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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: rick brophy on July 17, 2007, 09:06:29 PM
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suppose you were on aas/gh/insulin etc... how good do you think you could look?
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What do you think of Bill Pearl? I believe he is a vegetarian bodybuilder.
I think Bill Pearl looks great
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all drugs
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bodybuilders main source of protein is fish, chicken, and beef
replace that with eggs, milk, and protein powder and its the same thing
during contest prep just stick with eggs and there you have it...100% vegetarian bodybuilder
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tofu, nuts, and protein powder.. because most strict vegetarians wont drink milk, or eat eggs.
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Being a bber and a vegeterian, is like being straight and not having pussy........ :-\
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A vegetarian bodybuilder can look good, but never phenomenal. He could do well in Natural shows (juiced) but would never be able to compete with the carnivores. You just can't build that dense quality muscle on carb-based proteins...It's not gonna happen
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So was Steve Brisebois and many others...
stay away from any soy based shit like tofu which are phytoestrogen.
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i wish i had the will to be a vegitarian... is it easier to get leaner as a veggy lover ???
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i wish i had the will to be a vegitarian... is it easier to get leaner as a veggy lover ???
I've cut all read meat and poultry for a couple of months before. Only eggs, fish and diaries.
Never felt so good.
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So was Steve Brisebois and many others...
stay away from any soy based shit like tofu which are phytoestrogen.
He's right. Only fat free soy products do not increase estrogen. The only fat free products I have found is the Bob's Red Mill TVP which has other bad side effects...eat your Beano....
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all meat
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I don't know of any top level competitors these days that are vegetarian...Bill Pearl was good in his day but couldn't come close to today's competitors. So as the forum says...opinions...if I'm wrong then I learned something...
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A vegetarian bodybuilder can look good, but never phenomenal. He could do well in Natural shows (juiced) but would never be able to compete with the carnivores. You just can't build that dense quality muscle on carb-based proteins...It's not gonna happen
Yeah... because this isn't phenominal. You have to be 300 pounds with a distended gut and no striations to be phenominal
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That guy knows how to get shredded.... :o
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I don't know of any top level competitors these days that are vegetarian...Bill Pearl was good in his day but couldn't come close to today's competitors. So as the forum says...opinions...if I'm wrong then I learned something...
What a dumb statement. Bill Pearl was more than "good in his day". He was the best. As for not coming close to todays competitors. Again, no shit. What man who last competed in 1971 had a physique like todays competitors? Nobody.
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bodybuilders main source of protein is fish, chicken, and beef
replace that with eggs, milk, and protein powder and its the same thing
during contest prep just stick with eggs and there you have it...100% vegetarian bodybuilder
how is an egg a vegetable? ::)
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suppose you were on aas/gh/insulin etc... how good do you think you could look?
Shitty. You need meat in your diet. You need the vital protiens from it. Supplements alone simply won't cut it.
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Shitty. You need meat in your diet. You need the vital protiens from it. Supplements alone simply won't cut it.
Lie
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Yeah... because this isn't phenominal. You have to be 300 pounds with a distended gut and no striations to be phenominal
That guy is pretty phenominal. Too bad all the pros can't consistantly bring that kind of conditioning to stage.
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how is an egg a vegetable? ::)
please tell me your kidding
there are MANY different types of vegetarians. The majority of them are Lacto-ovo vegetarianism (they eat eggs, dairy, and honey)
I think you're confusing vegetarianisms with Veganism
"Veganism excludes all animal products from diet and attire, whether or not their production has involved the actual death of an animal (dairy, eggs, honey, wool, silk, down feathers, etc.)."
with saying that...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to become a successful bodybuilder as a vegan, but its entirely possible being a vegetarian
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this vegetarian beast has superior pec development, and doesn't even work out ;D
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how is an egg a vegetable? ::)
You do know..... the egg that you eat.... is not living right? Rofl.... i bet you are against stem cell research and go to church to repent for your sins.
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I've cut all read meat and poultry for a couple of months before. Only eggs, fish and diaries.
Never felt so good.
what brought you back to red meat and chicken?
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I chew doc martens to avoid meat
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what brought you back to red meat and chicken?
He didn't want to miss his "window" for anabolic growth ::)
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You do know..... the egg that you eat.... is not living right? Rofl.... i bet you are against stem cell research and go to church to repent for your sins.
