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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Livewire on July 14, 2007, 11:32:10 AM
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get over it, pussyboy. You can't win the O with only one lat and one triceps.
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the best decision in olympia history.
the worst decision in olympia history was 1980 olympia and second worst was the 2001 mr. olympia.
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Ronnie's right delt is full of oil there :-X
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the best decision in olympia history.
the worst decision in olympia history was 1980 olympia and second worst was the 2001 mr. olympia.
And who do you think should have won in '80 ::) ::) ::)
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hahahaha, nice try, put Jay two feet closer like Ronnie is and have him do the exact same pose Ronnie's doing.
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the best decision in olympia history.
the worst decision in olympia history was 1980 olympia and second worst was the 2001 mr. olympia.
1981 was the worst. Franco should have been 3rd or 4th. Apparently Arnold pulled a few strings for him.
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1981 was the worst. Franco should have been 3rd or 4th. Apparently Arnold pulled a few strings for him.
Agreed. Danny Padilla kicked every ass onstage that night.
Best Frank Zane quote? "Franco won that show with one leg and one bitch tit."
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Here is an objective article I wrote on it:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/jaycutlerversusronniecoleman2006.html
Look at it this way: since 1983, the man with the best back has won the Mr. Olympia, and Jay had the best back in 2006.
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1994 Mr. Olympia was the worst.
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1994 Mr. Olympia was the worst.
No doubt shawn ray won that year, absolute bbing perfection right there.
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1994 Mr. Olympia was the worst.
Hulkster thinks 01 was better than 94, that's how delusional he is :-\
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Hulkster thinks 01 was better than 94, that's how delusional he is :-\
I am not a huge Cutler fan, but in 2001 he wiped the floor with Ronnie...Cutler came in dry, full and dense; compared to an over-sized soft Ronnie...I still think that Shawn was everything bodybuilding is supposed to be in 1994 and got hit with the disrespect stick where they placed him....
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If you go by the standard that the man with the best back wins, all the judging decisions since 1983 have been accurate. Speaking of 1983, Bertil Fox being in fifth place was a travesty.
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Hulkster thinks 01 was better than 94, that's how delusional he is :-\
delsional?
you post a pic of dorian flexing and shawn and kevin haven't even hit the pose yet.. ::)
dorian got owned in 94.
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delsional?
you post a pic of dorian flexing and shawn and kevin haven't even hit the pose yet.. ::)
dorian got owned in 94.
Agreed - I'd choose Dorain over Ronnie any day but even I'd admit that Shawn got absolutely screwed in 94.
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If you go by the standard that the man with the best back wins, all the judging decisions since 1983 have been accurate. Speaking of 1983, Bertil Fox being in fifth place was a travesty.
but there is no reason to assume that the standard of 'best back wins' is correct, because, as with 94, not only did dorian not have the best back double bi, he also got owned from the front:
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I mean really, dorian is standing next to milos who placed 11th: :-\
the man with the best back should not win if he looks like garbage from the front, Ronnie included.
there are two sides to the body.
not just one
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I mean really, dorian is standing next to milos who placed 11th: :-\
the man with the best back should not win if he looks like garbage from the front, Ronnie included.
there are two sides to the body.
not just one
Milos has always had a great relaxed pose...Throughout history he has been able to stand next to the best in the business and still hold his own in a relaxed pose...It is just a shame when he flexed not much happened...
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The worst decision ever was when Ben made sure Bev Francis came an incredible 8th place in Las Vegas in 83. Apparently Bev was too big and muscular for the sport. She was something like 3% bodyfat! It is all documented in "Pumping Iron 2, The Women".
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The worst decision ever was when Ben made sure Bev Francis came an incredible 8th place in Las Vegas in 83. Apparently Bev was too big and muscular for the sport. She was something like 3% bodyfat! It is all documented in "Pumping Iron 2, The Women".
Exactly what it should go back to....These days figure girls are bigger than Ms. Olympia competators of the past...It is getting bad when you can't classify exactly what you are looking at watching a Ms. Olympia contest...
