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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MoralMan on July 29, 2007, 11:49:18 AM
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Awesome, simply awesome.
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Awesome, simply awesome.
Raw is awesome.
Nothing else
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I remember when the world record was like 705, i think a lot of these supposed 800-1000 pound bench presses are horse shit. He must have been wearing a space age polymer bench shirt designed by NASA
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they should wipe the record books clean, end all drug testing, and require shirtless benches.
Start from scratch. 800 pounds with no shirt is far more impressive than 1100 pounds while wearing 17 bench shirts.
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they should wipe the record books clean, end all drug testing, and require shirtless benches.
Start from scratch. 800 pounds with no shirt is far more impressive than 1100 pounds while wearing 17 bench shirts.
they're both impressive. period.
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He's a strong bastard.
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they should wipe the record books clean, end all drug testing, and require shirtless benches.
Start from scratch. 800 pounds with no shirt is far more impressive than 1100 pounds while wearing 17 bench shirts.
Who the hell has ever benched 800 raw?!?!?!
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Who the hell has ever benched 800 raw?!?!?!
no one, far as i know mendelson has the raw record at like 715.
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I remember when the world record was like 705, i think a lot of these supposed 800-1000 pound bench presses are horse shit. He must have been wearing a space age polymer bench shirt designed by NASA
haha, you probably can't even leg press 1036 unless your hands are on your knees "just for safety". i don't use a shirt any more and i doubt i will again, but no matter what he locked out 1036 pounds and that's fucking incredible.
no one, far as i know mendelson has the raw record at like 715.
yep, 715. watch out for robert wilkerson though. his third meet ever and he hit 615 raw along with an 800 squat. i think nick winters hit 665 touch and go recently too.
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haha, you probably can't even leg press 1036 unless your hands are on your knees "just for safety". i don't use a shirt any more and i doubt i will again, but no matter what he locked out 1036 pounds and that's fucking incredible.
But he Didnīt press 1036 pounds.
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haha, you probably can't even leg press 1036 unless your hands are on your knees "just for safety".
I didnt claim to bench 1036 pounds, Dumbass
I no doubt could add a few hundred pounds to my bench if i added Anadrol, GH, ten different kinds of test and a space age polymer Bench Shirt. ::) Idiot
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no one, far as i know mendelson has the raw record at like 715.
but, brad castelcock (dante's boy) is doing 675.
;D
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Incredible weight ---but it is an artificial lift----this bench shirt stuff is utter nonsense. How much can you bench with just a plain t-shirt on ?????
Bench shirt = ::)
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guys wearing these bench shirts can't even move their arms, they look funny as shit walking around, psyching themselves up, with their arms poking straight out in front of them ;D
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no one, far as i know mendelson has the raw record at like 715.
Check out Ben White pressing 700.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=161072.0
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Bench shirts have been in the sport for thirty freaking years.Yes,they add numbers,but if everyone uses them,what seems to be the problem.I know that synthol,calf implants,t-3,dnp,growth hormone etc. is what makes bodybuilding far more legit,but gear in powerlifting is here to stay.By the way,everytime they try to put on a RAW meet,NO ONE SHOWS UP because they are boooooooooring as hell.
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Who the hell has ever benched 800 raw?!?!?!
Nobody. But you take all the brakes off (testing, etc) and someone will get there. I bet it'll be a getbig regular too.
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Bench shirts are the equivilent of high jumpers wearing inspector gadget spring loaded shoes.
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Dumbest thing Ive ever read.Let me ask you this.I see all these "hardcore" bodybuilders DVDs and every single one wears wrist wraps,knee wraps,elbow pads,and everything else they possibly can.Geeze,Ronnie Coleman even wears sissy ass lifting gloves.Along with synthol,implants etc. why would you guys EVER try to bash powerlifting.Again,bench shirts have been in the sport for thirty years,what seems to be the problem?
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Dumbest thing Ive ever read.Let me ask you this.I see all these "hardcore" bodybuilders DVDs and every single one wears wrist wraps,knee wraps,elbow pads,and everything else they possibly can.Geeze,Ronnie Coleman even wears sissy ass lifting gloves.Along with synthol,implants etc. why would you guys EVER try to bash powerlifting.Again,bench shirts have been in the sport for thirty years,what seems to be the problem?
calm down toothpick legs it ain't that serious.
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Toothpick legs that can squat 942.Compare that to the "legend of strength" Johnny Jackson or the "strongest bodybuilder ever" Ronnie Coleman.Apparently,squating takes much more then big quads.Maybe those bodybuilders just dont have the nads to push heavy weights and crap their pants when it comes to getting under a loaded barbell.Or,perhaps its not really quads that squat,its glutes,hamstrings and lower back.
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Soon, there will be hydraulic pumps in the sleeves of the bench shirts!! Bodybuilders wear knee wraps/elbow sleeves/wrist wraps as support for joints. I dont know anyone who's has elbow wraps that increases their bench by 300 pounds.
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I thought bodybuilding was about developing the muscles to their fullest extent.Perhaps you could try and justify the use of synthol and implants and how that is legit as compared to bench shirts.
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I thought bodybuilding was about developing the muscles to their fullest extent.Perhaps you could try and justify the use of synthol and implants and how that is legit as compared to bench shirts.
I wont defend synthol and implants, they both suck. They suck as bad as bench shirts. Im wondering if powerliftes could wear knee braces like offensive lineman in the NFL, and springload them to help lift the weight ::)
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Im wondering if bodybuilders can just mail their placings to the judges before the show and not show up.You know,like they do when they post their training numbers and never actually have to prove or back up their lifts.Like when Johnnie Jackson claims to squat 815 with no gear,but then puts on the gear in a meet and squats 826.Now,correct me if Im wrong,but it would seem an 11 pound gain from your gear would either indicate your gear sucks,or that your a freaking liar and cant come anywhere close to an 815 raw squat.So maybe bodybuilders can just tell the judges how they look without ever having to enter the show and the judges can place them accordingly.