Hmm. Your attempt to be the second coming of TA with all the pseudo-intellectualism and hind-leg attitude is getting really tiresome. Try again.
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Hmm. Your attempt to be the second coming of TA with all the pseudo-intellectualism and hind-leg attitude is getting really tiresome. Try again.
lol he's right though
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Hmm. Your attempt to be the second coming of TA with all the pseudo-intellectualism and hind-leg attitude is getting really tiresome. Try again.
If you actually knew me or talked to TA about me you would realize how different we are. I am simply telling hte truth.
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what brought you back to red meat and chicken?
Greed.
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being vegetarian must suck bad.
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Greed.
Taste would be it for me.
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Okay decided to check out this thread and see how it's going...I have not been proven wrong on my assessments so far...yes that one guy looked really great..but looking at him from a judges point of view (yes I am now an NPC Judge) he starved himself and used too many chemicals to achieve that physique. I have been around and trained too many bodybuilders to not have an idea of whats going on. I have judged a couple of "Natural" shows lately where I would have had the competitors tested, but not my job, I only needed to judge the competitors...PLease don't try to fly one by me...I can tell from a mile away if they are natureal or not...there's so many signs...
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Yeah... because this isn't phenominal. You have to be 300 pounds with a distended gut and no striations to be phenominal
And you have proof that this man is natural because??? Or you're just posting a pic because it suits your purposes at the moment???
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this vegetarian beast has superior pec development, and doesn't even work out ;D
Yeah but he has a torn lat, a fucked up tricep and he lost to a whirlpool.
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Okay decided to check out this thread and see how it's going...I have not been proven wrong on my assessments so far...yes that one guy looked really great..but looking at him from a judges point of view (yes I am now an NPC Judge) he starved himself and used too many chemicals to achieve that physique. I have been around and trained too many bodybuilders to not have an idea of whats going on. I have judged a couple of "Natural" shows lately where I would have had the competitors tested, but not my job, I only needed to judge the competitors...PLease don't try to fly one by me...I can tell from a mile away if they are natureal or not...there's so many signs...
just to double check
you're saying that this guy is 100%, without a question of a doubt not natural?
He honestly doesn't look too huge...its his conditioning, and his muscle shape that are amazing. What exactly would make you believe he's not natural.
He posts on getbig as JRod, and says he's a lifetime natural, and I don't have any reason to believe otherwise.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159593.0;attach=181976;image)
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I put on 20 lbs as a vegetarian. It was when I first started lifting. No roids, just a lot of blind enthusiasm over several years. Although a lot of it was fat, I did max out my natural genetical potential as a vegetarian.
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Well, I'm a lifetime natural, but I'm not going to debate this. Whether someone believes I'm natural or not is totally irrelevant; after all, the thread is titled "juiced bodybuilder" (so I'm not "cheating" by being natural). Anyways...
I am actually NOT a vegetarian. I eat beef, poultry, fish, etc. However, with the exception of 1 can of tuna per workout day, one could call my diet from 4 or 5 weeks out till show time vegetarian since my protein sources were: tuna, egg whites, and whey. Furthermore, my last 4 meals of the day at this time were usually egg whites and broccoli. Last year, my diet was very similar, but I had egg whites instead of that can of tuna, so that was closer to being vegetarian. I started my diet (14 weeks out) eating 2 meals of chicken breasts a day; and off season I eat the foods mentioned above.
Speaking of vegetarian bodybuilders, I met AJ Jarrell, really nice, friendly guy, at the Team Universe and he told me that he is a vegetarian. His picture is below:
More pics of AJ: http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=browse&id=4875&eventcode=1134
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Okay decided to check out this thread and see how it's going...I have not been proven wrong on my assessments so far...yes that one guy looked really great..but looking at him from a judges point of view (yes I am now an NPC Judge) he starved himself and used too many chemicals to achieve that physique. I have been around and trained too many bodybuilders to not have an idea of whats going on. I have judged a couple of "Natural" shows lately where I would have had the competitors tested, but not my job, I only needed to judge the competitors...PLease don't try to fly one by me...I can tell from a mile away if they are natureal or not...there's so many signs...
How can you determine whether or not someone is natural based on their level of conditioning? In fact, naturals tend to be able to get a leaner and drier look than many juiced competitors. There is no reason why any healthy person could not get to this same level of conditioning naturally.
