The real reason Fedor won't fight in the UFC

[Frauhorn]

Randleman hammering his head into the ground

word. Fedor surviving that slam, then winning the fight was f_cking amazing

given the amount of money involved, of course there is a chance of corruption but from the fights I've watched it hasn't been obvious at least.

[Fury]

hahaha, like bulldog said, Nog took a beating in the Fedor fights. I doubt anyone would willingly sit there for an entire fight and let someone knock the shit out of them if it was a work. Nor would anyone let a three-time all american wrestler suplex them on their head in a way that would paralyze or permanently injure 95% of the people on this planet. 

[Wanocki]

Just remember, Randy DESTROYED the guy that destroyed Mirko. Mirko, their top striker guy destroyed by an unknown.
 The guy that barely lost a descision to Fedor. Remember?

MMA math doesn't work.  If it did Frank Trigg would be a better fighter than dan henderson since he beat misaki and henderson lost to misaki.  It would also make trigg better than wanderlei silva since he lost to henderson.  Also sometimes fighters get lucky.  Cro Cop would beat gonzaga if he actually showed up to fight unlike last time where he just stood there for the first two minutes not throwing a single punch or kick.

[SinCitysmallGUY]

MMA math doesn't work.  If it did Frank Trigg would be a better fighter than dan henderson since he beat misaki and henderson lost to misaki.  It would also make trigg better than wanderlei silva since he lost to henderson.  Also sometimes fighters get lucky.  Cro Cop would beat gonzaga if he actually showed up to fight unlike last time where he just stood there for the first two minutes not throwing a single punch or kick.

Agreed, there is no such thing as MMA math... It's about as usefull as a bag of assholes... Wait that is why Real Karate is thinking it works....  Now onto the whole reason I posted in this stupid ass non-sense thread. Crocop was not fully trained for that fight. Look at how much wind he had against Fedor. Now lets look at how much wind he had against Gonzaga. If I am not mistaken didn't he even say when he got hit with the kick he was tired and looking at the clock and he couldn't keep his hands up... He would smoke Gonzaga on his best day. I think he would even destroy Randy if he was in tip top shape. Yeah Yeah Yeah I said it... I think Capt. America would get it bad..... Well let's leave Crocop out of the whole Fedor is paid by the mod and had his fights fixed.. You stupid ass the Crocop and Fedro fight was two men who left everything they had in the ring.... There was no fix on that one.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Agreed, there is no such thing as MMA math... It's about as usefull as a bag of assholes... Wait that is why Real Karate is thinking it works....  Now onto the whole reason I posted in this stupid ass non-sense thread. Crocop was not fully trained for that fight. Look at how much wind he had against Fedor. Now lets look at how much wind he had against Gonzaga. If I am not mistaken didn't he even say when he got hit with the kick he was tired and looking at the clock and he couldn't keep his hands up... He would smoke Gonzaga on his best day. I think he would even destroy Randy if he was in tip top shape. Yeah Yeah Yeah I said it... I think Capt. America would get it bad..... Well let's leave Crocop out of the whole Fedor is paid by the mod and had his fights fixed.. You stupid ass the Crocop and Fedro fight was two men who left everything they had in the ring.... There was no fix on that one.

Hahahaha Oh this is starting to sound really familiar...
Cro Cop wasn't training...he wasn't himself blah blah blah...
The same shit people were saying when Chuck got beat down by Rampage the first time, yet I was always pointing out that he looked like the same old Chuck.
Guess what? I was right. Now people are saying this about Cro Cop. If anything, he trained harder, since he was entering an environment he wasn't familiar with. And for the record, he didn't see that kick coming because he was eating so many elbows on the ground I was genuinely worried for his safety. He was dominated period.

[Benny B]

Hahahaha Oh this is starting to sound really familiar...
Cro Cop wasn't training...he wasn't himself blah blah blah...
The same shit people were saying when Chuck got beat down by Rampage the first time, yet I was always pointing out that he looked like the same old Chuck.
Guess what? I was right. Now people are saying this about Cro Cop. If anything, he trained harder, since he was entering an environment he wasn't familiar with. And for the record, he didn't see that kick coming because he was eating so many elbows on the ground I was genuinely worried for his safety. He was dominated period.

