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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: The Next BIG Thing! on August 22, 2007, 07:36:50 PM
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Here's what I know, sorry - think.
Religion, whether organised and communal or private personal faith, is a fundamental nonsense.
I mean, people who believe in some supreme being that they've never seen, gotta be nuts. Psychotic if ya wanna get technical.
Those who claim to believe in such a thing, because it brings approval from other idiots, they are just liars.
Ergo: Religion = Horseshit.
TNBT
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I think you would be a nine percenter? :)
God’s Numbers
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows that 91 percent of American adults surveyed believe in God—and nearly half reject the theory of evolution.
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 9:04 a.m. HT March 31, 2007
March 30, 2007 - A belief in God and an identification with an organized religion are widespread throughout the country, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Nine in 10 (91 percent) of American adults say they believe in God and almost as many (87 percent) say they identify with a specific religion. Christians far outnumber members of any other faith in the country, with 82 percent of the poll’s respondents identifying themselves as such. Another 5 percent say they follow a non-Christian faith, such as Judaism or Islam. Nearly half (48 percent) of the public rejects the scientific theory of evolution; one-third (34 percent) of college graduates say they accept the Biblical account of creation as fact. Seventy-three percent of Evangelical Protestants say they believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years; 39 percent of non-Evangelical Protestants and 41 percent of Catholics agree with that view.
Although one in ten (10 percent) of Americans identify themselves as having "no religion," only six percent said they don’t believe in a God at all. Just 3 percent of the public self-identifies as atheist, suggesting that the term may carry some stigma. Still, the poll suggests that the public’s tolerance of this small minority has increased in recent years. Nearly half (47 percent) of the respondents felt the country is more accepting of atheists today that it used to be and slightly more (49 percent) reported personally knowing an atheist. Those numbers are higher among respondents under 30 years old, 62 percent of whom report knowing an atheist (compared to just 43 percent of those 50 and older). Sixty-one percent of the under-30 cohort view society as more accepting of atheists (compared to 40 percent of the Americans 50 and older).
Still, it is unlikely that a political candidate would serve him or herself well by declaring their atheism. Six in ten (62 percent) registered voters say they would not vote for a candidate who is an atheist. Majorities of each major party — 78 percent of Repulicans and 60 percent of Democrats — rule out such an option. Just under half (45 percent) of registered independents would not vote for an atheist. Still more than a third (36 percent) of Americans think the influence of organized religion on American politics has increased in recent years. But the public is still split over whether religion has too much (32 percent) or too little (31 percent) influence on American politics. Democrats tend to fall in the "too much" camp (42 percent of them, as opposed to 29 percent who see too little influence) as Republicans take the opposite view (42 percent too little; 14 percent too much). In the poll, 68 percent of respondents said they believed someone could be moral and an atheist, compared to 26 percent who said it was not possible.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17879317/site/newsweek/
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=155031.0
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Religion is teh Green Horse.
Get it right! >:(
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religion sucks.
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Dunno what the Green Horse bit means. Let me know? ???
As for that survey... all that means is that 91% of Americans are liars, weirdos or confused fuckheads.
Or they just thought Hey I'm being axed a question 'bout Gawd, better give the answer folks expect of me!
TNBT :P
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Dunno what the Green Horse bit means. Let me know? ???
As for that survey... all that means is that 91% of Americans are liars, weirdos or confused fuckheads.
Or they just thought Hey I'm being axed a question 'bout Gawd, better give the answer folks expect of me!
TNBT :P
Can you explain the expanse of the universe; because I think that is what we are all looking for? We just wanna know how we got here and where we are going or are we going anywhere (I am referring to the human race when I say we FYI)! thanks!
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Can you explain the expanse of the universe; because I think that is what we are all looking for? We just wanna know how we got here and where we are going or are we going anywhere (I am referring to the human race when I say we FYI)! thanks!