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Im wondering if bodybuilders can just mail their placings to the judges before the show and not show up.You know,like they do when they post their training numbers and never actually have to prove or back up their lifts.Like when Johnnie Jackson claims to squat 815 with no gear,but then puts on the gear in a meet and squats 826.Now,correct me if Im wrong,but it would seem an 11 pound gain from your gear would either indicate your gear sucks,or that your a freaking liar and cant come anywhere close to an 815 raw squat.So maybe bodybuilders can just tell the judges how they look without ever having to enter the show and the judges can place them accordingly.
Hey billy, guess what, the US put a man on the moon ;D Everyone knows that bodybuilders lie about how much they can lift, its very, very, very old news. How much they can lift has no bearing on the outcome of a competition, so who really gives a fuck.
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boy Billy is really melting down.
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I wont defend synthol and implants, they both suck. They suck as bad as bench shirts. Im wondering if powerliftes could wear knee braces like offensive lineman in the NFL, and springload them to help lift the weight ::)
you're missing the fact that the shirts and suits are allowed under the rules. it's not cheating if the rules apply equally to everyone. are the lifts as "legit" as raw? i don't think so, but if you're taking away from the fact that kennelly benched 1036 goddamn pounds, you're an idiot. simple as that.
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How is that melting down?Thats just two guys debating and having some fun.No name calling,no silly insults,just two guys pointing how silly BOTH sports have gotten.Melting down is when you have to resort to name calling,or challenging people to a fight when you know you will NEVER ever meet them.
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you're missing the fact that the shirts and suits are allowed under the rules. it's not cheating if the rules apply equally to everyone. are the lifts as "legit" as raw? i don't think so, but if you're taking away from the fact that kennelly benched 1036 goddamn pounds, you're an idiot. simple as that.
Im sure the guy could move a ridiculous amount of weight raw, can't argue that.
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Dumbest thing Ive ever read.Let me ask you this.I see all these "hardcore" bodybuilders DVDs and every single one wears wrist wraps,knee wraps,elbow pads,and everything else they possibly can.Geeze,Ronnie Coleman even wears sissy ass lifting gloves.Along with synthol,implants etc. why would you guys EVER try to bash powerlifting.Again,bench shirts have been in the sport for thirty years,what seems to be the problem?
Billy, please admit that most powerlifters do hate the gear, even if they wear it themselves. It's a bitch to work them, don't you agree?
The reason why raw meets don't get much support must be something else, other than most powerlifters loving gear so much.
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Van, you are wrong.
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Well,I certainly hate it,especially the shirts.However,thats because Id rather just train and not learn how to use it.I like a good pair of briefs,but the suits are too much for me and actually make it very uncomfortable to squat.I think guys like hitting big numbers,and gear equals big numbers.
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Who the hell has ever benched 800 raw?!?!?!
What? There are a dozen guys on this board that can do it. Sevastase, True Gaydonis, Bluto and others.
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Shirt work will improve your raw bench! Everyone Stop the whining and get one, learn to use it.
You will gain thickness from handling the heavier iron.
NOT USING A SHIRT for limited times IS SELLING YOURSELF SHORT.
Your strength and thickness will never reach their potential.
Jealousy, plain and simple. Just like Naty Whining about "Steroids" :'( ;D
You want to achieve? YOUR the only one that can be responsible.
Stop hating those who have exceed your level and improve yourselves.
Hey "Natties" (soundz like a insect, dont they) its not a drug, its a shirt!
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Shirt work will improve your raw bench! Everyone Stop the whining and get one, learn to use it.
You will gain thickness from handling the heavier iron.
NOT USING A SHIRT for limited times IS SELLING YOURSELF SHORT.
Your strength and thickness will never reach their potential.
Jealousy, plain and simple. Just like Naty Whining about "Steroids" :'( ;D
You want to achieve? YOUR the only one that can be responsible.
Stop hating those who have exceed your level and improve yourselves.
Hey "Natties" (soundz like a insect, dont they) its not a drug, its a shirt!
That is the most stupidest shit ive ever heard, Congratz
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That is the most stupidest shit ive ever heard, Congratz
Why?? If you drive a car a lot you will be able to run faster, it's the same.
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That is the most stupidest shit ive ever heard, Congratz
That is why you will never have a big bench.
I could prolly put 50-100lbs on your bench almost immediately w/ just set-up form, and leg drive.
You will likely never get far in life is my guess, your a self defeatest.
Not trying new way keeps you the same. If your happy with your pathetic bench GREAT!
IF you want another pair of sewer lids on the ends of the bar, shut up and listen/watch to those who move piles of plate!
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That is the most stupidest shit ive ever heard, Congratz
Both u and donkey kong managed the most retarded responses today . Congrats
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Am I the only one who is fed up with kids that bench 225 for a double but won't learn anything new? ...and will still bench under 300 for the remainder of their adult life?
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Both u and donkey kong managed the most retarded responses today . Congrats
haha, did you think i was serious?
Dude, there must be a lot of fertilizer in romanian food nowadays. You're retarded.
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Nowdays its not how much you bench is how much you can get out of the shirt.. does that sound right? no.
raw.
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Nowdays its not how much you bench is how much you can get out of the shirt.. does that sound right? no.
raw.
Hey Dumbass, did you read carefully? No you didnt.
ANYTHING that helps you (forces) you to handle more weight on the bar will thicken you.
Shirt work will force you to use muscles you never used before. Be carefull when you start.
It WILL IMPROVE YOUR RAW BENCH. You think Big Gene R dont have a awesome raw bench? How about
Scott Mendelson, does he still own the raw and shirt record today? He has in the not distant past.
Use it as a tool. Yes it will improve your raw bench.
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Hey Dumbass, did you read carefully? No you didnt.