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ther's a thread with a million posts about Dorian/Ronnie take your shit over there >:(
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what does the fact that Shawn Ray got royally screwed have anything to do with dorian vs ronnie?
it doesn't.
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Agreed. Danny Padilla kicked every ass onstage that night.
Best Frank Zane quote? "Franco won that show with one leg and one bitch tit."
I agree
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I am not a huge Cutler fan, but in 2001 he wiped the floor with Ronnie...Cutler came in dry, full and dense; compared to an over-sized soft Ronnie...I still think that Shawn was everything bodybuilding is supposed to be in 1994 and got hit with the disrespect stick where they placed him....
I agree 100%. I was in the 5th row for the pre judging and the finals. Ronnie's mid-section was way off and Jay was a total package in my opinion. The only reason he won is is went out in the crowd and the place went ape shit. It was a good show on Ronnie's part but he should not have taken the Sandow that year. I lost interest in the pro level for several years after that.
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Not a bad decision at all for the 2006 Olympia.
Friday night, Ronnie was pretty big and had a good physique, but many of the photographers and writers had Ronnie beating Jay in the front round. Not all of them thought, but it was about 70% Ronnie to 30% Jay. By the end of the second round (or what we call the second round since they are combined now), Jay looked just as good, and Ronnie was tiring. Ronnie also was heavier that he was before.
It was a very big debate Friday night on Ronnie vs. Jay, many of us sensing that Jay might take the crown the following night on Saturday.
Satuday evening, it was Jay. Ronnie had a great performance, being Moses, coming from the audience, making the show quite exciting, but at the end, it was his back that lost it for him. Jay's back was better. Simply put.
This year should be a great show. Ronnie knows exactly what he needs to do to best Jay, but Jay is getting better and better. Let's not forget Victor Martinez either, and of course others.. But Ronnie will be 43. Can he get his back into the shape it was just 2-3 years ago?
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1981 was the worst. Franco should have been 3rd or 4th. Apparently Arnold pulled a few strings for him.
i must confess my knowledge of the franco columbo wins is awful, i havent seen any pictures. but i have heard that he should not have won. anyone got pics?
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And who do you think should have won in '80 ::) ::) ::)
mike mentzer, chris dickerson and frank zane all could have taken it. i'd go with mike mentzer as no.1 and chris dickerson no. 2
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Franco is the man and jay beat rommie period
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Here is an objective article I wrote on it:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/jaycutlerversusronniecoleman2006.html
Look at it this way: since 1983, the man with the best back has won the Mr. Olympia, and Jay had the best back in 2006.
good analysis but it seems way too biased towards ronnie.
and this comment just took the cake regarding the front abs shot:
"This is one pose that can really go either way depending on exactly what judging standard you use"
seriously that statement was a complete and utter joke to me (no offence).
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Jay is usually the guy whos soft in the back. Why does everyone so sure he'll be 100% again?
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good analysis but it seems way too biased towards ronnie.
and this comment just took the cake regarding the front abs shot:
"This is one pose that can really go either way depending on exactly what judging standard you use"
seriously that statement was a complete and utter joke to me (no offence).
It may seem biased at first, but what I meant is that Jay's abs are much better than Ronnie's, but Ronnie's lats have a better taper. I would give it to Jay based on superior thighs though. In 2001, I would have given it to Jay instantly, but now I realize that having a dramatic taper in that pose does help, and you can't deny Ronnie's lats have a lot of flare when he hits the abs and thigh!
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I personaly hate Jays physic a lot.
But If I were a judge, i would have voted to Jay in 2006 O.
Simply he had best physic on that day.
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Ronnie's right delt is full of oil there :-X
Great Call ! No fibers showing. His Delts were never that big.
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It may seem biased at first, but what I meant is that Jay's abs are much better than Ronnie's, but Ronnie's lats have a better taper. I would give it to Jay based on superior thighs though. In 2001, I would have given it to Jay instantly, but now I realize that having a dramatic taper in that pose does help, and you can't deny Ronnie's lats have a lot of flare when he hits the abs and thigh!
i confess, you're point on the taper is not only interesting but very valid (something i never thought so much about before cos i am normally so focused on the abs).
i dont know, its just ronnie looked wierd that year.
i gotta say though, after reading ur analysis i did realise that jay is blocky, before i thought it was just the haters, but on certain shots the 'fridge' element is evident.