The prevailing theory is that quantum fluctuations in the vacuum of space were pulled far apart during the Big Bang. Normally these fluctuations result in pairs of virtual particles that come into existence briefly and then annihilate each other. However, the rapid expansion of the universe during the Big Bang separated these particle pairs before they had time to couple thus making them 'real.' The particles created by quantum fluctuations have the ability to become either matter or energy.
American Scientist (peer reviewed journal)
http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/14770
Matter and energy were interchangeable during the earliest moments after the Big Bang. Colliding photons formed particle-pairs, and matter/anti-matter annihilation created photons. The very instant these photons were created, they immediately converted into matter and vice versa. It wasn't until 10-12 sec. after the Big Bang that quarks and electrons were able to exist separate from photons.
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/InTheBeginning.html
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/early.html
As space expanded, it began to cool down. The universe entered the nucleosynthesis epoch during which the first hydrogen atoms began to form. However, the distribution of hydrogen gas in the universe was not homogenous. Over time, regions of higher density collapsed and coalesced due to gravitational forces. These clouds of collapsing interstellar hydrogen were so massive that the gravitational forces at the center caused the atoms to ignite in a process called fusion. Thus the first stars in our universe were born.
The process of fusion produces many new elements. Stars fuse hydrogen to helium, and helium to heavier atoms. Heavier elements are formed in denser areas of the star. These elements were blasted out into space when the earliest stars underwent supernova.
There is evidence that heavy-element formation occurs in stars.
"observations in red giants of one kind of nucleus – 99technetium – provides direct evidence that heavy-element formation really does occur in stars today."
Wright Center for Science Education
http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/text/text_stel_6.html (http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/text/text_stel_6.html)
The newly formed elements that were casted into space existed in the form of rocks and gas clouds, which coalesced to form planets, moons, and other celestial bodies. It was only a matter of time before the elements released from stars gathered on one of the planets that is hospitable for life, such as Earth, and combined to form molecules that combined to form amino acids, which evolved into very simple cells, and thus life began.
It is believed the earliest signs of life appeared 600 million years after the earth formed. These life forms were possibly derived from self-reproducing RNA molecules. The replication of these organisms required resources which soon became limited, resulting in natural selection. DNA molecules then took over as the main replicators. They began to develop inside enclosed membranes which provided a stable environment for replication: proto-cells. 100 million years passed before cells resembling prokaryotes appeared. These organisms were chemoautotrophs. Another 900 million years passed before photosynthesizing cyanobacteria evolved which produced oxygen. The oxygen concentration in the atmosphere subsequently rose. Eventually, more complex cells began to appear: the eukaryotes. After 2 billion years, the first multicellular organisms evolved. Natural selection fueled the evolutionary radiation that occurred during the last 1 billion years. Homo sapiens (modern humans) didn't appear until approximately 200,000 years ago.
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religion sucks.
I agree with you, Camel Jockey!
Now, a relationship with Jesus Christ, that is different! ;D
John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
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I agree with you, Camel Jockey!
Now, a relationship with Jesus Christ, that is different! ;D
John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
I do believe in a god. I don't think a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is remotely possible or real. I think we value all things along secular humanist lines (b/c that is all we really know) and religious folk use biblical references to justify their prejudices regarding the conclusions drawn from everyday experience. Religion is the ultimate rhetorical device b/c what person can challenge god?
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I do believe in a god. I don't think a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is remotely possible or real. I think we value all things along secular humanist lines (b/c that is all we really know) and religious folk use biblical references to justify their prejudices regarding the conclusions drawn from everyday experience. Religion is the ultimate rhetorical device b/c what person can challenge god?
Fair enough, Decker! I, for one, know from personal experience, and later through reading the Bible, that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is not only possible, but very real as well.
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Fair enough, Decker! I, for one, know from personal experience, and later through reading the Bible, that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is not only possible, but very real as well.
Hey, what do I know? From my own limited foray into daily experience, speculative thought and academic research I come to these conclusions of mine. I respect your candor. Just b/c we disagree doesn't diminish or contradict our respective assertions.