ANYTHING that helps you (forces) you to handle more weight on the bar will thicken you.
Shirt work will force you to use muscles you never used before. Be carefull when you start.
It WILL IMPROVE YOUR RAW BENCH. You think Big Gene R dont have a awesome raw bench? How about
Scott Mendelson, does he still own the raw and shirt record today? He has in the not distant past.
Use it as a tool. Yes it will improve your raw bench.
Yes, it's like a plane helps you jump higher.
If you get used to being in high heights, no FORCE yourself, you will be able to jump higher in no time.
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Use it as a tool. Yes it will improve your raw bench.
Then they could use it in practise and comepte raw, I donīt know anyone who does that though
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Yes, it's like a plane helps you jump higher.
If you get used to being in high heights, no FORCE yourself, you will be able to jump higher in no time.
If you dont try, you cant say. Try one for a couple months, tell me if your max Raw bench dont go up considerably (I bet your stuck where you are like 99.9% of Flat-Back, elbows out ::) Bbers Bench)
THey are not just a snap to learn. They are not comfortable. They will put new muscle on your frame.
Drug free to!
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Then they could use it in practise and comepte raw, I donīt know anyone who does that though
Yes, like runners train in Ferraris to force themselves into the speed.
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If you dont try, you cant say. Try one for a couple months, tell me if your max Raw bench dont go up considerably (I bet your stuck where you are like 99.9% of Flat-Back, elbows out ::) Bbers Bench)
THey are not just a snap to learn. They are not comfortable. They will put new muscle on your frame.
Drug free to!
Actually i don't give a fuck about my flatbench. I don't flatbench.
I am improving steadily, mixing my exercises and rep ranges smart. I won't make a laughing stock out of myself in wearing a bench shirt in gym.
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Then they could use it in practise and comepte raw, I donīt know anyone who does that though
Dude, there are a few who do it, or (many) compete in both!
www.elitefts.com
Hit the Q&A bench section. Some guys like raw meets but use shirts to train at times.
I agree, a Raw 500 is way more impressive than a bigger shirt lift. But Im telling you, this equipment will work you HARDER, NOT make your workout easier!
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Dude, there are a few who do it, or (many) compete in both!
www.elitefts.com
Hit the Q&A bench section. Some guys like raw meets but use shirts to train at times.
I agree, a Raw 500 is way more impressive than a bigger shirt lift. But Im telling you, this equipment will work you HARDER, NOT make your workout easier!
The problem I have with is that When a guy benches lets sayy 800pounds With a shirt he is Not pressing 800pounds from his chest because the shirt works like a fucking spring and "removes" a certain part of the weight. Not calling them weak but we donīt know how much they are actually benching. If scott or whatever his name is benchpresses 1000+ pounds and his raw record is 700 then the shirt removes 300pounds and whatīs the point in that?
When a raw bencher benches 500pounds he is pressing every single one of those pounds :)
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The problem I have with is that When a guy benches lets sayy 800pounds With a shirt he is Not pressing 800pounds from his chest because the shirt works like a fucking spring and "removes" a certain part of the weight. Not calling them weak but we donīt know how much they are actually benching. If scott or whatever his name is benchpresses 1000+ pounds and his raw record is 700 then the shirt removes 300pounds and whatīs the point in that?
When a raw bencher benches 500pounds he is pressing every single one of those pounds :)
You are right, Im not arguing that at all. Used properly, you want as much SPRING AS you can get! Because it loses it's effect
FAST! THEN YOUR STUCK W/ SOME REAL HEAVY MOTHER F'n iron that can kill you over your body ;D!
Its another way to develop explosive speed. Mendelson is impressive Raw or w/ a shirt. He's built like a Bench'n machine though.
As soon as that shirt stops working, your stuck w/ all that iron. And look closely, they move it REAL SLOW.
If you want to spend the time to read this setup article and practice what Burns describes, I bet you add some plate.
Leg drive is also very important. You can spin your wheels for years at Bench press, or learn from Pros and add plate fast. Raw or shirt. Sorry but its not all drugs and the shirt. Setup and method and hard work are more important.
Frankly, you'd be better off bench w/ friends at someones home than any comercial gym. Cant use chains, boards, chalk, screame etc
http://www.metalmilitia.net/articles/burns/CompetitionBenching.htm
Also http://www.elitefts.com/documents/top-10-bench-tips.htm
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Ever been to a RAW meet?No crowd,very few big lifts,sparse amount of competitors.If you want to lift nationally,you have to wear gear.Just like in bodybuilding.Ever been to a drug free show?It sucks!Compare it to a non tested show and thats the same thing between geared lifting and RAW lifting.
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Ever been to a RAW meet?No crowd,very few big lifts,sparse amount of competitors.If you want to lift nationally,you have to wear gear.Just like in bodybuilding.Ever been to a drug free show?It sucks!Compare it to a non tested show and thats the same thing between geared lifting and RAW lifting.
Right, its like comparing Dirt track racing to the Indy 500 or Daytona. People want a superhuman spectacle.
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Ever been to a RAW meet?No crowd,very few big lifts,sparse amount of competitors.If you want to lift nationally,you have to wear gear.Just like in bodybuilding.Ever been to a drug free show?It sucks!Compare it to a non tested show and thats the same thing between geared lifting and RAW lifting.
Maybe concerning crowds. But it's not like powerlifters compete 'au natural'.
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http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9928/approxpowercurvesez9.jpg
Unbelievably bored at work, so I created a very rough power curve graph. Not counting acceleration, etc., because I couldn't be bothered.
Result: both raw and shirted have approximately the same total power output (only a 4% difference), just a different distribution. Would have been even closer together (about 3,5%) if I had taken the values 715 and 1008.