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Jay is usually the guy whos soft in the back. Why does everyone so sure he'll be 100% again?
hes usually the guy with the smooth suspicious looking arms. i dont know if its a genetic thing or he used some oil in it.
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1980 was the worst decision. last year was jay getting his due.
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This one-arm mess beating anyone is the worst decision in history:
(http://www.edsonprado.com.br/imagens/dorian4.jpg)
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mike mentzer, chris dickerson and frank zane all could have taken it. i'd go with mike mentzer as no.1 and chris dickerson no. 2
Menzter only had conditioning, he had no chest, good arms and average everything else. He was not Mr. O material.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/k35.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery2/vmg51.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg83.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg85.jpg)
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I personaly hate Jays physic a lot.
But If I were a judge, i would have voted to Jay in 2006 O.
Simply he had best physic on that day.
It's obvious you like Jay cause anyone who knows what a Mr. Olympia should look like would say Melvin should have won it.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg86.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg14.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg18.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg40.jpg)
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Menzter only had conditioning, he had no chest, good arms and average everything else. He was not Mr. O material.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg83.jpg)
And Schwarzeneggers toothpick legs are softer than Vince Goodrums........ ::)
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This one-arm mess beating anyone is the worst decision in history:
(http://www.edsonprado.com.br/imagens/dorian4.jpg)
agreed, at least for many of his post tear appearences...
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Above anything, it seems like there should have been a few different Mr O's over the years. No one really dominated like Arnold in his time (except for 80, of course)
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the 1972 Essen Germany Olympia is still the biggest travesty in bbing history
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the 1972 Essen Germany Olympia is still the biggest travesty in bbing history
I guess thats the same year you stopped following BBing too. ::)
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oh absolutely.
but the judges should award a title based on the merits of one's physique, not based on pity...
The real joke is that any self-respecting bodybuilder who tore a major muscle just weeks prior to a show would drop out of the show because they would know that it wouldn't be good for their legacy to go from Mr. O to 13th place...unless they were assured that they would win regardless of how shittty they looked.
Dorian had an amazing physique, but no one missing a bicep can win the Mr. O. Everyone makes a big deal about Ronnie's tricep, but compared to Dorian's bicep, it's nothing. I don't know how Shawn or Kevin or Flex or anyone else who took 2nd to Dorian during the 'one-arm' years ever put up with that travesty.
Perhaps Shawn, in retrospect, can speak on this.
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The real joke is that any self-respecting bodybuilder who tore a major muscle just weeks prior to a show would drop out of the show because they would know that it wouldn't be good for their legacy to go from Mr. O to 13th place...unless they were assured that they would win regardless of how shittty they looked.
Dorian had an amazing physique, but no one missing a bicep can win the Mr. O. Everyone makes a big deal about Ronnie's tricep, but compared to Dorian's bicep, it's nothing. I don't know how Shawn or Kevin or Flex or anyone else who took 2nd to Dorian during the 'one-arm' years ever put up with that travesty.
Perhaps Shawn, in retrospect, can speak on this.
The torn bicep is visible in exactly one mandatory pose. That does not make or break the show. Plus, people who were there will tell you that the show was over the second Dorian walked out ;)
The true travesty was 2001 when Cutler was deemed superior in muscularity and symmetry to the fat cow Coleman, yet still lost ::)
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The torn bicep is visible in exactly one mandatory pose. That does not make or break the show.
About the dumbest thing I've ever read. Front double biceps, rear double biceps, most muscular, side chest/biceps.
You're almost right about one thing. The show was over BEFORE he stepped on stage.
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The real joke is that any self-respecting bodybuilder who tore a major muscle just weeks prior to a show would drop out of the show because they would know that it wouldn't be good for their legacy to go from Mr. O to 13th place...unless they were assured that they would win regardless of how shittty they looked.
