
when i bury you and make you look like a pussy, what will you say then? I tried? Im clean? make up some BS excuse? im going to call you fat boy the entire workout as you drag through the workout... "COME ON FAT BOY" "GET UP FAT BOY" YOUR SET FAT BOY" maybe if you lose that gut you can squat all the way down without your belly sitting in your lap!
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hahahaha, you're still talking about this bullshit from weeks back? don't you have anything better to do? i thought you were a billionaire protein tycoon. ::)
no i actually have to get ready to go to work now, how bout yourself? Another 12 hour shift on getbig unpaid? (awesome, your parents must be beaming with pride)
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no i actually have to get ready to go to work now, how bout yourself? Another 12 hour shift on getbig unpaid? (awesome, your parents must be beaming with pride)
hahahahahaha, i'm not the one who's still fuming over a thread from over a month ago "big man". ;D
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ok now thats done and you actually did the research on it instead of typing first and looking it up later, your next task is to research all my posts on Castleberry and point out one instance where I ever said he could bench 600 or for that matter "any specific weight"......It was all about the difference in peoples genetics...his physique vs the people he trains with....I said he was strong. I dont train the kid, I dont know the kid, he trains in my gym, he doesnt use fake weights, he is ungodly strong for being 230-240 and competing in the Musclemania/Superbody year after year (2 weeks ago the most recent I believe) and guess what? I have absolutely no clue what he truly benches or squats and never said I did.
But thats how warped people on getbig are...you say "hey this kid is strong" and they come back with "are you saying he can bench more than mendelson?!?!?" Huh? What? Uhhh no i said he was strong, read what I ACTUALLY typed".......Alex, yourself and another guy were under the assumption I was training the kid. Where did you get that? I dont train the kid, I dont know the kid, so that tells me you guys dont actually read peoples posts, you just skim thinking of the next thing you want to type.
Its as simple as this. Just like I told Cap86 in pms, go to the gym yourself at 4-6 pm during the week and check it out yourself if its that important to you. Screw this youtube crap and analytical viewing, get to the bottom of it and go find out for yourself if it offends you that much. For some reason Cap86 never showed up. Instead of ranting and raving about this for your next 20 posts, if you actually take the time to look at my past posts and READ them on the subject youll come to the same conclusion as your post above "wow he didnt say anything specific about Castleberry except that he has great genetics and is strong-I guess i eat crow again" you would save yourself alot of trouble if you actually read what I typed ...... it is what it is, that you care so deeply about this kid who does lifts with multi spotters is beyond me. Mike Parretta lifts at my gym and has pulled close to 900 lbs. If I come on getbig and say something as simple and non specific as "Mike Parretta is incredibly strong and deadlifts a slew of slag iron" are you going to come back with "Bullshit Dante! Are you backing Parretta and saying he is a better deadlifter than Andy Bolton?!?!" I type what I type, how someone warps it when they read it is their mistake.
Self justification meltdown
Face it, 'Dante', you've been exposed as a charlatan. Even my grandmother can bench 600lbs in your 'gym' ::)
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no i actually have to get ready to go to work now, how bout yourself? Another 12 hour shift on getbig unpaid? (awesome, your parents must be beaming with pride)
LMAO ;D
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Is there a problem "TooPowerful4u"?
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Is there a problem "TooPowerful4u"?
hahahaha, just ignore him Mars, the "man" is a roid psycho internet stalker, all 5'7" 178 pounds of him. ;D
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well, thanks for accepting my apolgy dante. :D
ok now that's done. how about you get your head out of your ass.
no one is comparing anyone to anyone. YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT CASTLBERRY WAS USING LEGITE WEIGHTS.
if they were legite then he can bench 600 raw, no problem so, for 10gs, let's bring it.
not saying you train him, know him or fuck him, just maybe you might see him at the gym and go, "hey, maybe we can spring 10gs from this getbig prick if you can bring that shit over to a sanctioned meet and put it down there instead of here one day." make sense now or are you going to light up the board with another meltdown, dropping names like bolton, mendleson and god knows who else.
...but then again, i can see that brad's a shy type kid and neither of you could do with the publicity + ten gs, so maybe y'all better stay in delusional doggcrapp land. it's nice and safe in there.
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Well if I dont believe he can bench 600 and you dont believe he can bench 600 what exactly is the bet on?