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Bench shirts have been in the sport for thirty freaking years.Yes,they add numbers,but if everyone uses them,what seems to be the problem.I know that synthol,calf implants,t-3,dnp,growth hormone etc. is what makes bodybuilding far more legit,but gear in powerlifting is here to stay.By the way,everytime they try to put on a RAW meet,NO ONE SHOWS UP because they are boooooooooring as hell.
I think you're wrong. Lots of people goes to the RAW meets. Lots of people went to see the greatest benchpresser in the world pound for pound, Dennis Cieri, compete RAW:
And how is Cieri's lifting boring?
Compare that to Rychlaks "world record". Is he even completing the lift?
-Hedge
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Ever been to a RAW meet?No crowd,very few big lifts,sparse amount of competitors.If you want to lift nationally,you have to wear gear.Just like in bodybuilding.Ever been to a drug free show?It sucks!Compare it to a non tested show and thats the same thing between geared lifting and RAW lifting.
Lets get something straight here:
A 600 lbs squat in one of the clown feds could perhaps be equalled to somewhere between 405-445 lbs completely RAW, and with strict squatting rules.
What are you so afraid of? That regular gym lifters and bodybuilders will be close to your lifting numbers, or perhaps even be higher?
With suits and equipment, powerlifters will always have lifts that seems big for the average gym rat.
Without these lifting aids, the difference won't be as big.
You also claim that the manufacturers support the sport. And that is quite true.
But if there were no gear except belt and singlet, the lifters wouldn't have to pay $200 for a shirt, instead they could put that money DIRECTLY into entry fees. You follow? Everyone would be a winner, except INZER, TITAN and the rest of them.
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Lets get something straight here:
A 600 lbs squat in one of the clown feds could perhaps be equalled to somewhere between 405-445 lbs completely RAW, and with strict squatting rules.
What are you so afraid of? That regular gym lifters and bodybuilders will be close to your lifting numbers, or perhaps even be higher?
With suits and equipment, powerlifters will always have lifts that seems big for the average gym rat.
Without these lifting aids, the difference won't be as big.
You also claim that the manufacturers support the sport. And that is quite true.
But if there were no gear except belt and singlet, the lifters wouldn't have to pay $200 for a shirt, instead they could put that money DIRECTLY into entry fees. You follow? Everyone would be a winner, except INZER, TITAN and the rest of them.
the lack of size in Billy's legs should tell you that his "squats" are all shallow, i doubt he could squat 500 raw to legal depth.
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Van, you are wrong.
Please elaborate. You don't think the majority hate the gear, hate how the gear is getting stronger and stronger all the time. Hate having to learn how to use it, having to get it tailored, constantly having to buy new suits etc.
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Hmmmm.I wonder how my small legs[hamstrings are part of the leg]allow me to pull 788 at super,777 at 308 and 735 at 275?Also,do you take into account that perhaps my legs were a bit small this year because I was coming off a full rupture of the patella tendon and a shattered knee cap one year earlier?By the way,I dont lift raw in meets,but I did squat 705 at 242 in the USPF IN 1994[THEN BOMBED IN THE BENCH].Oh well,I guess I will just take my 942 squat at super,881 at 308 and 855 at 275 in gear and be happy with it.Luckily we only have to impress the judges,not the internet icons who try to judge over the net but never seem to actually compete themselves.
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Hmmmm.I wonder how my small legs[hamstrings are part of the leg]allow me to pull 788 at super,777 at 308 and 735 at 275?Also,do you take into account that perhaps my legs were a bit small this year because I was coming off a full rupture of the patella tendon and a shattered knee cap one year earlier?By the way,I dont lift raw in meets,but I did squat 705 at 242 in the USPF IN 1994[THEN BOMBED IN THE BENCH].Oh well,I guess I will just take my 942 squat at super,881 at 308 and 855 at 275 in gear and be happy with it.Luckily we only have to impress the judges,not the internet icons who try to judge over the net but never seem to actually compete themselves.
Epic try to not sound angry in meltdown
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with the big weights these guys are using, you would definitely have a lot of torn pecs/shoulder injuries if everybody was benching raw.
I do think its strange that the world record in the bench has jumped like it has.
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Hmmmm.I wonder how my small legs[hamstrings are part of the leg]allow me to pull 788 at super,777 at 308 and 735 at 275?Also,do you take into account that perhaps my legs were a bit small this year because I was coming off a full rupture of the patella tendon and a shattered knee cap one year earlier?By the way,I dont lift raw in meets,but I did squat 705 at 242 in the USPF IN 1994[THEN BOMBED IN THE BENCH].Oh well,I guess I will just take my 942 squat at super,881 at 308 and 855 at 275 in gear and be happy with it.Luckily we only have to impress the judges,not the internet icons who try to judge over the net but never seem to actually compete themselves.
Bro.. no offence,
but I think your 705 squat in a legit fed versus a 942 in a high squat-multi ply-monolift fed speak volumes of how much the equipment accounts for.
But you've always been a great deadlifter, and that lift doesn't change a whole lot between feds.
You were doing a USPF meet, what numbers are you targeting and what weight class?
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Well,one squat was done at a drug free[two years clean] 242,the other was done at a juiced up 330 6 years later.I know you supporters of Usapl/IPF style lifting think we dont get stronger and we just wear more and more gear,but I would think even you might admit that one might be a tad bit stronger at 330 on juice then he would at 242 drug free.However,understand that unlike many others,I wear gear to squat more weight,not to protect myself.I do disagree with you about the judging.That might be the case now,but when I first lifted in the APF,the judges were the same guys that sat in the chairs in the USPF.Now,its different,but then the judging was the same,just no drug testing and we lifted in multi-plies.
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Well,one squat was done at a drug free[two years clean] 242,the other was done at a juiced up 330 6 years later.I know you supporters of Usapl/IPF style lifting think we dont get stronger and we just wear more and more gear,but I would think even you might admit that one might be a tad bit stronger at 330 on juice then he would at 242 drug free.However,understand that unlike many others,I wear gear to squat more weight,not to protect myself.I do disagree with you about the judging.That might be the case now,but when I first lifted in the APF,the judges were the same guys that sat in the chairs in the USPF.Now,its different,but then the judging was the same,just no drug testing and we lifted in multi-plies.