Dorian had an amazing physique, but no one missing a bicep can win the Mr. O. Everyone makes a big deal about Ronnie's tricep, but compared to Dorian's bicep, it's nothing. I don't know how Shawn or Kevin or Flex or anyone else who took 2nd to Dorian during the 'one-arm' years ever put up with that travesty.
Perhaps Shawn, in retrospect, can speak on this.
watch any mr. olympia post 93 and you'll see why yates won - he was bigger than the guys on his level of condition and in better shape that those bigger or as big as him.
one small bodypart ( his bicep) will not overcome all that much.
samething with ronnie.
if he was in shape this year, he would have won - even with the tricep.
the back is a different story.
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watch any mr. olympia post 93 and you'll see why yates won - he was bigger than the guys on his level of condition and in better shape that those bigger or as big as him.
one small bodypart ( his bicep) will not overcome all that much.
samething with ronnie.
if he was in shape this year, he would have won - even with the tricep.
the back is a different story.
I respectfully disagree. Bodybuilding is about symmetry as much as size. Anything noticeable missing from one side of the body (Yate's bicep, Ronnie's tricep, Lockett's leg, Tre Treligman's chest muscle) should be penalized and IMHO, a smaller, more symmetrical bodybuilder should win.
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I respectfully disagree. Bodybuilding is about symmetry as much as size. Anything noticeable missing from one side of the body (Yate's bicep, Ronnie's tricep, Lockett's leg, Tre Treligman's chest muscle) should be penalized and IMHO, a smaller, more symmetrical bodybuilder should win.
Like Melvin Anthony?
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Lee Preist winning the Australian was bullshit, so was the 'masters world championships'....
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I respectfully disagree. Bodybuilding is about symmetry as much as size. Anything noticeable missing from one side of the body (Yate's bicep, Ronnie's tricep, Lockett's leg, Tre Treligman's chest muscle) should be penalized and IMHO, a smaller, more symmetrical bodybuilder should win.
What about Coleman's SHIT oil filled calves? Those are visible in EVERY mandatory pose. What about Coleman's silver dollar tit? Dorian deserved and earned everything that came his way. At least Dorian never got booed off the stage like Coleman did in 02 :-\
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What about Coleman's SHIT oil filled calves? Those are visible in EVERY mandatory pose. What about Coleman's silver dollar tit? Dorian deserved and earned everything that came his way. At least Dorian never got booed off the stage like Coleman did in 02 :-\
That's racism. Nothing more, nothing less. Dillett was booed when he beat Ruhl. Coleman booed when he beat Cutler. Obama booed when he beats Clinton. Doh!
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LOL Pubic and Icehole (and post tear dorian) are getting owned by Getbig, as usual..
and hey Pubes, I noticed you still insist that ronnie's calves are "oil filled" ::), despite you being shown to be wrong and making up shit countless times.. ::)
see the truce thread for the thorough debunking of Pubic's groundless comments about Ronnie's calves.. :-\
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About the dumbest thing I've ever read. Front double biceps, rear double biceps, most muscular, side chest/biceps.
You're almost right about one thing. The show was over BEFORE he stepped on stage.
you are finding out that Pubic lives in a fantasy world that no one else knows about.. :-\
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The real joke is that any self-respecting bodybuilder who tore a major muscle just weeks prior to a show would drop out of the show because they would know that it wouldn't be good for their legacy to go from Mr. O to 13th place...unless they were assured that they would win regardless of how shittty they looked.
Dorian had an amazing physique, but no one missing a bicep can win the Mr. O. Everyone makes a big deal about Ronnie's tricep, but compared to Dorian's bicep, it's nothing. I don't know how Shawn or Kevin or Flex or anyone else who took 2nd to Dorian during the 'one-arm' years ever put up with that travesty.
Perhaps Shawn, in retrospect, can speak on this.
excellent post.
the thing is, it was more than just the biceps that year.
the rest of him looked like garbage too..
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About the dumbest thing I've ever read. Front double biceps, rear double biceps, most muscular, side chest/biceps.
You're almost right about one thing. The show was over BEFORE he stepped on stage.
Pubes' stupidity is rivaled only by his boyfriend ice.
