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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: realkarateblackbelt on September 02, 2007, 03:00:34 AM
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He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob.They've probably been making millions betting on this un-athletic looking guy as he soared to the top. I mean let's be real for a second, I know everyone hugs Fedor's jock, but Dana said there was some shady stuff going on there. Rampage was quoted as saying PRIDE would protect Wanderlei. It's so obvious I'm suprised it hasn't been brought up. Fedor knows he will be exposed if he fights outside PRIDE. He's a fake.
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He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob.They've probably been making millions betting on this un-athletic looking guy as he soared to the top. I mean let's be real for a second, I know everyone hugs Fedor's jock, but Dana said there was some shady stuff going on there. Rampage was quoted as saying PRIDE would protect Wanderlei. It's so obvious I'm suprised it hasn't been brought up. Fedor knows he will be exposed if he fights outside PRIDE. He's a fake.
Uh, okay...
Man, I know you like to stir the pot, (I do as well), but if you are going to do that, at least make it plausible.
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Strikes) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 N/A
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Cut) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Lost Points) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Cut) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Some of his wins came outside of Japan. Is Fedor the Nobuhiko Takada of the russian mob as well? And as ethnocentric as the Japanese are, wouldn't they have one of their own beating the evil gaijin?
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This proves my point. Most of his fights have been in PRIDE. I don't think this theory is so wild. When everyone is touting you as the best in the world you have a reputation to live up to. Fedor is afraid of being exposed. Nobody in UFC is going to protect Fedor because Dana believes the hype and most US fans are not very familiar with him - he's not "the Iceman" or the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy."
As ethnocentric as the Japanese might be (all cultures are to a degree), they like "freaks" like Sapp because it's something so alien to their culture. He's an anomaly. In Fedor's case, it's a matter of money. Fedor doesn't look the part of the greatest heavyweight fighter in the world and so he's the perfect choice to prop up for the sake of gambling. I'm sure he's good, but is he THAT good? Is he protected? Anytime you have mob involvement the legitimacy of the champion should come into question. I've heard they've even approached Miko. If Fedor doesn't fight soon, these are the questions that will pop up.
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I have never heard so much rubbish in my life - and considering i've been on Getbig for a couple of years that's saying something.
If Fedor was being 'protected', one of the other fighters would have complained. Have you actually watched any of Fedor's fights? He fucking destroys people! Ok, he doesn't look particulary athletic, but at least he hasn't got a paunch like Liddel.
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obvious trolling. EOD.
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This is the same moron that tried to say that karate would be valid in MMA if I recall. I can't stop laughing that he's actually referencing Dana White in his argument. ::)
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This is the same moron that tried to say that karate would be valid in MMA if I recall. I can't stop laughing that he's actually referencing Dana White in his argument. ::)
yeah thai kickboxing is where it's at
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He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob.They've probably been making millions betting on this un-athletic looking guy as he soared to the top. I mean let's be real for a second, I know everyone hugs Fedor's jock, but Dana said there was some shady stuff going on there. Rampage was quoted as saying PRIDE would protect Wanderlei. It's so obvious I'm suprised it hasn't been brought up. Fedor knows he will be exposed if he fights outside PRIDE. He's a fake.
which of fedor's fights do you think was a work? give an example
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SFT bro, SFT. All the UFC needs to do is let Fedor compete in one Sambo tourney a year. Fedor has said in the past he would love to fight in the UFC because he likes their drug testing policies and he has always wanted to fight in the cage.
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I can only think of one reason why anyone would question Fedor's dominance: UFC wants him to lure him out.
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I know you guys all have Fedor posters on your wall. This is the crowd the autographed posters he sells on his website are marketed to right?
ANY TIME YOU HAVE MOB INVOLVEMENT THE LEGITIMACY OF THE CHAMP SHOULD BE CALLED TO QUESTION.
Have you heard of Primo Carnera? Probably not. He was a champion boxer propped up by the Italian mafia for years. All fighting is corrupt as hell and it's a fact the Yakuza were involved in PRIDE. They even screwed Dana over in the acquisition of their company. To top it off, Fedor's own management is known to be very controlling and business like so you might have Russian mob/Yakuza collusion going on. It's a very possible scenario.
Just look how easily Mirko Cro Cop was destroyed by a relative unkown.
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which of fedor's fights do you think was a work? give an example
I'm not going through every fight and watching them over, but I might later. You can't "destroy" someone with a submission though. I'll tell you that.