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Hey, what do I know? From my own limited foray into daily experience, speculative thought and academic research I come to these conclusions of mine. I respect your candor. Just b/c we disagree doesn't diminish or contradict our respective assertions.
Thanks, Decker! And I respect your opinion, knowledge and experience!
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loco, I have a personal relationship with Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I pray that one day you too will be blessed with knowledge of the true god, Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that He may bless you with His noodly appendage. RAMEN.
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Thanks, Decker! And I respect your opinion, knowledge and experience!
Thanks loco.
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I agree with you, Camel Jockey!
Now, a relationship with Jesus Christ, that is different! ;D
John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
agree
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loco, I have a personal relationship with Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I pray that one day you too will be blessed with knowledge of the true god, Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that He may bless you with His noodly appendage. RAMEN.
;D
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;D
Yeah, I like how it ends w/RAMEN ;D
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Yep, as you guys have shown, I'm right!
A whole thread of horseshit.
Loco and Decker are too busy respecting each other to get any work done! I take it you guys are being smart-ass?
A ;)
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Religion has it's good points but it's about as perfect as a 3 sided hand drawn square.
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Yep, as you guys have shown, I'm right!
A whole thread of horseshit.
Loco and Decker are too busy respecting each other to get any work done! I take it you guys are being smart-ass?
A ;)
You seem to be against organized religion viewing it as a collection of fairy tales. I understand that. But the religious impulse is in everyone, like it or not, b/c it deals with making some sort of sense out of the unknown such as the source of personal values which give rise to ideals and such. Mythological/symbolic edification of the unknown--giving it a face or a moral code--is what organized religion is about. Religiosity, the trappings of faith, debase the religious impulse even further--the crucifex, the menorrah, the Eucharist--all those smack of religiosity and in my opinion, idolatry. That's a far cry from the original religious impulse common to us all.
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loco, I have a personal relationship with Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I pray that one day you too will be blessed with knowledge of the true god, Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that He may bless you with His noodly appendage. RAMEN.
also, if you heathens dont Convert and Submit to OLTFSM, to abandon your idols and false beliefs...........we will kill you.
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also, if you heathens dont Convert and Submit to OLTFSM, to abandon your idols and false beliefs...........we will kill you.
No, no, we don't kill... but our God does!
But beware, loco and other idolaters, Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you, but if you don't worship Him He will FVKKIN KILL YOU!!!!!!
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(http://www.landoverbaptist.net/image.php?u=7&type=sigpic&dateline=1184702724)
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Dass wot aaaaaaah'm talkin' 'bout!
Well done Columbus/Camel Jockey! Shameless irreverence!
Magic!
A ;)
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No, no, we don't kill... but our God does!
But beware, loco and other idolaters, Our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you, but if you don't worship Him He will FVKKIN KILL YOU!!!!!!
interesting...
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(http://www.landoverbaptist.net/image.php?u=7&type=sigpic&dateline=1184702724)
Actually He loves all those people too :)
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Actually He loves all those people too :)
No he doesn't. Have you read the Bible? Enough with this "gentle Jesus meek and mild" business. Jesus hates. Deal with it !!!
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Actually He loves all those people too :)
He loves em? If they don't accept him he'll see them burn in hell. That's conditional love.
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Religion IS horseshit HYPOCRISY. It's so easy to understand that based on how at least a few bodybuilders talk about the doctrine of the almighty God when they always want you to believe they are driven to be so competitive to the point of thriving of their egotistical nature.
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No he doesn't. Have you read the Bible? Enough with this "gentle Jesus meek and mild" business. Jesus hates. Deal with it !!!
Yes I've read the Bible. Jesus loves us all! God bless us, every one :)
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are you saying this is jesus?
i knew i saw him somewhere :D you have to see it to believe it ;D
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He loves em? If they don't accept him he'll see them burn in hell.
