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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: D.L. 5 on July 27, 2007, 06:14:57 AM
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Just re-watched the contest. Mike Mentzer....no wonder why he shunned weider and the corrupt ifbb.
U gotta love Arnold but at the same time u gotta be fair. Hard ripped raw mass of MR MENTZER, which at the time no one else had. he was ahead of his time.
i would also like to mention a few things:
The posing! what happened to classical posing...this contest made me realise how shit the current posing is. its all gay ass poses to r n b ...i mean fuck off! how about some smooth classical transitions into the poses. (I AM ALSO REFERRING TO THE GREAT CHOICE OF CLASSICAL TUNES)
also the midsections! these days they cant even hit a vacuum, their waists are fuckin disgusting. something has to be done.... a fucking pregnant dog could go on stage and have a better waist.
FUCK THIS SHIT! I'M JUST GONNA WATCH OLD CONTESTS.
ADD YOUR OPINIONS.
MELTDOWN MOTHERFUCKERS!
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IM PISSED OFF!
AND MILOS SHOVE YOUR SHAKES UP UR ASS!
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He was no where close to the best that day, everyone ahead of him had by far better development where as he only thing he had going for him was his conditioning. That alone does not make you Mister Olympia otherwise Dex, Andreas, Makhaway, Paco, etc. would have won it.
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He was no where close to the best that day, everyone ahead of him had by far better development where as he only thing he had going for him was his conditioning. That alone does not make you Mister Olympia otherwise Dex, Andreas, Makhaway, Paco, etc. would have won it.
REGARDLESS SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD HAVE WON.
AND IT Just brought up how the current day posing is shit.
they had classical transitions into their poses, dramatic music. these days its fucked.
and the waists...........what a huge difference
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I'm a big Mentzer fan but he was FIFTH that day. Even if Arnie was not in the show, there is NO WAY Mike would have beaten Roy Callender :-\
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roy calendar placed later than mike though, he was 7th.
ahead of mike were: 1
Arnold Schwarzenegger USA
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Chris Dickerson USA
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Frank Zane USA
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Boyer Coe
i do agree though that roy looked great. in fact nearly all competitors looked great that year, it was a fantastic contest to watch again.
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Arnold totally destroyed Mentzer in '80.
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you have the video 1980 mr. O?
or was it just totall rebuild?
cant tell shit from that video.
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well can someone upload it ??
i dont feel like paying for it...
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Arnold definately destroyed their minds, thats for sure. :D
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You wanna see people get robbed?
What about the one where Padilla should have won? He raped Columbo but finished like 5th. ::)
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Roy should have def beat Mentzer, I will see if I can find pics of him. He are some others though.
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you have the video 1980 mr. O?
or was it just totall rebuild?
cant tell shit from that video.
yes i watched the real contest video, every contestant posing. and yes lol, when arnold lost they boo the shit out of him. there is outrage over zane's position and also the great mike mentzer.
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Roy should have def beat Mentzer, I will see if I can find pics of him. He are some others though.
dude u gotta see the actual rolling video footage. the photos dont mean shit. believe me.
overall i would say, mike had the best overall combination of size and conditioning. frank zane looked crazy ripped but would be nice if he was bigger. roy calender looked fantastic but he was missing something, the whole package was a little off and his posing routine was no way near the best. arnold had a great rear double biceps shot but he looked small on several angles and he wasnt conditioned like the others. roger walker looked huge and ripped but a little blocky.
what i loved the most about watching this contest was the posing, the classical music, and the small waists.
the greatest elements of bodybuilding, all of which are not present in todays game.
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That is my black and white photo in the line up. I was the only photographer who was in the middle of the audience complete with tripod and telephoto lens. I got John Balik a seat beside me for the evening show. Then my camera jammed before the posedown! I sold my photos to Robert Nailon who sold many images to Kennedy and Ironman. I never sent any images in to Joe.
A case can be made for any of the top guys to be the winner. Even Danny Padilla who was never compared. Tinerino and Walker also impressed. Callendar won a Mr Universe in Sydney in 79 so was a crowd favourite.
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vince, is just me or did pretty much all the competitors looked great. one of the best olympias ever.
my friend was in the crowd, he said everyone boo'd arnold badly and i said to him did u boo arnold and he replied "No, i could never boo arnold" lol
did u hang out with mike during his stay in aus at the olympia, wat did he look like in person at the show, also did u see him after the result.
i read once that frank zane was so pissed off at the bullshit result that he smashed his trophy backstage.
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yes i watched the real contest video, every contestant posing. and yes lol, when arnold lost they boo the shit out of him. there is outrage over zane's position and also the great mike mentzer.
can you be a nice sport and upload it
pliiiiiiizzzzz
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can you be a nice sport and upload it
pliiiiiiizzzzz
how?
its a vhs copy????? i got it back in the day before dvds
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how?
its a vhs copy????? i got it back in the day before dvds
ok. never mind then.
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Mike Mentzer was an intellectual midget when it came to compare with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Pre-contest time 1980 Mike Mentzer was at Gold's gym on the same day Arnold was training and was going nuts trying to figure out just why Arnold was training so hard for the past couple of weeks.
QUOTE from Arnold Schwarzenegger-a portrait- by George Butler-
Arnold---"I win" he said. "Don't worry. I do not need to control the judges. I controle the bodybuilders." He looked positively gleeful."already Mike Mentzer has left the gym this morning!" I said,'why?' he said,'you're driving me crazy with that smile.' "
I looked at Eddie, (Guiliani), who nodded solemnly. " I saw the whole thing," he said.
" So this afternoon he misses training to see a shrink," Arnold said proudly. "And he pays him to analyze me! He sould remember that another Austrian was King of the shrinks. I could advise him for free.
He then turned back to the preacher curls for the next set.
"Excuse me" Arnold said while taking a deep breath,"while I continue my savage training program."
It matters not how many times you watch the video of that Mr Olympia the outcome will always be the same. Like wars of history the war of the pen and word will always go on.
Arnold was the better bodybuilder/showman/personality of that night and nobody came close to beating him on these 3 levels. It's high time you guys realize that this contest is not based on physique alone. Even if it where Arnold was still better that anything on that stage even though he himself was not in his prime.
End of subject.
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Hard to judge from the pics if you have ever been to a show and then seen pics in the mags afterwards you realize how different it looks in photos compared to the actual contest.
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no. he was not the best bodybuilder that nite. the competitors all said the same. the fans said the same. even the crowd boo'd him off. now when does a crowd boo arnold! u gotta get serious with urself, and remove arnold's penis from ur ass.
also the judging was rigged.
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About the booing at the 80 Olympia. When Arnold was announced the winner there was a lot of booing but there was also cheering. The booing faded and the cheering continued. Arnold was very popular in Sydney. A lot of bodybuilders weren't happy with the result. I gave the contest to Arnold and it was confirmed after looking at all the photos I took at the judging and evening show. He had the best arms and chest and his back and calves looked good, too. Only his thighs let him down a bit. Dickerson had small arms. Zane wasn't very big. Coe had few abs. Mentzer had a gut in some poses. Walker was blocky. Callender wasn't as sharp as he was in 79. Tinerino was perhaps the hardest guy but somehow wasn't near the top. Danny was the biggest, size for size, but was totally overlooked and never compared. Platz was weak in his upper body. Waller wasn't that cut. And so it goes.......Arnold first and the rest second.
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Mikes problems with alcohol and amphetamine have been well documented. But why didnt anybody recognise that his self-destruction was imminent?Surely somone in the industry could see that this guy was spiralling out of control? Just a pity that he could not have been saved from himself.
Mike is one of Pro Bodybuilding's nut-jobs! Yes, a true and intelligent nut-job!
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Ray tried to help Mike but he regretted letting Mike get involved in running his gym in the early 80s. Later Mike looked after Ray. Quite sad what happened to both of them.
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dude u gotta see the actual rolling video footage. the photos dont mean shit. believe me.
Well then post the footage or something because of all the clips and pics I have seen Arnold won and all the Arnold haters seem to be bitter cause he did it at 75-80%. Arnold was the best ever for a reason, no one in his time even compared until the 1980 Mr. O and he still won hands down.
