Hey Beast ,I won't get into a pissing match with you or start disrespecting you either[like you like to do for some reason I don't understand ]. But you are incorrect about a couple things, and I would like you to go back and please see where .First , I never made any threats here .Something I had done long ago was brought up by another board member [ a friend of mine coming to my defense [TP4U]....... I wish he hadn't mentioned anything , but appreciate his loyality ] and Dante spoke up I believe and just said I was for real .[ that was all .......again I wish nothing had been mentioned . I know better than to come on getbig and try to be a bad ass ......you will get slammed from all angles and frankly ,not my idea of a good time] Second , have a mod check the ip 's[ although my ip is buffered [computer guys will know what this means ,maybe under a different term] abit if you know what that means .....but the general area is correct ......he and I are 600 miles apart ] I have known Dante since 93 . He as good a person as you would hope to find.[why does everyone attack the guy here ?] He generally loves to help people and has a true passion for bbing. [ he is the kind of guy that will help you if you get a flat , buy a homless guy a meal , or help out a lost dog in traffic in a rain strom ] The fact that you would think a grown man would create a fake account and threaten folks makes me think you must be a young guy. But I assure you, I am not Dante .........I stopped posting here ......simple ....because everythime I do someone has something smart ass to say or attacks it . I like this board .It is entertaining [some good people here as well ]. But I am not here to be a tough guy , throw insults /smart ass remarks , to make other people feel bad , or even to aurgue. When I come to a board .I choose to learn , share , and support . That is why I post at another board .But you are surely wrong on both subjects and should be a man enough to admit so .Maybe even appoligize?
Also guys , why do you guys care what so and so takes ? [most of you don't want to go to that extreme anyway ....right ?]How does their gear use matter to you then? Do you really want to justify to yourselves that you are not Jay or Ronnie just because you don't take 3 grams of gear a week ? If so , then why not try it and see what happens ? If you want to see what your genes hold for you . Simple . Do everything right for a couple of years .[ diet perfect for your goals,heavy basic progressive training ,lots of good sleep /rest .......and I mean perfect......not half assed ] Then see if you enjoy the sport as much as when you first started your quest. If you have any genetics at all [and did things right ],you should have built a pretty darn good physique by then totally drug free . From there ,decide what makes sense . Can you justify risking your health, freedom ,and spending the money to pursue the competive physique? If you can , then go forward .This is your choice to make as a man . But once you add gear it is a very hard step backwards [take it from someone that knows this personally]
If you do you use gear ,sure it should be a progessive type type venture and it will be. Your first cycle [if done right will yield your most gains, then after you will be chasing those gains for as long as you use gear. Kind of like a crack addict chases that first high for as they are using] I understand why a competitor like TP4U would want to know exact proticals and such to keep informed with the jones so to speak . But understand , gear use is a very individual thing and response differs greatly . The more you take the more sides you have to counter .I tend to have to agree with Milos here [and Dante ] .Think about it logically. Ronnie could not possibly had the long carreer that he has had if he had been pushing the evelope this whole time .No freaking way !!! Same with any of these guys ,like Milos . No way . But look at guys that crash and burn from Europe and South America . They clearly aren't taking their time progressively getting better and getting a good natural base . Many are just plain getting obsessive and pushing the evelope because drugs are relatively cheap /legal in their respective countries and they love the attention they get from being a freak .
The sport lost it's virtue when it started acting like a sport ,instead an expression of health and art . In sports poeple play to win . It is about pushing the evelope .It is about getting bigger and better . Good guys simply play the game smart from the get go . Start with a cycle of 250 - 500mgs of test.........then maybe add 200 mgs of eq or deca to that the next time ........then bump the dosages a little ......then maybe add an oral to that ......when you get to 1000- 1500mgs of total gear a week ......add gh .........after a year or so of that maybe add some insulin ...........another year add igf-1 or up the dosage ..then try some site inject or synthol for weak bps.......Do see what I am saying ? If you want a career like Shawn or Milos it is about using the drugs as a tool and slow steady progression. Your body will tell you when it has had enough [ kind of like what is happening to Branch , Ruel , and Ronnie now ] Drugs are a tool , not the means to an end . The guys that see it the other way around are in for a rude awakening.[many gym/internet bbers /pro wresterlers have this short lived expensive type thought process and pay a price in the long or the short run for it .If drugs are your answer you will not ever carry a nice healthy physique throughout the duration of your life......and shouldnt that be the whole idea weither you compete or not ?]
My final words on this subject , are this . In my expirience I wish I hadnt gone down that road , but I am far from anti drug. [and I would never think to put someone down for making that choice ] The sport is no different from society .There are many fucked up people involved in it for the wrong reasons. [ lots of selfish insecure people that are drawn to the bbing lifestyle] You aren't not going to get many straight answers on this subject ,although I honestly have tried . Dante and Milos are being pretty honest from all that I have seen . Why you guys are confused is because of all the lies and bs that is out there on the net now .[ nothing is ever explained either .......read in Flex that a guy does 20 sets for his arms now ......but what you don't see is when he put on nearly all his size on he was doing only 6 sets ,same goes with drug use ] The guys you see that shrink so bad ,quit training period , eat like shit , and probably didnt achieve a good natural base before using gear...........gear is a huge part of the look that is in today ......no doubt .....but the guys that did it right and the longest use drugs as a tool and not a means to the end .....there aren't any real secrets to the equation. Most of the guys here are pretty smart sift though the bs and make intelligent choices for yourself .Worrying about anyone else is not going help you or do you any good anyway .............