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I'm not going through every fight and watching them over, but I might later. You can't "destroy" someone with a submission though. I'll tell you that.
if you've got to rewatch fights just to keep up with your own arguements I'm thinkin you're just argueing for arguments sake, either way anyone with have a clue can see you're already confused.....
go away kid
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if you've got to rewatch fights just to keep up with your own arguements I'm thinkin you're just argueing for arguments sake, either way anyone with have a clue can see you're already confused.....
go away kid
You sound like a little fanboy.
I don't argue, I observe.
It's obvious what MIGHT be going on - I didn't say it's certain.
Fedor will be fighting in little crap organisations doging the A level competition in the UFC,
and little fanboys like Geo will still tout him as the greatest despite never fighting Randy. Oh maybe he will wait until Randy is 50.
If this scenario plays out, then we know what I said is true.
Now go back online an order a poster from the "greatest" son.
Frank Trigg "Fedor will NEVER fight in the UFC because of his management."
Now this is from a PRIDE insider, not "Geo" on Getbig. There is shady stuff going on.
Just remember, Randy DESTROYED the guy that destroyed Mirko. Mirko, their top striker guy destroyed by an unknown.
The guy that barely lost a descision to Fedor. Remember?
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I'm not going through every fight and watching them over,
maybe you should have watched them the first time, that way you would'nt come here sounding so ignorant.
;D
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maybe you should have watched them the first time, that way you would'nt come here sounding so ignorant.
;D
Like I said, you're a fanboy so logic goes out the window with you.
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so logic goes out the window with you.
::)
He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob
and this lil morsel of wisdom is what you're trying to pass off as "logic" ?
go away kid,you're bothering me
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He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob.They've probably been making millions betting on this un-athletic looking guy as he soared to the top. I mean let's be real for a second, I know everyone hugs Fedor's jock, but Dana said there was some shady stuff going on there. Rampage was quoted as saying PRIDE would protect Wanderlei. It's so obvious I'm suprised it hasn't been brought up. Fedor knows he will be exposed if he fights outside PRIDE. He's a fake.
oh yeah,it is totally fixed.seriously dude you are a fucking clown,nothing but the squads whipping boy
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/fedor/video/x2h44_highlight-fedor-emilianenko_sport
you are gayer than bobby trendy blowing carrot top in the back of a ford festiva.
bench
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Some of you are so dense. I hate to say it but it's true. Did you ever think that Fedor might not even have realised until recently fights were being fixed? He goes in gung-ho and the guy he's fighting puts up a lackluster defense and everyone collects big - the Russian mob, Yakuza, and the fighter payed to go down. You would take some punches and get knocked out too for millions. That's how it's done in boxing, and I'm sure that's how they operated at PRIDE. Get a clue and get real!
Trigg has pointed out the problems with his Russian management, Dana has pointed out the corruption in PRIDE, Rampage has pointed out how they protect fighters, and the Yakuza are widely acknowledged as running the show in Japanese MMA and wrestling. The writing is on the walls.
Fedor is dodging a real fight with Randy.
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oh yeah,it is totally fixed.seriously dude you are a fucking clown,nothing but the squads whipping boy
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/fedor/video/x2h44_highlight-fedor-emilianenko_sport
you are gayer than bobby trendy blowing carrot top in the back of a ford festiva.
bench
Ha... Everyones telling him that bench!
You know why he likes to go on about beat'n up Gays? Its self hate!
Hes punishing THEM for HIS closet sexuality.
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I'm calling for the mods to remove you from this thread since you're not adding to the discussion you little fruitloop.
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I'm calling for the mods to remove you from this thread since you're not adding to the discussion you little fag.
You love to Beat "Fags", your obsessed w/ homosexuals, dont it seem odd to you?
You think this and that is fixed, your just talking out your ass.
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I know you guys all have Fedor posters on your wall. This is the crowd the autographed posters he sells on his website are marketed to right?
ANY TIME YOU HAVE MOB INVOLVEMENT THE LEGITIMACY OF THE CHAMP SHOULD BE CALLED TO QUESTION.
Have you heard of Primo Carnera? Probably not. He was a champion boxer propped up by the Italian mafia for years. All fighting is corrupt as hell and it's a fact the Yakuza were involved in PRIDE. They even screwed Dana over in the acquisition of their company. To top it off, Fedor's own management is known to be very controlling and business like so you might have Russian mob/Yakuza collusion going on. It's a very possible scenario.
Just look how easily Mirko Cro Cop was destroyed by a relative unkown.