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About the booing at the 80 Olympia. When Arnold was announced the winner there was a lot of booing but there was also cheering. The booing faded and the cheering continued. Arnold was very popular in Sydney. A lot of bodybuilders weren't happy with the result. I gave the contest to Arnold and it was confirmed after looking at all the photos I took at the judging and evening show. He had the best arms and chest and his back and calves looked good, too. Only his thighs let him down a bit. Dickerson had small arms. Zane wasn't very big. Coe had few abs. Mentzer had a gut in some poses. Walker was blocky. Callender wasn't as sharp as he was in 79. Tinerino was perhaps the hardest guy but somehow wasn't near the top. Danny was the biggest, size for size, but was totally overlooked and never compared. Platz was weak in his upper body. Waller wasn't that cut. And so it goes.......Arnold first and the rest second.
Your the only one giving an honest report on what happened that night, I knew you could be useful sometimes. Your one of the few people around who can give us the actual low down on how everything looked and happened during the show. I hold this opinion of yours highly because it's known your not the biggest fan of Arnold as a person but you still recognize greatness when you see it.
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Arnold definately destroyed their minds, thats for sure. :D
Well, yours at least since you still buy that theory. He's gotten a lot of mileage out of it, as you prove.
Mentzer would never have won, he didn't have the leaness of Schwarzenegger or Zane despite the rhetoric from some about conditioning. Abs and thigs were both a little smooth, and chest was never great.
Schwarzenegger despite the flaws still looked better than the rest.
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A lot of people booed but when the Joe raised Arnold's hand the booing stopped and the cheering continued. In the movie The Comeback made of the show they omitted the booing, I heard, but there you are it happened. It wasn't that they booed Arnold but the decision. Once he beamed and accepted the Sandow all was forgotten and Sydney celebrated Arnold as the champion.
I was on the harbour cruise after the contest. Joe Weider was there and Arnold and Franco and most of the competitors. Zane went back to the Hilton and Mike Mentzer, Boyer Coe and Dennis Tinerino didn't come. That was the last time they presented trophies to the place getters. No one in history has torn up a cheque! Those who missed the boat missed a great outing. Casey Viator told me, "Hey kid, is it 10 years since we won our titles?!" I had to laugh because I was much older than Casey was. Arnold came to my gym the next day with Franco who put on a seminar there. Franco seemed to know more about the art of chiropractic than bodybuilding!
When the booing was occurring I wondered what would happen and how Arnold would take it. Nobody expected the booing. It was spontaneous but didn't persist and the rest is history. A lot of fans would have placed Arnold first. I mean, could you place him second to the others?
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no. he was not the best bodybuilder that nite. the competitors all said the same. the fans said the same. even the crowd boo'd him off. now when does a crowd boo arnold! u gotta get serious with urself, and remove arnold's penis from ur ass.
also the judging was rigged.
go fuck yourself.
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go fuck yourself.
MELTDOWN
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I was on the harbour cruise after the contest. Joe Weider was there and Arnold and Franco and most of the competitors. Zane went back to the Hilton and Mike Mentzer, Boyer Coe and Dennis Tinerino didn't come.
MORE INSIGHTS PLEASE.
also do u think arnold believes he should have won?
I think he looked small in certain poses compared to the others. and their conditioning was much better.
his rear double biceps however blows anyone away in history of bodybuilding. for some reason his arms seem to have a definition and detail none others have. do u think that is genetic? i am speaking mainly on the outer arm
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It turned out that the contest was between Arnold, Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane. Well, when those three were compared Arnold blew them away in some poses. Chris looked fabulous by himself and posed to perfection. Zane presented himself like the champion he was. Coe had the best routine because every pose showed him looking great.
The comparisons sorted out the finalists and Arnold standing beside a small Zane and an even shorter Dickerson really dominated those guys. You should have seen the difference in the side chest. Contest over. Same goes for triceps. Naturally, Arnold sneaked in a biceps shot while doing the triceps pose! Dickerson had better legs than Arnold but not better proportions. Plus, there was something funny about Chris' elbows. They stood out and detracted from his arms.
One after one of the top guys impressed after doing their posing routines. Matter of fact several of the top guys got 20 out of 20 in that round, same as what Arnold got. The comparisons gave Arnold the edge. The posing rounds also created the closeness that we saw in the final tally. Had they not had rounds Arnold would have won easily. Instead, the judges gave someone 20 and then when others came out he had to give them 20 as well. That happened a lot during the judging. There were only a few judges who separated the men in each round. Not as easy thing to do so I am not blaming the judging. The IFBB executive would have been oblivious to the shortcomings in their judging system and that same method is still used which is partly responsible for the controversial decisions ever since 1980 and perhaps before.
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The 80 Olympia should have resulted in a revamped judging system.
Okay, follow what happened. Three rounds where each competitor is scored out of 20. First guy comes out and looks fabulous so you score him 20. The next guy looks as good. Give him 20 as well. The 3rd guy wasn't as good as the first 2 so you give him 19. Then the 4th guy looks better than any of the previous guys what do you score him? Well, the same 20.
What should happen is after the first competitor you collect scores and then award the competitor 15 and have room for better competitors.
Sure Arnold was a bit small on his thighs. The rest of him was as good as his 75 shape. Nowhere near as good as 73. However, the other guys weren't anywhere near as big as Arnold. Well, except for Danny Padilla who was short and no one bothered to rate him high.
After the show we had a meeting at my gym where the fans and bodybuilders were really upset. We formed a new organization after that and Paul Graham continued to run his IFBB shows. In 1982 John Terilli won our show and we sent him to NABBA where he won his class in the Mr Universe and lost the overall to John Brown who apparently outposed him.
We evolved a judging process that took care of two requirements. First, to fairly separate the bodybuilders and second, to make sure no one was overlooked. We had the men stand in a line where they were introduced to the audience. Even at the judging. The open competitors were first because why should they have to wait until all the juniors, etc., did their thing? We did the front, side, back, side, front standing lineup. Then competitors left the stage and came back individually to pose. Judges took down the numbers of those who impressed so that they could be compared later. After the posing everyone was brought back in a lineup and then groups were brought out to be compared. This process continued until every judge was happy he could place the top guys. At this point the judging process was completed and the supervisor tallied the scores and then printed out the results that were distributed after the final placings were announced. Every score of every judge was on that printout. The supervisor might announce the closeness of the contest so that the audience would appreciate what happened during the judging. We never received any complaints about the judging.
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a strange contest to say the least mike mentzer raved about this for many years personally ieould have had coe first arnold second
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Take that all you Vince Basile bashers! Thankyou Vince for your tremendous insight. You are a true historian.
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Vince definately had the best seat in the house, judging by this photo he took.
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Mike definately one of the greats
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I honestly beleive Arnold has the greatest Bodybuilding Mind on the Planet.He was only 80% in 80 MrO it was a brilliant move to put Mike Menzter in 5th and not give him second or the conspiracy theroies would have spirraled.
Menzter was screwed to bad his fragile mind collapsed he should have continued BB in another federation.
Arnold was allways going to win he and Joe Weider was genius i bet they sold a stack of magazines.
I,m not taking anything away from Arnold he was a Legend.
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I honestly beleive Arnold has the greatest Bodybuilding Mind on the Planet.He was only 80% in 80 MrO it was a brilliant move to put Mike Menzter in 5th and not give him second or the conspiracy theroies would have spirraled.
Menzter was screwed to bad his fragile mind collapsed he should have continued BB in another federation.
Arnold was allways going to win he and Joe Weider was genius i bet they sold a stack of magazines.
I,m not taking anything away from Arnold he was a Legend.
clever man....now this is a clever anecdote.
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I honestly beleive Arnold has the greatest Bodybuilding Mind on the Planet.He was only 80% in 80 MrO it was a brilliant move to put Mike Menzter in 5th and not give him second or the conspiracy theroies would have spirraled.
Menzter was screwed to bad his fragile mind collapsed he should have continued BB in another federation.
Arnold was allways going to win he and Joe Weider was genius i bet they sold a stack of magazines.
I,m not taking anything away from Arnold he was a Legend.
I agree there,
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Mike was a great BB, but that contest went to Arnold. Mike looked good standing alone, but fades away standing next to Arnold. If any O was rigged it was 1981, but fuk it.
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idont think his shape in 1980 was as good as 1975 his side chest was weaker than pictures of 1975 arnold was 227 pounds bwt in 1975 what was hi bwt in 1980
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idont think his shape in 1980 was as good as 1975 his side chest was weaker than pictures of 1975 arnold was 227 pounds bwt in 1975 what was hi bwt in 1980
I believe it was between 215-220lbs from what I've heard.
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arnold wanted to put the small soldiers like zane and mentzer in their place . his hair looked like he was out of the shower . no combing no nothing . small sport . . and arnold presence and name helped him to win .