Isn't it wonderful that all they have to do is accept Him? Free forgiveness made possible by Him. If some choose not to accept, that is their choice. He's not going to force anyone to spend eternity w/Him :)
That's conditional love.
No, He'll still love 'em :)
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Isn't it wonderful that all they have to do is accept Him? Free forgiveness made possible by Him. If some choose not to accept, that is their choice. He's not going to force anyone to spend eternity w/Him :)
No, He'll still love 'em :)
I find it hard to believe that anyone that loves you unconditionally would choose to see your soul burn in hell for eternity if you don't accept him.
That's about as conditional as it gets.
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OzmO, do you believe in heaven and hell?
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Stella, why haven't you accepted our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster into your heart yet?
He loves and truly wishes to bless you with His Noodly Appendage, and to nourish your eternal soul with His Giant Meatballs.
All you have to do is accept Him!
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Stella, why haven't you accepted our Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster into your heart yet?
He loves and truly wishes to bless you with His Noodly Appendage, and to nourish your eternal soul with His Giant Meatballs.
All you have to do is accept Him!
You forgot to say RAMEN! ;D
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OzmO, do you believe in heaven and hell?
Yes.
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Yes.
Do you think humans go to both? What do you think are the criteria which puts them in either place?
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I find it hard to believe that anyone that loves you unconditionally would choose to see your soul burn in hell for eternity if you don't accept him.
That's about as conditional as it gets.
change your avatar, I keep thinking u're methyl mike >:(
P.S.:You're going to hell.
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Do you think humans go to both? What do you think are the criteria which puts them in either place?
Are we talking about heaven or hell or Jesus's alleged unconditional love?
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I find it hard to believe that anyone that loves you unconditionally would choose to see your soul burn in hell for eternity if you don't accept him.
That's about as conditional as it gets.
ozmo do not bring logic and reason into this! you will burn in hell for questioning.
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ozmo do not bring logic and reason into this! you will burn in hell for questioning.
Oh sorry, i don't know who gave me this ability in my DNA for Logic and Reason, must have been Satan.
Jesus loves all and if you don't believe in him you will burn in hell.
We are imperfect wretched sinful creatures who are nothing unless we mindlessly bow down to that fact and accept Jesus.
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Oh sorry, i don't know who gave me this ability in my DNA for Logic and Reason, must have been Satan.
Jesus loves all and if you don't believe in him you will burn in hell.
We are imperfect wretched sinful creatures who are nothing unless we mindlessly bow down to that fact and accept Jesus.
Thanks to literal interpretations, all of the above are correct :D
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Teh Green Horse:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=151205.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=151205.0)
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Oh sorry, i don't know who gave me this ability in my DNA for Logic and Reason, must have been Satan.
Jesus loves all and if you don't believe in him you will burn in hell.
We are imperfect wretched sinful creatures who are nothing unless we mindlessly bow down to that fact and accept Jesus.
hahah good work ozmo.
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God didn't create hell for us humans. But we do have the choice to go there to pay for our own sins if we want to.
Matthew 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
But we also have the choice to believe and accept that Jesus Christ already paid for our sins. This is really what God wants us to choose.
2 Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.
Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
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Yeah well, quotes from the so-called Good Book are all well and good, but there's a definite pattern to Christianity.
The teachings are are like TV news soundbites, almost riddles. The 'message' is like a patronising pat on the head i.e. You mortals cannot possibly understand, so I've dumbed it down for you.
We just gotta plod along, doing what we're told and trusting that all will become clear when and if we're welcomed into the Land of Milk and Cookies or whatever the fuck it is.
Priests and Ministers have embraced the horseshit enthusiastically, of course. Spouting esoteric nonsense to idiots every weekend, hoping no-one will ask any searching questions.
The clergy isn't a job, it's a sap's excuse for being an uptight virgin. You think most of those twats are unequivocally convinced that they're doing God's work?
Tell me, when was the last time you saw a priest with the looks or charisma to hit a club and get laid?
Same with nuns. Ya think any of thise big-boned plain Janes got humped in high school? I don't THINK so!