Gotta agree with you on this.

[Wanocki]

Hahahaha Oh this is starting to sound really familiar...
Cro Cop wasn't training...he wasn't himself blah blah blah...
The same shit people were saying when Chuck got beat down by Rampage the first time, yet I was always pointing out that he looked like the same old Chuck.
Guess what? I was right. Now people are saying this about Cro Cop. If anything, he trained harder, since he was entering an environment he wasn't familiar with. And for the record, he didn't see that kick coming because he was eating so many elbows on the ground I was genuinely worried for his safety. He was dominated period.

did you see him fight gonzaga?  he didn't show any offense whatsoever until he threw a kick that was caught.  He just stood there dodging gonzaga's punches looking bored. Then watch his fights this time last year when he won the open weight gran prix and tell me he looked like the same aggressive fighter that ran through wanderlei and barnett.  You won't think he was the same unless you are blind.  He didn't train harder for gonzaga, he said so himself that he thought training in a cage wasn't needed.

[realkarateblackbelt]

did you see him fight gonzaga?  he didn't show any offense whatsoever until he threw a kick that was caught.  He just stood there dodging gonzaga's punches looking bored. Then watch his fights this time last year when he won the open weight gran prix and tell me he looked like the same aggressive fighter that ran through wanderlei and barnett.  You won't think he was the same unless you are blind.  He didn't train harder for gonzaga, he said so himself that he thought training in a cage wasn't needed.

Oh brother.

[americanbulldog]

Agreed, there is no such thing as MMA math... It's about as usefull as a bag of assholes... Wait that is why Real Karate is thinking it works....  Now onto the whole reason I posted in this stupid ass non-sense thread. Crocop was not fully trained for that fight. Look at how much wind he had against Fedor. Now lets look at how much wind he had against Gonzaga. If I am not mistaken didn't he even say when he got hit with the kick he was tired and looking at the clock and he couldn't keep his hands up... He would smoke Gonzaga on his best day. I think he would even destroy Randy if he was in tip top shape. Yeah Yeah Yeah I said it... I think Capt. America would get it bad..... Well let's leave Crocop out of the whole Fedor is paid by the mod and had his fights fixed.. You stupid ass the Crocop and Fedro fight was two men who left everything they had in the ring.... There was no fix on that one.

Crocop was ill prepared for the fight with Napao.  He was unaccustomed to cage tactics, used a closed guard on a Mundial champ.  Ate a lot of short elbows because of the closed guard, wrist location defense.  Was dazed upon the standup (which was total BS because Napao was active), looked at the clock prior to eating the right head kick.  He got beat by a fighter who stylistically matched up well against him.  PERIOD.  

[realkarateblackbelt]

Crocop was ill prepared for the fight with Napao.  He was unaccustomed to cage tactics, used a closed guard on a Mundial champ.  Ate a lot of short elbows because of the closed guard, wrist location defense.  Was dazed upon the standup (which was total BS because Napao was active), looked at the clock prior to eating the right head kick.  He got beat by a fighter who stylistically matched up well against him.  PERIOD.  

Excuses...excuses...soun ds familiar.
If I was a betting man!
(Oh the money I could have won on all the people that were so sure Chuck and Cro Cop were going to walk through their opponents:) )

Oddly, you guys can't even come up with the same reasons for Mirko's loss.

ABD, if you go back and read my post, you'll see that you are repeating what I said:
CC ate a bunch of elbows, so many In fact I was getting worried for him, and that is why he never saw that roundhouse...

Now how this works as some sort of excuse for the loss of a guy formerly considered by many the #2 man is beyond me.

As for the familiarity with fighting in the cage bit...well this is pure speculation on your part no doubt influenced(consciously or not)
by damage control in the Mirko camp, and your own bias. I'm sure Mirko had access to facilities with a cage.
Even if he didn't, I don't think it would matter THAT much. Face it, fighting is not always done under ideal conditions, but at least they can say the conditions were the same for both men. This line is almost as pathetic as the people complaining Randy cheated because his head collided with Gonzaga's with the slam.
No wait...it's almost as bad as the people saying the ref stopped the Liddel/Rampage II fight too early. REALLY...
It's getting to the point that, any opponent of Fedor or Cro Cop would have to win by death blow, but even then there would be a few questioning it.
It's fighting; there are rules in place to protect people from serious injury, but you aren't going to have ideal situations. Let's not nitpick!
Gonzaga was the better man.