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Well, yours at least since you still buy that theory. He's gotten a lot of mileage out of it, as you prove.
Mentzer would never have won, he didn't have the leaness of Schwarzenegger or Zane despite the rhetoric from some about conditioning. Abs and thigs were both a little smooth, and chest was never great.
Schwarzenegger despite the flaws still looked better than the rest.
I see why Pumpster left the forum. Mentzer didn't have the leanness of Arnie or Zane? ROTFLOL. It's clear he actually sacrificed size for conditioning (hence the myth that he had "no chest" in 1980. Look again. It's nowhere near as big as Walker's or Arnold's, but it's dense and hard as stone, as were his abs and thighs.
I do tend to think Arnold should've won. People piss and moan about it since he was nowhere near his best, but his shitty, slimmer form was still entirely too much for that field. It'd take a Haney to beat an in-shape Arnold, and Lee was years away.
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bumpity bump
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Arnold even at 80% still won that show. For me the film really tells without question he should have won. Everyone looked like crap next to him. Zane was ripped but to small. Dickerson looked fantastic but next to Arnold you couldn't give it to him. Danny looked good but he was to smooth. Mentzer didn't come in second or third or even forth. He was fifth in the contest. I know his fans a rabid but there is no way he should have won.
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Arnold even at 80% still won that show. For me the film really tells without question he should have won. Everyone looked like crap next to him. Zane was ripped but to small. Dickerson looked fantastic but next to Arnold you couldn't give it to him. Danny looked good but he was to smooth. Mentzer didn't come in second or third or even forth. He was fifth in the contest. I know his fans a rabid but there is no way he should have won.
EXACTLY....I am a Mentzer fan but Arnold won fair and square...
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Arnold totally destroyed Mentzer in '80.
Even if Arnold weren't there, Mentzer got beaten hands down by both Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane (who beat him previous year).
Mentzer just didn't have it, that day. No amount of revisionist history changes that. Mentzer would NOT HAVE BEEN MR. OLYMPIA, Arnold or no Arnold).
How do you lose to Zane and expect to beat Arnold?
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Even if Arnold weren't there, Mentzer got beaten hands down by both Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane (who beat him previous year).
Mentzer just didn't have it, that day. No amount of revisionist history changes that. Mentzer would NOT HAVE BEEN MR. OLYMPIA, Arnold or no Arnold).
How do you lose to Zane and expect to beat Arnold?
I agree you can bitch & moan all you'd like about Arnold not being first but Mentzer sure as fuck wasn't
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I took a lot of photos at the 80 Olympia. B & W during the prejudging and colour slides at the evening show. I took one of Mike that could be used to support the argument that he was the best guy there. Trouble was Chris, Frank and Arnold looked better. Boyer posed to perfection. What can I say, there were several top contenders that year. As a spectator and photographer there is no way I would have placed Mike first. Dickerson was the inform guy and posed like a champion.
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I took a lot of photos at the 80 Olympia. B & W during the prejudging and colour slides at the evening show. I took one of Mike that could be used to support the argument that he was the best guy there. Trouble was Chris, Frank and Arnold looked better. Boyer posed to perfection. What can I say, there were several top contenders that year. As a spectator and photographer there is no way I would have placed Mike first. Dickerson was the inform guy and posed like a champion.
awesome pics of Mentzer
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awesome pics of Mentzer
Well Vince, I was at the Opera House too & Arnold's "victory" was a joke.
Australian suppose to be judges Frank Burwash & Jan Jansen, left early because they realized what was going on.
Jan told me that Paul Graham inform him 2 weeks before contest about Arnold's entry.
Actually apartheid's Mr.Olympia 1975 was more controversial, Serge Nubret as a black man simply could not win there.
Liked or not Reg Park (organizer of Olympia) was a part of that oppressive regime.
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Mikes problems with alcohol and amphetamine have been well documented. But why didnt anybody recognise that his self-destruction was imminent?Surely somone in the industry could see that this guy was spiralling out of control? Just a pity that he could not have been saved from himself.
Mike is one of Pro Bodybuilding's nut-jobs! Yes, a true and intelligent nut-job!
They did not care.
Same as with everything else in the world. If you don't take care of yourself, nobody else will, unless they get paid to do it.
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Well Vince, I was at the Opera House too & Arnold's "victory" was a joke.
Australian suppose to be judges Frank Burwash & Jan Jansen, left early because they realized what was going on.
Jan told me that Paul Graham inform him 2 weeks before contest about Arnold's entry.
Actually apartheid's Mr.Olympia 1975 was more controversial, Serge Nubret as a black man simply could not win there.
Liked or not Reg Park (organizer of Olympia) was a part of that oppressive regime.
Neither Frank Burwash nor Jan Jansen judged the 80 Olympia. Neither did Peter McCarthy who was supposed to judge. I was standing with Frank and Peter at the Opera House just before the prejudging and someone told Pete the meeting had already began. He wasn't pleased to hear that and raced off to the meeting only to be told he was late so
would be used only as a spare judge! This was unadulterated bullshit. Peter was Mr Australia several times and well respected in Australia. Who did they use in his place? Young Brendan Ryan who won a controversial Junior Mr Australia. As it turned out Brendan put Arnold first and didn't tie anyone with him in any rounds. So Brendan's vote was very important in the results. Peter didn't put Arnold first and we will never know the outcome had they used him instead of Brendan. Brendan was mates with Arnold and I heard that he
stayed with Arnold in LA when he visited the states. Anyway, most of the judges were mates of Arnold....or business associates in the sense that they had put on shows where Arnold appeared.
After the show finished I didn't talk to many who thought Arnold was the winner. Guys from my gym favoured Chris Dickerson. Some of us went on the harbour cruise for competitors, judges, officials and guests. I met Joe Weider and talked to Casey Viator and many other champs. That was a great outing. Mentzer, Zane and a few other disgruntled competitors didn't show up. Robert Nailon drove Frank Zane back to their hotel but Christine told Robert Frank didn't want any company. So Robert missed the cruise, too, and he wasn't pleased about that. Arnold and Frank stayed at the downtown Hilton whereas most of the contestants were staying at a big hotel at Bondi Beach. Frank wouldn't stay there because of the cockroaches. They are huge in Australia and quite scary if you haven't seen them before.
I developed my photos of the pre-judging and after comparing everyone from the photos concluded that Arnold was the best. Not by much by just enough to justify his winning. To me bodybuilding was mostly about size with shape and aesthetics next. Arnold dwarfed everyone with his huge arms and chest. His calves were big, too. Then you had his reputation. So the unthinkable didn't happen in Sydney and it remains one of the most controversial contests even to this day. I have the original judges sheets somewhere but the results were published in the magazines so that isn't a secret. Danny Padilla impressed me in the photos and I wondered how he would have placed in a contest where they used photos because, size for size, he was the biggest and most proportionate guy there. As it was he wasn't placed in the top 6.
The trouble with the IFBB judging system is that they can correct small 'errors' in judging. How do they do that? Well, if a contest is close they can talk to judges between the judging and show and sometimes adjustments are made so that 'correct' results occur. The posedown is essentially a rejudging of the show and some judges have changed votes then. How anyone can judge guys is a posedown is a mystery to me but history shows that the posedown occasionally altered results from the pre-judging.
I knew about Arnold enterring weeks before the contest. We sold 200 tickets to the show and I had to visit Paul at home when he lived near Bondi.
Peter McCarthy can be seen to the left of Mike's head in this photo. So he was at the meeting and could have been clued into what he missed.
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Examine the judges' results and you have to shake your head. Albert Busek should have been replaced because he literally wasn't separating the competitors. He gave out 17 maximum 20 scores in the three rounds. Something like 58 maximum 20 scores were handed out by the 7 judges over the three rounds. That isn't separating the competitors. Placings instead of points would have avoided the mess that resulted in the 80 Olympia. Ben tried to impress the Olympic committee by having this system. Over in England they already had a fair system in the NABBA Universe. We still have controversial contests to this day. Bill Pearl did win over Sergio at a Pro NABBA Universe so controvery does occur in England, too. The IFBB Olympia was controversial many, many times over the years. Mid seventies to 1982. Remember when Sergio wasn't allowed to compete in 1971? So on and so forth. Not anything the IFFB should be proud of. A total revamp of the organization would help but the whole shebang is too far gone to reverse the damage done over the years.
Arnold, Chris, Frank, Boyer, Mike, Roger, Roy, Dennis and even Ed Corney scored at least one perfect 20 score in the contest. What does that tell us? It was a close contest. Any one of the finalists could have won.