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hahahaha! nuttin but insecure little bitches melting down in this thread. ::)
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hahahaha, just ignore him Mars, the "man" is a roid psycho internet stalker, all 5'7" 178 pounds of him. ;D
5'8 225 and now im a "stalker"... i think you are just afraid and trying to taunt me into backing out now that i have someone to fly me to St Louis
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5'8 225 and now im a "stalker"... i think you are just afraid and trying to taunt me into backing out now that i have someone to fly me to St Louis
and who says no one takes shit serious on GB ::)
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Beast........I appreciate the respect at least on my end ,because I know you like to come here to have fun [to each his own] and really be positive [so I appreciate the respect for real]. But bro , where do you kids not see that he was trying to help alot of people out by just using the kid as an example. He wasn't trying to promote the kid ,he is not a sponsored athele by his company. All he was saying is that kid is strong for a 22yr kid ,has nice clean looking physique [who knows if he is or not ?.......but I have a way easier time believing this kid is clean rather than Locket], and the guy has some athletic ability to boot[can dunk at 5 '10] .The first pic shown had him doing a 585 assisted beach I believe and Dante even aknowledged that the spotter was helping probably took away at least 100 -150 away from the lift. All that was being said was that was damm good for a 22 yr old lean kid [probably clean lifetime] ,he can hoist some heavy iron. How many guys here can do a real 405 raw bench no matter how long or hard they train ? [Squadfather ,obvisously a built guy that has trained long and hard admits he can't ...........I know most guys would get crushed with that weight even with 3 spotters. I personally have trained off and on since 10 and I am 37 . I did use juice from 23 to 25 and at a fair conditioned 300lbs[on gear] I have benched 535 2-3 reps on several occasions . Now at 37 clean for 12 yrs at a pretty lean 240-245 [but certainly nothing great] and can get 405 for a very hard 3-4 [ sad but true ] And I have been told I am gifted and I always been stronger as well more athletic than 99% of the people I have ever witnessed in person.....If I even tried to support 765 or even 585 on the bench it would smash me right now even with a spotter. And that is a fact. Even with the gay ass " Jimmy the iron bull Pellenchia " [ remember him for the 90s .......do a search on this guy from the 90s ......he had the joints from hell ......could do some amazing cheat lifts and assisted stuff ...even got a MD and Twin lab contract for his lifting ability....do a search on him.....the kid lifts just like him] What Dante is saying is that reguardless of form or assistance just to support those weights without getting hurt is amazing...........ever try to walk out of a rack with 765 on your back ? It freaking hurts..not fun at all .....I had back surgery last dec [ my second one ] and very slowly working on my squat and deads [despite having back pain still which really sucks] but my lifts in the squat and dead lifts are very slowly creeping up.[ but still a couple hundred pounds off of my bests] If I tried to walk 765 right now ,I would be crushed instantly even with a spot. All Dante is saying that for that kid to do the shity lifting style he does ,not get hurt, and develope a pretty darn good physique along the way is pretty amazing. He was making the point so that some guys on here don't hurt themselves chasing something that ain't going to happen.
How many guys on here risking their health or freedom by juicing ? How many guys spend all their hard earned cash looking for new supplement proticals ,fad dieting techniques or exercise routines, or even on books/ mags? All he was saying ,if you enjoy bbing then give it an honest shot. Do everything right for a few years.[ diet ,heavy progessive training, lots of rest , zero drugs] Then after a couple of years of consistant effort it will become apparent that you are something special that has some hard choices to make [like this kid ] or you should just train for health, to look / feel good , and for the benifits to your mental health as well. He is basically saying this because too many guys use just to be the big guy at the bar or gym, try to turn nothing into something with drugs[ yes ,there are pros and many top ams like this .....but do these guys make it or is it worth risks they are taking?],and to be honest most of the hardcore lifters aren't lifting 10 - 15 yrs later .[ and they end looking like shit ........so why even go there ? Oh yeah , out of selfish ,obbsessive , insecure behavior.......right?] So Beast, Dante was trying to help you and everyother guy out there .For you guys to jump his shit and turn this into a let's all attack Dante because he full dogcrapp pillow party is wrong. He honsetly gives a fuck about you and all the guys coming up .Yet he can't even post here unless he is prepared to defend himself........don't you honestly [ don't be a kid here ] think that is wrong ?[I know you guys what to have fun .....by why with a man that could and wants to help you guys?] ........I would love to post here ......I have lots scoops from inside pro football ,MMA , powerlifting,and of course bbing. I am a for real a never was been ,my body could never hold up .I don't have the genetic abilty that the guys that make it have to stay healthy .But I have been to the fringes ,know lots of tops guys in those sports mentioned , and I have lots of expirience to learn from. But would I ever be dumb enough to post stuff here ? Nope ......the whole thread would turn into ....you are a bullshiter .....stupid attacks ......and other crap that makes it worthless to post [ I am sure dante feels the same] When I was younger [I might not have listened ] ,but I would have loved to read the shit Dante had to say .[he had a newsletter and in fact that is how I met him so I did ....lol] but we are older [which sucks....ha ha ] and wiser now . And a much much better perspective of things...... I would love to help you guys out ......But ..........