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Pubes looks at ronnie's soft delt and says it must be synthol.
well, lets see what he says about the EXACT SAME THING in dorian:
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Pubes is being caught in his stupidity...
when you make up shit that has no basis in reality, it is bound to bite you in the ass sooner or later.
and here it comes:
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:'(
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i confess, you're point on the taper is not only interesting but very valid (something i never thought so much about before cos i am normally so focused on the abs).
i dont know, its just ronnie looked wierd that year.
i gotta say though, after reading ur analysis i did realise that jay is blocky, before i thought it was just the haters, but on certain shots the 'fridge' element is evident.
All of this about Coleman's huge advantage in taper and jay's blockiness has been mentioned in the truce thread.
In that show it was close because jay was way ahead in conditioning with coleman off, while coleman always had innate advantages in taper, aesthetics, shape and volume. Therefore it was close even given jay's conditioning.
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Menzter only had conditioning, he had no chest, good arms and average everything else. He was not Mr. O material.
Agreed that Mentzer was often over-rated and didn't deserve to win that year. Actually his conditioning and refinement wasn't as good as Schwarzenegger's or Zane's, and he was always weak in chest and arm definition to go with slightly soft midsection and quads.
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Agreed that Mentzer was often over-rated and didn't deserve to win that year. Actually his conditioning and refinement wasn't as good as Schwarzenegger's or Zane's, and he was always weak in chest and arm definition to go with slightly soft midsection and quads.
Exactly, Arnold wasn't 100% by far but he still looked good and out muscled practically everyone. Had Haney been around then he would not have won but against that competition I can't say he didn't look good enough to win but it was very close.
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Therefore it was close even given jay's conditioning.
Get your head out of your ass. It wasn't even close. Coleman was deemed inferior in muscularity AND symmetry yet still won :-\ .....wonder what Uncle Joe made him do backstage :-*
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Lee Preist winning the Australian was bullshit, so was the 'masters world championships'....
I finally found pics of the 2005 Austrailian GP, I remember Chris was not to happy about that and he shouldn't have been happy. Just look.
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you are finding out that Pubic lives in a fantasy world that no one else knows about.. :-\
the same world where you beat ronnie off?
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2001 Mr. O:
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Ronnie is owned here, flat out. Cutler superior in all aspects as verified by the judges when they deemed him superior in muscularity and symmetry.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159077.0;attach=181653;image)
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Jay wiped the floor with Ronnie in 2001
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This picture is deceiving. Everyone knows that Coleman has the best crab shot ever. As I've stated on the truce thread, I think that Coleman should ahve won the 2006 Olympia exclusively due to his most muscular - it is that good! His combination of mass, definition, striations and round muscle bellies make for a cartoon-like crab shot. The problem is that, with the exception of his most muscular and his great quads, Ronnie 2006 had nothing going on for him when compared to Jay. His midsection was distended and poorly definied. He lost size and hardness to his back and his conditioning was less than best.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I wonder what would have happened if Lou Ferrigno made a comeback the same year Arnold did? Who would have won?
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I wonder what would have happened if Lou Ferrigno made a comeback the same year Arnold did? Who would have won?
The deck was stacked.
Jesus himself could have chosen 1980 as a comeback, and the judges would have given the trophy to arnold.
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Ronnie is owned here, flat out. Cutler superior in all aspects as verified by the judges when they deemed him superior in muscularity and symmetry.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159077.0;attach=181653;image)
Pictures mean nothing.
Tell me Ronnie doesn't win.
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jays' quads looked great in 2001.
but ronnie owned him in a lot of those poses..
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the 1972 Essen Germany Olympia is still the biggest travesty in bbing history
Agreed.
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jays' quads looked great in 2001.
but ronnie owned him in a lot of those poses..
jay owned ronnie from head to toe, would have owned any incarnation of ronnie period!
even his arms smoked ronnie! :-*
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jays' quads looked great in 2001.
but ronnie owned him in a lot of those poses..
"bloated gut" isn't one of the mandatory poses
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"bloated gut" isn't one of the mandatory poses
you must have been living under a rock since 1994.
In 1995 the BG pose was implemented and has helped choose the winner ever since!