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Coe got a gift IMO
Dickerson looked great
Mentzer looked fantastic by himself, when compared, his flaws stood out
Zane, although I'm a big fan, shouldve pulled out after the accident, and come back strong in 81. Its a pity, because he was in phenomenal shape and bigger than ever, even with the 'fix' , he may have just looked too good for an underpar arnie.
Arnold is arnold, it is what it is. He sells. He put bbing on the map, and made weider rich
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Mentzer should indeed have won.
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1980 was made into a big deal because Arnold was involved, but Franco's win in '81 was more controversial.
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yes size mattered too much back ten . arnold lacked professionalism at that show . his arms were great but i dint agree he was as good as 1975 .. in 1975 he already played catch up and came in lighter than usual to win . at 226 pounds he was still great . in 1980 . he had his reputation . no surprising he was booed . arms and chest .. his chest was not as great as usual either . but nobody among the finalist dickerson mentzer or zane had a great side chest either . coe was a bit better here ..he was lucky this time . it was 32 years ago ....
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yes size mattered too much back ten . arnold lacked professionalism at that show . his arms were great but i dint agree he was as good as 1975 .. in 1975 he already played catch up and came in lighter than usual to win . at 226 pounds he was still great . in 1980 . he had his reputation . no surprising he was booed . arms and chest .. his chest was not as great as usual either . but nobody among the finalist dickerson mentzer or zane had a great side chest either . coe was a bit better here ..he was lucky this time . it was 32 years ago ....
Arnold wasn't competing against Arnold 1974/1975 that's irrelevant
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That's why I'm a fan of Olympic lifting and running. The winner lifts more and the fastest comes in first.
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That's why I'm a fan of Olympic lifting and running. The winner lifts more and the fastest comes in first.
Even that can be controversial.
Remember the Olympic Press? In the end it looked more like a standing Incline Press.
...Or in swimming, with the competitors that wear special swim suits to reduce drag/resistance. Now everyone wears them, but is it fair?
Seen the shoes that the modern day sprinter wears? Put them on a competitor from 50 years ago along with today's accurate timing equipment and I wonder how much we have really progressed!
Back to the topic at hand. IMHO: I think Arnold should have won, but Mentzer was robbed being put in 5th. He should have been pushing Arnold for the top spot!
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Even that can be controversial.
Remember the Olympic Press? In the end it looked more like a standing Incline Press.
...Or in swimming, with the competitors that wear special swim suits to reduce drag/resistance. Now everyone wears them, but is it fair?
Seen the shoes that the modern day sprinter wears? Put them on a competitor from 50 years ago along with today's accurate timing equipment and I wonder how much we have really progressed!
Back to the topic at hand. IMHO: I think Arnold should have won, but Mentzer was robbed being put in 5th. He should have been pushing Arnold for the top spot!
I agree with this...but to me its kind of irrelevant..I think the real issue is SHOULD ARNOLD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO COMPETE IN THE FIRST PLACE???...didn't he pull some strings to get into the competition???
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1980 was made into a big deal because Arnold was involved, but Franco's win in '81 was more controversial.
no doubt about franco,s win being shady, franco was the man in the 70,s but he looked horrible in 81. besides his bitch tits his legs look like spaghetti standing next to the golden eagle.
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About the booing at the 80 Olympia. When Arnold was announced the winner there was a lot of booing but there was also cheering. The booing faded and the cheering continued. Arnold was very popular in Sydney. A lot of bodybuilders weren't happy with the result. I gave the contest to Arnold and it was confirmed after looking at all the photos I took at the judging and evening show. He had the best arms and chest and his back and calves looked good, too. Only his thighs let him down a bit. Dickerson had small arms. Zane wasn't very big. Coe had few abs. Mentzer had a gut in some poses. Walker was blocky. Callender wasn't as sharp as he was in 79. Tinerino was perhaps the hardest guy but somehow wasn't near the top. Danny was the biggest, size for size, but was totally overlooked and never compared. Platz was weak in his upper body. Waller wasn't that cut. And so it goes.......Arnold first and the rest second.
Interesting and valuable view , thanks.
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although arnold was about 85% of the 75 arnold, it was still good enough to win that day imo
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1980 was made into a big deal because Arnold was involved, but Franco's win in '81 was more controversial.
the contest promoter arranged a nice little show for franco
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Great info Vince!
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although arnold was about 85% of the 75 arnold, it was still good enough to win that day imo
had terrible legs though...wow
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To me bodybuiding is mostly about getting big. Doing it naturally, of course. So a guy like Arnold with that huge chest, huge arms and big calves is mostly what bodybuilding is all about. Along comes those silly contests and we have other standards. A guy like Paul Dillett was the best bodybuilder in the world in the early ninties but because of the way contests are judged he never won the Mr Olympia. Who cares how guys look posing on a stage for other blokes? It is how you look in the gym and walking around. Tall guys with huge arms and wide shoulders stand out and look amazing. That is what most of us wannabes want. Unfortunately the shorter guys can't get taller so all they can do is get bigger. Several small guys have done well in contests. Franco and Lee are two exceptional guys. Tom Platz, Larry Scott, Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane are not tall but won big titles.
So along comes the Mr Olympia in 1980 where it was wide open and just about everyone showed up to try to win. There was Frank Zane returning to win a fourth straight title. Mike Mentzer claimed a perfect score in a Mr Universe and believed his methods were superior ,so he should be given the title. Boyer Coe had won several Mr Universe titles and was overdue to be Mr Olympia. Chris Dickerson was hot in 79-80 winning many of the pro shows. Roy Callendar won a Mr Universe in Sydney at the Opera House in 1979 so was a favourite. Dennis Tinerino got big and cut and hoped to win as well. Casey Viator was there huge but not so cut. Ken Waller gave it a go. Roger Walker was the local champion and big as a house. He made the finals which was a good result for him. Danny Padilla was there but being short didn't help and he didn't make the cut. A pity because he should have been in the top six. Samir Bannout was there but he didn't stand out that year. Tom Platz had those huge legs but was out of proportion. Surprizingly he almost won in 81. Then there was Arnold. We wondered what he was going to look like and were surprised to see a smaller but more cut version in 1980. That set the stage for a wide open contest because there was no standout physique. Of course, Arnold changed all that when he started posing. He even cheated a couple of times and did biceps shots in rounds where he wasn't supposed to do that. Like when he was showing his triceps.
When the judges handed out 58 perfect scores in the 3 rounds this demonstrated how close the judging was. It also revealed how totally foolish and inadequate the rounds system was. The judges weren't able to separate the contestants in the rounds without comparisons. A guy comes out and looks great so he gets 20 the next guy looks just as good so he also gets 20. In other sports like gymnastics the judges get together after the first score and adjust it so that there is room for someone to score much higher. This isn't done in the IFBB that I am aware of. The rounds system should be discarded. I so hate that stand front, side, back, side and front. How the hell is anyone suppose to judge the guys and then remember how they looked so they can be rated against the others. It simply cannot be done accurately without comparisons. They can have rounds but merely to select the finalists. Comparisons should be used and this has to be thorough and complete. There is no need for a posedown. There should be no opportunity for judges to discuss the contest nor anyone else talk to the judges about the contest. That is plainly not good enough. Do the judging once and that is it. If someone missed the timing and looks better at night then too bad, the judging is over. That is the only way to have fair and honest contests. That and having a transparent system of selecting the judges in the first place. All results from all judges should be published after every single contest at all levels. It can be done because we did that in Sydney in an amateur organization that was started because of the dissatisfaction resulting from the 1980 Mr Olympia. A meeting was held at my gym and those present voted to start a new organization. We decided to present a trophy to Chris Dickerson as the Mr Olympia 1980. Someone took the trophy to California and presented it to Chris. I have no idea what he thought about it but there you are. A lot of people were not happy about what happened at the Opera House when Arnold was given the title. People booed and that is the first time Arnold was booed after a contest. We saw Arnold and Franco in our gym the next day because Franco was giving a seminar. Arnold sure wasn't the huge guy who gave a seminar at my gym in 1974.
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no he was even lighter in australia than he was in south africa in 1975 . when he played catching up already after the movie stay hungry .. but his name was there .. he wnted to compete and showed them who was king . arnold a gambler an opportunist ..