And get this! Gonzaga only had three UFC fights prior, and far less competitive fight experience, so it's not as if he was some kind of "cage general."
His experience was comparatively limited PERIOD, and I think he (along with Brock Lesner) has the potential to be huge. Adapting to the cage wasn't a problem for Ramage was it. CC, by his own admission didn't think it was a problem either.

So you should get a clue, or be CC's PR guy, take your pick!

I have no predictions for RC/FE yet...

[americanbulldog]

Excuses...excuses...sounds familiar.
If I was a betting man!
(Oh the money I could have won on all the people that were so sure Chuck and Cro Cop were going to walk through their opponents:) )

Oddly, you guys can't even come up with the same reasons for Mirko's loss.

ABD, if you go back and read my post, you'll see that you are repeating what I said:
CC ate a bunch of elbows, so many In fact I was getting worried for him, and that is why he never saw that roundhouse...

Now how this works as some sort of excuse for the loss of a guy formerly considered by many the #2 man is beyond me.

As for the familiarity with fighting in the cage bit...well this is pure speculation on your part no doubt influenced(consciously or not)
by damage control in the Mirko camp, and your own bias. I'm sure Mirko had access to facilities with a cage.
Even if he didn't, I don't think it would matter THAT much. Face it, fighting is not always done under ideal conditions, but at least they can say the conditions were the same for both men. This line is almost as pathetic as the people complaining Randy cheated because his head collided with Gonzaga's with the slam.
No wait...it's almost as bad as the people saying the ref stopped the Liddel/Rampage II fight too early. REALLY...
It's getting to the point that, any opponent of Fedor or Cro Cop would have to win by death blow, but even then there would be a few questioning it.
It's fighting; there are rules in place to protect people from serious injury, but you aren't going to have ideal situations. Let's not nitpick!
Gonzaga was the better man.

And get this! Gonzaga only had three UFC fights prior, and far less competitive fight experience, so it's not as if he was some kind of "cage general."
His experience was comparatively limited PERIOD, and I think he (along with Brock Lesner) has the potential to be huge. Adapting to the cage wasn't a problem for Ramage was it. CC, by his own admission didn't think it was a problem either.

So you should get a clue, or be CC's PR guy, take your pick!

I have no predictions for RC/FE yet...

The one time I sort of agree with you, you rant on about me being a CC apologist.  I, as many here know, am more biased toward BJJ fighters.  I thought Mirko didn't match up well, and when I saw them fight, it fell in line with my expectations. 

If you did your research, again, you would have found out that only recently has Mirko had a Throwdown cage installed in his training facilities.  Prior to this, he thought training in the ring was sufficient.  Again, not apologizing for Mirko's performance, he was thoroughly dominated. 

Being as how you tap purples I mean orange belts in BJJ, you might also know that closed guard with wrist location is great in a BJJ match, good for setting up triangles,  working sweeps, even setting up an armbar from full guard.  BUT when you let a 255 lb gorilla posture up and get distance to land short elbows, you are in for a long night.  He may have a good sprawl, but once on his back, he was out of his element.  I think his plan was to get a standup (which he did, prematurely, and unfairly)

Napao caused the nose breakage by grabbing the fence, and allowing his knees to slam into Randy's head to drive into his nose.  No apology there, and I called Randy winning in the late rounds.  I think you should stick to your low horse stances, cross body blocks and reverse punches.  You are probably a world beater on the point circuit, but not a very good analyst. 

[Fury]

hahaha, this moron just proved he knows absolutely nothing by thinking Rampage had to adapt to the cage. Newsflash bright spot, Page fought in the cage long before he was in Pride and was back in it before he went to the UFC. 

[Benny B]

hahaha, this moron just proved he knows absolutely nothing by thinking Rampage had to adapt to the cage. Newsflash bright spot, Page fought in the cage long before he was in Pride and was back in it before he went to the UFC. 

Nicky! 