Cool.
You decided on what meet you're doing yet?
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Sorry,I didnt anser your question.To be honest,Ive been trying to switch,but I dont know if I can do it.My knee makes it VERY hard to walk out with weights,but even harder to walk back in after the lift.The problem is my range of motion is pretty limited.Im going to get A.R.T. done on it to see if they can break up scar tissue.However,if I was healthy I would think I could go 755,600,750 at 275.My single ply bench is the same[especially with the new single plies]I always pull in the 700s,however,the squat might prove to be a problem.I could squat that weight pretty easily,but could I get it set up and passed?Not sure.
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"clean for 2 yr"
and really dont get those sentences, either you are a lifetime natty or not
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The rule was clean for at least one year.I follow the rules.
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The rule was clean for at least one year.I follow the rules.
Respect.
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"clean for 2 yr"
and really dont get those sentences, either you are a lifetime natty or not
Did he say natty for 2 years or clean for 2 years?
Nattty for 2 years is BS, clean for 2 years means he didn't take anything.
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I said drug free for two years.Im not natural,wouldnt want to be natural,have no interest in lifting natural,dont like natural lifters,think the whole drug free movement is the dumbest thing in American sports,think drug testing is a violation of our civil rights,think that ANYONE who would take his cock out and piss in a cup while some a-hole watched is a fool.Does that answer the question.I came off for two years because of money situations and a lack of a connection.This was in 1991-92 when everything was dry.
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I said drug free for two years.Im not natural,wouldnt want to be natural,have no interest in lifting natural,dont like natural lifters,think the whole drug free movement is the dumbest thing in American sports,think drug testing is a violation of our civil rights,think that ANYONE who would take his cock out and piss in a cup while some a-hole watched is a fool.Does that answer the question.I came off for two years because of money situations and a lack of a connection.This was in 1991-92 when everything was dry.
haha, you're an idiot.
So you are saying people who don't take steroids in sports are dumb?
Dumbest post of the month.
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I said drug free for two years.Im not natural,wouldnt want to be natural,have no interest in lifting natural,dont like natural lifters,think the whole drug free movement is the dumbest thing in American sports,think drug testing is a violation of our civil rights,think that ANYONE who would take his cock out and piss in a cup while some a-hole watched is a fool.Does that answer the question.I came off for two years because of money situations and a lack of a connection.This was in 1991-92 when everything was dry.
I, of course, totally disagree with you on all of this. ;D
But I'll give you credit for not trying to cheat within a drugtested fed.
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I, of course, totally disagree with you on all of this. ;D
But I'll give you credit for not trying to cheat within a drugtested fed.
haahahaaaa, competing in natural competitions as a juicer is the most pathetic thing there is. You have to have less self value feelings than a man with no arms challenged to a tennis match.
It's like playing chess against blind people.
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haahahaaaa, competing in natural competitions as a juicer is the most pathetic thing there is. You have to have less self value feelings than a man with no arms challenged to a tennis match.
It's like playing chess against blind people.
This kind of reminds me of the incident that got retards banned from competing in the Paralympics:
Spain won the Retard Class in Basketball. Party-Party, Fiesta-Fiesta, right?
Not quite. After the Paralympics it turned out that several, if not all, of the players on the team, weren't retarded. But just acted like they were.
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/positive14.jpg)
After this little mishap, the Paralympics realized that anyone could act retarded if they really tried. ;D
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This kind of reminds me of the incident that got retards banned from competing in the Paralympics:
Spain won the Retard Class in Basketball. Party-Party, Fiesta-Fiesta, right?
Not quite. After the Paralympics it turned out that several, if not all, of the players on the team, weren't retarded. But just acted like they were.
After this little mishap, the Paralympics realized that anyone could act retarded if they really tried. ;D
Well, actually competing in a game for retarded if you aren't retarded IS quite retarded. So that means they couldn't be disqualified i guess.
Paradox, huh??
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The drug free movement in this country and worldwide is the single most retarded thing ever to exist in sports.Guys like DR.WADLER and Dick Pound [a perfect name for him]have done more to kill athletics then any two men on the face of the earth.What drug free federations do is to presume guilt and YOU have to prove innocense,something totally against everything this country stands for.Drug testing is a violation of civil rights plain and simple.Its the same thing as police busting in your door hoping to find you doing something wrong.Compete drug free if you want,but dont try to enforce your twisted views of morality on me.
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Bench shirts have been in the sport for thirty freaking years.Yes,they add numbers,but if everyone uses them,what seems to be the problem.I know that synthol,calf implants,t-3,dnp,growth hormone etc. is what makes bodybuilding far more legit,but gear in powerlifting is here to stay.By the way,everytime they try to put on a RAW meet,NO ONE SHOWS UP because they are boooooooooring as hell.
WHY USE THEM AT ALL? It defeats the purpose of finding out how strong you actually are.
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The drug free movement in this country and worldwide is the single most retarded thing ever to exist in sports.
Guys like DR.WADLER and Dick Pound [a perfect name for him]have done more to kill athletics then any two men on the face of the earth.
What drug free federations do is to presume guilt and YOU have to prove innocense,something totally against everything this country stands for.
Drug testing is a violation of civil rights plain and simple. Its the same thing as police busting in your door hoping to find you doing something wrong. Compete drug free if you want,but dont try to enforce your twisted views of morality on me.
How about laying off the roids and investing in typewriting lessons?
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How about actually going to a gym and train.This is a lifting forum is it not?One would think the first qualification should be to actually lift.Then again,your a drug free nut swinger so why would I expect you to lift.Carry on little man.