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"Thanks Joe, No Arnold....Thank you...I mean really"
Just Comeback next year and make it number 8 "
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To me bodybuiding is mostly about getting big. Doing it naturally, of course. So a guy like Arnold with that huge chest, huge arms and big calves is mostly what bodybuilding is all about. Along comes those silly contests and we have other standards. A guy like Paul Dillett was the best bodybuilder in the world in the early ninties but because of the way contests are judged he never won the Mr Olympia. Who cares how guys look posing on a stage for other blokes? It is how you look in the gym and walking around. Tall guys with huge arms and wide shoulders stand out and look amazing. That is what most of us wannabes want. Unfortunately the shorter guys can't get taller so all they can do is get bigger. Several small guys have done well in contests. Franco and Lee are two exceptional guys. Tom Platz, Larry Scott, Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane are not tall but won big titles.
So along comes the Mr Olympia in 1980 where it was wide open and just about everyone showed up to try to win. There was Frank Zane returning to win a third straight title. Mike Mentzer claimed a perfect score in a Mr Universe and believed his methods were superior so he should be given the title. Boyer Coe had won several Mr Universe titles and was overdue to be Mr Olympia. Chris Dickerson was hot in 79-80 winning many of the pro shows. Roy Callendar won a Mr Universe in Sydney at the Opera House in 1979 so was a favourite. Dennis Tinerino got big and cut and hoped to win as well. Casey Viator was there huge but not so cut. Ken Waller gave it a go. Roger Walker was the local champion and big as a house. He made the finals which was a good result for him. Danny Padilla was there but being short didn't help and he didn't make the cut. A pity because he should have been in the top six. Samir Bannout was there but he didn't stand out that year. Tom Platz had those huge legs but was out of proportion. Surprizingly he almost won in 81. Then there was Arnold. We wondered what he was going to look like and were surprised to see a smaller but more cut version in 1980. That set the stage for a wide open contest because there was no standout physique. Of course, Arnold changed all that when he started posing. He even cheated a couple of times and did biceps shots in rounds where he wasn't supposed to do that. Like when he was showing his triceps.
When the judges handed out 58 perfect scores in the 3 rounds this demonstrated how close the judging was. It also revealed how totally foolish and inadequate the rounds system was. The judges weren't able to separate the contestants in the rounds without comparisons. A guy comes out and looks great so he gets 20 the next guy looks just as good so he also gets 20. In other sports like gymnastics the judges get together after the first score and adjust it so that there is room for someone to score much higher. This isn't done in the IFBB that I am aware of. The rounds system should be discarded. I so hate that stand front, side, back, side and front. How the hell is anyone suppose to judge the guys and then remember how they looked so they can be rated against the others. It simply cannot be done accurately without comparisons. They can have rounds but merely to select the finalists. Comparisons should be used and this has to be thorough and complete. There is no need for a posedown. There should be no opportunity for judges to discuss the contest nor anyone else talk to the judges about the contest. That is plainly not good enough. Do the judging once and that is it. If someone missed the timing and looks better at night then too bad, the judging is over. That is the only way to have fair and honest contests. That and having a transparent system of selecting the judges in the first place. All results from all judges should be published after every single contest at all levels. It can be done because we did that in Sydney in an amateur organization that was started because of the dissatisfaction resulting from the 1980 Mr Olympia. A meeting was held at my gym and those present voted to start a new organization. We decided to present a trophy to Chris Dickerson as the Mr Olympia 1980. Someone took the trophy to California and presented it to Chris. I have no idea what he thought about it but there you are. A lot of people were not happy about what happened at the Opera House when Arnold was given the title. People booed and that is the first time Arnold was booed after a contest. We saw Arnold and Franco in our gym the next day because Franco was giving a seminar. Arnold sure wasn't the huge guy who gave a seminar at my gym in 1974.
This.
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Hey Vince you dont have any of those pictures from that particular day?
If so, Have you posted some here yet?
Thanks.
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To me bodybuiding is mostly about getting big. Doing it naturally, of course. So a guy like Arnold with that huge chest, huge arms and big calves is mostly what bodybuilding is all about. Along comes those silly contests and we have other standards. A guy like Paul Dillett was the best bodybuilder in the world in the early ninties but because of the way contests are judged he never won the Mr Olympia. Who cares how guys look posing on a stage for other blokes? It is how you look in the gym and walking around. Tall guys with huge arms and wide shoulders stand out and look amazing. That is what most of us wannabes want. Unfortunately the shorter guys can't get taller so all they can do is get bigger. Several small guys have done well in contests. Franco and Lee are two exceptional guys. Tom Platz, Larry Scott, Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane are not tall but won big titles.
So along comes the Mr Olympia in 1980 where it was wide open and just about everyone showed up to try to win. There was Frank Zane returning to win a third straight title. Mike Mentzer claimed a perfect score in a Mr Universe and believed his methods were superior so he should be given the title. Boyer Coe had won several Mr Universe titles and was overdue to be Mr Olympia. Chris Dickerson was hot in 79-80 winning many of the pro shows. Roy Callendar won a Mr Universe in Sydney at the Opera House in 1979 so was a favourite. Dennis Tinerino got big and cut and hoped to win as well. Casey Viator was there huge but not so cut. Ken Waller gave it a go. Roger Walker was the local champion and big as a house. He made the finals which was a good result for him. Danny Padilla was there but being short didn't help and he didn't make the cut. A pity because he should have been in the top six. Samir Bannout was there but he didn't stand out that year. Tom Platz had those huge legs but was out of proportion. Surprizingly he almost won in 81. Then there was Arnold. We wondered what he was going to look like and were surprised to see a smaller but more cut version in 1980. That set the stage for a wide open contest because there was no standout physique. Of course, Arnold changed all that when he started posing. He even cheated a couple of times and did biceps shots in rounds where he wasn't supposed to do that. Like when he was showing his triceps.
When the judges handed out 58 perfect scores in the 3 rounds this demonstrated how close the judging was. It also revealed how totally foolish and inadequate the rounds system was. The judges weren't able to separate the contestants in the rounds without comparisons. A guy comes out and looks great so he gets 20 the next guy looks just as good so he also gets 20. In other sports like gymnastics the judges get together after the first score and adjust it so that there is room for someone to score much higher. This isn't done in the IFBB that I am aware of. The rounds system should be discarded. I so hate that stand front, side, back, side and front. How the hell is anyone suppose to judge the guys and then remember how they looked so they can be rated against the others. It simply cannot be done accurately without comparisons. They can have rounds but merely to select the finalists. Comparisons should be used and this has to be thorough and complete. There is no need for a posedown. There should be no opportunity for judges to discuss the contest nor anyone else talk to the judges about the contest. That is plainly not good enough. Do the judging once and that is it. If someone missed the timing and looks better at night then too bad, the judging is over. That is the only way to have fair and honest contests. That and having a transparent system of selecting the judges in the first place. All results from all judges should be published after every single contest at all levels. It can be done because we did that in Sydney in an amateur organization that was started because of the dissatisfaction resulting from the 1980 Mr Olympia. A meeting was held at my gym and those present voted to start a new organization. We decided to present a trophy to Chris Dickerson as the Mr Olympia 1980. Someone took the trophy to California and presented it to Chris. I have no idea what he thought about it but there you are. A lot of people were not happy about what happened at the Opera House when Arnold was given the title. People booed and that is the first time Arnold was booed after a contest. We saw Arnold and Franco in our gym the next day because Franco was giving a seminar. Arnold sure wasn't the huge guy who gave a seminar at my gym in 1974.
3 times I tried to read this thesis, I just can't...
Break it up, space it up, post separetely...
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Very interesting but SCHTOOPID..... (Artie Johnson on Laugh In playing the German Soldier)
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Zane looks the best by some distance in nearly every picture i have ever seen of this contest.
Mentzer dieted away his chest or some such and it throws off his look completely, which is a shame because at his best he was a very good bodybuilder. He tried to play the Zane game here and it didn't work.
Arnolds show muscles still looked good but he was very incomplete. But he was still eyecatching no argument.
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he used tricks a plenty to destabilise his opponents .. . yes it was controversial . but he had some stretgh too . mike mentzer was in great shape lack of chest notwithstanding. dickerson and boyer even better. . most people agree about the top five . finishers . what a strange contests down under ...
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no he was even lighter in australia than he was in south africa in 1975 . when he played catching up already after the movie stay hungry .. but his name was there .. he wnted to compete and showed them who was king . arnold a gambler an opportunist ..
I recall reading somewhere that Dino De Laurentiis told Arnold, that if he wanted the Conan role, he needed to win the Olympia...
If true, it certainly would have added another twist to this contest from Arnold's point of view (not just putting Mentzer and Zane in their place.)