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Beast........I appreciate the respect at least on my end ,because I know you like to come here to have fun [to each his own] and really be positive [so I appreciate the respect for real]. But bro , where do you kids not see that he was trying to help alot of people out by just using the kid as an example. He wasn't trying to promote the kid ,he is not a sponsored athele by his company. All he was saying is that kid is strong for a 22yr kid ,has nice clean looking physique [who knows if he is or not ?.......but I have a way easier time believing this kid is clean rather than Locket], and the guy has some athletic ability to boot[can dunk at 5 '10] .The first pic shown had him doing a 585 assisted beach I believe and Dante even aknowledged that the spotter was helping probably took away at least 100 -150 away from the lift. All that was being said was that was damm good for a 22 yr old lean kid [probably clean lifetime] ,he can hoist some heavy iron. How many guys here can do a real 405 raw bench no matter how long or hard they train ? [Squadfather ,obvisously a built guy that has trained long and hard admits he can't ...........I know most guys would get crushed with that weight even with 3 spotters. I personally have trained off and on since 10 and I am 37 . I did use juice from 23 to 25 and at a fair conditioned 300lbs[on gear] I have benched 535 2-3 reps on several occasions . Now at 37 clean for 12 yrs at a pretty lean 240-245 [but certainly nothing great] and can get 405 for a very hard 3-4 [ sad but true ] And I have been told I am gifted and I always been stronger as well more athletic than 99% of the people I have ever witnessed in person.....If I even tried to support 765 or even 585 on the bench it would smash me right now even with a spotter. And that is a fact. Even with the gay ass " Jimmy the iron bull Pellenchia " [ remember him for the 90s .......do a search on this guy from the 90s ......he had the joints from hell ......could do some amazing cheat lifts and assisted stuff ...even got a MD and Twin lab contract for his lifting ability....do a search on him.....the kid lifts just like him] What Dante is saying is that reguardless of form or assistance just to support those weights without getting hurt is amazing...........ever try to walk out of a rach with 765 on your back ? It freaking hurts..not fun at all .....I had back surgery last dec [ my second one ] and very slowly working on my squat and deads [despite having back pain still which really sucks] but my lifts in the squat and dead lifts are very slowly creeping up.[ but still a couple hundred pounds off of my bests] If I tried to walk 765 right now ,I would be crushed instantly even with a spot. All Dante is saying that for that kid to do the shity lifting style he does ,not get hurt, and develope a pretty darn good physique along the way is pretty amazing. He was making the point so that some guys on here don't hurt themselves chasing something that ain't going to happen.
How many guys on here risking their health or freedom by juicing ? How many guys spend all their hard earned cash looking for new supplement proticals ,fad dieting techniques or exercise routines, or even on books/ mags? All he was saying ,if you enjoy bbing give and honest shot. Do everything right for a few years.[ diet ,heavy progessive training, lots of rest , zero drugs] Then after a couple of years of consistant effort it will become apparent that you are something special that has some hard choices to make [like this kid ] or you should just train for health, to look / feel good , and for the benifits to your mental health as well. He is basically saying this because too many guys use just to be the big guy at the bar or gym, try to turn nothing into something with drugs[ yes ,there are pros and many top ams like this .....but do these guys make it or is it worth risks they are taking?],and to be honest most of the hardcore lifters aren't lifting 10 - 15 yrs later .[ and they end looking like shit ........so why even go there ? Oh yeah , out of selfish ,obbsessive , insecure behavior.......right?] So Beast, Dante was trying to help you and everyother guy out there .For you guys to jump his shit and turn this into a let's all attack Dante because he full dogcrapp pillow party is wrong. He honsetly gives a fuck about you and all the guys coming up .Yet he can't even post here unless he is prepared to defend himself........don't you honestly [ don't be a kid here ] think that is wrong ?[I know you guys what to have fun .....by why with a man that could and wants to help you guys?] ........I would love to post here ......I have lots scoops from inside pro football ,MMA , powerlifting,and of course bbing. I am for real a never was been ,my body could never hold up .I don't have the genetic abilty that the guys that make it have .But I have been to the fringes ,know lots of tops guys in those sports mentioned , and I have lots of expirience to learn from. but would I ever be dumb enough to post stuff here ? Nope ......the whole thread would turn into ....you are a bullshiter .....stupid attacks ......and other crap that makes it worthless to post [ I am sure dante feels the same] When I was younger [I might not have listened ] ,but I would have loved to read the shit Dante had to say .[he had a newsletter and in fact that is how I met him so I did ....lol] but we are older [which sucks....ha ha ] and wiser now . And a much much better perspective of things...... I would to help ......But ..........
Very very long MELTDOWN
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no ones gonna read that ::)
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no ones gonna read that ::)
There's a heatwave out here and i almost suffered a heat stroke trying to read that shit.