Agree with this, now you are making some sense. If you did your research, you would have found out that Fedor fought for Inoki's Boom Ba Ye on NYE because he was encouraged by the Yakuza (whom reputedly were backing DSE) to take a dive. He and his management told them to F*ck off, and they fought in a rival organization on the biggest night for NHB/MMA in Japan. Fedor had to be put under special "protection" status when he returned to Pride.
So I can see your assertions, but do a little research about this first before spouting off about Fedor. I know people with connections in Tokyo, and this came from their lips, not mine.
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I know you guys all have Fedor posters on your wall. This is the crowd the autographed posters he sells on his website are marketed to right?
ANY TIME YOU HAVE MOB INVOLVEMENT THE LEGITIMACY OF THE CHAMP SHOULD BE CALLED TO QUESTION.
Have you heard of Primo Carnera? Probably not. He was a champion boxer propped up by the Italian mafia for years. All fighting is corrupt as hell and it's a fact the Yakuza were involved in PRIDE. They even screwed Dana over in the acquisition of their company. To top it off, Fedor's own management is known to be very controlling and business like so you might have Russian mob/Yakuza collusion going on. It's a very possible scenario.
Just look how easily Mirko Cro Cop was destroyed by a relative unkown.
I do see your point dude, believe it or not. But at the same time, some of Fedor's fights were not easy whatsoever, almost ending in him losing: Randleman hammering his head into the ground, Coleman had a rear choke hold on him at one point, etc.
As far as you using string theory to explain how Pride is shit because the guy who wins almost got beaten by a guy who later got his ass handed to him by a relatively UFC unknown is wrong.
I believe the Mirko that fought Gonzaga was an untrained version of himself.
I am no MMA expert by no means, although I've seen Randy as well as Fedor fight a few fights, and my hunch is that Fedor has superior skills and could beat the shit out of Randy. It's like comparing the 1987 version of Tyson vs. 2007 Klitscko. At his best, Tyson would knock the shit out of Vladimir.
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Fedor was also out on his feet against Ironhead Fujita. I have never seen anyone put a beating on Big Nog like Fedor has.
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Randleman hammering his head into the ground
word. Fedor surviving that slam, then winning the fight was f_cking amazing
given the amount of money involved, of course there is a chance of corruption but from the fights I've watched it hasn't been obvious at least.
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hahaha, like bulldog said, Nog took a beating in the Fedor fights. I doubt anyone would willingly sit there for an entire fight and let someone knock the shit out of them if it was a work. Nor would anyone let a three-time all american wrestler suplex them on their head in a way that would paralyze or permanently injure 95% of the people on this planet. ::)
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Just remember, Randy DESTROYED the guy that destroyed Mirko. Mirko, their top striker guy destroyed by an unknown.
The guy that barely lost a descision to Fedor. Remember?
MMA math doesn't work. If it did Frank Trigg would be a better fighter than dan henderson since he beat misaki and henderson lost to misaki. It would also make trigg better than wanderlei silva since he lost to henderson. Also sometimes fighters get lucky. Cro Cop would beat gonzaga if he actually showed up to fight unlike last time where he just stood there for the first two minutes not throwing a single punch or kick.
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MMA math doesn't work. If it did Frank Trigg would be a better fighter than dan henderson since he beat misaki and henderson lost to misaki. It would also make trigg better than wanderlei silva since he lost to henderson. Also sometimes fighters get lucky. Cro Cop would beat gonzaga if he actually showed up to fight unlike last time where he just stood there for the first two minutes not throwing a single punch or kick.
Agreed, there is no such thing as MMA math... It's about as usefull as a bag of assholes... Wait that is why Real Karate is thinking it works.... ;D ;D Now onto the whole reason I posted in this stupid ass non-sense thread. Crocop was not fully trained for that fight. Look at how much wind he had against Fedor. Now lets look at how much wind he had against Gonzaga. If I am not mistaken didn't he even say when he got hit with the kick he was tired and looking at the clock and he couldn't keep his hands up... He would smoke Gonzaga on his best day. I think he would even destroy Randy if he was in tip top shape. Yeah Yeah Yeah I said it... I think Capt. America would get it bad..... Well let's leave Crocop out of the whole Fedor is paid by the mod and had his fights fixed.. You stupid ass the Crocop and Fedro fight was two men who left everything they had in the ring.... There was no fix on that one.