Imagine if he had not won? :o
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Any version of Arnold 71-75 would have taken
the 1980 Olympia easy but Dickerson was the best
bodybuilder that day. He really had one weakness which was
biceps. He was denser than Arnold that day. He had probably
the best capped delts of anyone. 1st or 2nd best back. 2nd best legs
next to platz. He had muscle maturity that doesn't come across in pictures.
I could give it to Arnold until I watch the videos and I can't get past his
legs. Maybe his upper body was 80% but his legs were less.
None the less Arnold would have well over 10 Olympias had he kept on competing after
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I took most of the B & W comparison photos above from the 1980 Mr Olympia. I had a tripod and 135 and 200mm lenses and was seated in the center of the Opera House at waist level with the competitors. I sold my photos to Robert Nailon who sent many to Robert Kennedy to be published in Musclemag. I took 360 photos of the pre-judging but most were not comparison photos. It would be interesting to publish the complete series and let people decide who was the best. The colour slides were taken at the show at night. I had a movie taken, too, but the bloke holding the camera got so excited when Roger Walker was posing that the film is unusable! Some of my photos were published in Ironman including the cover of Mike Mentzer.
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I recall reading somewhere that Dino De Laurentiis told Arnold, that if he wanted the Conan role, he needed to win the Olympia...
If true, it certainly would have added another twist to this contest from Arnold's point of view (not just putting Mentzer and Zane in their place.)
Imagine if he had not won? :o
When arnold went to sidney to do his supposed 6 week prep( when in actual fact he'd been training for conan in spain and LA for 6 months, while delays in production were ironed out), he already had the role.
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Any version of Arnold 71-75 would have taken
the 1980 Olympia easy but Dickerson was the best
bodybuilder that day. He really had one weakness which was
biceps. He was denser than Arnold that day. He had probably
the best capped delts of anyone. 1st or 2nd best back. 2nd best legs
next to platz. He had muscle maturity that doesn't come across in pictures.
I could give it to Arnold until I watch the videos and I can't get past his
legs. Maybe his upper body was 80% but his legs were less.
None the less Arnold would have well over 10 Olympias had he kept on competing after
1975.
Dickerson was the most complete and conditioned. Great poser too dickerson could've won 80 and 81. In 82 he was past his best
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Dickerson was the most complete and conditioned. Great poser too dickerson could've won 80 and 81. In 82 he was past his best
I agree with you. The amount of people who look at Arnolds name and say straight away..Arnold will win because he is Arnold. As for Mike Mentzer i think if i was him i would have just belted Arnold in the mouth for being the cocky, arrogant bastard he is.
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Very interesting but SCHTOOPID..... (Artie Johnson on Laugh In playing the German Soldier)
I`m probably the only one here who remembers that besides Basile.........sadly enough. :(
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Laugh In was funny when it started then it ran out of original ideas. Much like Getbiggers who post here.
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Dickersons back is destroying Arnolds in that picture. He was the most complete and as said Zane looked very polished.
Arnold had no legs, no back and his upperbody was 85% of his best.
I'm sure ND thinks this contest is legit though and will come up with some bullshit as to why the schmoe judges were correct, oh wait, it's not about Dorian so he doesn't give a shit. 8)
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I`m probably the only one here who remembers that besides Basile.........sadly enough. :(
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I remember too. Wes, did moses really have that long beard?
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I remember too. Wes, did moses really have that long beard?
Wes babysat Moses
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arnold calves were great his thigs were down . his presentation was strange too . he didnt care much about grooming himself properly . hi hair are all wet . was not like that in past olympias .. but no matter .. i guess.
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When arnold went to sidney to do his supposed 6 week prep( when in actual fact he'd been training for conan in spain and LA for 6 months, while delays in production were ironed out), he already had the role.
Unfortunately I can't find the source of what I wrote any more, but thanks for the info.
I wonder why Arnold let his condition go so much after the Olympia? I mean, he was pretty big (and soft) in Conan...
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that look was required for conan, for the next film the director wanted more. His physique has depended on the movie role ever since retiring from competition.
Unfortunately I can't find the source of what I wrote any more, but thanks for the info.
I wonder why Arnold let his condition go so much after the Olympia? I mean, he was pretty big (and soft) in Conan...
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Dickersons back is destroying Arnolds in that picture. He was the most complete and as said Zane looked very polished.
Arnold had no legs, no back and his upperbody was 85% of his best.
To say that Chris' back is "destroying" Arnold's is exaggerating just a little bit.
Dickerson had no size on his legs either. His main flaw was his asymmetric structure and of course... his elbows ;D
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To say that Chris' back is "destroying" Arnold's is exaggerating just a little bit.
Dickerson had no size on his legs either. His main flaw was his asymmetric structure and of course... his elbows ;D
It looks a lot thicker to me. I wasn't ever a big fan of Chris's physique but he was pretty complete here, i thought Zane should have won it.
Arnold needed to carry more size to offset his wide waist.
Oh yes and i would not hit Chris, elbows too pointy.
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So along comes the Mr Olympia in 1980 where it was wide open and just about everyone showed up to try to win. There was Frank Zane returning to win a third straight title.
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NO VINCE, FRANK ZANE WAS RETURNING TO WIN A 4th STRAIGHT TITLE !
FRANK ZANE WAS IFBB MR.OLYMPIA 1977-78-79
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The 80 Olympia should have resulted in a revamped judging system.
Okay, follow what happened. Three rounds where each competitor is scored out of 20. First guy comes out and looks fabulous so you score him 20. The next guy looks as good. Give him 20 as well. The 3rd guy wasn't as good as the first 2 so you give him 19. Then the 4th guy looks better than any of the previous guys what do you score him? Well, the same 20.
What should happen is after the first competitor you collect scores and then award the competitor 15 and have room for better competitors.
Sure Arnold was a bit small on his thighs. The rest of him was as good as his 75 shape. Nowhere near as good as 73. However, the other guys weren't anywhere near as big as Arnold. Well, except for Danny Padilla who was short and no one bothered to rate him high.
After the show we had a meeting at my gym where the fans and bodybuilders were really upset. We formed a new organization after that and Paul Graham continued to run his IFBB shows. In 1982 John Terilli won our show and we sent him to NABBA where he won his class in the Mr Universe and lost the overall to John Brown who apparently outposed him.
We evolved a judging process that took care of two requirements. First, to fairly separate the bodybuilders and second, to make sure no one was overlooked. We had the men stand in a line where they were introduced to the audience. Even at the judging. The open competitors were first because why should they have to wait until all the juniors, etc., did their thing? We did the front, side, back, side, front standing lineup. Then competitors left the stage and came back individually to pose. Judges took down the numbers of those who impressed so that they could be compared later. After the posing everyone was brought back in a lineup and then groups were brought out to be compared. This process continued until every judge was happy he could place the top guys. At this point the judging process was completed and the supervisor tallied the scores and then printed out the results that were distributed after the final placings were announced. Every score of every judge was on that printout. The supervisor might announce the closeness of the contest so that the audience would appreciate what happened during the judging. We never received any complaints about the judging.
Well Vince, regarding to my memory that new organization was UBBA & Billy Knight was the 1st UBBA Mr.Australia, John Terilli was Mr.Australasia 1982 .In 1988 UBBA* become NABBA Australia.
*United Bodybuilders of Australia !.
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I'll say this about Zane during the 1980 Olympia. I think that was the most ripped he ever was. He just looked like he was under 190lbs. Chris Dickerson was also ripped and hard.
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that look was required for conan, for the next film the director wanted more. His physique has depended on the movie role ever since retiring from competition.
lets face it in Conan the Director had to go optic with Arnold for the role...his Acting is shit and his English too.
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Before the accident, Zane was on course for this condition, plus 5-10lbs
Let's not forget he spent weeks in hospital, and was critical at one stage, all this just before the olympia
Does anyone really think arnold would've beaten this? Post 76, Zane changed the rules of the game, not enough to have 4 visible abs complemented by huge arms and pecs
Conditioning!
Which is why arnold was small, not because of the lie of training 6 weeks only, because he overdieted, was scared that if the real zane showed up, no 7th mr O
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i always thought robby should have gotten at least one sandow back in the late 70,s.
In the build-up to 77 everyone thought he just had to show up, himself included
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I recall reading somewhere that Dino De Laurentiis told Arnold, that if he wanted the Conan role, he needed to win the Olympia...
If true, it certainly would have added another twist to this contest from Arnold's point of view (not just putting Mentzer and Zane in their place.)