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How can you determine whether or not someone is natural based on their level of conditioning? In fact, naturals tend to be able to get a leaner and drier look than many juiced competitors. There is no reason why any healthy person could not get to this same level of conditioning naturally.
You are obviously very ill informed my friend...There is no way possible for a "Natural" to beat a juicer... when it comes to them doing the same level of conditioning...rattle your empty can some more...
Reference to Metallica...Black Album...
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You are obviously very ill informed my friend...There is no way possible for a "Natural" to beat a juicer... when it comes to them doing the same level of conditioning...rattle your empty can some more...
Reference to Metallica...Black Album...
that wasn't his question.
he asked, "How can you determine whether or not someone is natural based on their level of conditioning?"
you're so full of shit, just because you inject more needles in your ass then shlongs doesn't mean every great bodybuilder took the route that you did
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You are obviously very ill informed my friend...There is no way possible for a "Natural" to beat a juicer... when it comes to them doing the same level of conditioning...rattle your empty can some more...
Reference to Metallica...Black Album...
Of course they can. Many top naturals own juicers. Drugs destroy physiques in most cases. Are you telling me Brian Whitacre couldn't own your local juiced competitor? Go to any NPC local or state show and 9/10 of those guys are juiced. Are you telling me this man here could not beat them?
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Was I supposed to be impressed from the pics? He looks good but is hopelesly lacking in size! That is one thing that the Naturals can't fathom...You are never going to come close to the meat eating juicers! EVEFR!!! I judge shows so I know what to look for...
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Was I supposed to be impressed from the pics? He looks good but is hopelesly lacking in size! That is one thing that the Naturals can't fathom...You are never going to come close to the meat eating juicers! EVEFR!!! I judge shows so I know what to look for...
No wonder bodybuilding is in disarray. With people like you judging shows it is no wonder we have some of the pros we do. You are delusional and incapable of seeing the body in a form of art.
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Layne Norton... sure, not the best shape ever by 190lbs stage weight.... of course that is not big enough. You like the fridge physiques right? People like you are the reason why bodybuilding sucks. I bet you are so delusional and into the drug world that every morning when you wake up you have to put a razor to your face. (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/layne41_greatlake9.jpg)
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this vegetarian beast has superior pec development, and doesn't even work out ;D
hahaha, yea same with horses, they eat hay all day and are like 100% solid muscle..
We humans are running to the gym, eating every known variety of food, downing supplements and even medicines and most of us still look like a pile of shit. We are owned by the animal kingdom.
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You are obviously very ill informed my friend...There is no way possible for a "Natural" to beat a juicer... when it comes to them doing the same level of conditioning...rattle your empty can some more...
Reference to Metallica...Black Album...
Explain why a natural could not reach the same level of conditioning as a sterioid user. I would assume that you are a juicer yourself and would, of course, know a great deal on the subject. So please, tell us from a scientific standpoint why you cannot get in this shape naturally...
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bump for a response from BuffGoddess
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bump for a response from BuffGoddess
She doesn't know. Naturals are ALWAYS better conidtioned. Jrod looks sharper the Munzer there and he didn't have to dissolved his liver to do it. He did it with a 10th of the effort Munzer did and he is still alive!!
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She doesn't know. Naturals are ALWAYS better conidtioned. Jrod looks sharper the Munzer there and he didn't have to dissolved his liver to do it. He did it with a 10th of the effort Munzer did and he is still alive!!
I want to watch her try to defend her opinion though. Does anyone have a pic of BuffGoddess? I don't think I have ever seen her before.
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I want to watch her try to defend her opinion though. Does anyone have a pic of BuffGoddess? I don't think I have ever seen here before.
She doesnt think. Steroid users can certainly get lean quicker with things like t3, clen, etc, but as long as they have extra hormones in their body they will be holding water which will make it IMPOSSIBLE to get as lean as a natural. Steroids also increase appetite making the desire to cheat much greater.
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I want to watch her try to defend her opinion though. Does anyone have a pic of BuffGoddess? I don't think I have ever seen here before.
lmao SF trashed her so much last month that i think we're banned from posting her pics
she looks like a typical juiced of female bodybuilder
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Well DAMN guys! I was thinking this was going to be a "bash the vegetarian" thread and as one, I was going to stay away. I'm impressed with the responses defending the lifestyle...always surprised by getbig.com.