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Agreed, there is no such thing as MMA math... It's about as usefull as a bag of assholes... Wait that is why Real Karate is thinking it works.... ;D ;D Now onto the whole reason I posted in this stupid ass non-sense thread. Crocop was not fully trained for that fight. Look at how much wind he had against Fedor. Now lets look at how much wind he had against Gonzaga. If I am not mistaken didn't he even say when he got hit with the kick he was tired and looking at the clock and he couldn't keep his hands up... He would smoke Gonzaga on his best day. I think he would even destroy Randy if he was in tip top shape. Yeah Yeah Yeah I said it... I think Capt. America would get it bad..... Well let's leave Crocop out of the whole Fedor is paid by the mod and had his fights fixed.. You stupid ass the Crocop and Fedro fight was two men who left everything they had in the ring.... There was no fix on that one.
Hahahaha Oh this is starting to sound really familiar...
Cro Cop wasn't training...he wasn't himself blah blah blah...
The same shit people were saying when Chuck got beat down by Rampage the first time, yet I was always pointing out that he looked like the same old Chuck.
Guess what? I was right. Now people are saying this about Cro Cop. If anything, he trained harder, since he was entering an environment he wasn't familiar with. And for the record, he didn't see that kick coming because he was eating so many elbows on the ground I was genuinely worried for his safety. He was dominated period.
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Hahahaha Oh this is starting to sound really familiar...
Cro Cop wasn't training...he wasn't himself blah blah blah...
The same shit people were saying when Chuck got beat down by Rampage the first time, yet I was always pointing out that he looked like the same old Chuck.
Guess what? I was right. Now people are saying this about Cro Cop. If anything, he trained harder, since he was entering an environment he wasn't familiar with. And for the record, he didn't see that kick coming because he was eating so many elbows on the ground I was genuinely worried for his safety. He was dominated period.
Gotta agree with you on this.
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Hahahaha Oh this is starting to sound really familiar...
Cro Cop wasn't training...he wasn't himself blah blah blah...
The same shit people were saying when Chuck got beat down by Rampage the first time, yet I was always pointing out that he looked like the same old Chuck.
Guess what? I was right. Now people are saying this about Cro Cop. If anything, he trained harder, since he was entering an environment he wasn't familiar with. And for the record, he didn't see that kick coming because he was eating so many elbows on the ground I was genuinely worried for his safety. He was dominated period.
did you see him fight gonzaga? he didn't show any offense whatsoever until he threw a kick that was caught. He just stood there dodging gonzaga's punches looking bored. Then watch his fights this time last year when he won the open weight gran prix and tell me he looked like the same aggressive fighter that ran through wanderlei and barnett. You won't think he was the same unless you are blind. He didn't train harder for gonzaga, he said so himself that he thought training in a cage wasn't needed.
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did you see him fight gonzaga? he didn't show any offense whatsoever until he threw a kick that was caught. He just stood there dodging gonzaga's punches looking bored. Then watch his fights this time last year when he won the open weight gran prix and tell me he looked like the same aggressive fighter that ran through wanderlei and barnett. You won't think he was the same unless you are blind. He didn't train harder for gonzaga, he said so himself that he thought training in a cage wasn't needed.
Oh brother.
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Agreed, there is no such thing as MMA math... It's about as usefull as a bag of assholes... Wait that is why Real Karate is thinking it works.... ;D ;D Now onto the whole reason I posted in this stupid ass non-sense thread. Crocop was not fully trained for that fight. Look at how much wind he had against Fedor. Now lets look at how much wind he had against Gonzaga. If I am not mistaken didn't he even say when he got hit with the kick he was tired and looking at the clock and he couldn't keep his hands up... He would smoke Gonzaga on his best day. I think he would even destroy Randy if he was in tip top shape. Yeah Yeah Yeah I said it... I think Capt. America would get it bad..... Well let's leave Crocop out of the whole Fedor is paid by the mod and had his fights fixed.. You stupid ass the Crocop and Fedro fight was two men who left everything they had in the ring.... There was no fix on that one.
Crocop was ill prepared for the fight with Napao. He was unaccustomed to cage tactics, used a closed guard on a Mundial champ. Ate a lot of short elbows because of the closed guard, wrist location defense. Was dazed upon the standup (which was total BS because Napao was active), looked at the clock prior to eating the right head kick. He got beat by a fighter who stylistically matched up well against him. PERIOD.
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Crocop was ill prepared for the fight with Napao. He was unaccustomed to cage tactics, used a closed guard on a Mundial champ. Ate a lot of short elbows because of the closed guard, wrist location defense. Was dazed upon the standup (which was total BS because Napao was active), looked at the clock prior to eating the right head kick. He got beat by a fighter who stylistically matched up well against him. PERIOD.
Excuses...excuses...soun ds familiar. :P
If I was a betting man!