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The drug free movement in this country and worldwide is the single most retarded thing ever to exist in sports.Guys like DR.WADLER and Dick Pound [a perfect name for him]have done more to kill athletics then any two men on the face of the earth.What drug free federations do is to presume guilt and YOU have to prove innocense,something totally against everything this country stands for.Drug testing is a violation of civil rights plain and simple.Its the same thing as police busting in your door hoping to find you doing something wrong.Compete drug free if you want,but dont try to enforce your twisted views of morality on me.
I disagree.
Dick Pound is a standup guy who's done more than most to take sports to a new level. I don't see how you think he's such a bad guy for helping sports to uphold their drugfree policies? What's wrong with trying to make it a level playing field?
If Pound is successful, it will be like in untested powerlifting. A level playing field. And I don't see what's wrong with that.
Vinokourov, Rasmussen, Sinkewitz and the other big time cyclists getting caught during the Tour de France is a testament that it will be possible to win at the highest level without using. It becomes more difficult to cheat.
Also, nobody is forcing you to compete in these sports. It's a free choice to participate in these sports, and if you do, then you are agreeing with the rules of these federations.
Quite simple.
Another thing: I don't see how drugfree federations are presuming guilt. Quite the contrary. If the A-test is positive, the B-sample will be tested, if the athlete asks for it. If the first test is negative, the B-sample isn't touched.
And the drugfree feds I know of never bans anyone until there is a positive test. Most federations don't even ban until there is a ruling, they will just give out a temporary suspension while the case is discussed.
And sometimes not even that.
So I don't understand how you can state that drugfree feds presume guilt. Please give an example of such then. And don't give me Lance Armstrong. Because Lance Armstrong has never been accused by any fed, but rather by media.
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How about actually going to a gym and train.This is a lifting forum is it not?One would think the first qualification should be to actually lift.Then again,your a drug free nut swinger so why would I expect you to lift.Carry on little man.
hahaha, meltdown!!
Plus, as a bonus, the typicla fear of drug users that a natural could actually be better then they are. At least, we don't cheat to lift heavy. :-* :-*
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The drug free movement in this country and worldwide is the single most retarded thing ever to exist in sports.Guys like DR.WADLER and Dick Pound [a perfect name for him]have done more to kill athletics then any two men on the face of the earth.What drug free federations do is to presume guilt and YOU have to prove innocense,something totally against everything this country stands for.Drug testing is a violation of civil rights plain and simple.Its the same thing as police busting in your door hoping to find you doing something wrong.Compete drug free if you want,but dont try to enforce your twisted views of morality on me.
Bill, congrats on your lifting achievements. We have pretenders here who could NEVER pull off a 2X Body Weight bench
even w/ the best coaching and custom tailored double ply shirt and free access to any steroid. Your raw bench will kill most of their. SO will mine.
One even told me when I tried to help him increase his bench "I have no interest in increasing my bench".
This is just jealous put down. What are their accomplishments in Life? ;D Not fucking much I will tell you.
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Soon, there will be hydraulic pumps in the sleeves of the bench shirts!! Bodybuilders wear knee wraps/elbow sleeves/wrist wraps as support for joints. I dont know anyone who's has elbow wraps that increases their bench by 300 pounds.
QFT right there!
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I disagree.
Dick Pound is a standup guy who's done more than most to take sports to a new level. I don't see how you think he's such a bad guy for helping sports to uphold their drugfree policies? What's wrong with trying to make it a level playing field?
If Pound is successful, it will be like in untested powerlifting. A level playing field. And I don't see what's wrong with that.
Vinokourov, Rasmussen, Sinkewitz and the other big time cyclists getting caught during the Tour de France is a testament that it will be possible to win at the highest level without using. It becomes more difficult to cheat.
Also, nobody is forcing you to compete in these sports. It's a free choice to participate in these sports, and if you do, then you are agreeing with the rules of these federations.
Quite simple.
Another thing: I don't see how drugfree federations are presuming guilt. Quite the contrary. If the A-test is positive, the B-sample will be tested, if the athlete asks for it. If the first test is negative, the B-sample isn't touched.
And the drugfree feds I know of never bans anyone until there is a positive test. Most federations don't even ban until there is a ruling, they will just give out a temporary suspension while the case is discussed.
And sometimes not even that.
So I don't understand how you can state that drugfree feds presume guilt. Please give an example of such then. And don't give me Lance Armstrong. Because Lance Armstrong has never been accused by any fed, but rather by media.
IF YOU DONT THINK ALL THE CYCLISTS CHEAT YOUR STUPID!
The gearing is humanly impossible to run the grades inthe time they do today. They are the worst of the worst.
EVERY SINGLE ONE!
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Bill, congrats on your lifting achievements. We have pretenders here who could NEVER pull off a 2X Body Weight bench
even w/ the best coaching and custom tailored double ply shirt and free access to any steroid. Your raw bench will kill most of their. SO will mine.
One even told me when I tried to help him increase his bench "I have no interest in increasing my bench".
This is just jealous put down. What are their accomplishments in Life? ;D Not fucking much I will tell you.
Hhaahaa, do you really mean this???
Is that what you accomplish? A better bench? Pathetic.
I care for my family, my job, being healthy and enjoying life, having fun in lifting.
My bench is the last thing on the line. It's absolutely unimportant in life how much you bench.
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IF YOU DONT THINK ALL THE CYCLISTS CHEAT YOUR STUPID!
The gearing is humanly impossible to run the grades inthe time they do today. They are the worst of the worst.
EVERY SINGLE ONE!
TBH, I have a bit of trouble understanding your post. Could you perhaps clearify?
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TBH, I have a bit of trouble understanding your post. Could you perhaps clearify?
Do you think every one of the cyclists dont cheat? If so your in fantasy land.
Piss tests may as well be thrown out totaly. They are SO easy to beat. Blood test is likely not much harder to beat today. Drugs are EVERYWHERE in the top levels of sports. Records were set by Dopers, they will not be broken by Naturals. Simple.