Imagine if he had not won? :o
When Arnold got on board for the Conan project, he was introduced as a "Mr.Universe winner" nobody knew (and still Don't know) what a Mr.Olympia is . :'(
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Frank zane was a 100x better than the Fat Oak with his overdeveloped breasts and thick waist. I have never liked the way his physique at all. Was it not Vince Gironda that called him a fat fuck?..
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Frank zane was a 100x better than the Fat Oak with his overdeveloped breasts and thick waist. I have never liked the way his physique at all. Was it not Vince Gironda that called him a fat fuck?..
I'm a Zane fan, but I do realize there would be no bbing without arnold
The man created 9/10 of weiders wealth
Still, to this day, covers and articles, whole issues devoted to him, when sales slump
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vince called arnold a fat kid in 1968 when he first came to america . never after ... zane too thin .
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vince called arnold a fat kid in 1968 when he first came to america . never after ... zane too thin .
Zane too thin??? he was ideal. Great physique and a very intelligent Bodybuilder.
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I'm a Zane fan, but I do realize there would be no bbing without arnold
The man created 9/10 of weiders wealth
Still, to this day, covers and articles, whole issues devoted to him, when sales slump
That doesn't make sense, there was bodybuilding before Arnold so why not without?
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That doesn't make sense, there was bodybuilding before Arnold so why not without?
I don't mean he invented it
He put it on the map
Inspired millions to train
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I don't mean he invented it
He put it on the map
Inspired millions to train
I think it would have always happened regardless of specific people involved.
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I think it would have always happened regardless of specific people involved.
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Zane too thin??? he was ideal. Great physique and a very intelligent Bodybuilder.
Yeah that Arnold guy, what an idiot ::)
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I think it would have always happened regardless of specific people involved.
I disagree.....No one has come along since who was like Arnold...he was a unique individual...In controversial vocations you need a guy to put it on the map and capture the imagination of the public.....just like Freud put psychology on the map...and you can make an argument that Babe Ruth put baseball on the map
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I disagree.....No one has come along since who was like Arnold...he was a unique individual...In controversial vocations you need a guy to put it on the map and capture the imagination of the public.....just like Freud put psychology on the map...and you can make an argument that Babe Ruth put baseball on the map
People workout because they like looking good, not becasue Arnold worked out lmao.
Before Arnold there was Reeves and Park who were known outside of bodybuilding, if Arnold wasn't around in the seventies then Weider would have pimped someone else. No they wouldn't have got so big in acting that, was a unique set of events with a lot of luck involved. But physical culture/bodybuilding would have always taken off.
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3 times I tried to read this thesis, I just can't...
Break it up, space it up, post separetely...
I read it fine, go back to school.
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If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different
In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created
Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1
If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!
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I read it fine, go back to school.
Out of 2 below options which is more legible:
"If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different
In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created
Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1
If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!"
Or
"If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different. In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created. Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1. If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!"
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Out of 2 below options which is more legible:
"If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different
In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created
Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1
If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!"
Or
"If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different. In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created. Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1. If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!"
As it's a short paragraph I'd say the first one. Content-wise Vince Basil's essay of a post was more interesting though ;D
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Content-wise Vince Basil's essay of a post was more interesting though ;D
That's why I tried to read it
Flotsam aside, he has interesting tales to tell !
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Yeah that Arnold guy, what an idiot ::)
itīs just Guys like you who canīt see past the fucking "Oak". laughs his way to the bank thanks to dopes like you. Arnold is and was over rated. Arnold Mania...jeez get a life. think he gives a fuck about YOU? Wake up smell the coffee. ::)
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If you want to look at CHARACTER as a Man and someone to look up to...Reg Park. Arnold was never in Reg Parks class.
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If you want to look at CHARACTER as a Man and someone to look up to...Reg Park. Arnold was never in Reg Parks class.
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Reg was an awesome guy, I heard students from his gym said he was an amazing instructor!
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Park was a class act
Arnold and park probably had different views and goals in life, both accomplished a lot
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i remember when pumping iron came out, it seemed like everyone in my neighborhood was buying weight sets and wanted to be like arnold. it inspired me to train and learn about bodybuilding. before arnold and the pumpin iron documentory alot of the general public thought bodybuilders where just a bunch of weirdos who hung out in the gym all day and did nothing else in life besides train, after pumping iron everyone, including myself saw bodybuilding in a whole different light. arnold showed you can have fun and be a normal guy and still pump iron and have muscles. arnold was the ultimate pioneer that brought bodybuilding out of the dark
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amazing comments . i reiterate my coments that frank zane was not my ideal bodybuilder . a class act but not massive enough . reg park was arnold hero . but arnold went way ahead of park.
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Reg Park was for me the better of the two. I personally was influenced to start training by Steve reeves. Arnold was for me not as appealing..but then again i never ran with the masses like a sheep.
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Out of 2 below options which is more legible:
"If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different
In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created
Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1
If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!"
Or
"If one had to jump in a time machine to '75, kill arnorld, make lou mr O
Things would turn out different. In the 80s, IMO, there was a certain glamour created by the "acceptance" arnold and others, yes, created. Those guys in the 80s and early 90s were inspired by arnold. Arnold inspired his peers even. Everyone was awed by this guy from day 1. If there was no arnie, sure, joe would've found another avenue, maybe mentzer would've won 3 olympias, everyone would be doing heavy duty!"
Dude...don't resort to giving writing lessons...I think everyone understood him just fine.....
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Dude...don't resort to giving writing lessons...I think everyone understood him just fine.....
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Good comment!
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Steve Reeves and Arnold were Top movie stars. They inspired perhaps millions of people to improve their bodies. Neither changed how the public perceived bodybuilders. Bodybuilding remained a peculiar sub-culture and is that to this day. While many guys wanted to look fabulous like Steve Reeves I doubt many wanted to look like Arnold. Women admired handsome Steve but not Arnold.
Arthur Jones made more people train in gyms because of his Nautilus machines.
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Steve Reeves and Arnold were Top movie stars. They inspired perhaps millions of people to improve their bodies. Neither changed how the public perceived bodybuilders. Bodybuilding remained a peculiar sub-culture and is that to this day. While many guys wanted to look fabulous like Steve Reeves I doubt many wanted to look like Arnold. Women admired handsome Steve but not Arnold.
Arthur Jones made more people train in gyms because of his Nautilus machines.
Hi Vince....I have lots of respect for you because of your experience in bodybuilding and I hate it when guys on here bust your balls for no reason....but how can you say that women didn't like the way Arnold looked?..I'm sure that Arnold turned down more pussy than you and I ever got in our lives....also..even if you are right, the PERCEPTION by the public is that Arnold was and is banging tons of babes...his body, his personality and the perception that he was banging chicks left and right I think contributed to the public rushing to the gym to be like him.....and I agree with you about Steve Reeves..If I could chose anyone in history to look like in terms of looks and body, it would be Steve Reeves
Also while we are on the subject, tell us about the old days and the romantic scene?....were women falling all over themselves when they were hanging out with you guys?....were women attracted to bodybuilding?...who got the most tail>???
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Dude...don't resort to giving writing lessons...I think everyone understood him just fine.....
Ok dude
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reeves was not big enough. size count too . if it was not the case gymnasts could be called mr universe.. harder to get symmetry when you develop great size .. it seems
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I remember when Arnold first came to Australia in 1972, I think. He was interviewed on TV. Arnold was asked if women fancy his body. He replied that some do and some don't. Contrast that answer to what Franco said, "I am falling in love all the time!"
Arnold never had trouble getting sex from women. He had people all over the world setting him up. He was always out for a good time. However, I wouldn't describe him as being handsome. Sure he had charisma and money and when he was famous and rich that might have been sufficient to turn lots of women on. Reeves, on the other hand, was adored by women and envied by men to this day.
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I remember when Arnold first came to Australia in 1972, I think. He was interviewed on TV. Arnold was asked if women fancy his body. He replied that some do and some don't. Contrast that answer to what Franco said, "I am falling in love all the time!"
Arnold never had trouble getting sex from women. He had people all over the world setting him up. He was always out for a good time. However, I wouldn't describe him as being handsome. Sure he had charisma and money and when he was famous and rich that might have been sufficient to turn lots of women on. Reeves, on the other hand, was adored by women and envied by men to this day.
Great post. well put. Steve reeves had a great shape and his waist was small and wide lats...sure Arnold was bigger but by Todays standards but if we talk about the whole package..and Quality...Reeves had it all. The guy did not need Money he walked down the beach and turned heads !!