I have eaten a vegetarian diet for a little over two years and feel great. It wasn't planned, it gradually happened after I got into BBing. It forced me to became really aware of what I was putting in my body and the affect it had. It felt natural to start eliminating meat...I don't fully understand why, but thats life.
I dont have a problem if people choose to eat meat but I don't find it a requirement for building muscle. And the "myth" about avoiding soy because of estrogen properties is just that...a myth.
http://www.soynutrition.com/SoyHealth/SoyMyths.aspx
Soy products have a great pro/carb/fat ration...almost perfect for the bbing lifestyle. The thing to remember is that veg protein isn't the same quality as meat protein so you need to eat more to make sure you're getting enough. But that can be easily accomplished with nuts, cheese and whey. I eat cheese and the occasional egg and am able to maintain my muscle mass.
If people want to use steroids, fine. Same with meat...personal choice. But don't put down other lifestyles and perpetuate myths.
Bill Pearl claimed to only use steroids for two years and then stopped as he felt it went against a HEALTHY lifestyle which he believed was the purpose for BBing! Imagine that. He also did full body workouts and fasted 1 day a week. More myths destroyed. He also won major competitions almost for 20 years! How many pros can claim that. He is able to perform real feats of strength even today in his 70's. He claims he can still max bench 400!
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A couple more shots: I would love to have this physique.
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A couple more shots...how sweet is this side chest pose!
more pics here: http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/pearl.html
I like physiques that look good when the arms are lifted. It seems to really expose flaws so to be able to pull it off is something. I think Lee Priest can pull it off, so could Arnold, Reeves, Samir and Sergio. I think Gustav could before he got to big and distorted looking.
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yes all gays eat meat if you want s to eat a tree meybe your a mouthy whore rite LOL
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I would think you could get plenty of protein from being a vegetarian. You really don't need that much anyway.
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How many of the Mr Olympias are vegetarian??? None??? My point exactly...Why is it that at Natural shows the best guys look like they are still 6 weeks out???? Oh another point well taken...There are always going to be a freak of nature or two, but in general you guys are totally uninformed when it comes to competing in the real world, not the one you have made in your heads to defend your sad position...Pay me 5000.00 and I'll help you win a show and go to Nationals, but not as a veggie...it won't happen...Nobody has that much skill...If there's any of you who have actually trained a veggie bodybuilder that placed at Nationals, post his pic, and prove you are his trainer. I don't want people just posting pics and saying oh this guy is a vegetarian and placed here...prove it...I'll pay you for your info on how you accomplished that. BOOM!
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BOOM!
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How many of the Mr Olympias are vegetarian??? None??? My point exactly...Why is it that at Natural shows the best guys look like they are still 6 weeks out???? Oh another point well taken...There are always going to be a freak of nature or two, but in general you guys are totally uninformed when it comes to competing in the real world, not the one you have made in your heads to defend your sad position...Pay me 5000.00 and I'll help you win a show and go to Nationals, but not as a veggie...it won't happen...Nobody has that much skill...If there's any of you who have actually trained a veggie bodybuilder that placed at Nationals, post his pic, and prove you are his trainer. I don't want people just posting pics and saying oh this guy is a vegetarian and placed here...prove it...I'll pay you for your info on how you accomplished that. BOOM!
Hahaha all or nothing attitude. I love you people.
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I could be wrong, but even though whey isn't a meat, it does have dairy in it, right? I was told by a vegetarian that they don't drink milk.
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I could be wrong, but even though whey isn't a meat, it does have dairy in it, right? I was told by a vegetarian that they don't drink milk.
Depends on the type of vegetarian they are...the combinations are limitless
lacto -
ovo-
lacto-ovo
and then infinite shades of Vegan :)
"I'm a level six vegan, I don't eat anything that casts a shadow"
- The Simpsons ;D
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whey is dairy..yes.
vegans stay away from all meat and meat by products...i.e. eggs, milk, cheese..but there are vegetarians who drink milk (lacto-veg) milk and eggs (ovo-lacto)...