[Logan32]

He's been handed all his big wins by the Japanese mob.They've probably been making millions betting on this un-athletic looking guy as he soared to the top. I mean let's be real for a second, I know everyone hugs Fedor's jock, but Dana said there was some shady stuff going on there. Rampage was quoted as saying PRIDE would protect Wanderlei. It's so obvious I'm suprised it hasn't been brought up. Fedor knows he will be exposed if he fights outside PRIDE. He's a fake.

I hope this is a bad attempt at trolling. I mean I am not saying Fedor is unbeatable but he definitely is not afraid of anyone in the UFC. I think the sudden souring of fans on Fedor has to be the strong arm tatcics he is using during his negotiations. I don't really blame the negotiation process lets face facts a fighters life is only so long you have to make as much money as you can while your able to. I just hope the negotiation dont go on too long...

[americanbulldog]

I hope this is a bad attempt at trolling. I mean I am not saying Fedor is unbeatable but he definitely is not afraid of anyone in the UFC. I think the sudden souring of fans on Fedor has to be the strong arm tatcics he is using during his negotiations. I don't really blame the negotiation process lets face facts a fighters life is only so long you have to make as much money as you can while your able to. I just hope the negotiation dont go on too long...

Whaaat?  You mean Zuffa has paid posters at various internet boards?  Say it aint so.   

[Fury]

Whaaat?  You mean Zuffa has paid posters at various internet boards?  Say it aint so.   

hahaha, I think they've got about 45,000 on the payroll at Sherdog. 

[Thin Lizzy]

If there was one fight that Fedor got handed to him was his fight with Arona. I've watched that fight a number of times, and still can't see how the judges gave it to Fedor.

[Lynch21]

I remember a couple of top UFC fighters went to Pride and got their ass's handed to them by Pride fighters.

[Petrucci]

If there was one fight that Fedor got handed to him was his fight with Arona. I've watched that fight a number of times, and still can't see how the judges gave it to Fedor.

i think Fedor won it, but it was close...you have to agree that if he could throw punches while on ground that fight would be a lot more easy to fedor....
 I think he was always more dominant on the fight (when he was attacking, he attacked better...when he wanted to defend himself, he always did it with some easy)

[Wanocki]

Oh brother.

ok you win cro cop looked like he was ready to fight by just standing there dodging punches for a whole two minutes and without throwing any punches of his own

[americanbulldog]

ok you win cro cop looked like he was ready to fight by just standing there dodging punches for a whole two minutes and without throwing any punches of his own

Why does everyone discount what Napao did TO MIRKO.  He pressed the action, secured the takedown, and gave him a good GNP.  The GNP is what left Mirko dazed before the head kick.  Mirko actually looked at the clock prior to getting KTFO. 

[Slapper]

I remember back in the late 80's the very same rhetoric was being used against Mike Tyson. And we all know that Mike was the real thing. Too bad he only had one game though. Imagine him channeling all that initial burst of energy into a 12-round effort? Evander and the rest of the people who beat him would've been KTFO in 3 rounds (as opposed to 1).

[realkarateblackbelt]

I remember back in the late 80's the very same rhetoric was being used against Mike Tyson. And we all know that Mike was the real thing. Too bad he only had one game though. Imagine him channeling all that initial burst of energy into a 12-round effort? Evander and the rest of the people who beat him would've been KTFO in 3 rounds (as opposed to 1).

Mike never fought any top talent during his meteoric rise to the top.
As soon as he did he was completely outclassed by guys that are just better boxers.
"Those guys were a bunch of tomato cans."

He's the Tank Abbott of boxing.

[realkarateblackbelt]

I think a big reason Mirko is looking bad is the drug testing they do in the UFC.
I wonder if Fedor may be watching Mirko's performance and feeling hesitant for that reason.
Personally, I think Randy might be on and they let him get away with it, but who knows?
Kongo an Rampage are black so they probably have naturally higher endogenous testosterone.
It's not unbelievable that they could be somewhat muscular and lean naturally.

[Slapper]

Mike never fought any top talent during his meteoric rise to the top.
As soon as he did he was completely outclassed by guys that are just better boxers.
"Those guys were a bunch of tomato cans."

He's the Tank Abbott of boxing.

And who were the "top talent" you are referring to?