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WHEN ADONIS LOST THE GETBIG COMPETITION.
WORSE DECISION IN BODYBUILDING HISTORY
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you must have been living under a rock since 1994.
In 1995 the BG pose was implemented and has helped choose the winner ever since!
it was in full force in 94 too! LOL
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t here have been tons of worst decisions in BB in regards to the 06 Olympia. If I remember right Ronnie looked terrible at pre judging and that's where Jay basically won the show, people were saying if Ron would have showed up like he did on Saturday for Friday's prejudging he would have won. Right off the top of my head I'd say the worst ones are the 72 Olympia, I've seen pics where it looked like Oliva buried arnold, the 80 and 81 Olympia's...everyone seems to agree that arnold and franco should not have won it's just an issue of who should have beat them. the next shows would be the 89 and 90 olympia, labrada won those, I don't care what anyone says and if someone really pushes it Christian or Ray could have placed ahead of Haney in 90, they destroyed him. Dorian in 94 was bad but Dorian came back strong in 95..96 I honestly don't remember off the top of my head but I remember thinking Ray should have won. 01...Jay destroyed Ronnie that year, just crushed him and if you take away Ronnie's better overall natural shape it wouldn't even be close...
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"bloated gut" isn't one of the mandatory poses
For jay it is
(http://i16.tinypic.com/52592r5.jpg)
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what!
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yeah, jay's gut was as bad as Ronnie's.
but you'll never hear the ronnie haters admit that.. ::)
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yeah, jay's gut was as bad as Ronnie's.
but you'll never hear the ronnie haters admit that.. ::)
I can't believe you honestly think Ronnie deserved to win in 2001 after he was deemed inferior in muscularity and symmetry by the judges. WTF :-[
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you act like the judges score accurately?
here is a hint:
you and a few others on the truce thread are the ONLY bb fans that take the judges scoring as the gospel.
the rest of us have eyes and brains and can see for ourselves.
we are not blind followers..
maybe ironage would be better for you..
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you act like the judges score accurately?
here is a hint:
you and a few others on the truce thread are the ONLY bb fans that take the judges scoring as the gospel.
the rest of us have eyes and brains and can see for ourselves.
we are not blind followers..
maybe ironage would be better for you..
Right....that's why Ronnie was booed off the stage in 2002 ::)
" Ronnie won his fifth Mr. Olympia this year and was received with a thunderous round of boos from the audience as he was awarded the title. This was the worst condition that Ronnie has looked in winning the Mr. O since 1998."
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2005 WAS the worst.
2007 has replaced it as the worst choice ever.
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I posted this in a different thread but I think it's relevant to this one...
The only Coleman Olympia that was super questionable
was 2001 and people seem to forget that Jay didn't
pass some kind of diurectic test and was much drier than Ronnie.
Jay hired a lawyer and the whole thing was dropped ( This is what I remember
to the best of my knowledge) It's been 6 years, but I personally
think had Ronnie done the same drying out process Jay used that year
2001 wouldn't have been a question in Ronnie's carreer.
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I posted this in a different thread but I think it's relevant to this one...
The only Coleman Olympia that was super questionable
was 2001 and people seem to forget that Jay didn't
pass some kind of diurectic test and was much drier than Ronnie.
Jay hired a lawyer and the whole thing was dropped ( This is what I remember
to the best of my knowledge) It's been 6 years, but I personally
think had Ronnie done the same drying out process Jay used that year
2001 wouldn't have been a question in Ronnie's carreer.
LOL @ Jay suing the IFBB.
haha they seemed to forgive him 5 years later!
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not even close. Worst decisions in BB history are Haney over labrada in 90, no way does a 20lbs lighter, softer Lee Haney beat Labrada that day, never in a million years. Dorian over Ray in 94 was bad, really bad. Padilla getting screwed in 81 was terrible, that physique he had that night might be one of the top 10 alltime, Franco got one of the biggest gift in BB history that night. Arnold in 80 was pretty damn bad. Chris duffy winning the HW nationals a few years ago was really bad but nobody really remembers that but if you watch the show he was no better than 3rd.
BB is full of bad decisions....it's almost a joke.