(Oh the money I could have won on all the people that were so sure Chuck and Cro Cop were going to walk through their opponents:) )
Oddly, you guys can't even come up with the same reasons for Mirko's loss.
ABD, if you go back and read my post, you'll see that you are repeating what I said:
CC ate a bunch of elbows, so many In fact I was getting worried for him, and that is why he never saw that roundhouse...
Now how this works as some sort of excuse for the loss of a guy formerly considered by many the #2 man is beyond me.
As for the familiarity with fighting in the cage bit...well this is pure speculation on your part no doubt influenced(consciously or not)
by damage control in the Mirko camp, and your own bias. I'm sure Mirko had access to facilities with a cage.
Even if he didn't, I don't think it would matter THAT much. Face it, fighting is not always done under ideal conditions, but at least they can say the conditions were the same for both men. This line is almost as pathetic as the people complaining Randy cheated because his head collided with Gonzaga's with the slam.
No wait...it's almost as bad as the people saying the ref stopped the Liddel/Rampage II fight too early. REALLY...
It's getting to the point that, any opponent of Fedor or Cro Cop would have to win by death blow, but even then there would be a few questioning it.
It's fighting; there are rules in place to protect people from serious injury, but you aren't going to have ideal situations. Let's not nitpick!
Gonzaga was the better man.
And get this! Gonzaga only had three UFC fights prior, and far less competitive fight experience, so it's not as if he was some kind of "cage general."
His experience was comparatively limited PERIOD, and I think he (along with Brock Lesner) has the potential to be huge. Adapting to the cage wasn't a problem for Ramage was it. CC, by his own admission didn't think it was a problem either.
So you should get a clue, or be CC's PR guy, take your pick!
I have no predictions for RC/FE yet...
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Excuses...excuses...sounds familiar. :P
If I was a betting man!
(Oh the money I could have won on all the people that were so sure Chuck and Cro Cop were going to walk through their opponents:) )
Oddly, you guys can't even come up with the same reasons for Mirko's loss.
ABD, if you go back and read my post, you'll see that you are repeating what I said:
CC ate a bunch of elbows, so many In fact I was getting worried for him, and that is why he never saw that roundhouse...
Now how this works as some sort of excuse for the loss of a guy formerly considered by many the #2 man is beyond me.
As for the familiarity with fighting in the cage bit...well this is pure speculation on your part no doubt influenced(consciously or not)
by damage control in the Mirko camp, and your own bias. I'm sure Mirko had access to facilities with a cage.
Even if he didn't, I don't think it would matter THAT much. Face it, fighting is not always done under ideal conditions, but at least they can say the conditions were the same for both men. This line is almost as pathetic as the people complaining Randy cheated because his head collided with Gonzaga's with the slam.
No wait...it's almost as bad as the people saying the ref stopped the Liddel/Rampage II fight too early. REALLY...
It's getting to the point that, any opponent of Fedor or Cro Cop would have to win by death blow, but even then there would be a few questioning it.
It's fighting; there are rules in place to protect people from serious injury, but you aren't going to have ideal situations. Let's not nitpick!
Gonzaga was the better man.
And get this! Gonzaga only had three UFC fights prior, and far less competitive fight experience, so it's not as if he was some kind of "cage general."
His experience was comparatively limited PERIOD, and I think he (along with Brock Lesner) has the potential to be huge. Adapting to the cage wasn't a problem for Ramage was it. CC, by his own admission didn't think it was a problem either.
So you should get a clue, or be CC's PR guy, take your pick!
I have no predictions for RC/FE yet...
The one time I sort of agree with you, you rant on about me being a CC apologist. I, as many here know, am more biased toward BJJ fighters. I thought Mirko didn't match up well, and when I saw them fight, it fell in line with my expectations.
If you did your research, again, you would have found out that only recently has Mirko had a Throwdown cage installed in his training facilities. Prior to this, he thought training in the ring was sufficient. Again, not apologizing for Mirko's performance, he was thoroughly dominated.
Being as how you tap purples I mean orange belts in BJJ, you might also know that closed guard with wrist location is great in a BJJ match, good for setting up triangles, working sweeps, even setting up an armbar from full guard. BUT when you let a 255 lb gorilla posture up and get distance to land short elbows, you are in for a long night. He may have a good sprawl, but once on his back, he was out of his element. I think his plan was to get a standup (which he did, prematurely, and unfairly)
Napao caused the nose breakage by grabbing the fence, and allowing his knees to slam into Randy's head to drive into his nose. No apology there, and I called Randy winning in the late rounds. I think you should stick to your low horse stances, cross body blocks and reverse punches. You are probably a world beater on the point circuit, but not a very good analyst.