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reeves prolly porked alot of broads in his day, he had the body that they liked
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reeves prolly porked alot of broads in his day, he had the body that they liked
Definitely agree
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reeves prolly porked alot of broads in his day, he had the body that they liked
they liked....and still do, Ask every woman around you....
Reeves was like Elvis Presley with the perfect body........
Arnold ? is/was a man's man.....no at single woman would hang a poster on her bedrrom based on his "good looks".
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yes steve reeves looked better . arnold size was intimidating i guess . he was not handsome man . but he had his personality . so on .
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arnold fingers were way too long his chest too big his mouth too square . yet they see him as god .
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arnold fingers were way too long his chest too big his mouth too square . yet they see him as god .
His fingers were too long??? Whats that about??
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His fingers were too long??? Whats that about??
ya, i saw that and just thought i'd forget i read it as soon as i could ???
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While we are making bullshit statements that we wish happened I'd like to congratulate the 2012 World Champion Los Angeles Lakers and MVP Kobe Bryant. I really enjoyed it when they beat Lebron and the Heat this year in the NBA Finals.
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While we are making bullshit statements that we wish happened I'd like to congratulate the 2012 World Champion Los Angeles Lakers and MVP Kobe Bryant. I really enjoyed it when they beat Lebron and the Heat this year in the NBA Finals.
LOL.
Hey, man, 99.9999999% of everything on the Internet is bullshit from one perspective or another.
The homos will unleash their limp-wristed fury on me for saying so, but I never got the whole Steve Reeves thing. He had a decent physique, but all those guys fapping about how "handsome" he was ... ::) He had a forehead like a fucking drive-in movie theater, squinty eyes and a cro-magnon brow that cast those beady eyes in a perpetual shadow. His dorky haircut didn't help.
But, of course, I must be "jealous" of this long-dead "ubermensch" to say such things :roll:
Oh: and for anyone who doubts that Arnold truly put bodybuilding on the map? Put down the fucking bong for a minute. He was the first bodybuilder with any charisma and personality to hit the mainstream. Reeves NEVER made it mainstream. He was going "arrrrrgh!" against cheap plastic chains in shitty old Hercules movies that earned ... what? Maybe as much as one of Eastwood's Spaghetti Westerns, at best?
And how many blockbusters did Arnold star in, again?
Yeah, I forgot, too.
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arnold fingers were way too long his chest too big his mouth too square . yet they see him as god .
somebody's obviously having fantasies of getting handjobs from Arnold :)
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somebody's obviously having fantasies of getting handjobs from Arnold :)
Actually, in his prime Reeves along with Sophia Loren was the highest paid actor in Europe, earning approximatley $250,000 per picture.
Given the time, that was a LOT of money. Arnold is Arnold and the best ever. With drugs. Reeves was the best ever sans drugs and without a doubt the most handsome. Women loved Steve Reeves and more often than not when shown a photo of him, still do.
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Reeves was the best ever sans drugs
Well, that's another 20 pg thread altogether...
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arnold fingers yes i remarked that long ago when i saw him up close . half joking . . like lee haney large mouth and ugly navel just small details . i mean physically large mouth lee haney a great guy .
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arnold recently said that his comeback was not the wisest thing he did .
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reeves prolly porked alot of getbiggers in his day, he had the body that they liked
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vince called arnold a fat kid in 1968 when he first came to america . never after ... zane too thin .
Actually Vince called Arnold a "fat fuck" to his face.
I don't agree with most of his BBing techniques, but Vince was quite a character.
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mike might of been a little more full and grainy, but arnold came ripped with his muscle lines and symetry, kinda like a slicked up lamborghini, against a flat black corvette, thats the other thing to, arnold was doing a movie he wasnt serious, he was doing a bo jackson, bodybuilding for him at that point was a hobby, he was a movie star then, that was his focus.
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pumping iron wasnt about the competition between lou and arnold, it was about arnold being the star of the movie, introdcucing him to the masses on the big screen and then the rest was movie history. Arnold wasnt even going to come back to do bodybuilding, he came back to do the movie pumping iron, he was going to retire that year, but he agreed to do one more year for the movie pumping iron.
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john fair wrote an interesting piece of olympia 1980 in IGH . FILES . . CALLED THE intangible ARNOLD .
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Who keeps dredging up this mess?
Mentzer was nowhere NEAR winning the 1980 Olympia. The man placed fifth, against guys who beat him before. If Arnold hadn't appeared, Dickerson would have won that show and perhaps have two Olympias to his credit.
Had Dickerson been out, Zane (who beat Mentzer the previous year) would have won it, having 4 Olympia titles.
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Great shot , Cormier looks like the black Bob Paris
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Mentzer had an awesome build... I love that rugged, hardcore look. I always admired Mr. T's build even though he'd never win a contest
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Great shot , Cormier looks like the black Bob Paris
why are their calves so big???
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why are their calves so big???
Yeah no kidding the whole line-up even the black guys
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Just re-watched the contest. Mike Mentzer....no wonder why he shunned weider and the corrupt ifbb.
Hahaha Mentzer looks like a child of Arnolds with his not-there chest, weak arms and delts and legs to boot.
Don't even mention back!
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About the booing at the 80 Olympia. When Arnold was announced the winner there was a lot of booing but there was also cheering. The booing faded and the cheering continued. Arnold was very popular in Sydney. A lot of bodybuilders weren't happy with the result. I gave the contest to Arnold and it was confirmed after looking at all the photos I took at the judging and evening show. He had the best arms and chest and his back and calves looked good, too. Only his thighs let him down a bit. Dickerson had small arms. Zane wasn't very big. Coe had few abs. Mentzer had a gut in some poses. Walker was blocky. Callender wasn't as sharp as he was in 79. Tinerino was perhaps the hardest guy but somehow wasn't near the top. Danny was the biggest, size for size, but was totally overlooked and never compared. Platz was weak in his upper body. Waller wasn't that cut. And so it goes.......Arnold first and the rest second.
A couple of days ago I re-read an article I wrote for one of the muscle magazines after the Olympia in 1980. After the judging this is how I scored the competitors: Arnold, Mike Mentzer, Zane, Dickerson, Tinerino, Coe, Walker, Callender,
After viewing the photos I took at the judging and slides I took at the finals I placed the men as follows: Tinerino, Dickerson, Zane, Coe, Arnold, Mentzer, Walker, Callender.
Immediately after the contest I was surprised to hear the consensus from some of the bodybuilders at my gym had Dickerson first.
Eventually we saw the video from the contest and that was like seeing the show again and by this time there were many more photos published of the contest plus articles by various writers.
The long term consensus is that Arnold was just good enough to win but way down from his condition in 73 and 74. Since that time Mike has had supporters saying he should have won.
Arnold shouldn't have competed that day but just guest posed. That would have been the smart thing to do. I believe the controversy will persist.
The impression I had after the contest was that Arnold appeared to be the best and that is what the judges saw as well. We can examine photos and videos till the cows come home
but that doesn't change the result in any way.
I edited the photo that I took and had published by Ironman Magazine. In this photo Mike looks the winner. No weak points and plenty of size from forearms to calves. Look at his
midsection. Superb.
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Here is a photo of Dennis from the 1980 Mr Olympia.
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VAFFANCULO Vincenza ;D
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Here is a photo I found of Frank Zane. Spent some time editing the scan of the 8X10 inch image.
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Here is Chris Dickerson from 1980.
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why are their calves so big???
Probably esiclene.
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Arnold is the winner
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arnold winning was as flaky as franco winning a year later
boyer coe said "franco's going to win in 1981, arnolds the promoter"
franco was butt-hurt, called coe and said angrily "why are you telling everyone im going to win the olympia"
coe said "because you are" (and he did).
scam artists (arnie and franco)
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A while ago I heard a Boyer Coe interview. He was talking about his 1982 Olympia prep. Said he was taking some kind of speed or amphetamine. Said he was training like crazy. Felt great and thought he looked amazing. He competed and placed poorly. It was only later after looking at the pictures and watching the video did he see and realized how small and depleted he looked. He admitted he looked like shit and said it was a real bitch getting off the amphetamines.
Basically this is what I believe happened to Mentzer. Only he didn't get off the amphetamines so he never had the moment of realization that he just didn't look that great in 80. Certainly not his best.
He didn't have to agree with Arnold winning- everyone has their opinions- but it would have been best for his mental health to admit that he was off that year. Then he could have focused on fixing his problems and come back better. Instead of self destructing.