Face it, men and women of the cloth are just inadequate saps who've opted out of real life and found a place to hide behind a stupid-ass collar/habit.
I love it too when priests are talking to congregation or individuals. They do these little emphatic hand gentures and stuff, supposed to convey sincerity and integrity!
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God didn't create hell for us humans. But we do have the choice to go there to pay for our own sins if we want to.
Matthew 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
But we also have the choice to believe and accept that Jesus Christ already paid for our sins. This is really what God wants us to choose.
2 Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.
Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
himm i thought God created everything.
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himm i thought God created everything.
It is not about who created it, but about who it was prepared for. ;)
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It is not about who created it, but about who it was prepared for. ;)
Yeah, but my questions wasn't who it was prepared for, my question was is who created hell? Because i thought he created everything......or is that not true?
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It is not about who created it, but about who it was prepared for. ;)
That's precisely the type of riddle shite I referred to a few posts ago.
TNBT
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That's precisely the type of riddle shite I referred to a few posts ago.
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How can you defend a "suspension of reason" with anything other than riddles?
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Yeah, but my questions wasn't who it was prepared for, my question was is who created hell? Because i thought he created everything......or is that not true?
OzmO, what are you arguing about? I dind't say that God did not create hell. I said that hell was not created for humans. ::)
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OzmO, what are you arguing about? I dind't say that God did not create hell. I said that hell was not created for humans. ::)
Oh ok, so he didn't create hell for humans? Who did he create hell for?
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How can you defend a "suspension of reason" with anything other than riddles?
Suspension of reason? In other words, common sense as we know it (groan!) goes out the window.
Yeah, never mind cynicism or scepticism, or even doubt. Just believe our HORSESHIT so we can control you.
That's a key word when it comes to organised religion. Control. Throughout history, churches and churchmen have been dogmatic. This is how it was, how it is, and how it's gonna be. Your tiny mortal opinion is as nothing, so best button it and do what we tell you.
Christ, the air's THICK with horseshit!
TNBT
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That's precisely the type of riddle shite I referred to a few posts ago.
TNBT
exactly....... don't worry, they always come with some kind of answers.
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Oh ok, so he didn't create hell for humans? Who did he create hell for?
for the devil and his angels.
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Oh so when we die we don't go to hell if we don't accept Jesus as our savior?
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Oh so when we die we don't go to hell if we don't accept Jesus as our savior?
***CRICKETS***
pssst- OzmO, I think you stumped them :P
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Oh so when we die we don't go to hell if we don't accept Jesus as our savior?
Wrong. Just because hell was not created for you does not mean that you won't go there if you choose to pay for your own sins. There is only one of two places where you will go when you die, Heaven or Hell. Heaven is where those who repent and believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour will go. You are either with God or you are with the devil. There is no neutral ground. So choose your side, and choose wisely.
Matthew 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son
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Wrong. Just because hell was not created for you does not mean that you won't go there if you choose to pay for your own sins. There is only one of two places where you will go when you die, Heaven or Hell. Heaven is where those who repent and believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour will go. You are either with God or you are with the devil. There is no neutral ground. So choose your side, and choose wisely.
Matthew 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son
So then, even the all the Jews are going to burn too?
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So then, even the all the Jews are going to burn too?
OzmO, Jesus was a Jew, his apostles were all Jews, the writers of the New Testament were all Jews, the first Christians and the first churches were all Jew. Salvation is not just for Jews or just for Americans. Salvation is for all.
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St Peter was the first Catholic.
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OzmO, Jesus was a Jew, his apostles were all Jews, the writers of the New Testament were all Jews, the first Christians and the first churches were all Jew. Salvation is not just for Jews or just for Americans. Salvation is for all.
So if all the Jews who ever lived since the death of Jesus only the ones who accepted Jesus will go?
So pretty much the whole Jewish religion is not the Word of God also?