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hahaha, this moron just proved he knows absolutely nothing by thinking Rampage had to adapt to the cage. Newsflash bright spot, Page fought in the cage long before he was in Pride and was back in it before he went to the UFC. ::)
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hahaha, this moron just proved he knows absolutely nothing by thinking Rampage had to adapt to the cage. Newsflash bright spot, Page fought in the cage long before he was in Pride and was back in it before he went to the UFC. ::)
Nicky! :D
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He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob.They've probably been making millions betting on this un-athletic looking guy as he soared to the top. I mean let's be real for a second, I know everyone hugs Fedor's jock, but Dana said there was some shady stuff going on there. Rampage was quoted as saying PRIDE would protect Wanderlei. It's so obvious I'm suprised it hasn't been brought up. Fedor knows he will be exposed if he fights outside PRIDE. He's a fake.
I hope this is a bad attempt at trolling. I mean I am not saying Fedor is unbeatable but he definitely is not afraid of anyone in the UFC. I think the sudden souring of fans on Fedor has to be the strong arm tatcics he is using during his negotiations. I don't really blame the negotiation process lets face facts a fighters life is only so long you have to make as much money as you can while your able to. I just hope the negotiation dont go on too long...
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I hope this is a bad attempt at trolling. I mean I am not saying Fedor is unbeatable but he definitely is not afraid of anyone in the UFC. I think the sudden souring of fans on Fedor has to be the strong arm tatcics he is using during his negotiations. I don't really blame the negotiation process lets face facts a fighters life is only so long you have to make as much money as you can while your able to. I just hope the negotiation dont go on too long...
Whaaat? You mean Zuffa has paid posters at various internet boards? Say it aint so. ;D
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Whaaat? You mean Zuffa has paid posters at various internet boards? Say it aint so. ;D
hahaha, I think they've got about 45,000 on the payroll at Sherdog. ::)
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If there was one fight that Fedor got handed to him was his fight with Arona. I've watched that fight a number of times, and still can't see how the judges gave it to Fedor.
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I remember a couple of top UFC fighters went to Pride and got their ass's handed to them by Pride fighters.
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If there was one fight that Fedor got handed to him was his fight with Arona. I've watched that fight a number of times, and still can't see how the judges gave it to Fedor.
i think Fedor won it, but it was close...you have to agree that if he could throw punches while on ground that fight would be a lot more easy to fedor....
I think he was always more dominant on the fight (when he was attacking, he attacked better...when he wanted to defend himself, he always did it with some easy)
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Oh brother.
ok you win cro cop looked like he was ready to fight by just standing there dodging punches for a whole two minutes and without throwing any punches of his own ::)
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ok you win cro cop looked like he was ready to fight by just standing there dodging punches for a whole two minutes and without throwing any punches of his own ::)
Why does everyone discount what Napao did TO MIRKO. He pressed the action, secured the takedown, and gave him a good GNP. The GNP is what left Mirko dazed before the head kick. Mirko actually looked at the clock prior to getting KTFO.
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I remember back in the late 80's the very same rhetoric was being used against Mike Tyson. And we all know that Mike was the real thing. Too bad he only had one game though. Imagine him channeling all that initial burst of energy into a 12-round effort? Evander and the rest of the people who beat him would've been KTFO in 3 rounds (as opposed to 1).
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I remember back in the late 80's the very same rhetoric was being used against Mike Tyson. And we all know that Mike was the real thing. Too bad he only had one game though. Imagine him channeling all that initial burst of energy into a 12-round effort? Evander and the rest of the people who beat him would've been KTFO in 3 rounds (as opposed to 1).
Mike never fought any top talent during his meteoric rise to the top.
As soon as he did he was completely outclassed by guys that are just better boxers.
"Those guys were a bunch of tomato cans."
He's the Tank Abbott of boxing.
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I think a big reason Mirko is looking bad is the drug testing they do in the UFC.
I wonder if Fedor may be watching Mirko's performance and feeling hesitant for that reason.
Personally, I think Randy might be on and they let him get away with it, but who knows?
Kongo an Rampage are black so they probably have naturally higher endogenous testosterone.
It's not unbelievable that they could be somewhat muscular and lean naturally.
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Mike never fought any top talent during his meteoric rise to the top.
As soon as he did he was completely outclassed by guys that are just better boxers.
"Those guys were a bunch of tomato cans."
He's the Tank Abbott of boxing.