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Hhaahaa, do you really mean this???
Is that what you accomplish? A better bench? Pathetic.
I care for my family, my job, being healthy and enjoying life, having fun in lifting.
My bench is the last thing on the line. It's absolutely unimportant in life how much you bench.
Do you have children? Billy does Im sure. I do to. Im quite healthy thank you.
It may be unimportant to you how much you bench, it is a pursuit of strength for many.
And the more you can bench, the thicker your torso gets.
BTW, I care quite well 4 my family, Im sure Im living much better than you ever will ;)
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IF YOU DONT THINK ALL THE CYCLISTS CHEAT YOUR STUPID!
The gearing is humanly impossible to run the grades inthe time they do today. They are the worst of the worst.
EVERY SINGLE ONE!
Trab,
I used to race against guys like Andy Hampsten (Giro d' Italia winner). We climbed in 39x 23 gearing, which for a guy weighing 140 pounds, means you can climb moderately steep grades at 16+ mph. I weighed 152 at the time and was always dropped when guys like him gassed it. I was not on his level. lol. At least not on the climbs.
In the modern Tour de France, the gearing hasn't changed at all. Lance Armstrong reportedly used 39x 21 and 39x22 cogs on Alpe d'Huez when he won the time trial a few years ago. He had a faster turnover (cadence) than most but that was about it.
For comparison, the great Eddy Merckx was a gear grinder, and reports back int he day had him using 44 x 21 or larger on may steep climbs. So if anything, the gearing has gotten lower, not higher.
Do some cyclists dope? Absolutely. Do all cyclists dope? No way. I trained with Steve Bauer (former yellow jersey winner at the Tour) and he is adamantly against drugs. he refused to join a Spanish team because he was told he had to subscribe to their medical program, in the early 90's. He knew what that meant, so he declined.
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Do you think every one of the cyclists dont cheat? If so your in fantasy land.
Piss tests may as well be thrown out totaly. They are SO easy to beat. Blood test is likely not much harder to beat today. Drugs are EVERYWHERE in the top levels of sports. Records were set by Dopers, they will not be broken by Naturals. Simple.
In cycling, there are blood tests. They test the hematocrit levels of all the cyclists during the season, and if the levels differs too much, they will be suspended five days for medical reasons, but also monitored further.
Jan Ullrich was tested 20 times last May, eg.
I don't know all the ins and outs about the drug testing, but I know that there's been a drastic drop in results in a quite a few sports. Which is a tell tale sign of effective anti-doping activity.
But as far as cycling, I think you and I are pretty much in agreement: Most riders are or at least used to be on EPO or other enhancing drugs.
This year we've seen a slight change in how the cycle races were ran: no more high speed "trains", leading off for Petacchi or Cippolini, meaning that the sprint teams couldn't hold the extreme speed for the last mile.
But some cases are very suspect: How did DiLuca and Rasmussen go from being crappy Time Trialists to producing awesome on those stages?
So yeah, obviously still lots of shit going on in cycling.
Your statement about how the piss tests are easy to beat, please elaborate.
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How would lifting not be important on a lifting website?If your so proud of you family,go post on a family website.By the way ANYONE who says steroid use is cheating is an obvious lunatic who doesnt know crap about lifting.If there is no testing how can it be cheating?Typical nut job drug free idiot.Dont care about what you lift or what your built like the get the F$$K out of here and leave the lifting talk to avtual lifters.Screwball!!!
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How would lifting not be important on a lifting website?If your so proud of you family,go post on a family website.By the way ANYONE who says steroid use is cheating is an obvious lunatic who doesnt know crap about lifting.If there is no testing how can it be cheating?Typical nut job drug free idiot.Dont care about what you lift or what your built like the get the F$$K out of here and leave the lifting talk to avtual lifters.Screwball!!!
Obviously, it's only cheating as long as you compete, and use, in drugfree organisations.
Using and competing in nontested federations is a totally different story. The only thing that could interfer then, is whether the substances are legal or not. But I see this as a different issue.
In a federation where the rules stipulate the athletes to be drugfree, it would be important to upheld those rules.
That's why IFBB could be considered hypocritical when they don't impliment drug testing on their Pro bodybuilders.
They claim to have a drugfree federation, but do little to upheld that.
IMO, IFBB should either drop the anti-doping policy altogether, or start walking the walk.
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Trab,
I used to race against guys like Andy Hampsten (Giro d' Italia winner). We climbed in 39x 23 gearing, which for a guy weighing 140 pounds, means you can climb moderately steep grades at 16+ mph. I weighed 152 at the time and was always dropped when guys like him gassed it. I was not on his level. lol. At least not on the climbs.
In the modern Tour de France, the gearing hasn't changed at all. Lance Armstrong reportedly used 39x 21 and 39x22 cogs on Alpe d'Huez when he won the time trial a few years ago. He had a faster turnover (cadence) than most but that was about it.
For comparison, the great Eddy Merckx was a gear grinder, and reports back int he day had him using 44 x 21 or larger on may steep climbs. So if anything, the gearing has gotten lower, not higher.
Do some cyclists dope? Absolutely. Do all cyclists dope? No way. I trained with Steve Bauer (former yellow jersey winner at the Tour) and he is adamantly against drugs. he refused to join a Spanish team because he was told he had to subscribe to their medical program, in the early 90's. He knew what that meant, so he declined.
Thanks, I dont know a lot about the sport. Frankly the absurd levels of hemocrit manipulation is what got my interest.
I gusee I was swayed by, the ESPN story. Writers neither compete or dope. I can tell you know what your talk'n about.
Competition at these levels is fierce in any sport. hypobaric chambers and training facilities ::).
I bet if we all could know the whole Gods eye truth of how many competitors use some little edge of one kind or another it would be shocking. Hey, in the end the best wins! They all can cheat. Its a matter of getting away with it.