Answering directly, yes or no, with an explanation or scripture quote is a great way to respond..... ;D ;)
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Aaaaaah... All this talk of hell, hades, damnation, whatever the fuck you choose to call it... Let's assume for a moment that there is some unpleasant place or tormented consciousness, to which we mortals are condemned as punishment for Earthly sins.
Can it really be the same shit for us all? I mean, what if you LIKE fire and brimstone? Surely hell must be subjective.
I'm not such a great guy, certainly don't give a fuck for the bible, so I guess I'm hellbound.
I'm not sure what my personal hell will be like, but I'm reasonably sure it'll involve rap music and that Charmed show with the skinny brunettes.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!
TNBT
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So if all the Jews who ever lived since the death of Jesus only the ones who accepted Jesus will go?
Yes
So pretty much the whole Jewish religion is not the Word of God also?
It is, and it points to Jesus.
Answering directly, yes or no, with an explanation or scripture quote is a great way to respond..... ;D ;)
Are you being sarcastic?
If you truly want an explanation and you are not just playing games, if you truly are looking for answers, why not ask a Jew?
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers
Also, read the book of Hebrews in the New Testament. Hope this helps! ;D
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What about the Jews who aren't for Jesus?
I hear there's a whole country of them...
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What about the Jews who aren't for Jesus?
Same as anybody who isn't for Jesus. Scroll up. OzmO just asked that question, and I answered.
I hear there's a whole country of them...
In Israel, there are Orthodox Jews, Christian Jews, Muslim Jews, secular Jews, etc.
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Christian Jews? Muslim Jews? Fascinating!!!
I am an orthodox Pastafarian myself. Thinking of switching to Reform Pastafarianism though.
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Christian Jews? Muslim Jews? Fascinating!!!
I am an orthodox Pastafarian myself. Thinking of switching to Reform Pastafarianism though.
What, a Jew can't convert to Christianity? A Jew can't convert to Islam?
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They can, for all I care.
Pity that so few of them have been blessed with knowledge of the One True Lord, the Noodly One.
May He bless us all with His Noodly Appendage. RAMEN.
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They can, for all I care.
Pity that so few of them have been blessed with knowledge of the One True Lord, the Noodly One.
May He bless us all with His Noodly Appendage. RAMEN.
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I think heaven is going to be full of imperfect souls before God.
It's like a Rich person's club with 99.99999999% lottery winners and only a few who actually earned their money.
God, will be looking at a mob of posers. ;D
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I think heaven is going to be full of imperfect souls before God.
That is correct, for who is perfect?
It's like a Rich person's club with 99.99999999% lottery winners and only a few who actually earned their money.
Lottery winners do not choose to win. But you can choose to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. As for "only a few who actually earned their money", you cannot earn your salvation. It is a gift from God.
God, will be looking at a mob of posers. ;D
Actually, someone who "poses" as a Christian will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who genuinely repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. God cannot be fooled. God looks at the heart.
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That is correct, for who is perfect?
Lottery winners do not choose to win. But you can choose to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. As for "only a few who actually earned their money", you cannot earn your salvation. It is a gift from God.
Actually, someone who "poses" as a Christian will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who genuinely repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. God cannot be fooled. God looks at the heart.
God looks at something he cannot understand?
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God looks at something he cannot understand?
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What are you talking about, OzmO?
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What are you talking about, OzmO?
You remember, God said he cannot understand the human heart....
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You remember, God said he cannot understand the human heart....
God said that? Where is that? In the Bible? Quote the book, chapter and verse.
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God said that? Where is that? In the Bible? Quote the book, chapter and verse.
You quoted it. i think it went something like: "Who can understand the heart of man?"
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You quoted it. i think it went something like: "Who can understand the heart of man?"
And that = "God said he cannot understand the human heart"?
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And that = "God said he cannot understand the human heart"?
We had the discussion about a month ago........ I asked you about it. Use your search thing. It's in the OT, i think it's in Judges, but i'm too sure.