And who were the "top talent" you are referring to?
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And who were the "top talent" you are referring to?
Lewis, and Holyfield.
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Lewis, and Holyfield.
Lewis? Holyfield? You mean the two fighters who shitted all over their pants eveytime the name Tyson was mentioned only to develop the guts to fight him when an unknown punching bag opened up the flood gates and showed everyone how to stop Mike?
In his prime, Mike Tyson was the baddest boxer in the planet. ANY criticism you may lay on the man can only be, in my opinion, on the one-dimensionality of his game: Charge forward and hit hard. IN NO CASE, that I remember, did he reject fighting anyone. Not a single soul. He even beat the shit out of Mitch Green, the one-toothed, Billy Ocean look-alike. That is street hall of fame stuff my man!!
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I think a big reason Mirko is looking bad is the drug testing they do in the UFC.
I agree with you here. He does look a little smaller. Maybe he doesn't know how to beat the tests.
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Why does everyone discount what Napao did TO MIRKO. He pressed the action, secured the takedown, and gave him a good GNP. The GNP is what left Mirko dazed before the head kick. Mirko actually looked at the clock prior to getting KTFO.
i don't discount that. I just point out the fact that mirko stood there for a full 2 minutes without throwing a punch or kick and looked nothing like the ultra aggressive fighter that destroyed wanderlei and barnett exactly one year ago today.
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Lewis? Holyfield? You mean the two fighters who shitted all over their pants eveytime the name Tyson was mentioned only to develop the guts to fight him when an unknown punching bag opened up the flood gates and showed everyone how to stop Mike?
In his prime, Mike Tyson was the baddest boxer in the planet. ANY criticism you may lay on the man can only be, in my opinion, on the one-dimensionality of his game: Charge forward and hit hard. IN NO CASE, that I remember, did he reject fighting anyone. Not a single soul. He even beat the shit out of Mitch Green, the one-toothed, Billy Ocean look-alike. That is street hall of fame stuff my man!!
::) Why don't you just suck his dick already?
His claim to fame is big ko's over a stream of "tomato cans" (his words), and an inflated light-heavyweight.
Holyfield and Lewis were out of his league, and made him look like a child everytime.
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Good one. ::)
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::) Why don't you just suck his dick already?
His claim to fame is big ko's over a stream of "tomato cans" (his words), and an inflated light-heavyweight.
Holyfield and Lewis were out of his league, and made him look like a child everytime.
Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.
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Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.
I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
Maybe if the stars aligned just right, and the tarot predicted it, he would win.
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Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.
I concur. Mike would beat both, in the ring, at the same time.
The man was way ahead of everyone. No one, not a single soul, until Buster came along, knew how to fight him. You had people like Bruno, who, supposedly, was going to "teach him how to box", singing "La Cucaracha" by the time the Brit came to his senses and realised all the blood on the canvas was his.
Mike was a beast of a boxer... as well as a dickhead (moreso in his later years).
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I concur. Mike would beat both, in the ring, at the same time.
The man was way ahead of everyone. No one, not a single soul, until Buster came along, knew how to fight him.
buster was the only one willing to stand toe to toe and fight him at that point and look what happened, tyson lost :)
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Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.
you're mixing apples and oranges here
lewis did'nt turn pro until 89 and holy did'nt leave the cruisers until 88...
at tysons peak (in 88) I'd give him a chance to beat lennox at his peak (96-00) only because lennox has always been chinny, but based on how evander owned mike when they finally fought I think there probably never was a time when mike was gonna beat holy........holy would have been the first to take the fight to mike instead of buster
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you're mixing apples and oranges here
lewis did'nt turn pro until 89 and holy did'nt leave the cruisers until 88...
at tysons peak (in 88) I'd give him a chance to beat lennox at his peak (96-00) only because lennox has always been chinny, but based on how evander owned mike when they finally fought I think there probably never was a time when mike was gonna beat holy........holy would have been the first to take the fight to mike instead of buster
Not only did he beat Tyson TWICE, and at the age of 35; Holyfield also fought and beat George Foreman when he was still a beast.
Tyson was never in Holyfield's league. In an age in which people claim they toss aside the bullshit, it's amazing how they still buy into the Tyson myth.
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Not only did he beat Tyson TWICE, and at the age of 35; Holyfield also fought and beat George Foreman when he was still a beast.
Tyson was never in Holyfield's league. In an age in which people claim they toss aside the bullshit, it's amazing how they still buy into the Tyson myth.
Forman was a has-been allready, unfair compare.
Also, before you comment, have you watched Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits on EPN?