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I can see that we're going to have to deal with pics from the "70's as a response...colorizing doesn't count, neither does pics from over 5 years ago...HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!You guys really have to dig deep to try to prove me wrong...I'm still waiting fro the trainer< and I do mean "Certified Trainer" not some dweeb that says he trains people...I have Bachelors Degree in Health and Human Performance with minors in Psychology and Nutrition, and I have trained under one of the best on the West Coast as far as trainers go for turning glops of goo into pros...I have trained several gys and none of them have ever taken less than third in ashow. Most Take their class and Overall...as do I...I never come home with 2nd place...well hardly ever..I did this one National level show...
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BOOM!
HAHAHA - please tell me that is 'buffgodess' ?? HAHAHAHA
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Do I still have no answer from a qualifed "Certified Personal Trainer" who has trained some bodybuilder that has won even a local show? I'll bet MY guys beat the shit outta him...the best he could have taken is 3rd which is 2nd loser...My boys always win...as do my girls...and me for that matter...Okay then I will accept that I am right...you suck..I rock...eat my thong at the next event...
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BuffGoddess - is that picture above a picture of you??
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :'(
Can you repeat that in english so we can all get the joke...please Alex23 is waiting to flame you on it..
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BuffGoddess - is that picture above a picture of you??
Yes about 5 years ago...they have no clue as to the massive monster I am now...I've gotten all kinds of work done so I don't even look like the same gal..I look 25 but a huge cut monster..ask Flexington Steele if you don't believe me and Alex23 I'll take Nationals this year for sure...pro card just waiting for the ink to dry with my name on it...So I get a big laugh when they post those pics..AND ones that aren't even me...Oh yeah and might i say I had just taken Overall by unanimous decision....but anyway, thanks for the memories
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Yes about 5 years ago...they have no clue as to the massive monster I am now...I've gotten all kinds of work done so I don't even look like the same gal..I look 25 but a huge cut monster..ask Flexington Steele if you don't believe me and Alex23 I'll take Nationals this year for sure...pro card just waiting for the ink to dry with my name on it...So I get a big laugh when they post those pics..AND ones that aren't even me...
Hey, lower the test, i dont give a sh it about you getting a pro card, i was actually more concerned about the hideous man-face. And how can you look 25 now when you looked 45 5 years ago?
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Hey, lower the test, i dont give a sh it about you getting a pro card, i was actually more concerned about the hideous man-face. And how can you look 25 now when you looked 45 5 years ago?
calm down buddy, I'll give you the name of a doctor who can help you with your problems..
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calm down buddy, I'll give you the name of a doctor who can help you with your problems..
Why do you do it to yourself? Im intrigued. Is it like a transexual illness, where you deep down wish you were a man?
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Can we quit posting pics that are 5 years old??? Please..I'm a professional...find some new ones...where I'm not running a fever of 103 on show day...Don't have any??? Oh that's because the mags MD and Flex own the rights to them...But don't worry I'll sign your stupid request at the Olympia for 10 bucks...Only if Alex23 says it's okay...giggle
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Whatever dude...I'm the female form of Alex23...we are both pimps..so what you have to say to me falls on deaf ears..I'm pimpin' it out and have no problem whatsoever having whatever I want. My hearrt still belongs to Alex but the rest of me is up for the highest bidder....I don;t believe anyone has ever bid higher than Alex...but even if they had, he's such a pimp I'd wait for him to come claim his prize....
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Whatever dude...I'm the female form of Alex23...we are both pimps..so what you have to say to me falls on deaf ears..I'm pimpin' it out and have no problem whatsoever having whatever I want. My hearrt still belongs to Alex but the rest of me is up for the highest bidder....I don;t believe anyone has ever bid higher than Alex...but even if they had, he's such a pimp I'd wait for him to come claim his prize....
::). Meltdown.
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being a vegetarian is extremly unhealthy over a long period of time. there are amino acids that your body needs that it can only get from meats.
rub your tongue across the top row of your teeth.. feel the sharp ones? Thats not for lettuce sugar plum.
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Your statement about aminos isn't quite accurate. Yes, there are essential amino acids that the body can't manufacture. They must come from food; but, that isn't limited to meat (or other animal products), though getting them from meat is easier.
With the exception of soy, vegetables are incomplete proteins, which means they must be combined with grains or other veggies to make a complete protein source (with each containing the essential amino acids that the other lacks).
As for health problems, I recall reading that members of a certain Christian demonimation (known for practising vegetarianism) tend to live 11 years longer than their meat-eating counterparts.
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How much do you weigh Jrod? At what height?
At this year's Team Universe, I weighed in at 175. Height is 5'9"