Frankly, the hemocrit levels some of these guys have run would kill many of the general population is my understanding. Oxygen in Blood Baby! Choke down some Anapolons and pump some iron and tell me your impression ;)!
No, not all are on EPO. But there's geting to be a lot of very strange unknown compounds used all the time.
Good luck with your sporting pursuits :). I honestly dont know that much about the cyclists, but they are becoming more interesting all the time.
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Your statement about how the piss tests are easy to beat, please elaborate.
There are so many drugs that can't be tested for. So many drugs not even on the list. Take insulin for example. If a cyclist hooks himself up to an IV and shoots insulin to recover quicker then IMO that is not very "drug free".
And Patrick Arnold is hardly the only one with the VIDA book, so I'm sure there are tons of designer steroids made and used.
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There are so many drugs that can't be tested for. So many drugs not even on the list. Take insulin for example. If a cyclist hooks himself up to an IV and shoots insulin to recover quicker then IMO that is not very "drug free".
And Patrick Arnold is hardly the only one with the VIDA book, so I'm sure there are tons of designer steroids made and used.
Insulin seems like a good choice for a cyclist straight after a stage, since it's a very anabolic hormone, and the body levels probably returns to normal fairly quick?
BTW, what is the "VIDA book"?
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Insulin seems like a good choice for a cyclist straight after a stage, since it's a very anabolic hormone, and the body levels probably returns to normal fairly quick?
BTW, what is the "VIDA book"?
Vida, Julius A. Androgens and Anabolic Agents: Chemistry and Pharmacology. Academic Press 1969.
It's a book about steroids, their anabolic/androgenic ratings and such. All the designer steroids that were, and still are sold OTC are in there. That's how the supplement companies found them. Since a lot of them were never sold commercially or tested in humans they are not on any banned list.
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How would lifting not be important on a lifting website?If your so proud of you family,go post on a family website.By the way ANYONE who says steroid use is cheating is an obvious lunatic who doesnt know crap about lifting.If there is no testing how can it be cheating?Typical nut job drug free idiot.Dont care about what you lift or what your built like the get the F$$K out of here and leave the lifting talk to avtual lifters.Screwball!!!
hey MIMNAUGH,
Your fat, roided up ass is getting handed to you in this thread and you're just melting down like a drama queen. You need to log off Getbig for two weeks and take a break. You need it, apparently.
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hey MIMNAUGH,
Your fat, roided up ass is getting handed to you in this thread and you're just melting down like a drama queen. You need to log off Getbig for two weeks and take a break. You need it, apparently.
Fat Roide'd up ass? I bet your a impressive sight to behold and list of life accomplishments... :-X
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Here for all the PAB's watch Ryan in action and tell me he's not strong ::)
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Oh, God he use a bench shirt sometimes to... well this 600 X 2 in a T-shirt aint what I'd call a "Bench shirt".
Face it you whiners are weak.
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Here for all the PAB's watch Ryan in action and tell me he's not strong ::)
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Oh, God he use a bench shirt sometimes to... well this 600 X 2 in a T-shirt aint what I'd call a "Bench shirt".
Face it you whiners are weak.
By the way, that video is OLD and he is WAYYYYY bigger and stronger now.
Chris
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Hey Joey Tito,try to lift some weights little man.Posting wont get you bigger or stronger,only lifting will.By the way ,Im STRONGER THEN any OF THESE LITTLE TINY MEN POSTING ON THIS THREAD,so their opinions about lifting are SH**.
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I "Wish" that I could lift that much :o I still will give him his props 8)
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kennelly hits 585x2 and 405x20 for easy reps totally raw. anyone trying to claim he's not a fucking powerhouse is retarded.
the shirts are a part of the sport. period. yammering on a message board won't make them go away. they aren't cheating, because to be cheating implies that you have them but other people don't and you're not allowed to in the first place. it's like saying shoes are cheating for sprinters.
so you can do one of two things. you can do what ryan is doing and just compete and break a world record, or you can sit around bitching and moaning. you can compete raw if you'd like, but when you do nothing but cry about the other guys, it just smacks of bitter jealousy.
ryan's 1036 is the strongest shirted bench anyone has ever done. he is the strongest.
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kennelly hits 585x2 and 405x20 for easy reps totally raw. anyone trying to claim he's not a fucking powerhouse is retarded.
the shirts are a part of the sport. period. yammering on a message board won't make them go away. they aren't cheating, because to be cheating implies that you have them but other people don't and you're not allowed to in the first place. it's like saying shoes are cheating for sprinters.
so you can do one of two things. you can do what ryan is doing and just compete and break a world record, or you can sit around bitching and moaning. you can compete raw if you'd like, but when you do nothing but cry about the other guys, it just smacks of bitter jealousy.
ryan's 1036 is the strongest shirted bench anyone has ever done. he is the strongest.
Did he push 1036? I don't follow it that close, but these whining punks here are babies.
Look at the thickness of the guy. Look how he toys with 3-4 plates a side in a T-shirt :o.
ANyone who calls themself a BBer or weightlifter and dont respect that is a total jerk.
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Did he push 1036? I don't follow it that close, but these whining punks here are babies.
Look at the thickness of the guy. Look how he toys with 3-4 plates a side in a T-shirt :o.
ANyone who calls themself a BBer or weightlifter and dont respect that is a total jerk.
His opener is online.
It looked incredibly easy. NOTE!!! This is NOT the 1036 lbs lift!!!! Just the opener!
http://www.kondraschow.de/meloch/Kennely417_5.wmv
It's fair to say that Kennelly is in another league than Mendelson and Rychlak right now.
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His opener is online.
It looked incredibly easy. NOTE!!! This is NOT the 1036 lbs lift!!!! Just the opener!
http://www.kondraschow.de/meloch/Kennely417_5.wmv
It's fair to say that Kennelly is in another league than Mendelson and Rychlak right now.