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Oh well............ha ha ........I can't say I didnt try to hep you fuckers......lol
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There's a heatwave out here and i almost suffered a heat stroke trying to read that shit.
hahahah he's the spokesman for advil.
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Beast........I appreciate the respect at least on my end ,because I know you like to come here to have fun [to each his own] and really be positive [so I appreciate the respect for real]. But bro , where do you kids not see that he was trying to help alot of people out by just using the kid as an example. He wasn't trying to promote the kid ,he is not a sponsored athele by his company. All he was saying is that kid is strong for a 22yr kid ,has nice clean looking physique [who knows if he is or not ?.......but I have a way easier time believing this kid is clean rather than Locket], and the guy has some athletic ability to boot[can dunk at 5 '10] .The first pic shown had him doing a 585 assisted beach I believe and Dante even aknowledged that the spotter was helping probably took away at least 100 -150 away from the lift. All that was being said was that was damm good for a 22 yr old lean kid [probably clean lifetime] ,he can hoist some heavy iron. How many guys here can do a real 405 raw bench no matter how long or hard they train ? [Squadfather ,obvisously a built guy that has trained long and hard admits he can't ...........I know most guys would get crushed with that weight even with 3 spotters. I personally have trained off and on since 10 and I am 37 . I did use juice from 23 to 25 and at a fair conditioned 300lbs[on gear] I have benched 535 2-3 reps on several occasions . Now at 37 clean for 12 yrs at a pretty lean 240-245 [but certainly nothing great] and can get 405 for a very hard 3-4 [ sad but true ] And I have been told I am gifted and I always been stronger as well more athletic than 99% of the people I have ever witnessed in person.....If I even tried to support 765 or even 585 on the bench it would smash me right now even with a spotter. And that is a fact. Even with the gay ass " Jimmy the iron bull Pellenchia " [ remember him for the 90s .......do a search on this guy from the 90s ......he had the joints from hell ......could do some amazing cheat lifts and assisted stuff ...even got a MD and Twin lab contract for his lifting ability....do a search on him.....the kid lifts just like him] What Dante is saying is that reguardless of form or assistance just to support those weights without getting hurt is amazing...........ever try to walk out of a rack with 765 on your back ? It freaking hurts..not fun at all .....I had back surgery last dec [ my second one ] and very slowly working on my squat and deads [despite having back pain still which really sucks] but my lifts in the squat and dead lifts are very slowly creeping up.[ but still a couple hundred pounds off of my bests] If I tried to walk 765 right now ,I would be crushed instantly even with a spot. All Dante is saying that for that kid to do the shity lifting style he does ,not get hurt, and develope a pretty darn good physique along the way is pretty amazing. He was making the point so that some guys on here don't hurt themselves chasing something that ain't going to happen.
How many guys on here risking their health or freedom by juicing ? How many guys spend all their hard earned cash looking for new supplement proticals ,fad dieting techniques or exercise routines, or even on books/ mags? All he was saying ,if you enjoy bbing then give it an honest shot. Do everything right for a few years.[ diet ,heavy progessive training, lots of rest , zero drugs] Then after a couple of years of consistant effort it will become apparent that you are something special that has some hard choices to make [like this kid ] or you should just train for health, to look / feel good , and for the benifits to your mental health as well. He is basically saying this because too many guys use just to be the big guy at the bar or gym, try to turn nothing into something with drugs[ yes ,there are pros and many top ams like this .....but do these guys make it or is it worth risks they are taking?],and to be honest most of the hardcore lifters aren't lifting 10 - 15 yrs later .[ and they end looking like shit ........so why even go there ? Oh yeah , out of selfish ,obbsessive , insecure behavior.......right?] So Beast, Dante was trying to help you and everyother guy out there .For you guys to jump his shit and turn this into a let's all attack Dante because he full dogcrapp pillow party is wrong. He honsetly gives a fuck about you and all the guys coming up .Yet he can't even post here unless he is prepared to defend himself........don't you honestly [ don't be a kid here ] think that is wrong ?[I know you guys what to have fun .....by why with a man that could and wants to help you guys?] ........I would love to post here ......I have lots scoops from inside pro football ,MMA , powerlifting,and of course bbing. I am a for real a never was been ,my body could never hold up .I don't have the genetic abilty that the guys that make it have to stay healthy .But I have been to the fringes ,know lots of tops guys in those sports mentioned , and I have lots of expirience to learn from. But would I ever be dumb enough to post stuff here ? Nope ......the whole thread would turn into ....you are a bullshiter .....stupid attacks ......and other crap that makes it worthless to post [ I am sure dante feels the same] When I was younger [I might not have listened ] ,but I would have loved to read the shit Dante had to say .[he had a newsletter and in fact that is how I met him so I did ....lol] but we are older [which sucks....ha ha ] and wiser now . And a much much better perspective of things...... I would love to help you guys out ......But ..........
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