The Slow-mo of all his KOs in particular?
Has anyone else honestly had thet power and skills combo ever?
And the scene of Forman on the heavy bag in When We were kings? Awesome. Adrenaline Goosebumps.
ANd BTW, how'z your new "Partner". ;D
Oh me dumb on thet one..... ::)
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Forman was a has-been allready, unfair compare.
Also, before you comment, have you watched Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits on EPN?
The Slow-mo of all his KOs in particular?
Has anyone else honestly had thet power and skills combo ever?
And the scene of Forman on the heavy bag in When We were kings? Awesome. Adrenaline Goosebumps.
ANd BTW, how'z your new "Partner". ;D
Oh me dumb on thet one..... ::)
That's the point. Tank Abbot used to get big Kos all the time, but he's not that great.
Tyson's style only worked against lower level competition. His bullrushing, powerpuncher shit...
didn't fly against Holyfield. Holyfield is a super talent.
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That's the point. Tank Abbot used to get big Kos all the time, but he's not that great.
Tyson's style only worked against lower level competition. His bullrushing, powerpuncher shit...
didn't fly against Holyfield. Holyfield is a super talent.
WRONG AGAIN. Tyson wasn't effective because of bullrushing. He used a Cus D'Amato patented peek a boo defense, with a jab to penetrate the taller fighters reach and used body shots to open up his power punches. When he lost Rooney as his trainer and went under Don King's management, he became a one punch head hunter.
But according to your infinite wisdom, power is the only ingredient necessary. ;D
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Wouldn't have mattered.
I'm aware that he used a peek-a-boo defense at the height of his success (when he fought tomato cans.); Holyfield was an Olympic boxer. He beat the man twice. You guys create elaborate scenarios in which Tyson would win, but he lost...TWICE!!!!! HAHAHAA
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Wouldn't have mattered.
I'm aware that he used a peek-a-boo defense at the height of his success (when he fought tomato cans.); Holyfield was an Olympic boxer. He beat the man twice. You guys create elaborate scenarios in which Tyson would win, but he lost...TWICE!!!!! HAHAHAA
I am glad he lost both times, Tyson was a bully and a thug, but the fighter who fought Holyfield both times was a head hunter, and didn't set up his right hand with body shots. Holyfield out fought Tyson technically, even though Tyson clearly had the strength advantage. Now pleas don't tell me Evander was more powerful than Tyson.
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There's no need to discuss this...Tyson lost to Holyfield twice. He lost to Lewis.
Everything else is just the speculation of a few Tyson fanboys.
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Holyfield out fought Tyson technically, even though Tyson clearly had the strength advantage. Now pleas don't tell me Evander was more powerful than Tyson.
I think evander flat out "out toughed" tyson in that first fight,that's what was so surprising to me
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I think evander flat out "out toughed" tyson in that first fight,that's what was so surprising to me
Easy to cover your head when you opponent forgets he can hit the body.
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Easy to cover your head when you opponent forgets he can hit the body.
just read mikes pleading guilty to possesion and he's going back in to do a little stretch
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just read mikes pleading guilty to possesion and he's going back in to do a little stretch
Take the boy out of the hood, can't take the hood out of the boy.
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buster was the only one willing to stand toe to toe and fight him at that point and look what happened, tyson lost :)
No he wasn't. Buster's knock out of Tyson is a picture-perfect example of being at the right place at the right time. Had Mike been in perfect condition he would've KOd the fuck outta Buster. Mike did put him on the floor once, but that was Buster's night.
In any case, Tyson's trainer was unprepared, Mike outta shape, etc. Mike's cutman didn't even carry vaseline with him fro chrisakes!!
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No he wasn't. Buster's knock out of Tyson is a picture-perfect example of being at the right place at the right time. Had Mike been in perfect condition he would've KOd the fuck outta Buster. Mike did put him on the floor once, but that was Buster's night.
In any case, Tyson's trainer was unprepared, Mike outta shape, etc. Mike's cutman didn't even carry vaseline with him fro chrisakes!!
Exactly.
Mike was also having alot of drug problems and depression issues.
At the time he fought Buster, Tyson was done mentally, any fight after that he was not the real Iron Mike and he just got worse. When he fought Evander you could tell Tyson was out of his prime by a long shot.
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When he fouhgt Lewis he was a human punching bag :-X :-X :-X
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When he fouhgt Lewis he was a human punching bag :-X :-X :-X
Yeah and Evander gave him plenty of openings to land big body shots and combo's. Tyson was just done mentally and lost his edge years before that.
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