It was when we were talking about that "little voice" that tells you to keep slaves but tells me to it's ok for greek men to have sex with kids....(i'm being sarcastic in a friendly way ;D)
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We had the discussion about a month ago........ I asked you about it. Use your search thing. It's in the OT, i think it's in Judges, but i'm too sure.
It was when we were talking about that "little voice" that tells you to keep slaves but tells me to it's ok for greek men to have sex with kids....(i'm being sarcastic in a friendly way ;D)
I'll see what I can find...and I do not hear "little voices". ;D
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Are we talking about heaven or hell or Jesus's alleged unconditional love?
Sorry, I'll start a new thread
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Suspension of reason? In other words, common sense as we know it (groan!) goes out the window.
Yeah, never mind cynicism or scepticism, or even doubt. Just believe our HORSESHIT so we can control you.
That's a key word when it comes to organised religion. Control. Throughout history, churches and churchmen have been dogmatic. This is how it was, how it is, and how it's gonna be. Your tiny mortal opinion is as nothing, so best button it and do what we tell you.
Christ, the air's THICK with horseshit!
TNBT
Well said !
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Suspension of reason? In other words, common sense as we know it (groan!) goes out the window.
Yeah, never mind cynicism or scepticism, or even doubt. Just believe our HORSESHIT so we can control you.
That's a key word when it comes to organised religion. Control. Throughout history, churches and churchmen have been dogmatic. This is how it was, how it is, and how it's gonna be. Your tiny mortal opinion is as nothing, so best button it and do what we tell you.
Christ, the air's THICK with horseshit!
TNBT
The suspension of reason, throwing common sense out the window, control, dogma...these have nothing to do with the Bible or religion in general. It has to do with people following leaders, scientists, etc. without questioning. It can happen with religion as much as it can happen with politics and science.
In politics:
The old Soviet Union, China and Cuba banned religion. Are you telling me that there was no "control" over the people in these places?
Laws are interpreted and explained by a few justices. People follow them without questioning. Have laws never been manipulated to control people or to push an agenda? Have leaders never deceived people to get them to support the leader's agenda?
In science:
Science is great, but many people take what scientists say by faith and do not question or do their own research. Many people tell me "I wasn’t sufficiently interested to go check out the so-called “facts” for myself. I assumed that reliable people had already done that." We have to remember that some scientists are dishonest and have an agenda to obtain or maintain recognition and funding.
Scientific findings and scientists themselves can be used by leaders to control and manipulate people.
Scientific theories and beliefs can encourage people to commit atrocities and to create wars.
“Hitler believed in struggle as a Darwinian principle of human life that forced every people to try to dominate all others; without struggle they would rot and perish … . Even in his own defeat in April 1945, Hitler expressed his faith in the survival of the stronger and declared the Slavic peoples to have proven themselves the stronger.” Peter Hoffman, Hitler’s Personal Security (Oxford, UK: Pergamon Press, 1979), p. 264.
“To see evolutionary measures and tribal morality being applied vigorously to the affairs of a great modern nation, we must turn again to Germany of 1942. We see Hitler devoutly convinced that evolution produces the only real basis for a national policy … . The means he adopted to secure the destiny of his race and people were organized slaughter, which has drenched Europe in blood … . Such conduct is highly immoral as measured by every scale of ethics, yet Germany justifies it; it is consonant with tribal or evolutionary morality. Germany has reverted to the tribal past, and is demonstrating to the world, in their naked ferocity, the methods of evolution.” Sir Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (New York: Putman, 1947), p. 28.
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I guess you're right. It's not just churchmen who manipulate people for their own ends.
I guess men of God just get on my tits more, for reasons I went into earlier.
Selfishness and egocentricity in politicians and scientists can spur them on to be great in their fields.
It becomes a problem when absolute power is twinned with a character disorder (Hitler, a shizoid personality, black-and-white thinking) or full blown mental illness (Stalin, who appears to have been a high-functioning paranoid schizophrenic.)
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